lcd/accessories price

[Ruairi Robinson]

Hey - just a quick question - I may have become confused

When I first checked the prices I could have sworn the dvf/Lcd prices both included extension cables (and the adjustable arm...), but now they are separate... could someone please clarify this for me? Has it changed?

Yours cheaply,
Ruairi Robinson

[Gunleik Groven]

We all suffer from the same misconception...
Guess Jim will clearify as to what happened.

Gunleik

[Larry McKee]

I think they used to be included with the LCD. The Power Pack got cheaper.

[Charles Perkins]

I am wondering the same thing. it's annoying if they say the price is cheaper on one item, but do not announce a price increase on something else.

[Adam C Lubkin]

Hey - just a quick question - I may have become confused

When I first checked the prices I could have sworn the dvf/Lcd prices both included extension cables (and the adjustable arm...), but now they are separate... could someone please clarify this for me? Has it changed?

Yours cheaply,
Ruairi Robinson

You're correct, Ruairi. The price list originally listed the arm and 3' and 10' cables as included in the price.

[Paris Remillard]

I asked the same question yesterday in the "Pricing Mistake..." thread. Stuart from RED said:

"The LCD (just like the EVF) does come with an integrated digital signal, power and control interface cable, just not the 3 ft or 10 ft length cables which are options. You do not have to pay extra to use the LCD (or the EVF) with the camera."

Now it looks like they've changed the pricelist to say that it comes with a cable, but the adjustable arm has been removed. Not sure if this if a mistake or now the Arm costs extra as well.

[MikeCurtis]

parisrem - yeah, I'm bummed by that as well.

[Adrian T.]

This is getting quite annoying! Do they change the pricelist on a daily basis?

This is extremely unprofessional. I'm disappointed, to say the least. :angry03:

[Mike the beginner]

parisrem - yeah, I'm bummed by that as well.

This is giving some people more fuel for amunition. Surely the arm comes with the LCD. It comes with the EVF so why not with the LCD?

If it is NOW extra i feel red will have shot themselves in the foot....or arm

Mike the beginner

[Gunleik Groven]

Actually both the cables (3ft & 10 ft) + the arm are taken out of the LCD offer.

That adds 675$ to the price of the package.
At least if you need to put the LCD on a jib, steadycam or the like.

Gunleik

[Adrian T.]

With some foresight I have archived all price list versions. :wink:
This is the history of the LCD Screen:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1641/pricehistoryyv5.gif

[Charles Perkins]

so RED team, whats going on?

[Gunleik Groven]

What's going on is that they probably announced their prices too early.

Bad as it is (because this is not good) noone actually have been able to buy the equipment at either of the various pricepoints, so they haven't cheated anyone. Anyone - myself included - are free to adjust their prices @ anytime.

This is not a very clever move, but nothing we can do much about.

Just my 2c.

G

[Dominic Jones]

I am wondering the same thing. it's annoying if they say the price is cheaper on one item, but do not announce a price increase on something else.
That is exactly what has annoyed me. If the prices are rising on an item and they can no longer afford to offer the same price on it, I can understand that - costs grow, as we all know.

What I am not happy with is the announcement of a price decrease and the complete radio silence (across two threads now) on a much larger price increase. It smacks slightly of marketing spin to me, which at this point would be a huge shame as up until this point I have been completely won over by the open, honest approach of the whole Red project.

I really hope that we don't get let down - philosophically speaking - at the last hurdle...

As far as I'm concerned this is not an issue of cost - I'll buy the camera either way, as I'm sure everyone who was going to will, and it's still an incredible bargain - it's a point of principle: If you're going to announce a price decrease, you should equally be honest and announce any price increases.

That's the way it is in my world, at any rate.

[Gunleik Groven]

Amen.

Lets get back to funding, though -;)

Gunleik

[Adrian T.]

Very well said, Dominic!

The LCD would be a bargain for $1700 even without any accessories at all, that's for sure. But silently changing the price list without any notification on this board is really uncool.

[Jannard]

Maybe we made a mistake by trying to force prices out before NAB. We have 14 people working their asses off trying to get everything done.

So... if you are disappointed, we are sorry.

As for what "was" last year, please remember the BIG, BOLD LETTERS, "things will change, count on it." We have been very open in our process, always with the caveat that things will change... specs, prices, everything. And they have. We have lived up to our word.

Now if you are irritated about how we are doing, just send your "R" back and get 110% back on your deposit. You can always jump back in when things have settled down. But please stop complaining about things changing. That is the one thing we promised from the beginning.

BTW, the camera is ten times what we talked about a year ago. Look again at the specs. The best you could do on a budget was 2k RGB. That is now 4K REDCODE RAW.

Sorry for my irritation, but if we are causing you frustration, the best solution is for us to go dark until NAB.

One last thought... we aren't done changing prices. At the end, probably to your advantage.

Jim

[Gunleik Groven]

And again:

Amen + let's get back to work -;)

Cheers!

Gunleik

[Dominic Jones]

Hi Jim,

Maybe you did make a mistake and force your prices out too early - but I have absolutely no problem with that. If you find your costs are growing and things need to be higher in price than you would have liked, as I stated in my previous post, it neither surprises nor upsets me.

As I also stated, I've no problem with the current pricing - it's still fantastic.

What I do still find a slight affront, and what I have still had no reasonable response to, is why the price decreases have been announced and not the increases. I can appreciate you feeling annoyed that you have copped some flak (any at all, in fact) after the immense amount of risk and effort you have clearly put into this project, but hopefully you can appreciate my annoyance at not being kept informed of all changes, regardless of whether they are positive or negative...

As you yourself said - we are all well aware that changes will happen. Please just do us the honor of being honest and open and keeping us abreast of such changes - that's all I ask.

I hope that's not too much to ask, and I equally and sincerely hope that you will not take this as an attack upon yourself or your team - rather, it is a real request that I think many here would share. If that is not the case, then please (other members of this board) feel free to tell me so. Also, be sure that if you treat me with respect you will have my respect and loyalty for all time....

All the best Jim,
Dom.

[Adrian T.]

So... if you are disappointed, we are sorry.

Apology accepted. Peace! :innocent:


we aren't done changing prices.

Maybe you should put up a "prices and specifications are subject to change" right on the price list page. My 5 cents... :wink:

[Jannard]

I didn't personally realize that the mistake was made and that it took two corrections to get it right until today. Our web guy lives in Shanghai. No excuses, it got past me. I accept responsibility. To stop this from happening again, we will go dark until NAB for any further changes. I expect at the end a more favorable situation for reservation holders, but we'll all just have to wait and see until then. Prices will be locked at that time... until we decide to change them again.

Jim

[Dominic Jones]

No problem Jim - and please don't feel that you need to be on top of everything. Perhaps now it is my place to apologise, I realise that under the amount of strain you are currently experiencing it is not possible to keep all the balls in the air all of the time - if any of them are going to drop, this one is probably the best bet!!!

Hopefully you can understand how it appeared to me, so lets bury the hatchet on this one and both have a good day!....

Once again, all the best mate...
Dom.

[Adrian T.]

I didn't personally realize that the mistake was made and that it took two corrections to get it right until today. Our web guy lives in Shanghai. No excuses, it got past me. I accept responsibility. To stop this from happening again, we will go dark until NAB for any further changes. I expect at the end a more favorable situation for reservation holders, but we'll all just have to wait and see until then. Prices will be locked at that time... until we decide to change them again.

Jim

Fair enough.

Thank you Jim and the whole RED team to make the impossible possible.

[tj williams]

Clearly any specifications and prices prior to NAB and maybe even at NAB are somewhat speculative. These are not delivered parts sitting on a shelf, they are in the process of designing and manufacturing the first run of parts.

What irritates me is that on every thread there are a jillion terrific fans "Jim can do no wrong" "JIm is my hero" etc. then when a speculative price changes by a slight amount this major offended thing. Where is it written that every thing must be revealed to you? This process has been so much more open than any other camera manufacturer that I can't believe all the carping since the price announcements. The prices on everything so far have been more than fair. There now I sound like a fanboy...

[Dominic Jones]

Fair enough.
Lol!! Yeah, I could have probably just said that, in hindsight!

[Ruairi Robinson]

Maybe we made a mistake by trying to force prices out before NAB. We have 14 people working their asses off trying to get everything done.

So... if you are disappointed, we are sorry.

As for what "was" last year, please remember the BIG, BOLD LETTERS, "things will change, count on it." We have been very open in our process, always with the caveat that things will change... specs, prices, everything. And they have. We have lived up to our word.

Now if you are irritated about how we are doing, just send your "R" back and get 110% back on your deposit. You can always jump back in when things have settled down. But please stop complaining about things changing. That is the one thing we promised from the beginning.

BTW, the camera is ten times what we talked about a year ago. Look again at the specs. The best you could do on a budget was 2k RGB. That is now 4K REDCODE RAW.

Sorry for my irritation, but if we are causing you frustration, the best solution is for us to go dark until NAB.

One last thought... we aren't done changing prices. At the end, probably to your advantage.

Jim


Perhaps a big red "prices and specifications subject to change without notice" sign on the pricelist page might be helpful. Posting prices gives the impression of locking things in stone, even if they aren't really...

Cheers,
R.

[Dominic Jones]

Perhaps a big red "prices and specifications subject to change without notice" sign on the pricelist page might be helpful. Posting prices gives the impression of locking things in stone, even if they aren't really...

Cheers,
R.
Good point - I have to say, it wasn't clear to me that the price list was subject to change in the same manner that the Camera specs were - obviously I've taken that on-board now! But that would certainly stave off any future confusion....

EDIT: BTW, an Oscar nomination for a short film's still pretty damn good, Ruairi!!

[Hrvoje Simic]

Clearly any specifications and prices prior to NAB and maybe even at NAB are somewhat speculative. These are not delivered parts sitting on a shelf, they are in the process of designing and manufacturing the first run of parts.

What irritates me is that on every thread there are a jillion terrific fans "Jim can do no wrong" "JIm is my hero" etc. then when a speculative price changes by a slight amount this major offended thing. Where is it written that every thing must be revealed to you? This process has been so much more open than any other camera manufacturer that I can't believe all the carping since the price announcements. The prices on everything so far have been more than fair. There now I sound like a fanboy...

Now, at the risk of sounding like a "fanboy" also:

facts
- Every reservation holder will get a device they could only dream of for the price they could only dream of
- Red crew is taking the time to interact with this community, to listen to people and give advice
- We have all been given a chance to witness and influence the development of something that will eventually go down in history of cinema/videography

Maybe I'm really living in a surreal world of make-belief, and this is all usually seen everywhere, or maybe my low self esteem makes me spend my time kissing asses around the globe......or maaybe people like to take things for granted.

A simple calculation of an average day's fee with RED ONE can easily wipe out that feeling of shock caused by a sudden price change.
I cincerely doubt the charges will be one sixth of the usual price.

[Gunleik Groven]

AFAIK there is a disclaimer on the pricelist page.

Anyho -;)

We'll all be happily shooting with a Red one way or another within a year.
The price is in any context wildly low, compared to any other total camerasolution I've been considering the last two years.

The specs, even if you take the hecklers POV - are higher than anything else on the market for buying.

Let's just sit back and see what will be offered and be gratefull that this time we are all hopefully @ the right time and place to see some real change in the way cameras are built, codecs are written and prices on pro gear are estimated since the first pro video equipment came around.

Gunleik

[Steve Sherrick]

At the very least, the price list has given us some ballpark figures so we can assemble budgets and know that we are within a monetary range that is feasable. I had only a basic idea of what some of the accessories might sell for, and now that there are more solid numbers, as well as the allowance figure, it helps out tremendously in putting together a package.

Jim owned up to the mistake, which I give him kudos for. Honestly though, I've planned on waiting until everything is completely official to hold them to any of it. The pricelist serves its purpose for now. To me, what's announced at NAB will be closer to the Gospel.

Steve

[Ivan G]

we will go dark until NAB for any further changes
Jim


This blows! You guys happy now! I sleep on this site for any little info released until the big day (NAB). For people asking about adding a "Subject to change with out notice" on the price list.... Give me a break! Jim has always said sh•ts gonna change. You guys aren't new to the site. I'd expect a newbie to ask such questions. All we wanted, well at least myself was to hear any update made to the RED. Kiss that goodbye....

[Sean]

I do think we're all a bit spoiled. Spoiled by a company that is seeking to reach the independent filmmaker. Spoiled by a company that is doing things differently. Responding to its customers in a way no one would EVER imagine Sony or Panasonic or JVC responding. When's the last time the CEO of Sony got on a web forum the same afternoon to answer a question. The very reason why the camera is so revolutionary is part and parcel of Red Camera's unique, totally progressive manufacturing and marketing model (i.e., make a camera "for the people" by being "one of the people"--Jim Jannard has said himself he's also a customer of Red). And so let's not forget: this is a start-up company! A start-up company which is actually accomplishing something that was not going to happen without Red...at least not this soon. And having worked at start-ups myself, I know the only thing that one can count on is chaos. The reason why Red offers a product this good for this price point with this speed of responsiveness to its customers is because they're a small, driven, independent outfit. Why should we want or expect them to act like Sony Corp. who needs to go through a hundred marketing employees and a thousand board meetings before releasing ANY information. So what if a price changed by a couple hundred dollars. The whole thing seems like a steal at twice the price, and a hundred bucks here or there isn't the issue. The issue is we're getting a camera that just might make our indie movies look as good as Miami Vice and Zodiac and Superman Returns. At this point, we should cut 'em some slack, because it's looking very much like Red did the very thing no one thought was possible. :-)

[Clayton Harper]

I am happy we got a look at the prices. Now I know approximately how much cash to sock away in the next month to get where I need to be.

[Keith Alan Morris]

This blows! You guys happy now! I sleep on this site for any little info released until the big day (NAB). For people asking about adding a "Subject to change with out notice" on the price list.... Give me a break! Jim has always said sh•ts gonna change. You guys aren't new to the site. I'd expect a newbie to ask such questions. All we wanted, well at least myself was to hear any update made to the RED. Kiss that goodbye....

I agree! Theres guys out here (like me) watching the boards daily who aren't even reservation holders and would kill for one of these cameras. we appreciate the process and any updates whatsoever. youre getting a camera this year and have something to complain about!?!

now theyre totally justified going dark. way to go.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Prices will be locked at that time... until we decide to change them again.

Hehe.

Actually, if you get a chance to mention it to the web guy, you should have him change a minor price or spec once every day or so. Just to see all the people freak out around here. :clown2:

For a forum where people are buying a $20K+ camera system, the "Oh, no! The price just went up $200!" threads are a hoot.

[donatello b]

ahhhhhhhhh ??
is it me or did time just stop/halt ?

[Jarred Land]

This blows! You guys happy now! I sleep on this site for any little info released until the big day (NAB). For people asking about adding a "Subject to change with out notice" on the price list.... Give me a break! Jim has always said sh•ts gonna change. You guys aren't new to the site. I'd expect a newbie to ask such questions. All we wanted, well at least myself was to hear any update made to the RED. Kiss that goodbye....

this is one of those classic "bite the hand the feeds" moments.

and its too bad.. cause things are starting to get really interesting at RED...

thank god NAB is just a month away.

[Ralph Oshiro]

Sorry for my irritation, but if we are causing you frustration, the best solution is for us to go dark until NAB.
I fully expected you guys to "go dark" as NAB got closer--you guys have a lotta stuff to do! It's crunch time--we gotta let these guys get down to business! I'm sure it's in the best interest of RED's final development phase. And if it's good for RED, it's good for us!


. . . we aren't done changing prices. At the end, probably to your advantage. I expect at the end, a more favorable situation for reservation holders, but we'll all just have to wait and see until then.
Guys, are you listening to Jim? This just keeps getting better and better! Even at the status quo, reservation-holders have already been given a super deal on a super camera! NAB will be here before we know it. We just gotta hold our asses for a few more weeks! Let's give the RED team all the support we can. These guys are gonna be working their asses off (and have been for 14 months) in the coming days preceeding NAB! I'm sure a lot of long nights and cold pizza are in the offing. Keep cheering them on! GO, RED TEAM, GO!!!

[Don Woods]

We are all with you guys keep up the good work NAB is going to kick some major ass this year..

[Ralph Oshiro]

I do think we're all a bit spoiled. Spoiled by a company that is seeking to reach the independent filmmaker. Spoiled by a company that is doing things differently. Responding to its customers in a way no one would EVER imagine Sony or Panasonic or JVC responding. When's the last time the CEO of Sony got on a web forum the same afternoon to answer a question. The very reason why the camera is so revolutionary is part and parcel of Red Camera's unique, totally progressive manufacturing and marketing model (i.e., make a camera "for the people" by being "one of the people"--Jim Jannard has said himself he's also a customer of Red). And so let's not forget: this is a start-up company! A start-up company which is actually accomplishing something that was not going to happen without Red...at least not this soon. And having worked at start-ups myself, I know the only thing that one can count on is chaos. The reason why Red offers a product this good for this price point with this speed of responsiveness to its customers is because they're a small, driven, independent outfit. Why should we want or expect them to act like Sony Corp. who needs to go through a hundred marketing employees and a thousand board meetings before releasing ANY information. So what if a price changed by a couple hundred dollars. The whole thing seems like a steal at twice the price, and a hundred bucks here or there isn't the issue. The issue is we're getting a camera that just might make our indie movies look as good as Miami Vice and Zodiac and Superman Returns. At this point, we should cut 'em some slack, because it's looking very much like Red did the very thing no one thought was possible.
WELL SAID, SEAN! EXACTLY my thoughts, as well. I've been meaning to write this same post for sometime now, but you've saved me the trouble, and wrote a better one than I had ever planned! Damn good post there, Sean. You outta post more.

[feb31films]

Well, boo-hoo, the price went up a couple hundred bucks. Technically it didn't, you just aren't getting as much FOR FREE as you thought. Seriously, I imagine that most of the guys/gals on this forum are budget conscious just like myself - we'd all be purchasing Vipers if we weren't. This kind of price flux is very common in a pre-release product (or should I say products). And are your forgetting that those of you that have Camera reservations are getting a $2500 CREDIT towards accessory purchases?! When did Sony or Panasonic ever offer that?!? SO MAN UP and give the Red Team a break!

[Charles Perkins]

thanks for chiming in Jim. although i was under the impression that the prices were final. thanks for being so open about it.

[Brainstorm]

Wow... I'm staggered to see this thread descend to such a level of banality.

The fact is, Jim Jannard is a businessman (not a superhero or everybody's buddy) and he can do what he likes, when he likes. Put prices up. Put prices down. Add things. Take things away. He owes nobody anything. If you don't like what he's offering, like any consumer, you can spend your dollars somewhere else (and he'll even give your money back to make it easy). That's business.

Having said all that... I don't like being "punished" because somebody else in the class has been naughty.

Please Jim, could you keep the information channels open so that professionals making decisions about purchases that affect their businesses can make informed choices. I know many, many people who read this board would appreciate it – especially those of us who do not have reservations and who won't be getting any "bonuses" that we won't be paying for.

[Mike the beginner]

There can be few reservation holders who are not pro-red supporters.

All of us like to and enjoy getting more news, whatever that news may be.

The price announcements gave all of us a guidline to what we expected.

Since i am a beginner (possibly the only one!) i am under no illusions as to what the eventual price will be to operate my red camera with the necessary accessories. When i am kitted out i reckon i will have spent $60,000. For that i get a great set of tools to enable me to do the projects i want to do. My projects will succeed or fail on my ability, creativity and so forth. An almost impossible task, but i love a challange!

I read posts on other forums and yes i hear some of the hugely biased anti-red feelings that have been building up over this past 12 months on specific forums. Red have been brilliant right through this whole period. I cannot thank them enough.

There are times when we think these guys cannot possibly be human, such a talented group of guys. On the odd rare ocassions some of us forget that they are human afterall and they do make the odd error (out of thousands that went right). I am as guilty as anyone else on that score. Many of us are protective of red and hate to see "the anti-red brigade" be given substance to their argument.

I see no hecklers or naysayers on this thread. I see no anti-red supporters.

We all love what red is doing and yes we all have to cut them some slack. But please allow constructive comments good or bad to be aired. It keeps red on its toes and makes them even more competitive. That will ensure they become the best camera company in the world.

Red team are now under greater pressure to produce at NAB, possibly more so than any other camera company has ever been. It is in all of our interests that the maximum number of reservations are indeed taken up. That alone will silence the dis-believers. The specs and prices will ensure that happens.

Maybe we should all cut them slack for this next fortnight and let them got on with things.

A wee glimpse pre-NAB would be appreciated though:biggrin:

[Ralph Oshiro]

Jim and RED team are going to be BUSY! I don't mind them going dark at all. Let them focus on finishing RED!

[Brainstorm]

Jim and RED team are going to be BUSY! I don't mind them going dark at all. Let them focus on finishing RED!

If they go quiet because they're busy, that's fine. If they go quiet because of the misplaced comments of a few forum members, that's another story!

I got the impression that Jim was pulling the curtain down because of the latter.

[Curran Giddens]

I'm sure Jim and Co. will still check out the forums and post messages here before NAB. I bet they are all completely addicted to Reduser.net, just as much as we are!

[PaulClements]

What the hell's going on? You leave the forum for a short while and now Jim's talking about doing dark? wha!?!?!

This all seems a little bizarre to me, couldn't care less about the price change but given the open discussion base that Red have themselves encouraged as a means of promotion I can't see why it would be so unexpected that there is some flak if people don't like something? Maybe the original comments weren't great but they were in essence justified. There is and never has been any question of what Red is doing is simply magnificent and truly appreciated, but effectively censoring an entire community because some people speak out against an unannounced and then unconfirmed price change seems a little negative.

Don't get me wrong I don't want to tread on anyone's feet by writing this (And hope and pray it isn't taken as an attack), and I would happily read the riot act to others, as many have, about mouthing of because it has cost the community the opportunity to learn more in the process of the cameras build, but it somehow doesn't seem like a very healthy community if everything written has to be pro-red and never negative. Afterall it's this reason that people refer to users of this forum as RedHeads or whatever and this always bugs the hell out of me, far more than any price change by a couple of hundred bucks.

Jim I hope that you continue as you have begun and be as open and honest about the process. And if something like this small matter falls under your radar and doesn't get picked up straight away then I can assure you most if not all will always forgive any such small error by any member of your team. Keep up the good work and forget about this thread.

[Dominic Jones]

Well said Paul, no-one's attacking anybody and I think the posts here have all been justified and reasonable in tone - not even negative, but simply expressing discomfort at a perceived mis-handling of some price changes.

As you also say, it's not exactly a big deal that the prices have changed. I and some other users felt (misguidedly, as it now seems, but then surely that's the point of these forums, to clear up such matters?!) that the announcements from Red had been slanted in favor of the positive. It seems it was just an honest mistake by a member of the Red team. No worries, these things happen. But all that's needed is for that to be cleared up, which has now happened...

The whole issue has, as far as I'm concerned at least, been completely dealt with - it's time for everyone to put their toys back in the pram and get on with it!!!

[Michael Hastings]

Maybe it is more like fixing the price list on a daily basis. Before everyone gets their bowels in an uproar - just look at it and try to figure what makes sense. It probably is almost a necessity that the LCD be supplied with at least a short cable to hook to the camera since it is a proprietary connector. But did it really make sense that they gave you two different extension cables? Probably not, so it would be easy to write that off as a mistake. Should it be supplied with an an arm - maybe maybe not - everybody has their own idea of how the LCD should be mounted so maybe an a la carte arm is appropriate.

I can tell you from experience that is often harder to keep the literature/price list/website info up to date (and all saying the same thing!) than it is to design and build the stuff. Within two days of when I get my RED camera and a 10 mm Ultraprime lens, I can build an underwater housing that will be safe, secure, optically excellent and capable of making pictures I will be proud of 10 years from now. No way will I have pictures, a spec sheet, price list, website update, etc. as quickly. Some of it is just time and coordination - but there is also an element of jumping back and forth from right brain to left brain stuff, the creative to the mundane. Jim obviously has both sides working. (Jim as a former psyche major I'm curious, do you happen to be left handed or ambidextrous?)

I'm like all of you, I enjoy the tidbits when they come out, and some are even somewhat important for future decisions. But it is probably more important for the vast majority of us to have the regular input from Jim than to have a dead accurate price/spec sheet. All of us early adopters took a leap of faith last April and I for one think it is working out well.

I vote we ask Jim to keep giving us those tidbits with the understanding that we will treat them as stream of consciousness thoughts that he won't be bound to until they are solidified - at least until a grand unification a few weeks after NAB.




This is getting quite annoying! Do they change the pricelist on a daily basis?

This is extremely unprofessional. I'm disappointed, to say the least. :angry03:

[PaulClements]

Within two days of when I get my RED camera and a 10 mm Ultraprime lens, I can build an underwater housing that will be safe, secure, optically excellent and capable of making pictures I will be proud of 10 years from now. No way will I have pictures, a spec sheet, price list, website update, etc. as quickly...

Really... You could make that in two days? I can design an ecommerce website, take pictures produce a spec sheet, price list etc in two days... maybe we should talk :):):)

[Michael Hastings]

Paul:

I really can make the housing in two days. I like to take a little longer to tweak a few things., but we do it all the time. I got the 1st Sony FX7 on a Monday (B&H got the 1st FX7s the previous Thursday), finished the housing Tuesday afternoon and drove to Orlando that night for DEMA (the major dive industry show) that started Wednesday morning. It took about 3 or 4 days to make the 1st for the HVX200 - but that had a lot to do with my friend that owned the camera hovering over me as I worked. 30% of the housing is already made interchangeable stuff - the handle wings, backplates, domes, and sometimes the actual tube, so it is not entirely from scratch. Typically, we will do another day or two of tweaking design work for the "production" version of the housing for the more popular cameras, but the changes wouldn't affect the actual image quality. I have used that original housing a number of times, including for a recent HDNet shoot. This is for the standard cylindrical style housing. A shaped aluminum housing like the Varicam housing will take 3 to 8 weeks. I may eventually make one of that style for the RED, but actually the RED is configured very well for using the cylindrical style.

You can see what these housings look like here:

http://www.aquavideo.com/pdfs/Panasonic%20HVX200housing910.pdf
http://www.aquavideo.com/pdfs/SonyHDRFX7HVRV1Housing.pdf

http://www.aquavideo.com/pdfs/Varicam%20housing.pdf

I was exaggerating a little on not being able to take the photos, etc. in 2 days - I'm not a complete idiot. What typically happens is it gets put on the procrastinatable (like that?) pile of things to do like bills, invoices, taxes, emails, and it is easy to make mistakes, omissions, etc. So I am always open to {affordable} assistance.


Really... You could make that in two days? I can design an ecommerce website, take pictures produce a spec sheet, price list etc in two days... maybe we should talk :):):)

[Moir]

Just be thankful you don't live in Zimbabwe where inflation runs in the thousands of percent, prices rise by the hour, and shoppers have to ensure they keep ahead of the guy with the sticker machine as they move down the aisles.

Of course, I wouldn't complain if Jim told us the Red prices were Zimbabwe dollars.

[damonbots]

Hey, maybe some day UNICEF will get into the 4k camera business.

[Zack Birlew]

I don't care if they hike the prices up another $1,000, I just want to get me some 4K goodness!

It's actually good that RED's going dark until NAB, wouldn't want to slip and spoil any of the remaining secrets now would they?:gun:



:pirate: yar har.......

[Roberto B]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=17744&highlight=supply+demand#post17744



there's a relevant principle which rules our lifes: law of supply and demand..

be careful: don't break it!

[Alexander Nikishin]

With some foresight I have archived all price list versions. :wink:
This is the history of the LCD Screen:[/IMG]

Thank god you posted this. I thought I was going insane after remembering the accessories list and their corresponding prices, then checking it once more and thinking...hey, wait a minute! :blink:

[Ruairi Robinson]

Yeesh,

Jim - Just to say I didn't start this thread to cause any undue grief. Just on a tight budget, so wanted to clarify the fiddly little details. In the grand scheme of things they don't matter much to be honest. But there's so many people now looking at this project through a macro lens, that maybe it is a good idea to go dark till NAB, and just concentrate on what's important, rather than worrying about what people are saying on the internet. If prices are likely to change there's no point in trying to budget it now anyway...

Look forward to seeing the images this camera creates. I hope so very much that it's in line with my expectations. Eveything else is irrelevant until the results are visible!

Best of luck,
Ruairi

[Sean]

Gotta feel a bit for Ruairi who started this thread with a very legitimate, honest, polite question about pricing. Obviously it wasn't Ruairi who stirred up the hornet's nest. A few people just got a bit cranky over a minor misprint on Red's price list--a misprint which really can't be all that surprising given the speed and thought-to-be-impossible goals for Red's roll-out.