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Peter Majtan
04-07-2008, 07:15 PM
CONCLUSION:

Since no-one has guessed the 5+1, the price goes unclaimed...

However (As salut to Jim & all the indies out there) - we will offer the same* price (FREE postproduction in 3K* DCI for an independent short (up to 10 min), including audio and final mastering (value of over $ 15000,- USD)...) to the first fortunate owner of Scarlet who goes out there and shoots his short! Original script with a single still image from each scene proving You have finished the shooting will be required. As soon as someone claims the price - we will announce it here in this thread, elsewhere on this forum and also on our website to prevent You from sending stuff without reason...

Furthermore, as "Thank You" for participating in this thread, we will offer every person who participated 50% discount on our POSTPRODUCTION services for their first indie short (up to 10 min final edit) shoot on Scarlet (or RED ONE / EPIC).

*By the time Scarlet is available, we will be able to handle 3K (and 4K) workflow - for now "just" 2K...

Until then...

Peter



ORIGINAL POST:

Hi everyone!

With less then one week remaining lets have some last minute fun:

Please list 5 MAIN* features with the 6th item being price-tag.
(Please be specific with the features and the price - things like "bellow $ 2000,- won't cut it...)

I, for one, on behalf of my company DERYL Group, offer the winer FREE postproduction in 2K DCI for an independent short (up to 10 min), including audio and final mastering (value of over $ 15000,- USD)...

Jim - will You add something?

Here is my bet:

1) 2K DCI resolution (2048x1080)
2) Variable frame rate
3) Interchangeable lens mount
4) RED RAW
5) NO build-in LCD

6) $ 2000,- USD (even thou I think it will be between $ 5~8 K...)

Let the fun begin...

EDIT:

Please note the format above (5 specific features and 1 fixed price-tag).
Any entries listing more (or less) features, or listing unspecific feature or price-tag will not be considered...
If Your bet is not in the 5+1 format - please edit your post accordingly...
The betting will close 10PM on the 13th (or if by any chance the actual specs and price of Scarlet leaks out, or are "released").
Any post added (or edited) after the deadline will not be considered.
We will take a snapshot of the thread (to prevent editing of post with "correct" data after the deadline...).
If two bets are the same - the one that was posted (or edited) first is the winer...

* "MAIN feature" means defining feature, such as whether it is going to have interchangeable lens mounts (or fixed lens), build-in LCD (or not), 2K (or HD, or 4K, or "whatever"K) resolution, recording format, variable frame rates, time-laps, etc... As KMIKAMI correctly pointed out - things like "power button", "record button", etc... do not count... Thanks KMIKAMI!

combatentropy
04-07-2008, 07:55 PM
1. 2K
2. S16
3. RAW
4. CF
5. Pocket size, but only without lens, battery, and LCD.
6. $5,000

--
Wah, I want one now! (trying to be the "winer") :)

hamtheman
04-07-2008, 08:12 PM
1)2K!
2)S16
3)RAW
4)Comes with lens but you can get a different one.
5) something insane like a li managed to fit a 7 inch monitor on a 5 in. camera? lol
6) I hope 4000$ but I'm guessing 5000$

Bing Bailey
04-07-2008, 08:17 PM
I think at 2,000 jim would be doing it at a loss and as much as I'd like to see the other companies lose their minds I don't want to see red do something that would damage red long term. I think around 5k is more likely

fightordie
04-07-2008, 08:38 PM
Similar to my previous post in another thread:

2K raw

Film motion/video/still frame rates

12 megapixel still raw capture ability

Variable frame rates

Choice of canon or nikon mount - no lens supplied

Without lens cam is pocket size (fits in jacket pocket)

Quality focusable LCD

* mini bnc connector

sdi/usb out only

Compact flash

all metal body

modified REd one lke proprietary focus/exposure ability

$3850.00 without lens

*this is an edit not because I read all these other posts. I just don't know what I was thinking when I put mini bnc. I meant mini xlr. Honest. I will not erase bnc from above in case it is not allowed but I really meant xlr.

John Caballero
04-07-2008, 10:14 PM
2K/S16
RAW
CF Recording
Pro DSLR build, shaped as video camera, black
Interchangeable lenses
$3,500.00. No lens

Dallas Zhen
04-08-2008, 12:02 AM
2k
Super 35mm
Raw
Interchangable Lens
Us $5000-7000

Ameer Azari
04-08-2008, 12:26 AM
Maybe the scarlet will be like the Canon XL series: as in, it'll come with a decent lens, but we attach others if we want.

2K
CF Recording (come on 16GB)
Variable Frame rates
Small body (I don't want to rip my jacket pockets trying to prove Jim right)
Free RED lollipop voucher

$4,500

Gian Paolo Vallati
04-08-2008, 03:14 AM
- SSdisk 64 Gb SATA II recording
- 2K RAW code
- S16 DOF
- Interchangeable Lens with Nikon/Canon mount
- Variable frame rates

$ 5,000

MikeHedge
04-08-2008, 05:01 AM
$2500 2k 1-120fps PL mount 64GB flash HD HDMI out. (for monitor) so. this means the body is pocket sized... no LCD. no lenses. no battery. This will not have a Canon or Nikon mount... this will use smaller batteries than the RED ONE. It will use REDcode. oh and PS... this will be able to shoot timelapse... like the way we are familiar a DSLR does..... anyone know what a pclix is? ya.

joe 1008
04-08-2008, 05:28 AM
-2K
-S16 DOF
-onboard compact camera style monitor
-interchangeable lenses
-swapable flash memory in camera (no additional parts)
-price without lens 7995 USD

Steve White
04-08-2008, 08:42 AM
What the heck.

- 3K (2K cropped) resolution
- S16 size sensor
- on-camera LCD monitor
- RedCODE RAW to Compact Flash in camera
- variable frame rates (up to 120 fps in 2K)
- $3500

David Wyatt
04-08-2008, 08:51 AM
-2K RedCode RAW
-Lens included but is detachable for any PL mount Super 16mm lens
-CF interface (dual hot-swappable?)
-Variable frame rates + timelapse ability
-camera is pocket sized but there are detachable/optional ad-ons (LCD, viewfinder, hard drive), n.b. the accessories are where Red make their money!
-$6,500

Jaime Vallés
04-08-2008, 09:06 AM
- 4K Redcode RAW
- Non-removable 18-50 lens
- CF recording only
- Built in LCD (no EVF)
- Weight: 5 lbs.

- $8000

Mike Bozulich
04-08-2008, 09:21 AM
Wow, this thread sounds familiar... Oh yeah, it already exists!

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11165

Come join the party!

Peter Majtan
04-08-2008, 10:24 AM
Wow, this thread sounds familiar... Oh yeah, it already exists!

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11165

Come join the party!

I'm sure You are proud of Your own thread, however You've clearly not read the main post in this one:

Competition to guess 5 exact features + exact price-tag to win a free postproduction for indi short, not a "cookie"...

Don't want to compete in this one - nobody is forcing You. Get a grip...

Thomas Koch
04-08-2008, 11:04 AM
-2K RedCode RAW
-Lens PL, or Nikon mount
-CF
-S16 DOF
- optional lcd, rail system, etc
-$6,500

Zhibo Lai
04-08-2008, 12:24 PM
1. 2K
2. super 16
3. tapeless
4. fixed, manual lens
5. just a pocket sized lens and deck, everything else (LCD, EVF, drive, supports) are optional and compatible with RED One accessories

6. price ~= $4405.27

Ameer Azari
04-08-2008, 12:44 PM
[QUOTE=Boz;190670]Wow, this thread sounds familiar... Oh yeah, it already exists!

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11165

How can you critisize someone for copying a thread when you have pretty much done the same?

Anyway, most of your posts are good so I'll stop being a !!!! and and laying into you...

6 DAYS!

Pietro Impagliazzo
04-08-2008, 01:10 PM
Oh god, threads like this are multiplying!

Peter Majtan
04-08-2008, 01:56 PM
Once again for the likes of Boz and Impagliazzo:

They may be many similar threads with people guessing what Scarlet is going to be and how much is going to cost, however this one is a:

Competition to win FREE POSTPRODUCTION for an indie short!
We are talking here a value in excess of $ 15000,- USD!!!

No cookies here, but while You are doing Your post at our facilities we will for sure offer You some along with some great Mexican Coffee...

kmikami
04-08-2008, 03:30 PM
Features:
1. A power button
2. A record button
3. Built-in light metering
4. Records 24p video
5. Records sound

:bleh: Seriously though you might want to tighten the rules up a bit somehow. Here are my real guesses:

1. 2k
2. Fixed lens
3. RAW shooting
4. No variable frame rates
5. Small flip-out LCD
Price: $3500

Peter Majtan
04-08-2008, 03:48 PM
Features:
1. A power button
2. A record button
3. Built-in light metering
4. Records 24p video
5. Records sound

:bleh: Seriously though you might want to tighten the rules up a bit somehow.

Power or record button are not exactly a features, but Your point is well taken.
I believe we are all here mature adults (most of us anyway) and we know we are talking about "main" features, nevertheless I am going to "edit" the main post accordingly. Thanks for pointing it out...

nima
04-08-2008, 04:07 PM
This is my opinion:

- 2k
- very large LCD
- PL mount
- 2 XLR connections
- Red Raw
- Coffee Machine RED© included
- Color kaleidoscope with fake snow flakes

Josh Ray
04-08-2008, 04:12 PM
1. Built-in Nikon Mount
2. Autofocus with Nikon lenses -- push button high-speed focus
3. Manual zoom with Nikon lenses
4. CF card
5. 1080p
Icing: Wireless focus pull (ie Arri). Think about it: the high speed motors in the Nikons (and Sigma, etc) focus faster (and more accurately) than the most nimble-fingered puller. Why have mechanical focus when some of the best lenses in the world already offer god's gift to focusing?

If Scarlet were simply a Nikon D40 with a 1080p cmos and variable frame rates it would absolutely kill. DOF? All APS-C (1.5x/1.6x crop) sensors have excellent DOF -- just crank the frame rates and it pulls vid with Nikon pro-level quality.

Really, Sony and Canon should also come out with cams like this. $4999 sans glass and it'd murder everything else on the market. Hell, $9999 for a variable frame rate Nikon? Sign me up.

spilledink
04-08-2008, 04:51 PM
1.fixed lens
2.shoots to SDHC
3.Raw
4.attached LCD or OLED screen
5.variable frame rates

Price: Less than $3000 (let's face it, anything pocket sized is going to be hell to stabilize so they're probably trying to take on a different corner of the market)

Peter Majtan
04-08-2008, 05:04 PM
1.fixed lens
2.shoots to SDHC
3.Raw
4.attached LCD or OLED screen
5.variable frame rates

Price: Less than $3000 (let's face it, anything pocket sized is going to be hell to stabilize so they're probably trying to take on a different corner of the market)

A) Please be specific about the price-tag (read the main post)

B) Regarding stabilization, I know heavier normally is better, but there are some instances where smaller is easier to stabilize. We have, on our last heli-shoot, tried to see how would HV20 behave stabilized by two Kenyon Gyros and a Glidecam customized system. The footage was very impressive (of course not counting HDV format). We have tried similar setup to shoot out of moving vehicles with the same impressive results. This is where "pocket sized" Scarlet will deliver miracles...

Zack Birlew
04-08-2008, 06:31 PM
Okay, after reading every body else's thoughts, I'll mix it up. Here goes:

1. 2K
2. CF Recording
3. DSLR body (either Nikon D300-size or maybe even thin film body frame with a large LCD built in to the back with an interchangeable mount, starting with PL)
4. Variable Frame Rates 1-60
5. 2x XLR with HDMI out as only outputs
Price: $1,800


...(yeah, I said $1,800)

Joshua Murray
04-08-2008, 07:37 PM
1. s16 sensor that captures 2k RAWcode at 24p to 60p
2. Records to Cf cards as well as optional external hard drive
3. Optional nikon or canon mounts
4. Flip out lcd, no viewfinder
5. $4,500

Rob Lohman
04-08-2008, 07:47 PM
1) **** *** ***
2) ********
3) ***** ****** ****** ***** *** *****
4) **** **** ***
5) ****

6) $ *****************

Wait, RED employees can't enter? dang

Peter Majtan
04-08-2008, 07:59 PM
1) **** *** ***
2) ********
3) ***** ****** ****** ***** *** *****
4) **** **** ***
5) ****

6) $ *****************

Wait, RED employees can't enter? dang

Rob, I have never said the RED employees can't enter, however I believe that Your entry will instantly end the competition according to the rules - unless of course You really don't know anything about Scarlet ;o)

Zach Hilton
04-08-2008, 08:02 PM
6) $ *****************

Wait, RED employees can't enter? dang
How many place holders after the decimal point did you add on there? I think two is sufficient, no? :biggrin:

killfilm
04-08-2008, 08:04 PM
1. 2k Raw Redcode
2. Fixed Lens
3. 24fps
4. 24bit audio
5. works with red cine and uses R3D

Jeff Kilgroe
04-08-2008, 08:09 PM
OK, I'll play...

1> 2K~2.4K, 2/3" to s16mm CMOS.

2> Modular Record Options, CF to start, 1.8" SSD and ExpressCard planned.

3> 1 to 120fps REDCODE RAW on-board.

4> Modular hand-held system and mounts. Hold it like a DLSR or a compact camcorder. Or configure and hold with a pistol grip, shoot from the hip, mount to a car, surf-board or helmet.

5> Unique lens system, no over-sized 35mm mounts for this "pocket cam". I see interchangeable zoom lenses via 3 or 4 available lens packs or modules. Perhaps it comes standard with a 10:1 zoom, but there's an option for a wide-angle module, another option for a 15-50X zoom, etc..

6> (US)$8750

Florian Stadler
04-08-2008, 08:27 PM
- 3K Redcode RAW
- built in 14-75 T2.4 lens
- CF recording only
- Flip out LCD
- Weight: 7 lbs.
- Flip out Pistol Grip containing battery
- 7500$

Eugene
04-08-2008, 09:38 PM
1) size of two decks of playing cards
2) 2K from a cropped Mysterium CMOS
3) c-mount
4) rugged metal body
5) RED Code
6) $3,333.33

Mike Bozulich
04-08-2008, 09:39 PM
1) **** *** ***
2) ********
3) ***** ****** ****** ***** *** *****
4) **** **** ***
5) ****

6) $ *****************

Wait, RED employees can't enter? dang

I'm not sure I like the number of digits after that dollar sign :tongue:

combatentropy
04-08-2008, 10:10 PM
at 2,000 jim would be doing it at a loss

Why do you think Jim named the company Red? Because it operates in the red.

Oakley looks like it is doing well. Jim Jannard is a billionaire. If he wants to sell at low or even negative margins to help independent artists better record their vision, who's going to stop him?

Ameer Azari
04-09-2008, 12:27 AM
Why do you think Jim named the company Red? Because it operates in the red.

Oakley looks like it is doing well. Jim Jannard is a billionaire. If he wants to sell at low or even negative margins to help independent artists better record their vision, who's going to stop him?

Sorry, but as nice and awesome as Jim Jannard is, he's a business man and is looking to make a profit for RED. No company is just gonna make cameras at a loss so people can enjoy them.

I don't have a bad attitude, please serve me!

Peter Majtan
04-09-2008, 03:42 AM
6) $ *****************


At the current rate dollar is devaluating buy the time Scarlet is going to be available the number of digits is about right...

...just kidding - I hope they start selling it at the show...

Graeme Nattress
04-09-2008, 05:31 AM
Rob, did you know that if you take the pattern of * and " " in your amusing post above, place as wavelet coeficients into a REDCODE decoder, you get the a highly compressed image of the Scarlet itself? Rob, that is SO clever!

Graeme

Rob Lohman
04-09-2008, 09:08 AM
Shhhh Graeme!

Peter Majtan
04-09-2008, 09:52 AM
"You get the chicken by waiting for the egg to hatch, not by smashing it with a hammer"

Rob, regarding Your motto, the problem is that when You smash chicken with an hammer - you get it instantly...

When You wait for egg to hatch a lot of things can go wrong: someone else's egg hatches sooner, or their chicken can grow faster and fatter, someone steals Your egg, Your egg does not hatch due to global warming, the same chicken that laid Your egg lays another one that is much better or more to Your "taste", etc...

All of us are way too hungry, but fortunately patient at the same time...

:innocent:

Rob Lohman
04-09-2008, 10:40 AM
I stole that line from Jarred, hehehe.... I just liked it! :)

I guess it's being a Software Engineer... we like egg hatchings to be perrrrrfect

Shawn Nelson
04-09-2008, 11:36 AM
Oh rock on! I could actually use the prize. I have a 8-page short being shot on the 19/20 on my Red :-).

1. 2k
2. C-mount lens mount
3. Variable frame rates
4. Can use existing Red LCD
5. Record to CF
5+1. Price: $8750.

Sanjin Jukic
04-09-2008, 11:49 AM
Oh rock on! I could actually use the prize. I have a 8-page short being shot on the 19/20 on my Red :-).

1. 2k
2. C-mount lens mount
3. Variable frame rates
4. Can use existing Red LCD
5. Record to CF
5+1. Price: $8750.

Even better

1. CMOS 2K
2. Interchangeable Mount System IMS (P+S TECHNIK)
3. 2K optical viewfinder extra buy (P+S TECHNIK)
4. Sensor DR 11.5 stops
5. Variable frame rates 1-120 fps
6. Can use existing Red LCD
7. Record to CF
8. Price: $8750 without 2K optical viewfinder.

That could beat SI-2K and ARRIFLEX D-21 like cameras, also similar HD products from Sony like F23, F35, Panasonic, Thompson Grass Valley, Ikegami etc.,...

Peter Majtan
04-09-2008, 11:50 AM
Oh rock on! I could actually use the prize. I have a 8-page short being shot on the 19/20 on my Red :-).

1. 2k
2. C-mount lens mount
3. Variable frame rates
4. Can use existing Red LCD
5. Record to CF
5+1. Price: $8750.

Just to keep in mind - we are (for now) only equipped to handle 2K uncompress in real-time for editing and CC. We could do post in 4K, but through 2K proxies. I assume You will shoot with RED ONE, not Scarlet... ;o)

Brian Harbauer
04-09-2008, 12:05 PM
2K Raw S16(Windowed Mysterium sensor)
Records to flash card only
Variable frame rates 1-120 FPS
1 XLR Input with Phantom and 1 HDMI Out
$3,500

Shawn Nelson
04-09-2008, 12:05 PM
Just to keep in mind - we are (for now) only equipped to handle 2K uncompress in real-time for editing and CC. We could do post in 4K, but through 2K proxies. I assume You will shoot with RED ONE, not Scarlet... ;o)

Yeah, definitely on Red. I'm not in good graces enough to have any sort of advanced stuff.

And yes, I think finishing Red stuff in 2k is the sweet spot. Heck, I think 2k finishing is fine even for a 35mm out.

Peter Majtan
04-09-2008, 12:15 PM
Yeah, definitely on Red. I'm not in good graces enough to have any sort of advanced stuff.

And yes, I think finishing Red stuff in 2k is the sweet spot. Heck, I think 2k finishing is fine even for a 35mm out.

2K is very much the equivalent of 35mm, if not a bit superior in terms of spatial resolution. 4K competes in terms of s.r. with 65mm IMAX. I had the pleasure to analyze in detail the differences between 35mm, 65mm (and 70) and digital 2K and 4K formats as a part of research for development of film restoration system for Kurosawa's family. The only remaining advantage of "analogue" film is the dynamic range, which can be addressed by capturing HDRI - surely where RED has to go (maybe not with Scarlet) to compete with film...

Sebastian Cepeda
04-10-2008, 05:24 AM
1) 2K resolution (2048x1080)
2) Variable frame rate
3) Interchangeable lens mount/ OCF mount
4) RED RAW
5) Build in LCD or changable with the RED LCD

6) $ 5890,- USD

Vico Martin
04-10-2008, 05:45 AM
1. 2k DCI
2. n to 50Fps
3. Mounts options
5. Integrated LCD, Integrated CF module
6. puff!!, about 6800 USD??

Terry_Lasater
04-10-2008, 08:38 AM
As a tie-breaker, you could ask when Scarlet will be available for purchase.

1. 2K sensor
2. variable to 64fps
3. fixed lens
4. CF
5. LCD
6. $5,900
7. Available September 23, 2008

peter roehsler
04-10-2008, 10:18 AM
1. 3K sensor
2. up to 120 fps (2K)
3. P+S universal mount on cam, you choose your lens system
4. 64 GB SS-disk
5. mini LCD with foldable magnifier and hood

6. $ 7.800

Peter Majtan
04-10-2008, 10:50 AM
As a tie-breaker, you could ask when Scarlet will be available for purchase.

1. 2K sensor
2. variable to 64fps
3. fixed lens
4. CF
5. LCD
6. $5,900
7. Available September 23, 2008

Hey Terry!

An actual tie is not likely as no two post can be added at the exact time and I have clarified that if there are two (or more) exact same bets, the one that was posted (or edited) before the others wins.

But if You have followed the "marketing stunt" (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11440)
the date at the end of the "trailer" says 04.30.08!

Now that goes well with Jim confirming that RED won't be selling ANYTHING at NAB...

Ameer Azari
04-10-2008, 10:57 AM
If we win can we use the post production thing whenever we want?

Ameer Azari
04-10-2008, 10:57 AM
yay, I'm not a junior member anymore!

Peter Majtan
04-10-2008, 11:05 AM
If we win can we use the post production thing whenever we want?

In general the answer is YES, but it will depend on our availability. You will need to book it in advance and You may need to wait a little...

Also please consider that we are located in Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz - MEXICO.
The value I've quoted was based on 1 month post working about 4 hours Mo-Fri. It will include editing, color-grading, sound and final mastering (2K-DCI with 5.1 Dolby). We may squeeze in few effects or other goodies, especially if we like what You are doing...

Edit:

You can rent a simple apartment for bellow $500,- for the whole month and the food here is great and cheap. We will help You organize anything You will need while here with us...

Ameer Azari
04-10-2008, 12:30 PM
Thanks Peter, or Mr. Majtan? I don't know, I'm sixteen...

Peter Majtan
04-10-2008, 12:32 PM
Thanks Peter, or Mr. Majtan? I don't know, I'm sixteen...

Age means nothing in our industry. Peter is just fine...

Ameer Azari
04-10-2008, 12:36 PM
cool Peter...I love Red Users...They're so much more layed back...In fact most "western cultures" are pretty awesome.

Here in England it's all: Yes Sir, No maam...Cup of tea?

Oooh...I showed my parent's my short films, shot on a ten year old video camera...and they were impressed, so they pledged $4000 to my scarlet cause...Grandma and Aunt another $4000, So as long as its about $5000 so I can get accessories and stuff, that'll be awesome!

Peter Majtan
04-10-2008, 12:43 PM
cool Peter...I love Red Users...They're so much more layed back...In fact most "western cultures" are pretty awesome.

Here in England it's all: Yes Sir, No maam...Cup of tea?

Oooh...I showed my parent's my short films, shot on a ten year old video camera...and they were impressed, so they pledged $4000 to my scarlet cause...Grandma and Aunt another $4000, So as long as its about $5000 so I can get accessories and stuff, that'll be awesome!

I hate to disappoint You :innocent: but I was born in Slovak Republic (ex Czechoslovakia) - that would make the "easterner" in relation to England... (and explain my bad English)
Anyway - having worked in more then 50 countries (so far) I have seen plenty of different cultures and everywhere You find great and forward-looking folks (like Jim) as well as the "other type" and everything between...

I do know a great person in London who thinks very much like Jim - Simon Robinson (Hey Simon :clown2: ) - the founder and boss at The Foundry... (http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/)
If You go to NAB - please say hello from me! (stand SL2624)

Ameer Azari
04-10-2008, 12:49 PM
I hate to disappoint You :innocent: but I was born in Slovak Republic (ex Czechoslovakia) - that would make the "easterner" in relation to England... (and explain my bad English)
Anyway - having worked in more then 50 countries (so far) I have seen plenty of different cultures and everywhere You find great and forward-looking folks (like Jim) as well as the "other type" and everything between...

I do know a great person in London who thinks very much like Jim - Simon Robinson (Hey Simon :clown2: ) - the founder and boss at The Foundry... (http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/)
If You go to NAB - please say hello from me! (stand SL2624)

sorry man, I'm stuck here in England, got exams in a month,

Good results guarantee me a scarlet...bad results guarantee that...well...let's not talk about it:waaa:

Ameer Azari
04-10-2008, 12:51 PM
I went on the foundry, just now...It looks awesome...Does simon specialise in CG effects for film?

Terry_Lasater
04-10-2008, 01:07 PM
Hey Terry!

An actual tie is not likely as no two post can be added at the exact time and I have clarified that if there are two (or more) exact same bets, the one that was posted (or edited) before the others wins.

But if You have followed the "marketing stunt" (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11440)
the date at the end of the "trailer" says 04.30.08!

Now that goes well with Jim confirming that RED won't be selling ANYTHING at NAB...

Oh... my bad.

Allbird
04-10-2008, 03:17 PM
2K res
12bit color
s16 CMOS
B4 mount
1 to 120 fps
redcode 28 to CF
USB, e-SATA & HDMI
EVF & LCD
new RED Lens stock released (not included)
6500$

Christian Edwards
04-10-2008, 04:50 PM
human eyes grown from stem cells
res - organic
price - some of your own bone marrow

oops.... sorry, this is my guess for NAB 3008

Chad Terpstra
04-10-2008, 05:25 PM
1. 2K
2. S16 cmos sensor
3. Interchangeable mounts (B4 mount standard)
4. New RED 10-110mm lens optional
5. Variable frame rates up to 120fps
- $6,900 w/o accessories

Paul Hazlett
04-10-2008, 05:58 PM
Rob, did you know that if you take the pattern of * and " " in your amusing post above, place as wavelet coeficients into a REDCODE decoder, you get the a highly compressed image of the Scarlet itself? Rob, that is SO clever!

Graeme

I tried it and all I got was a picture of Margret Thatcher

Ryan Sims
04-10-2008, 07:13 PM
1) 2K(2048x1080) CMOS sensor - no overscan displayed
2) Variable frame rates up to 30p
3) Fixed Zoom Lens
4) SD-HC card recording of RedCode only
5) Flip-out LCD screen (512x270 display)
6) $ 1750.00 - USD

rascom
04-10-2008, 09:35 PM
Features:
2k RAW
Record to CF
1/4 size of Red One
Interchangeable lens mount
Variable framerates (1-60)

Price:
4375 dollars

Glen David Miller
04-10-2008, 10:55 PM
1) 2K resolution 4:4:4 (2048x1080) head
2) Variable frame 1-72 frames per second.
3) Interchangeable lens mount
4) RED RAW
5) Modular

6) $ 4995- USD

-Glen

Jannard
04-10-2008, 11:46 PM
Features:

under 1/2 lbs.
1/3" sensor
DVC Pro HD recording 720P
3X zoom f4-5.6
under $10K

But what do I know...?

Jim

Andrew Benz
04-10-2008, 11:50 PM
Features:

under 1/2 lbs.
1/3" sensor
DVC Pro HD recording 720P
3X zoom f4-5.6
under $10K

But what do I know...?

Jim

Troll!!:)

Deanan
04-10-2008, 11:56 PM
And the model we'll be showing at NAB...

dver
04-10-2008, 11:59 PM
when will it be out

dver
04-11-2008, 12:02 AM
also what will be the recording medium?
it seems solid state cards

Jannard
04-11-2008, 12:08 AM
also what will be the recording medium?
it seems solid state cards

Tape... the REAL recording media!

Jim

Jannard
04-11-2008, 12:09 AM
when will it be out

Not soon enough...

Jim

Trevor Meier
04-11-2008, 12:11 AM
It'll be RED's first GREEN camera - powered completely by hand-crank (licensed from Kinetta (http://www.kinetta.com/) of course)

dver
04-11-2008, 12:12 AM
this year?

dver
04-11-2008, 01:32 AM
2k (most probably scaled down mysterium)
variable frame rates
4:4:4
inbuilt nd filters
solid state card recording (main drive)
red rails to hold a bigger battery and red drive (as an extension if somebody wants)
2 pro audio out
one mini anudio out
red code raw
one lens with the camera (detachable) + more lenses in the future
fully manual settings
viewfinder (with sockets to attach lcd seperately if one wants to buy)

dver
04-11-2008, 01:34 AM
price 8k

Hrvoje Simic
04-11-2008, 06:48 AM
This guy with the giant logo is causing trouble...
Mods ? :usd:

Terry_Lasater
04-11-2008, 06:59 AM
Avatar envy is a gateway to heavier drugs...

Casey Green
04-11-2008, 08:01 AM
I'll repost what I posted on the other threads with perhaps an adjusted price.

1) 3K (and 2K cropped)
2) Nikon Mount (No Lens Included)
3) Variable fraterates (100 +)
4) Records to Compact Flash
5) Records Redcode RAW

6) $5995

Sami S
04-11-2008, 10:40 AM
1. 2K
2. RAW
3. Interchangable lens
4. LCD and Viewfinder included in the body
5. Variable framerates up to 120fps
6. 2500 USD

Aiden Cornwell
04-11-2008, 01:23 PM
HDR motion capture camera

Comes with Nikon DX mount

2k red code raw

Price $3200

planet e
04-11-2008, 07:27 PM
everyone has already said everything that i would have said, if i was thinking inside the box, so i'm thinking outside, just for fun....

1) i'm betting that jim is getting tired carrying a fully rigged RED with a 300mm lens and also his canon 1DsMarkII --- so he is creating the perfect hybridized video camera/dSLR, the one that lets you carry one camera to do both things equally well, without sacrifice.

2) 2K video camera that lets you shoot 4:2:2 video
3)...and 10 megapixel or better stills
4) interchangeable lens mount - an inveterate lens junkie is not going to mount up a fixed lens and limit the options
5) its form factor will more closely resemble a still camera than any video camera that we have seen to date, boxy like a Canon 5D....to fit in a pocket and let you balance it on a Wimberley head or tripod mount it to the lens, like a still camera but shoot it like video....

Peter Majtan
04-12-2008, 06:48 AM
everyone has already said everything that i would have said, if i was thinking inside the box, so i'm thinking outside, just for fun....

1) i'm betting that jim is getting tired carrying a fully rigged RED with a 300mm lens and also his canon 1DsMarkII --- so he is creating the perfect hybridized video camera/dSLR, the one that lets you carry one camera to do both things equally well, without sacrifice.

2) 2K video camera that lets you shoot 4:2:2 video
3)...and 10 megapixel or better stills
4) interchangeable lens mount - an inveterate lens junkie is not going to mount up a fixed lens and limit the options
5) its form factor will more closely resemble a still camera than any video camera that we have seen to date, boxy like a Canon 5D....to fit in a pocket and let you balance it on a Wimberley head or tripod mount it to the lens, like a still camera but shoot it like video....

You might be onto something here...

It will make sense using the Mysterium (or updated reincarnation) in Scarlet for capturing full-res stills, while the "pocket" size limits the internal storage (read RAID speed), therefore allowing to capture "only" 2K while in "cinema" mode...

Having said that - I had back in 2002 working prototype capturing video to (computer) DRAM modules at 200 fps ("hybrid SD" @ 854x480) without compression. With todays SDRAM's exceeding 8GB and prices plummeting down one could get something like 32GB inside a "pocket" camera easily handling 2K at 120 fps or more. However SDRAM is way more expensive (because is way faster) then SSD's and the biggest issue is that need to be powered, or it looses its content...

But I certainly like the idea for having one camera doing both stills and video (film) without compromising either. I do use my battery of Canon L-glass for both my still cameras and video, but have to carry the bodies of both types with me - not to mention the assortment of accessories...

Since Jim has ton of the best glass from Canon (including one of the 1200mm - only about 10 of these are out there in the wild...) - I hope there will be option for Canon mount (and others - don't wanna get stoned by Nikon-otaku's :ninja: )...

Eric Lange
04-12-2008, 09:15 AM
1) 4K cmos (most of processing on reverse side of chip)
2) 1 digital i/o
3) recofigurable lens mount
4) Mainly targeted for use in effects and industry/specialised coomercial apps
5) 5 1/2" chooped version of Red One
6) $8990.00

donatello b
04-12-2008, 09:46 AM
humm .. a wild guess
reel stream (andromeda/scuptureHD) had something to with it ???

Matt Gottshalk
04-12-2008, 10:34 AM
Not soon enough...

Jim

QFTMFT....lol

Johan Malmsten
04-12-2008, 11:00 AM
It'll be RED's first GREEN camera - powered completely by hand-crank (licensed from Kinetta (http://www.kinetta.com/) of course)

hehehe... but now I seriously got to thinking...

Any way to actually get hand-cranked filming maybe? (for all those that wanna do Tony Scott-Jerkyness:biggrin: )

I mean... slaving framerate to a jog-wheel or something... should be easy to do I reckon... as an add on with the right firmware enableds, right? y'know... RedCrank? ;)

If scarlet's under 5 grand I'll start saving right now...

Jiri Bakala
04-12-2008, 12:01 PM
2k CMOS
built-in lens
$5-6k
The look of the S8mm cameras

Bryan Bishop
04-12-2008, 02:07 PM
That S8 style cam would be a Dream Machine for many people.

Jim has said it won't compete with the ONE, which keeps leading me back to a fixed lens device... it's the only real way to ensure that the product wouldn't cannibalize ONE sales.

The "new product category" comments have also been pretty interesting, and in line with your S8 idea. Right now the prosumer cameras are very strong, but aren't truly "pro" in design or execution. If a smallish fixed lens device can deliver Red-quality 2k images in a small form factor (and I may have already jumped the shark right there) at a $5-$10k price point (perhaps even more jumping?) Red will have an enormous hit on their hands.

Furthermore, such a device will begin to make Redcode a much more ubiquitous format, which will lead to more One sales as filmmakers come up having learned how to do great work on Scarlet.

Peter Majtan
04-13-2008, 08:59 AM
That S8 style cam would be a Dream Machine for many people.

I like that too...


Jim has said it won't compete with the ONE, which keeps leading me back to a fixed lens device... it's the only real way to ensure that the product wouldn't cannibalize ONE sales.

One of the things Jim also mentioned is that it will render obsolesce obsolete - now fixed-lens camera somehow does not fit in that scenario. Also I don't know of any "PRO" cine-camera that has a fixed lens. Many people expect it to have interchangeable lens-mounts, yet there are plenty who still wants RED ONE regardless of Scarlet - just see this:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11180


The "new product category" comments have also been pretty interesting, and in line with your S8 idea. Right now the prosumer cameras are very strong, but aren't truly "pro" in design or execution. If a smallish fixed lens device can deliver Red-quality 2k images in a small form factor (and I may have already jumped the shark right there) at a $5-$10k price point (perhaps even more jumping?) Red will have an enormous hit on their hands.

Huge part of what gives "quality" to cinematic images is the glass. This will again go against the idea of fixed-lens...


Furthermore, such a device will begin to make Redcode a much more ubiquitous format, which will lead to more One sales as filmmakers come up having learned how to do great work on Scarlet.

You are right, but same will apply to interchangeable-lens model. The key here is going to be modularity and pro quality in a very affordable price-range...

planet e
04-13-2008, 10:43 AM
the thing that impresses me most about RED is that, regardless of its bugs or its flaws or its quirks (mini connectors, anyone?), you can still see the intelligence behind the design. what RED has done is say, "Let's re-think everything, no stone unturned, from the ground up, start fresh" instead of attempting to improve on existing models.

i think that SCARLET will also be a total re-think, not a dumbed-down RED or an EX-1/HVX killer. jim mentioned that this was the "most interesting" project that he had worked on, and a visionary is not going to be satisfied by re-packaging the existing thinking, even his own, into something smaller.

there's no way to reconcile his comments about how SCARLET "won't compete" with RED ONE just by offering a smaller package, unless it does something different. he is more about inventing spaces than competing in spaces, and i don't think he would bother with SCARLET unless it was inventing a space. just as he invented the 4K mass market, he is going to invent something new with SCARLET...that's why i'm pounding the table on an industry-defining still/video hybrid.

to stay with the thread's format, so as not to stray too far from the original contest

1) won't compete with RED ONE
2) won't be whatever we think it is
3) fits the apparent half-joke about a Motion Capture Camera
4) invents a new market for a not yet fully imagined user base
5) has the capacity to sell a lot more RED-developed lenses, RED gets focused on for its value as a recording device, but they are certainly revolutionizing the high-end lens industry and stand to sell a lot more of these than they will cameras

Ultimately they will be a lens company as much as a camera company, probably this will become the weightier part of their business model...you can make a camera that will "render obsolescence obsolete" but we lens junkies will always be adding and trading around good glass...

i just don't think RED is going to sink a bunch of R&D into developing lens technologies and then add a fixed lens...

6) the SCARLET hybrid will be able to be used by still photogs, as an indie filmmaker's 2K dream, and also by RED ONE users to mount on cranes or in tight spaces, as a 2K B-roll cam. it will have multi-use flexibility while creating a whole new market of users.

everyone will be happy.

plus, he has said that he will be able to produce these at scale from the get-go, and that will probably mean partnering with someone bigger.

where do i go to collect my prize?

if this isn't SCARLET, then maybe jim will have to start a project called VERMILLION or TERRA COTTA or PINK or RUBY....someone better start trademarking like crazy...

batutta
04-13-2008, 11:16 AM
A VERY wild stab in the dark--

It's nothing but a CMOS imaging block with an interchangeable lens mount and a firewire 800 or ESATA port. The camera connects straight into a laptop, which handles all the compression and capturing.

Akcelik
04-13-2008, 11:20 AM
the Man already said it was gonna do Raw!!! :shiftyph34r:

2k
s16
variable
interchangeable
$10.000 is a prize in itself

planet e
04-13-2008, 11:21 AM
and one more thing -- it will be priced in-line with still cameras, not video cameras. in keeping with revolutionary pricing, it will offer more, but be priced less than, say, high-end Canon still cameras. So body-only it will be in the 5K-6K range. And at that price, if it can do everything a 5D can do, plus shoot 2K REDCODE RAW, it will be the bargain of the century.

Michael Althaus
04-13-2008, 12:29 PM
-2k
-35mm sized sensor
-different lens mounts available
-records to flash memory cards
-up to 120fps
-7000 USD

Probably this is all wishful thinking...

deepcode
04-13-2008, 12:54 PM
- 2k
- S16 or 2/3 sized sensor
- interchangable lenses
- SxS Card Recording like Sony, but also with standard cards and accepts all kinds of SxS media (Flash, Hard Drives, CF-adapters, maybe Network ? ..)
- up 100 fps @720p, 60 fps @2k, depends on card speed
- redcode raw (I guess it is confirmed yet ?)
- good to handle, but smaller than HVX / EX-1
- 4 ch 24bit Audio, uncompressed, 2 channels with Mic preamps and Limiter, 2 channels for line input. Mini XLR.
- HDMI Output standard, SDI + Timecode / Genlock Board optional
- Body / Set w/o Lens: 6500 USD, Basic Zoom "Kit" Lens with Autofocus, comparable to the EX1 Glass: +1500 USD

Shawn Nelson
04-13-2008, 07:52 PM
what if its a 'pocket' camera not in size, but that it IS a pocket, that you could change out the sensor on the field by dropping other modules into it?

Bing Bailey
04-13-2008, 08:01 PM
then we can just wash the sensor in soapy water when it gets all dirty like :) LOL

P Andersson
04-13-2008, 08:19 PM
The look of the S8mm cameras

would be amazing to buy back the form factor of the super 8 camera I learned to use when I was ten years old, and shoot amazing quality footage with it

Jannard
04-13-2008, 10:38 PM
OK... final clue. We mean "coat pocket".

Jim

Ameer Azari
04-13-2008, 10:42 PM
OK... final clue. We mean "coat pocket".

Jim

WOAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! :blink:

Ameer Azari
04-13-2008, 10:42 PM
He stole's it from our pocketses!! Nasty Hobbti!!

Jannard
04-13-2008, 10:48 PM
Scarlet will not fit in your shirt pocket...

Jim

Ameer Azari
04-13-2008, 10:49 PM
Scarlet will not fit in your shirt pocket...

Jim

Okay, now I'm just gonna stalk you...

zecahue
04-13-2008, 10:55 PM
2/3" CCD
2K
Raw
Panasonic HSC1U size or a bit bigger
fixed 28mm-280mm(35mm equiv.)
card recorder
5k $
no more....

Ameer Azari
04-13-2008, 11:05 PM
All I know now is that it's 2K and Under $10K "definitely"

peter roehsler
04-14-2008, 03:21 AM
form factor?

Peter Majtan
04-15-2008, 08:37 PM
CONCLUSION:

Since no-one has guessed the 5+1, the price goes unclaimed...

However (As salut to Jim & all the indies out there) - we will offer the same* price (FREE postproduction in 3K* DCI for an independent short (up to 10 min), including audio and final mastering (value of over $ 15000,- USD)...) to the first fortunate owner of Scarlet who goes out there and shoots his short! Original script with a single still image from each scene proving You have finished the shooting will be required. As soon as someone claims the price - we will announce it here in this thread, elsewhere on this forum and also on our website to prevent You from sending stuff without reason...

Furthermore, as "Thank You" for participating in this thread, we will offer every person who participated 50% discount on our POSTPRODUCTION services for their first indie short (up to 10 min final edit) shoot on Scarlet (or RED ONE / EPIC).

*By the time Scarlet is available, we will be able to handle 3K (and 4K) workflow - for now "just" 2K...

Until then...

Peter