Crimson Workflow is available for download.

[Kaku Ito]

Hi all,

I've been working with build16 clips with Crimson but pretty much working fine, but happy to hear for the update! Now that more jobs we have and we have to work quickly with footage, editing with proxies and use Crimson to conform and output only good takes with REDCINE makes most sense.

Ian, I reported 29.97 frame rate problem before, but with build16 clips, the roudtrip xml started working for some reasons. Crimson helped us finishing jobs for at least four major TV commercials.

By the way, I decided to sell of of my Panasonic P2 equipment if anyone interested.

[I Bloom]

Ian,

Where do you come up with the build names from?

Places I've been, things that have happened to me. Helps me remmember exactly what I was thinking about when I was working on something.

IBloom

[I Bloom]

I spoke too soon, a better expression is:

([A-Z][0-9]*)_(C[0-9]*)_([0-9]{4}[[A-Z]|[0-9]]{2})

becomes:

\1_\2_\3_001.R3D

Built-in manyana

Edit: I think it's ready today, in fact it's up now.

IBloom

[Chris Gearhart]

Fantastic, Ian! Thanks.

I see you have addressed issues of construct errors in Redcine. That's great--my last two xml loads had this problem.

A problem I am having, though (I downloaded 9.4)-- I cannot get Crimson to export my Redcine XML--unexpected error occurs. Is this unique to me?

-Chris

[I Bloom]

Fantastic, Ian! Thanks.

I see you have addressed issues of construct errors in Redcine. That's great--my last two xml loads had this problem.

A problem I am having, though (I downloaded 9.4)-- I cannot get Crimson to export my Redcine XML--unexpected error occurs. Is this unique to me?

-Chris

Well I'm not sure. I realize what Crimson really needs is deep brain surgery on it's XML engine. This is in the works but a big time consuming change. Do you want to send me the XML of your project?

IBloom

[Shawn Nelson]

Ian,
I'm doing another project tomorrow and want the DIT to make all the downres files for me so that doing the pre-crimson edit is smooth.

Before I was using your droplet to downres everything to 1k proxies, but I just went through and updated RedAlert and RedCine and noticed there is now RedRushes. What are you doing for your downres'ing? Using the 1k droplet or using RedRushes and making 720p or SD files?

[Chris Gearhart]

Well I'm not sure. I realize what Crimson really needs is deep brain surgery on it's XML engine. This is in the works but a big time consuming change. Do you want to send me the XML of your project?

IBloom

Thanks Ian! I actually reverted to the previous version and am manually editing the xml to include the full path name to the files.

Now that I am done with all my projects, I will upgrade to the newest versions of everything I have and start all over again. I'll let you know if it is still getting the error when I get all this set up.

-Chris

[I Bloom]

Ian,
I'm doing another project tomorrow and want the DIT to make all the downres files for me so that doing the pre-crimson edit is smooth.

Before I was using your droplet to downres everything to 1k proxies, but I just went through and updated RedAlert and RedCine and noticed there is now RedRushes. What are you doing for your downres'ing? Using the 1k droplet or using RedRushes and making 720p or SD files?

I still retime files in RedAlert and then drop the newly generated reference files into a 1K droplet. However, I don't see a problem using Redrushes with Crimson Sean, it seems like a good way to go.

IBloom

[Shawn Nelson]

I still retime files in RedAlert and then drop the newly generated reference files into a 1K droplet. However, I don't see a problem using Redrushes with Crimson Sean, it seems like a good way to go.

IBloom

Whoa, "retime", what does that mean?

I've just been taking the camera-generated _M.mov files and dropping them into the 1k droplet.

[I Bloom]

Whoa, "retime", what does that mean?

I've just been taking the camera-generated _M.mov files and dropping them into the 1k droplet.

If you load a file into redalert you can adjust the settings and most of the settings will be reflected in the new QuickTime reference files that you create. Doing this just means prettier proxies that look closer to what you want just while you are cutting. It's not neccessary since you will be returning to raw, it's just helpful for the director and editor, and also because screeners are often made straight off the cut.

IBloom

[I Bloom]

9.4A is up.

Thanks for the bug reports.

IBloom

[Rick Darge]

Thanks Ian!

I noticed two issues after install. When I try to add a location for my R3D search, I am not allowed to. Fortunately, it looks like you improved the way in which Crimson searches for files because if I just hit MATCH, it located what I need.

Second issue is when I go to Export a Redcine XML, I get an error message reading,

An unexpected error has occured

(TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -: 'NoneType' and 'NoneType')


I'll report more as I continue to dig

Thank You

[Rick Darge]

Solved the Redcine XML error message. I accidentally loaded more than 50 clips and that was causing it. Still can't figure out why I can't mount locations..

[I Bloom]

Sheesh, keeping me on my toes this morning Richard. I found both problems. Apologies:
9.4B is up!! http://www.crimsonworkflow.com/download.htm

Now can I get back to fun stuff?:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/582_1217858368.jpg


IBloom

[Jeremy Newmark]

Now can I get back to fun stuff?:

IBloom

Very nice!

[George Costakis]

I'm getting the same issue as Richard as well with the new release of 0.9.4B.


"Second issue is when I go to Export a Redcine XML, I get an error message reading,
An unexpected error has occured
(TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -: 'NoneType' and 'NoneType')"

My XML is smaller than 50 clips, and when I select "Use Complete Takes", it fills the "Render In" and "Render Out" with appropriate data. However, when I try and select "Use In Out Points", it doesn't change the values. Ideas?

[George Costakis]

Also, the "Render In" and "Out" values are defaulted to "None", when the XML is imported and "matched".

[I Bloom]

We've been dealing with this issue. 9.4C is being released this morning to attempt to resolve the problem. It has to do in part with the match status of all clips.

By the way, there is no 50 clip limit in Crimson, I'd like to put that myth to rest.

IBloom

[mDonaldson]

Been encountering a persistant bug when choosing a location for the Roundtrip XML. After browsing, locating a folder, choosing a name, and pressing SAVE, I receive this error:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/12339_1217957523.png

Bug has been present in the first and the current 0.9.4 releases.

mDonaldson

[I Bloom]

Been encountering a persistant bug when choosing a location for the Roundtrip XML. After browsing, locating a folder, choosing a name, and pressing SAVE, I receive this error:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/12339_1217957523.png

Bug has been present in the first and the current 0.9.4 releases.

mDonaldson

Pesky bugs come out of nowhere ;) Fix posted. Thanks.

IBloom

[Andrew Walker]

I have been getting this error trying to import an xml out of the newest Crimson along with the last one that was out. Also I was reading on the Crimson forum about how someone saved an xml out of RedCine and then opened it up with Crimson, which I haven't been able to do because Crimson tells me that there are now attributes.

[I Bloom]

Hmmm...

I'd prefer to get these reports on my forum. Can you post your roundtrip xml on http://www.crimsonworkflow.com/forum or email it to help at crimsonworkflow dot com.

Cheers,
Ian

[Andrew Walker]

I posted on the forum at Crimson and put the xml in the post.

[simplejack]

SORRY FOR POSTING THIS TWICE... I JUST REALIZED I SHOULD POST IT HERE RATHER THAN ON ITS OWN... an admin can delete my other post if desired...

Ok so... I'm following the Crimson Workflow... using cowboy intermediate... everything is going well, but when I export my clips to quicktime from Redcine it is exporting them as 1 clip... i don't want this... i want everything exported as separate clips... can this be done?

I've never dealt with dpx files and don't plan on doing it anytime soon...

this is a time-sensitive edit...

Thanks!

[Scott Mason]

In the output name of redcine you need to click input file names (the #F command) This will give you individual files.

[simplejack]

awesome... thanks scott...

[Kim]

Crimson, Ian has good help, good support. The Crimson's XML works perfectly in RedCine as I wished.

Hope you have many more customers

Kim

[francois]

I just watch your video demo, and its looks great!!! Does that mean that I can use this procedure to export my film DPX for the final print?
Francois

[Gunleik Groven]

More common would be to export it for colorcorrection...

[I Bloom]

Francois,

Redcine is not a very good program for color correction because it has no video scopes or support for an external monitor, and it only does primary color correction. Most people use Redcine to do an initial pass, and then take the files they export into another finishing program such as Apple Color.

Making a film print takes an extra level of calibration, most would use an experienced colorist at a facility that does alot of film transfers.

The purpose of Crimson is to move sequences through Redline or Redcine, making it possible to debayer after an initial cut.

Warm regards,
IBloom

[Kjetil Haugen]

"Add extra frame for FCP" option. Could you explain this function? Why we need it?

[I Bloom]

"Add extra frame for FCP" option. Could you explain this function? Why we need it?

It has to do with the way final cut reads the in and out points off the roundtrip XML, it wants an extra frame of padding on the source file, without it, it will drop a frame that you want off the end. I'm going to try to revisit this problem around build 0.9.6 and see if we can't simplify this, but for now, in most workflows it's useful to have that extra frame handle and not a problem since the next system is performing the actual conform, that's why the checkbox is set by default. For a very few workflows it's useful to leave it out by unchecking the option.

You can control exactly how many frames you have on each clip by setting the start and end frame handle options which can also be negative numbers such as Endframes = -1.

[peter Walsh]

Hi Ibloom,

i've tried crimson with redcine but when i try and load the telecine xml it says error is this because it is the trail version?

thanks

peter

[Gunleik Groven]

too many clips?

[I Bloom]

Hi Ibloom,

i've tried crimson with redcine but when i try and load the telecine xml it says error is this because it is the trail version?

thanks

peter

Peter,

Read this explanation and instructions:
http://www.redhax.net/wiki/Crimson_Workflow#Troubleshooting_Cowboy_Intermedia tes

IBloom

[mattiasvdm]

It has to do with the way final cut reads the in and out points off the roundtrip XML, it wants an extra frame of padding on the source file, without it, it will drop a frame that you want off the end. I'm going to try to revisit this problem around build 0.9.6 and see if we can't simplify this, but for now, in most workflows it's useful to have that extra frame handle and not a problem since the next system is performing the actual conform, that's why the checkbox is set by default. For a very few workflows it's useful to leave it out by unchecking the option.

You can control exactly how many frames you have on each clip by setting the start and end frame handle options which can also be negative numbers such as Endframes = -1.

I tried to uncheck the option "Add Extra Frame for FCP" but when I hit "Export Redcine XML" it automatically checks the option, so I can't uncheck it in any way...

Anyone?

[I Bloom]

I tried to uncheck the option "Add Extra Frame for FCP" but when I hit "Export Redcine XML" it automatically checks the option, so I can't uncheck it in any way...

Anyone?

Hmmm...
Well temporarily you can turn on handles and set End Frames to -1

Ian

[mattiasvdm]

Hmmm...
Well temporarily you can turn on handles and set End Frames to -1

Ian

Jep,

That works fine! I just think it's strange. I'm working with Crimson on three different computers and they all have the same issue.

[Ed Watkins]

Ian,

What is the status of Crimson in light of the native FCP support and upcoming Abobe native support? Will you continue to develop Crimson?

Thanks.

[Chris Parker]

i think he has a big update coming out soon. Crimson Christmas rings a bell, and that time is nigh...

[I Bloom]

Ian,

What is the status of Crimson in light of the native FCP support and upcoming Abobe native support? Will you continue to develop Crimson?

Thanks.

Ed,

I'm looking forward to the Adobe workflow. I think I will use it myself.

I think I can improve on the current Apple workflow in several key ways.

If Crimson seems to have slown down it's because I made a massive fundamental change to its infrastructure that are taking a long time to implement. Once I do you will start to see more rapid updates again.

Ian

[Ed Watkins]

Great, Thanks Ian.
I was just wondering.

Ed.

[Sidney L. Plaut]

whoa slow down - apple workflow is way to unstable to drop crimson!:)

[I Bloom]

Development slow down I mean.

Ian

[J Davis]

I'm looking forward to the Adobe workflow. I think I will use it myself.


Hi Ian, thats interesting.
I too am in the process of switching to pPro

[I Bloom]

Hi Ian, thats interesting.
I too am in the process of switching to pPro

Adobe Workflow doesn't mean premiere. Sorry. I actually want to cut on Avid.

IBloom

[Jason Diamond]

nice.
hows the AVID stuff coming? give me a ring if you need anything AVID side...

[Scott Roberts]

Any word on the release date of the Plugin for Premiere?

[Viggenboy]

Ian,

A word of thanks from the freshly converted. Workflow was flawless our first time out conforming a series of spots.

I'm very interested in being able to cut Finalcut out of required steps for our Avid workflow. Crossing fingers for Avid XML support under the tree this year? If not, should I be looking at Automatic Duck to make the jump from Avid to FinalCut easier?

Thanks for your coding chops.

[Jonathan Howard]

Hi Ian,
I'm wrapping offline editorial on a feature shot on RED. I inherited the project from another editor, who had done an assembly using 1K proxies. As we approach finishing and delivery, what do you recommend as an optimal workflow for going from my offline FCP sequence with its 1K proxies to a full res 1080p24 sequence and EDL ready for a DaVinci session? I'd ask the coloring facility themselves, but none has been hired yet.

This is my first time cutting RED footage, so I apologize if this question is beneath your pay grade : )

=jon h.

[I Bloom]

Hi Ian,
I'm wrapping offline editorial on a feature shot on RED. I inherited the project from another editor, who had done an assembly using 1K proxies. As we approach finishing and delivery, what do you recommend as an optimal workflow for going from my offline FCP sequence with its 1K proxies to a full res 1080p24 sequence and EDL ready for a DaVinci session? I'd ask the coloring facility themselves, but none has been hired yet.

This is my first time cutting RED footage, so I apologize if this question is beneath your pay grade : )

=jon h.

Heh, I have no idea what my pay grade is...

I'd suggest exporting DPX files using the Frame, Color and Redline Tabs in Crimson. Each DPX file has a frame of timecode in the header that can be conformed from another EDL you generate directly from Final Cut.
I'd talk to the post house about exactly what structure they need the DPX files to be in. I can probably help you with that.

IBloom

[Tim Whitcomb]

Happy New Year! As a new member, these threads have been amazing to read as the progression of Crimson has been extremely fast. If Only Apple could move this quickly.

Look forward to what is in store for 2009.

[I Bloom]

Look forward to what is in store for 2009.
Me too.

[Ido Karilla]

Hi Ian, dont you want to follow the tradition and tease us a bit.

First feature film conformed successfuly with Crimson, I know what I want more but I bet you know better.

Thanks.

[I Bloom]

Hi Ian, dont you want to follow the tradition and tease us a bit.

First feature film conformed successfuly with Crimson, I know what I want more but I bet you know better.

Thanks.

Sorry man, I don't understand that last sentence.

IBloom

[Ido Karilla]

Sorry man, I don't understand that last sentence.

IBloom

Sorry for not being clear, I was just admiring your work.

[DAVID BARKAN]

hey,
does 0.9.4S work with REDCINE 3.18?

I can't seem to open the Telecine XML generated in this version.

Cheers,

[I Bloom]

hey,
does 0.9.4S work with REDCINE 3.18?

I can't seem to open the Telecine XML generated in this version.

Cheers,

Hi Barkan,
No it doesn't....
but 0.9.45R "Rip Tide" does, download it here.
http://www.crimsonworkflow.com/download.htm
Note: Riptide is not downward compatible with old versions of Redcine so don't install it until you upgrade both.

IBloom

[Chris Parker]

ian. any news to report on the BIG release that mark was talking about a few months back??

[I Bloom]

ian. any news to report on the BIG release that mark was talking about a few months back??

still big. Still chewing.

All I can say is thank god for Norway and Finland. Some smart kids over there.

Some technical difficulties coming in on this Rip tide release... updating it now.

IBloom

[Chris Parker]

keep on truckin' brother.....the world is waiting for 1.0

[Shawn Nelson]

Ian, is it possible to use Crimson in such a way that I could...
-Make 1k standalone proxies, edit away
-Use Crimson to conform to FCP 'wrapped' R3Ds so that I can send to Color and get the full Red room inside of Color?

I absolutely need that Red room in color and am trying my first non-Crimson workflow via the L&T and it sucks, too slow and dodgey, I miss my old Crimson workflow

[I Bloom]

Ian, is it possible to use Crimson in such a way that I could...
-Make 1k standalone proxies, edit away
-Use Crimson to conform to FCP 'wrapped' R3Ds so that I can send to Color and get the full Red room inside of Color?

I absolutely need that Red room in color and am trying my first non-Crimson workflow via the L&T and it sucks, too slow and dodgey, I miss my old Crimson workflow
Yes I've had that idea for a while. I don't know of a way to do it right at this moment.

Seems like the Red room is still problematic. I myself have been converting everything to DPX in Crimson/Redline and opening it in color via an EDL straight from FCP. That is how I finished a project that went out to festivals last month. Worked wonderfully, though only 10bit I know.

IBloom

[Shawn Nelson]

Yes I've had that idea for a while. I don't know of a way to do it right at this moment.

IBloom

Dang! I saw 'yes' and got excited.

Because I've got to do the FCP->Color->FCP workflow, the Red room is just a necessity.

[Nick Shaw]

Ian, is it possible to use Crimson in such a way that I could...
-Make 1k standalone proxies, edit away
-Use Crimson to conform to FCP 'wrapped' R3Ds so that I can send to Color and get the full Red room inside of Color?

Sorry to hijack a Crimson thread to talk about another app, but you can basically achieve this with Clipfinder and Colorfixer from Hans Daun.

It uses proxies, not L&T, so you don't need extra drive space. My manual workflow is described here (http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26474), and Hans Daun's automated version of my hack here (http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26774).

Ian, I hope you don't mind me linking to this here. I think Crimson and Clipfinder are both useful tools, and I use both.

[I Bloom]

Not a problem Nick.

[Ross Birkbeck]

I myself have been converting everything to DPX in Crimson/Redline and opening it in color via an EDL straight from FCP. That is how I finished a project that went out to festivals last month. Worked wonderfully, though only 10bit I know.

IBloom

Ian,

This is exactly what I am trying to do for my latest project, but am having a lot of trouble with the getting the DPX's linked up in color.

I can get the sequence fine, but cannot make an EDL from FCP that Color likes - Could you run me through the process?

Thanks,

Ross

(I have Gluetools)

[I Bloom]

Ian,

This is exactly what I am trying to do for my latest project, but am having a lot of trouble with the getting the DPX's linked up in color.

I can get the sequence fine, but cannot make an EDL from FCP that Color likes - Could you run me through the process?

Thanks,

Ross

(I have Gluetools)

Give me a little more detail on your workflow, framerates etc.

IBloom

[Ross Birkbeck]

I shot 4K 2:1 at 24fps.

Use RedRushes to go to 720p Prores and edit.

Export XML to Crimson and Render to 2k REDLog DPX's.

Create XML to take back into Final Cut - Here I have a lot of problems linking up the DPX image sequences with the Final cut sequence (I'm new to Gluetools), and have only manages to do so by manually creating quicktime references with filenames to match the Crimson roundtrip EDL and manually relinking them. Add Effects/Comping etc.

Then Export an EDL for Color - But here I cannot get Color to relink to the DPX's..??

Any help Very much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ross

[I Bloom]

I shot 4K 2:1 at 24fps.

Use RedRushes to go to 720p Prores and edit.

Export XML to Crimson and Render to 2k REDLog DPX's.

Create XML to take back into Final Cut - Here I have a lot of problems linking up the DPX image sequences with the Final cut sequence (I'm new to Gluetools), and have only manages to do so by manually creating quicktime references with filenames to match the Crimson roundtrip EDL and manually relinking them. Add Effects/Comping etc.

Then Export an EDL for Color - But here I cannot get Color to relink to the DPX's..??

Any help Very much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ross

Once you render out your DPX files there is no need to return to Final Cut with your DPX files. Take an EDL directly from FCP to Color and use it to conform the DPX files in Color.

Let me know how it goes.

IBloom

[Ross Birkbeck]

Ok - I'll try that.

Is it possible to go back into FCP before color? I'm a big fan of the FCP/Shake combo for compositing and adding other effects, and would like to be able to utilize that with DPX's...

Thanks,

Ross

[I Bloom]

Ok - I'll try that.

Is it possible to go back into FCP before color? I'm a big fan of the FCP/Shake combo for compositing and adding other effects, and would like to be able to utilize that with DPX's...

Thanks,

Ross

The issue is getting the right timecode through Shake, GlueTools, etc. It's something we are working on tackling in our new software. But the original Crimson wasn't built for that really. In general when working with DPX files I'm finding EDL workflows are extremely helpful as long as you can preserve the timecode in the DPX headers.

IBloom

[Meddy MOST]

I was trying the Demo and I experienced a problem
as soon as I try to match xml with r3d in Match section of the software I get an "unexpected error has occurred" (UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u' u0301' in position 67: ordinal not in range (128) )

after that the match button work all the video and xml are matched then when I go to redcine and click on export Redcine XML I have this same error and nothing happens anymore the software stop

Thank you for your support

[Meddy MOST]

ok I found something really strange which could help you
I fixed the problem by renaming the Default name "Sequence 1" XML into something else and after that it worked !
Now Crimson does not show this error ...
HOWEVER ...
I got the same kind of error when I tried to generate roundtrip XML I got this error
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u' xe9' in position 1: ordinal not in range (128) )

need help for this, I wanted to know if it can be fixed, I'm really interested by your software but I'm stucked with the demo version for now ...
cheers

Here is more info for you (here is the traceback from the console) this traceback is written as soon as I click on generate Roundtrip XML
02/05/09 13:33:46 [0x0-0x125125].com.Crimson.Workflow[1873] File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/PyObjCTools/AppHelper.py", line 237,
in runEventLoop

02/05/09 13:33:46 [0x0-0x125125].com.Crimson.Workflow[1873] File "/Users/ian_m_bloom/Documents/Crimson 0.9.4.5/Crimson/build/Release/Crimson.app/Contents/Resources/CrimsonAppDelegate.py", line 841, in roundtrip_

02/05/09 13:33:46 [0x0-0x125125].com.Crimson.Workflow[1873] File "/Users/ian_m_bloom/Documents/Crimson 0.9.4.5/Crimson/build/Release/Crimson.app/Contents/Resources/CrimsonProject.py", line 2196, in export

02/05/09 13:33:46 [0x0-0x125125].com.Crimson.Workflow[1873] File "/Users/ian_m_bloom/Documents/Crimson 0.9.4.5/Crimson/build/Release/Crimson.app/Contents/Resources/CrimsonProject.py", line 2151, in affectElement

02/05/09 13:33:46 [0x0-0x125125].com.Crimson.Workflow[1873] File "/Users/ian_m_bloom/Documents/Crimson 0.9.4.5/Crimson/build/Release/Crimson.app/Contents/Resources/CrimsonProject.py", line 308, in setOneAttribute

02/05/09 13:33:46 [0x0-0x125125].com.Crimson.Workflow[1873] UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)

[Meddy MOST]

any idea ?

[I Bloom]

Are their some odd characters in the names of your clips?

IBloom

[Meddy MOST]

not at all ...
stock name and normal character

[I Bloom]

Hmmm...

Gonna need to email me at h e l p @ c r i m s o n w o r k f l o w . c o m

[Dmitriy]

I recently getting troubles working this Crimson.
I have OSX 10.5.7 Leo, Final Cut 6.0.5 and Crimson 9.45 Rip Tide, QuickTime 7.6 (472), Red Alert 3.6.0

My work flow is to get R3D files converted to DPX to grade them in Lustre.
Every time a try to render with Crimson I got a folder full of DPX files, but ALL of them are the very first frame of R3D file.
Same thin is rendering to MOv, complete length movie and each frame is the same - the very first.
I tried different color settings, size settings, outputting to different HDD, every time I get the same issue.
I DON'T have to problems rendering with REDALERT, and ClipFinder, but bought Crimson gives me a headache

Is this kinda bug for 10.5.7?

Please, help

[Loyd Bateman]

Hey Ibloom, I just downloaded your 0.9.4 update and it won't open, is there something I'm missing??

[Kyle Stauffer]

Is Crimson still being supported? Seems the last I heard is the Snow Leopard issue was being worked on, and that was back in September. I'm also getting 'critical errors' when trying to roundtrip now, eventhough everything is set correctly.

[I Bloom]

Is Crimson still being supported? Seems the last I heard is the Snow Leopard issue was being worked on, and that was back in September. I'm also getting 'critical errors' when trying to roundtrip now, eventhough everything is set correctly.

I'm upgrading the new build "Belgrade" tonight. Just wanted to wait until some users had time to actually test it.

Ian

[Loyd Bateman]

I'll gladly test it!!

[I Bloom]

Belgrade is up there now.

Please be clear in understanding I work on Crimson perhaps 12 hours a day. The best way to get your problems solved is to email me.

Cheers,
Ian

[Loyd Bateman]

awesome thanks, downloading it now.

[Carl Dieker]

Belgrade is up there now.

Please be clear in understanding I work on Crimson perhaps 12 hours a day. The best way to get your problems solved is to email me.

Cheers,
Ian


Hey Ian,

I am one of your early customers and supporters. If you are able to share anything on what you are specificly working on please do. Just curious.

Best wishes,

Calle

[I Bloom]

Carl,

It's cool. It's not what you are expecting. But I don't want to talk it up until I'm sure about delivery ;)

Ian

[Ido Karilla]

Waiting "patiently" as well.

[brandon thomas]

is there a way to use Crimson with RedCine-X?

[Brandon Kraemer]

Ian,

I posted this on the thread "Newer Redcine-X is posted" but received no response from the Red Team. Maybe you're the best person to ask this of.

It appears that importing intermediate alias files is not compatible with Redcine-X... which means that using Crimson Workflow to facilitate transcoding cutdown selects is disabled. This is a setback for our workflow. Is there forthcoming support for this?

[arapro]

Hey Ian,
Is 0.9.45R Rip Tide still current, I have got a TVC coming up shooting on the red, and I am not using any snow leopard machines (there seems to be an issue with it and my video cards, so I will not update anytime soon)

[Dave Beard]

is there a way to use Crimson with RedCine-X?

I 2nd this question. The lack of XML support is really bothering me. I love redcine, but I'm forced to use redcine-x because of upgrading to the MX sensor. I'm really hoping someone comes up with a solution for this.

[Brandon Kraemer]

Ian,

I posted this on the thread "Newer Redcine-X is posted" but received no response from the Red Team. Maybe you're the best person to ask this of.

It appears that importing intermediate alias files is not compatible with Redcine-X... which means that using Crimson Workflow to facilitate transcoding cutdown selects is disabled. This is a setback for our workflow. Is there forthcoming support for this?

bump... Ian is this possible, to load intermediate clips in Redcine-X?

Will there be a patch to support this?

[I Bloom]

bump... Ian is this possible, to load intermediate clips in Redcine-X?

Will there be a patch to support this?

Well,

What I call a "cowboy-intermediate" is really a symbolic link on your filesystem. Many programs see symbolic links transparently, as though they are the original file, but the last time I checked Redcine-X is not one. So the answer is no... but on the upside, if there is eventually XML support in Redcine-X and it simply loads clips in the order specified by the XML, and allows multiple references to the same clip then... the whole reason for inventing the cowboys in the first place is eliminated. I will support that either by modifying the original Crimson or via my new software, depending on which is more practical when the time comes.

Until then your guess is as good as mine.

Cheers,
IBloom

[Dave Beard]

What new software are you talking about?

[Brandon Kraemer]

Well,

What I call a "cowboy-intermediate" is really a symbolic link on your filesystem. Many programs see symbolic links transparently, as though they are the original file, but the last time I checked Redcine-X is not one. So the answer is no... but on the upside, if there is eventually XML support in Redcine-X and it simply loads clips in the order specified by the XML, and allows multiple references to the same clip then... the whole reason for inventing the cowboys in the first place is eliminated. I will support that either by modifying the original Crimson or via my new software, depending on which is more practical when the time comes.

Until then your guess is as good as mine.

Cheers,
IBloom

Thanks for the explanation Ian,

Cheers!

bk

[I Bloom]

Dave,

I can't really answer your question directly but my guess is that once Redcine-X progresses further you won't need a third party like Crimson to do a complete workflow... this was an assumption I made almost two years ago when I started this new project.

IBloom

[Sidney L. Plaut]

well Red told me xml import/export is for 3rd party to develop?

[I Bloom]

well Red told me xml import/export is for 3rd party to develop?
Understood, and as I said when the time comes we'll support whatever method is available.

IBloom

[Brandon Kraemer]

well Red told me xml import/export is for 3rd party to develop?

At Red Day, there was a development build of Redcine-X that supported an EDL import, and they say it's forthcoming. No time given as to when.

Seems like something was changed from Redcine to Redcine-X to not permit referring files like the "cowboy intermediates" and that this would be an easy enough thing to change back?

[I Bloom]

At Red Day, there was a development build of Redcine-X that supported an EDL import, and they say it's forthcoming. No time given as to when.

Seems like something was changed from Redcine to Redcine-X to not permit referring files like the "cowboy intermediates" and that this would be an easy enough thing to change back?

There are plenty of good reasons not to see symbolic links transparently when traversing a file structure... In a program that automatically searches a drive for R3D files as Redcine-X does it seems like the right choice, in fact Crimson doesn't see symbolic links transparently either ;). With something so low level as filesystem access it's a good idea not to mess around.

I think you just need to give them some time. Redcine-X doesn't appear to be a rewrite of Redcine, but a brand new program written from scratch. Or not from scratch as the case may be. That's quite a feat for such a small period of time.

IBloom

[Shawn Nelson]

Hey Ian, whatever happened you that entirely brand new program of yours that Mark was raving about like a year ago?

btw, still love Crimson, if you get into the code you should add a Prores4444 option.

[I Bloom]

Still working on it.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

what about crimson and rcx conforming? anythinh in the works...

[I Bloom]

what about crimson and rcx conforming? anythinh in the works...
Yes

[Tim Lüdin]

Yes

Oh Bloom you make my day.
A Crimson RED Ciné X would be killer.
It is still funny that you are the only one that got it right right from the beginning almost 1.5 years ago.

Keep on rocking.
Thanks

Tim

[Luis Otero]

Yes


Any projected timeline? :confused5: