NLE realtime monitoring at NAB

[david farland]

Deanan has stated the camera will do real-time playback of RED footage.

I’m hoping that real time playback of NLE rendered timeline is an option we'll see at NAB.
This would be via usb to camera and out to HD-SDI(2K) & HDMI/DVI (1080p) ports for offline/online timeline monitoring/cc solutions.

RED is not like Sony who cripple features to protect other product lines.
Yes, RED may not pursue certain technical directions to maintain overall brand & accessory quality and yes make a buck!
However, if we thread a few of these known/hunches together we get this as a possibility:

Such as:

Disk/flash drives can be played back on camera.
All (compressed)outputs are hot for monitor & hopefully playback too.

Camera can be controlled by USB port (and wi-fi).
RED application with API will be available to control camera via USB port.
API may be available on ‘name’ NLE to control camera and edit REDCODE natively.
Hopefully offline NLE (with Redcine/RPL API) will write back ‘edited master’ to any REDDRIVE for playback as disk/flash drives can be may mounted as drive at OS level.

Even better is REDDRIVE not required at all as NLE plays back via USB.
USB port can handle 27MB/s, camera can (hopefully) do realtime decode of this data, so cross our fingers for a NLE realtime playback of rendered code at NAB.

Cheers,
DF

[Jannard]

As we have stated several times... not all features of the camera will be enabled with the 1st cameras at the time of NAB. The important ones will be. All features should be enabled within a couple of months after 1st shipment. Reservation holders have a choice to take them and upgrade the software/firmware (free, of course) or to wait until all are enabled.

Exactly how many features will be missing at NAB is not known yet. We are obviously trying to get as many done as we can so we look as good as possible sitting there next to the Apple booth. That is a really bad location to look stupid. :-)

Jim

[Chris Kenny]

David, if I'm understanding correctly, you'd like to be able to play footage right from your NLE through USB to the camera and out over HD-SDI (similar to what, say, an HVX can do with FireWire and component), and also to write out edited sequences to Red magazines and play them back through the camera?

I'd consider it fairly unlikely for these features to be implemented, and I'm not really sure why they'd be necessary. Modern monitoring equipment mostly has HDMI or DVI ports, which makes playback right from your computer much simpler than going out through the camera. And the whole notion of writing your edited sequence back out to the capture medium makes sense with tape, but doesn't really seem to have a good use case in a file-based workflow. In what situation would delivering or archiving your edited sequence on a Red Drive make more sense than just having it on a normal hard drive or on data tape?

[Joel Kaye]

That is a really bad location to look stupid. :-)

It's a great location to look great though. I'm assuming AVID and probably Adobe will be nearby. What a madhouse that'll be.

Maybe if I don't take a shower the RED SEA will part.

[david farland]

Jim, that's a really bad hint....!

If you're ever feeling like you're not looking very good, just wander over to the sony stall.

thanks,

[tj williams]

Joelnet start now or you won"t be nearly (redy) to part the sea.

Jim does this mean camera playback of the recorded footage on flash cards or red drive won't be ready to play back by NAB?

[Zach Hilton]

David, if I'm understanding correctly, you'd like to be able to play footage right from your NLE through USB to the camera and out over HD-SDI (similar to what, say, an HVX can do with FireWire and component), and also to write out edited sequences to Red magazines and play them back through the camera?

I'd consider it fairly unlikely for these features to be implemented, and I'm not really sure why they'd be necessary. Modern monitoring equipment mostly has HDMI or DVI ports, which makes playback right from your computer much simpler than going out through the camera. And the whole notion of writing your edited sequence back out to the capture medium makes sense with tape, but doesn't really seem to have a good use case in a file-based workflow. In what situation would delivering or archiving your edited sequence on a Red Drive make more sense than just having it on a normal hard drive or on data tape?

I would have to agree. There doesn't seem to be (at least not that I can see) a real reason to go back to your medium when potentially other hardware devices will be able to do it for you. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but I've always had an issue with using my recording hardware (camera) as a deck. I try to minimize the wear and tear on all of those devices as much as possible. Whether that actually helps in the long run or that I'm just being paranoid I don't know. But I've never had a camera go bad on me yet.

[david farland]

Chris,
Think no kona, bm or quadro cards required for timeline viewing of 2K footage in nle. Wear & tear of tape drive...no!

DF

[Zach Hilton]

Chris,
Think no kona, bm or quadro cards required for timeline viewing of 2K footage in nle. Wear & tear of tape drive...no!

DF

That's fine about there not being any wear and tear...if you think so. But a kona card or quadro seems like a small price to pay to be able to have your edit bay set up at all time to edit and playback 2k footage. I would much rather have my camera available then to have it stuck in the studio so that the editor can view stuff in 2k...but that's just me...unless I misunderstood you completely.

[Chris Kenny]

Chris,
Think no kona, bm or quadro cards required for timeline viewing of 2K footage in nle.


I suppose, if your monitoring equipment only has HD-SDI inputs (no DVI or HDMI). I don't think Red should worry about trying to implement this too much, though. Most new monitoring equipment does have computer-friendly inputs, and this feature would probably be a fair amount of work.

[david farland]

I'm talking about native as it gets, no intermediate anything, online cc'ing etc thru a great pixel mapping GPU,
the RED camera encode/decoder which'll take load off my CPU,
where I can load LUT's, blah blah....and of course will drive my 1080p hdmi/dvi monitors.

Just hoping......