SCRATCH-CINE is here...

[Lucas Wilson]

Hey guys,

So... first of all... SCRATCH-CINE lists at US $ 17,500.

Think of SCRATCH-CINE as a RED Deck, or a Virtual Telecine. It can do everything that SCRATCH can do except for the color layering stuff. It can do all the following:

1) Full Conform from R3D at 4K via EDL or ALE
2) Full Background XML ingest and automation
3) SDI output, either single-link or dual-link. This can feed a deck, monitor, or projector.
4) Deck control for layoff - from NTSC and PAL to 4:4:4 HD-RGB
5) Primary Color Correction - including Lift/Gamma/Gain, RGB Offset, HSL, and Pre-Gain control
6) 1D and 3D LUT import and export
7) Full rendering module to DPX, TIFF, QT, etc.
8) Background Rendering
9) Editorial Timeline for slip/slide/trim, and standard editorial features, including transitions and motion effects
10) OFX Plugin Modules
11) Metadata Burn-in capability

SCRATCH-CINE supports R3D and Quicktime ingest.

We designed this product very specifically to effectively and decisively deal with RED Dailies, Conform, and Output.

We have tightly tested and partnered with BOXX and other hardware vendors to provide a seamless solution with the new Skulltrail systems. So this software functionality plus realtime 1/2 Rez High output from the Skulltrail systems combined with an NVidia 4600-SDI... turnkey hardware + software for US$ 31,995.

Now... if you think of this as a RED Deck and compare... try to get even something simple like a Digibeta for 30K. How about D5, or HDCAM-SR? : )

Or if you're shooting film, a Spirit Datacine only costs about a million or so to set up.

This is an incredible deal for post houses and other post professionals that need a solid solution for RED dailies, RED conform, and basic color grading. We've already had an amazing amount of interest, and you can see from the Press Release that several substantial companies have thrown their weight behind it.

We worked very closely with our customers and many RED customers, and got a lot of great feedback from RED, and we are very excited about this product!

We hope you will be too...

Best,

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Simon Blackledge]

any Quicktime codec supported for ingest?


s

[Casey Green]

Thanks Luki. This looks like a great product / price. ($17,500 sounds familiar... not sure why.) :)

Looking forward to seeing a demo at NAB.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks Luki.

[Andrew M.]

This is music to my ears...

All plug-ins will work with it?

[Chris Parker]

if this is the shit i'm hearing about pre-NAB, that is nuts.

i have a feeling this is gonna be one crazy year there....

nice nice product...

[Adam Glick]

any Quicktime codec supported for ingest?


s

Hi flameop,

Maybe I'm not understanding the question but I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "ingest".

A Scratch Cine system is designed to work with .r3d files generated by the camera.

These files may be moved onto the system (or simply played out) from any firewire 400/800 or USB 2.0 storage device -inlcuding the RED DRIVE.

Alternately, an Ethernet connection or fibre channel HBA may be used if your .r3d footage exists on the local network or SAN.

Users of Scratch Cine should have no need for "ingesting" QT files but will have no problem quickly transcoding the original .r3d footage into QT files*.

*(obviously, ProRes will not be supported)


Adam
BOXXlabs

[Chris Parker]

oohh. no prores???

[laguun]

oohh. no prores???
Apple locks prores to OSX only, to be precise OSX and FCS2 only, scratch is windows.

to boxxlabs: I suppose what flameop wanted to know is if there is -import/ingest- of non redcode formats into the system. Nacho was speaking about "certified" hardware - is it available as software only or only with the pc from boxx?

[Kreisky]

hi luki.....

[Bruce Allen]

oohh. no prores???

No, and it's out of Assimilate's hands because Apple doesn't make the ProRes codec available outside Final Cut Studio - to either Apple or Windows users. It is an unbelievable pain in the ass.

Avid DNxHD on the other hand is freely-downloadable, cross-platform, comparable quality, supports alpha channels, has a cool offline mode as well and has been around longer. We used it for trailers printing to film back in 2005 I think.

Hopefully people will start telling Apple they're going to switch back to Avid unless Apple ups their game on this. Competition is good.

Otherwise, looks like a good system, Assimilate! So, can someone install an editing system (Premiere, Avid?) on that box as well? I guess you wouldn't recommend it but it would be possible, right?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Greg Huson]

Hey Lucas

I'm poking through the Assimilate Site right now, so this info might be there, but I'm wondering if you're also generating XML or ALE or flex files for ingest INTO Avid- (XML can be converted to ALE by Rainer's XMiL, and probably other programs) which would allow Avid users to trace back to the R3D files if they needed to later. In other words, someone makes a SR tape, and maybe even a downconvert to, say DV or HDCam or whatever from that, then ingests into Avid, then later, wants to find R3ds for 4k or maybe the effects house or something. Does that work when generating output-to-tape?
Can't wait to see this thing working!

gh

[Stacey Spears]

Users of Scratch Cine should have no need for "ingesting" QT files but will have no problem quickly transcoding the original .r3d footage into QT files*.

I believe the reason for asking is that if you offline in FCP and export an EDL, you can also export a QT. Then when you conform in SCRATCH, you have the QT file to compare against.

Lucas,

1. Can I use a control surface with SCRATCH CINE? ie JL Cooper or Tangent?
2. What is the migration path to full SCRATCH? e.g. If I want to simply add Scaffolds in the future, can I add just that module? Or must I first move to a different base of SCRATCH.

This sounds like a great product and will probably be where I start.

[Dj Joofa]

No, and it's out of Assimilate's hands because Apple doesn't make the ProRes codec available outside Final Cut Studio - to either Apple or Windows users. It is an unbelievable pain in the ass.



But on Apple Mac, it should be possible to write an application/plugin that uses ProRes Quicktime component to write a mov QT file using ProRes. I am still on FCP 5.1.4, and don't have FCS 2, and therefore no ProRes codec, otherwise I could have varified it for you. But I see no reason why ProRes codec can't be used like any QT component, unless Apple has put something in ProRes Quicktime component that only works with FCP.

[Mark Crabtree]

I have a Mac Pro with a Kona 3 and Final Cut Studio, RedCine and Crimson loaded on it, what can this scratch system do that this set up can not?

[laguun]

But on Apple Mac, it should be possible to write an application/plugin that uses ProRes Quicktime component to write a mov QT file using ProRes. I am still on FCP 5.1.4, and don't have FCS 2, and therefore no ProRes codec, otherwise I could have varified it for you. But I see no reason why ProRes codec can't be used like any QT component, unless Apple has put something in ProRes Quicktime component that only works with FCP.
Hi joofa,
scratch is windows, and apple decided to lock windows out of prores.

[Greg Huson]

I have a Mac Pro with a Kona 3 and Final Cut Studio, RedCine and Crimson loaded on it, what can this scratch system do that this set up can not?

Realtime 2k no render, reliably to tape, if I understand correctly.

[Dylan Reeve]

But on Apple Mac, it should be possible to write an application/plugin that uses ProRes Quicktime component to write a mov QT file using ProRes. I am still on FCP 5.1.4, and don't have FCS 2, and therefore no ProRes codec, otherwise I could have varified it for you. But I see no reason why ProRes codec can't be used like any QT component, unless Apple has put something in ProRes Quicktime component that only works with FCP.

I can be. But Scratch is PC only. Also, the ProRes codec is only available as part of the FCP/FCS package, not available separately at all.

So even if it did run on a Mac, you would have to have a copy of FCP on there, as, unlikely Avid, you can only install FCP on one machine at a time.

Anyone tried using Avid DNxHD codecs with FCP? I know it will play with them and stuff, but can you actually do projects in DNxHD in FCP?

[Dj Joofa]

Also, the ProRes codec is only available as part of the FCP/FCS package, not available separately at all.


Yes, you are right, but if ProRes QT component is installed in /Library/QuickTime, then it may be easily used by those applications on the same computer where FCP/FCS is installed.

I wrote a quick "test" application that may be obtained at the following link that will let one encode to any QT codec in a mov file, and users can see if ProRes codec can be used outside of FCP or not:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/7051_1207698857.zip

Just unzip the file available at the above link and in a Terminal prompt use the following command:

./test in_qt_file out_qt_file

and it shall throw the following dialog box:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/7051_1207699028.jpg

This is the standard file display format for QT codec selection and see if you can see ProRes codec by clicking on the "Settings" button.

I created this "test" application very quickly after seeing Bruce's response and I have not done any error checking. It shall throw some debug information on the command prompt also.

[Anders Holck]

ProRess does come up in every standard Quicktime export dialog.
Buy you need a valid FCS2 license for it to initialize and appear.

So without FCS2 installed you are still fckd.

[Dylan Reeve]

...and copying it, of course would be illegal (or a breach of your EULA, with whatever legal weight that actually holds).

[Dj Joofa]

Hi joofa,
scratch is windows, and apple decided to lock windows out of prores.

Thanks Laguun for the information. I was not aware that ProRes was not available with Quicktime on Windows. Apple is getting too controlling!

[laguun]

Thanks Laguun for the information. I was not aware that ProRes was not available with Quicktime on Windows. Apple is getting too controlling!
yup, closed fileformats are out of fashion for good reasons since the 90ties. Even Avid and Sony understood that.

[Brian Ferguson]

I was just thinking about all of this Pro Rez talk and it seems to me (maybe this has been mentioned) that you output from the Scratch Cine into a AJA IO and blamo instants FCP prorez use Scratch as a playback deck and capture with FCP and AJA. Simple.

[Sven Seynaeve]

Very nice sollution, and the answer on what many have asked.

But a real 4k output on the scratch system with 4hdsdi or dvi would have made me happier instead of a scaledown version of your excisting product.

No offense to the future owners of this thing, which could include myself maby.

Hope you start to listen a little more for a 4k sollution or try to do the best you can to convince and talk with partners to get this done hopefully sooner than later.

[Dj Joofa]

ProRess does come up in every standard Quicktime export dialog.
Buy you need a valid FCS2 license for it to initialize and appear.

So without FCS2 installed you are still fckd.

And,


...and copying it, of course would be illegal (or a breach of your EULA, with whatever legal weight that actually holds).

Oh no, that was not the point. The point was on those computers where FCP/FCS is properly installed can other developers/applications take advantage of the ProRes QT component supplied by Apple without resorting to FCP?

That is why I created that quick "test" application to test it.

BTW that "test" application is fully functional and those users who do not have Pro version of Quicktime can use it to transcode any QT mov file into a QT mov file with a different codec.

[Lucas Wilson]

This is music to my ears...

All plug-ins will work with it?

As long as they are OpenFX and currently supported... yes.

Lucas

[Lucas Wilson]

I believe the reason for asking is that if you offline in FCP and export an EDL, you can also export a QT. Then when you conform in SCRATCH, you have the QT file to compare against.

Lucas,

1. Can I use a control surface with SCRATCH CINE? ie JL Cooper or Tangent?
2. What is the migration path to full SCRATCH? e.g. If I want to simply add Scaffolds in the future, can I add just that module? Or must I first move to a different base of SCRATCH.

This sounds like a great product and will probably be where I start.

Stacey,

1. Yes.
2. I'll let you know soon. : )

Lucas

[Lucas Wilson]

Hey Lucas

I'm poking through the Assimilate Site right now, so this info might be there, but I'm wondering if you're also generating XML or ALE or flex files for ingest INTO Avid- (XML can be converted to ALE by Rainer's XMiL, and probably other programs) which would allow Avid users to trace back to the R3D files if they needed to later. In other words, someone makes a SR tape, and maybe even a downconvert to, say DV or HDCam or whatever from that, then ingests into Avid, then later, wants to find R3ds for 4k or maybe the effects house or something. Does that work when generating output-to-tape?
Can't wait to see this thing working!

gh

Hey Greg,

Two parts to your answer:

Yes. SCRATCH-CINE can export an ALE with all relevant metadata.

But, a better way to do it would be to use SCRATCH-CINE's Regen Source-TC to tape to create and editorial master. The path here would be:

1) Load R3D into SCRATCH-CINE
2) Sort the SCRATCH-CINE timeline by SourceTC. You can sort a Construct (timeline) by ascending SourceTC.
3) Output to tape with Regen SourceTC. What this does is layoff discontiguous timecode to tape, but it lays down the *sourceTC* of the R3D files, and in ascending order so you can always find a clip.
4) This way, the sourceTC that is on the tape *is* the sourceTC on the R3D files.

Since SCRATCH-CINE can also do metadata burn-in, apply LUTs, primary color correction, and resize... all on the fly...

You could load R3D files into SCRATCH-CINE, resize them to NTSC, add burn-in, do a quick grade, and add 3:2 on the fly to play out in *realtime* from the 1/2 rez high layer of the R3D files.

This is part of why we are so excited about this. It allows for realtime layoffs from R3D to any tape format, with an awful lot of realtime processing, at a very high quality level.

Best,

Lucas

[Lucas Wilson]

I have a Mac Pro with a Kona 3 and Final Cut Studio, RedCine and Crimson loaded on it, what can this scratch system do that this set up can not?

1) Realtime layoff to tape from 1/2 rez high quality. The highest quality level available in realtime from FCS is medium quality. There is a big difference.

2) Native R3D support for panel-based color correction.

3) Full rendering to DPX, TIFF, etc. from the full 4K layer of the R3D files.

4) 1D and 3D LUT support

5) ALE import and export for Avid interoperability

6) realtime up-rez, down-rez and mixed format timelines from a mix of 2K, 3K, and 4K R3D to video output.

7) 32-bit float processing all the way through the pipeline, regardless of color, dissolves, resize, etc.

That's a few for you.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

[roryhinds]

ProRes is Mac Intel only.
Assimilate are PC only.

[Peace Villow]

Hi Lucas,
I'm new here and very interested with Scratch.
It's a great and innovative DI software.
I must say that you guys at Assimilate are very talented.

Based on your first post, I assumed that Scratch Cine can do all things that Scratch do without the Scaffolds module right?

If it's right, can we say that Scratch Cine is actually a Scratch without the Scaffolds module?
Or are there some tools & function that only Scratch Cine have?

If there are some tools & function that only available in Scratch Cine, do they still available if I upgrade the software to Scratch Finishing?

In other words, if I buy the Scratch Cine and then I upgrade it to Scratch Finishing will it have additional tools & function that I can't get if I buy a new Scratch Finishing only?

Thanks.

[Rune Hansen]

ProRes is Mac Intel only.
Assimilate are PC only.

Note that EVS (maker of high end broadcast servers) have announced and shown QuickTime ProRes support by licencing the ProRes codec from Apple.

http://www.evs.tv/America/English/News/News/Press+Releases/Press+Release/page.aspx/1771?newsitem=1879

They are running on PC+Windows.

--
Rune Hansen
Simplemente
Mexico
Red 84X, 85X

[Torrey Loomis]

Folks,

We've got our SCRATCH-CINE info up here:

http://silverado.cc/shop/home.php?cat=8

Please note our prices are slightly higher since they include support, and the hardware bundle is 5600 SDI based--not 4600.

Torrey
-----------------------------------------------
Torrey Loomis
President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
Outfitter to the World's Foremost Apple Professionals
2600 East Bidwell Street, Suite 280
Folsom, CA 95630
(916) 760-0032 • FAX (916) 404-5258
tloomis@silverado.cc
http://www.Silverado.cc

Check out the Silverado 4k Market at http://www.silverado.cc

[Rainer Fritz]

will scratch run on a intel mac with bootcamp and xp installed???

[Simon Blackledge]

Quote
SCRATCH-CINE supports R3D and Quicktime ingest.

So.. it ingests Quicktime ? ie uncompressed 10bit 444 to mixed with red to conform ?

no everything in an edit is RED.. ie vfx gfx etc ..

I don't mean capture from tape Adam.. just if the QT file is on the machine.. can I load that QT file as well as the red r3d ?

cheers

s

[Sanjin Jukic]

will scratch run on a intel mac with bootcamp and xp installed???

It will Rainer.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Laphroaig_studio2.jpg
Scratch 3.8 running on Mac Book Pro 17".

Cheers.

[laguun]

will scratch run on a intel mac with bootcamp and xp installed???

it should.
However, no 2K, HD-SDI and PAL/NTSC output.

To understand the offer better i would like to know if scratch cine can:
- load & playback dpx/QT etc
- and can ingest from HDCAM (SR) / other 1080P/2K sources via HD-SDI.

[Fredrik Harreschou]

Laguun, flameop, pvillow etc:
AFAIK the main difference is that you can only import R3D files.
Output to any format, no ingest (SCRATCH doesn't ingest anyways) or other formats in the timeline - and no scaffolds (camera/z-space/texture).

So for a finish solution with secondaries and, maybe more importantly, mixed media, you need the full SCRATCH.

[EdCaracappa]

Sorry for any confusion on pricing from BOXX. The turnkey solution with SCRATCH-CINE is $31,995. It includes an nvidia FX5600SDI card, has a 3 year warranty and support. You can also lease this solution from us for as low as $999/mo.

Ed

Ed Caracappa
Director of Business Development
BOXX Technologies
512-225-6313
ed@boxxtech.com

[Peace Villow]

To understand the offer better i would like to know if scratch cine can:
- load & playback dpx/QT etc
- and can ingest from HDCAM (SR) / other 1080P/2K sources via HD-SDI.
Lucas said at the first post:
"SCRATCH-CINE supports R3D and Quicktime ingest."

AFAIK, HD-SDI via Quadro card is output only.

[Peace Villow]

Laguun, flameop, pvillow etc:
AFAIK the main difference is that you can only import R3D files.
Output to any format, no ingest (SCRATCH doesn't ingest anyways) or other formats in the timeline - and no scaffolds (camera/z-space/texture).

So for a finish solution with secondaries and, maybe more importantly, mixed media, you need the full SCRATCH.
But Lucas said at the first post:
"SCRATCH-CINE supports R3D and Quicktime ingest."

[Lucas Wilson]

Laguun, flameop, pvillow etc:
AFAIK the main difference is that you can only import R3D files.
Output to any format, no ingest (SCRATCH doesn't ingest anyways) or other formats in the timeline - and no scaffolds (camera/z-space/texture).

So for a finish solution with secondaries and, maybe more importantly, mixed media, you need the full SCRATCH.

Hi Fredrik!

Let me clarify:

1) SCRATCH-CINE can import R3D via the Load Shot or Load Layer command, so you can bring in hundreds of R3D files at once.

2) SCRATCH-CINE can import Quicktime via Load Shot but not Load Layer. This allows SCRATCH-CINE to import Quicktimes as a reference cut or a few Quicktimes to check different cuts.

3) Output to data is to any file format via Process and the normal rendering options.

4) Output to video for tape layoff or projector is supported for any video format from NTSC/PAL to 2048x1080 dual-link RGB. For NTSC and PAL, proper cadence is inserted in realtime during layoff from a 24fps sequence.

5) Mixed media is not supported other than R3D and Quicktime. DPX, TIFF ingest is not supported.

6) SCAFFOLDS (the color layering engine in SCRATCH) is not supported in SCRATCH-CINE.

SCRATCH-CINE is *not* a "poor man's SCRATCH." It was designed for a fairly specific purpose - as a "RED Deck" - and to provide an easy, effective, and fairly low-cost method to fully conform and output R3D files to data or tape from a very high quality decode.

Just since yesterday, we are getting a *ton* of calls and emails... People seem to like what they hear and read. : )

Best,

Lucas

[Cüneyt Kaya]

congrats lucas...

one/two questions?
Whats the difference to RED PrePost? How do this Products separate in their Modules?
upgrade is possible i think...?

[Jeremy Neish]

As soon as there's a Mac version, you have my money.

[Dave French]

Does Scratch Cine support audio in the R3d file? Can you output that audio to HDCAM, SR or out for your dailies?

Dave

[M Most]

As soon as there's a Mac version, you have my money.

Even if Assimilate was willing to port the code base, there cannot be a Mac version of this product unless and/or until Apple can support a QuadroFX SDI video card.

[Fredrik Harreschou]

Hi Fredrik!

Let me clarify:

2) SCRATCH-CINE can import Quicktime via Load Shot but not Load Layer. This allows SCRATCH-CINE to import Quicktimes as a reference cut or a few Quicktimes to check different cuts.


Best,

Lucas

OK, I see. I had other info from a "trusted source"... ; )

Cheers,
Fredrik

[Mark L. Pederson]

Note that EVS (maker of high end broadcast servers) have announced and shown QuickTime ProRes support by licencing the ProRes codec from Apple.

http://www.evs.tv/America/English/News/News/Press+Releases/Press+Release/page.aspx/1771?newsitem=1879

They are running on PC+Windows.

--
Rune Hansen
Simplemente
Mexico
Red 84X, 85X

Nope. They are not decoding on Windows.

It is just a capture card in the IP Director chassis, being fed by 1 of the baseband outputs of the XT.

[Kreisky]

6) SCAFFOLDS (the color layering engine in SCRATCH) is not supported in SCRATCH-CINE.


.........................:angry03:

[Seth Larney]

Folks,

We've got our SCRATCH-CINE info up here:

http://silverado.cc/shop/home.php?cat=8

Please note our prices are slightly higher since they include support, and the hardware bundle is 5600 SDI based--not 4600.

Torrey
-----------------------------------------------
Torrey Loomis
President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
Outfitter to the World's Foremost Apple Professionals
2600 East Bidwell Street, Suite 280
Folsom, CA 95630
(916) 760-0032 • FAX (916) 404-5258
tloomis@silverado.cc
http://www.Silverado.cc

Check out the Silverado 4k Market at http://www.silverado.cc

Hi torster,

I'm wondering if it is possible to purchase the hardware from this setup for use with a pre-existing Scratch finishing license ?

Cheers,
Seth.

[Torrey Loomis]

Seth,

Absolutely...give me a couple hours and I'll have that workstation up on the site.

Tor

[Torrey Loomis]

Seth,

Here it is:

http://silverado.cc/shop/product.php?productid=1014

I'll follow up to your email as well.

Torrey

[Trevor Meier]

No output to ProRes kills this for me... it cuts out the most demanded workflow option - ScratchCine on-set laying off dailies & ProRes for offline editorial in Final Cut, then conforming via ScratchCine to output files for the online.

ProRes is the lynchpin of a good Final Cut offline/online workflow... no ProRes in ScratchCine means I have to use other tools. I would rather pay $30K per station (and I'd buy two right now, with two or three more down the road) than build it myself, but Assimilate/Apple has cut out that workflow option for me.

And forget laying to tape... a very big, network TV show greenlit today with us for RED and zero tape involved.

[Seth Larney]

Seth,

Here it is:

http://silverado.cc/shop/product.php?productid=1014

I'll follow up to your email as well.

Torrey

Thanks Torrey :)

[Greg Huson]

And forget laying to tape... a very big, network TV show greenlit today with us for RED and zero tape involved.

WHAT??? Which network is accepting delivery on something other than tape? And what is that something? What are you delivering for negative, for promo, for dailies? Even friggin' MTV makes their producers turn in the 'negative' - this is a major hold up with non-tape non-film acquisition. What will you be delivering???

[Trevor Meier]

Delivery is still tape but delivery isn't happening through Scratch... sorry for the confusion. What I should've said is there's no tape anywhere except deliverables.

[Adam Glick]

No output to ProRes kills this for me... it cuts out the most demanded workflow option - ScratchCine on-set laying off dailies & ProRes for offline editorial in Final Cut, then conforming via ScratchCine to output files for the online.

ProRes is the lynchpin of a good Final Cut offline/online workflow... no ProRes in ScratchCine means I have to use other tools. I would rather pay $30K per station (and I'd buy two right now, with two or three more down the road) than build it myself, but Assimilate/Apple has cut out that workflow option for me.

And forget laying to tape... a very big, network TV show greenlit today with us for RED and zero tape involved.

I don't think Scratch Cine was designed to be used as an on-set tool.

If you need ProRes cutting copies (or whatever), just take the .r3d files to a Scratch Cine box back at your facility, and play out the shots via HD-SDI to your Kona-equipped MacPro. Ingest as ProRes.

Bam. Realtime HD or 2K ProRes.

It's not the most elegant solution in the world but it gets the job done a heckofalot faster than if you had to do a software transcode to ProRes using RedCine or compressor.

Is this not a workflow worth considering?

[Mark L. Pederson]

Is this not a workflow worth considering?

We've done it - and I am very fond of it actually.

[Trevor Meier]

But that requires two tools (to purchase, maintain, train) to do what the first one should do. I want Scratch Cine to work for me... but two boxes and realtime layoff using Final Cut as a deck is not a rock-solid, do-it-everyday workflow.

It's less pain to bake proxies to ProRes using Compressor, grade & re-bake if necessary (ie. day for night) and save the look for the online. It doesn't avoid the pain of an eventual RedCine render before online... but it's less painful during production.

BUT if ScratchCine had ProRes (which means working on the mac platform) I'd be much happier.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

congrats lucas...

one/two questions?
Whats the difference to RED PrePost? How do this Products separate in their Modules?
upgrade is possible i think...?

i should read......first
then ask

Scratch Cine faq on assimiliates site fyi

[Chris Parker]

i also wish scratch cine had prores.

lots of avid editors where i am still though that the tape dailies are still a necessity for

[laguun]

No output to ProRes kills this for me... it cuts out the most demanded workflow option - ScratchCine on-set laying off dailies & ProRes for offline editorial in Final Cut, then conforming via ScratchCine to output files for the online.

ProRes is the lynchpin of a good Final Cut offline/online workflow... no ProRes in ScratchCine means I have to use other tools. I would rather pay $30K per station (and I'd buy two right now, with two or three more down the road) than build it myself, but Assimilate/Apple has cut out that workflow option for me.

And forget laying to tape... a very big, network TV show greenlit today with us for RED and zero tape involved.

For ProRes, i think you probably want to go with Speedgrade XR on OSX, its multiplatform (win/osx/linux).
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11587

Its not Assimilates fault that cine cant do prores, thats by the will of Apple, as they want to lock anyone besides FCS2 owners on OSX out of Prores.

[Mat@imageWork]

Hi Lucas,

I can see the Scratch workflow is closed. That means we can't post, or the thread is dead. We start a small R&D project to make scratch cine, FCP and Smoke work together for mid-end to high-end market...We gonna have tons of question and problem and quality test in real commercial context. You thing it is possible to have demo of Scratch Cine? A place to post?

Thanks mathieu

[trevora]

EVS have prores on their XT2 servers... that's a DDR that records HDSDI in and stores the files in a choice of different formats, including DNXHD for Avid workflows and ProRes for FCP workflows.

It's primarily used in Sports OBs - for camera replays etc, but also used as a source for on site edits. Files are squirted across to the Edit SAN and are accessible whilst being copied. It can also record direct to the Edit SAN without tieing up edit stations.

For Avid it has needed Media Manager or Interplay to work in the past, not sure if this is still the case. For FCP I think it works as a direct connection.

So ProRes on Windows (the XT2 recently moved from DOS to Win2K I think) is a possibility, depending on how important it seems to Apple (or how much they make out of it). I would guess the former as the OB editing market is not insignificant, and EVS are already all over the acquisition side of it.

[percy fung]

Any new REDBoxx only here.
Would like to learn your experience

How does it being different from the Silverado package.
If the info is not as good to post here, please advise me at percy@i-magic.com.hk

I based in Hong Kong

[Erik Greensmith]

Does Cine support playback of the embedded audio in the R3D?

[John Tissavary]

Not at this time.

JT

[Erik Greensmith]

soon? I'll purchase the second it's enabled.

[Lucas Wilson]

soon? I'll purchase the second it's enabled.

Yes - soon.

Can't give you a firm date, but trust me - we know how crucial this is.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Erik Greensmith]

Thanks, please keep us posted.

[John Tissavary]

That's great news, Lucas. I can't wait for that to be a reality.

cheers,

JT

[Fly Guy]

Lucas, for the embedded audio, do you know if it's gonna be included as a free update or we'll have to buy the whole thing again?

[Gunleik Groven]

How are you getting embedded audio out of the nVidea?

G

[Fredrik Harreschou]

Embedded in the R3D files, not embedded in the HD-SDI. You need an audio card in your SCRATCH box... ;)

Fredrik

[Lucas Wilson]

Lucas, for the embedded audio, do you know if it's gonna be included as a free update or we'll have to buy the whole thing again?

You will certainly not have to buy the whole thing again!! Embedded R3D audio support will be rolled into an upgrade that will be free, provided that maintenance/support is current.

But I do want to make it clear that does not mean embedded SDI audio. That is a whole different kettle of fish.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

[JD Marlow]

Any updates from Assimilate with regard to playing out embedded audio from R3D files in Scratch? Assuming, of course, I have a sound card built into my Scratch box.

Any more info would be very helpful.

Thanks!

[Adam Glick]

it works great.

[JD Marlow]

Does anyone have a solid list of Audio Cards that are compatible with the Scratch box that will allow for R3D embedded audio playdown?

[percy fung]

Does anybody whom could ingest HDSdi into a Scratch Real-time?
What would be your input device/card??

Percy

[Ryan Gaw]

quicktime support going the other way would be very valuable. This would address multiple format jobs. I am shooting red for some of my project and hd for the rest. I would think that there would be a ton of interest in a quicktime ingest or some sort of conversion to r3d. Am i Wrong?

[JD Marlow]

I'm not sure what the benefit would be to transcode back to R3D, even if it was possible. If you shot mixed format between Red and HD you'll probably end up on HD anyway, in which case you would be conforming your R3Ds to 1920x1080 REC709 color space for mastering to HDCAM, D5 or SR tape.

If, for some reason, you wanted to do a DI finish with your mixed format you could spit out DPX from your R3D via Monkey Frame or RedAlert! and do the HD video independently. You wouldn't need to make the HD video into R3D to do that.

[Alexander Serpico]

No output to ProRes kills this for me... it cuts out the most demanded workflow option

i agree this is a major down side... my workflow has been transcoding DNXHD in Final Cut (only FCP seems to not introduce the infamous gamma shift) to ProRes. It certainly is not ideal, but seems most efficient. Since i am new to Scratch, and the DNXHD export was put forth by others who have worked with the system for a while, i am curious to know if anyone else has another workflow that works better for them...

let me know if this is possible: it would be ideal if capture to a secondary machine with fcp over sdi with embedded source r3d timecode was possible. this would take any transcoding out of the equation...

thoughts?

[Behzad]

Hi
I have question, is there any place that I ca RENT Scratch cine??
Please let me know