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Cüneyt Kaya
04-15-2008, 07:55 AM
http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/mcurtis/story/red_one_news_builds_lenses_accessories/

Apple Color support - same way last year there was a demo of Redcode import into FCP, they are demonstrating native R3D support in Color. You can work with up to 2K resolution from 4K footage (only extracting the 2K layer from the wavelet). You can then work with that footage at 2K, 1080, 720, 480, whatever res you want that is below the 2K source extraction. But YES, you can bring your 4K Redcode RAW files into the future version of Apple’s Color and work with the full frame, but only at up to 2K deliverable. You can also access the source RAW metadata, just like on camera and in Red Alert/Redcine, to adjust Saturation, Exposure, Tint, Black Level, Exposure, RGB gains, etc. (No Brightness (gamma really) or Contrast (S-curve really), but you can do those with Color’s tools). Merely a technology demo, no ETA on ship date from Apple - so I’d GUESS in next major release, which could be what - NAB next year? Dunno, my guess, not based on hard data.

Red One Redcode RGB mode is still under development - read that two ways if you will - pessimistic - “darn, still not done/shipping!” or optimist - “GOOD - they are still working on it, it IS coming.”

Matthew Rogers
04-15-2008, 08:06 AM
This would be more exciting if they would actually get it out on the market in a month instead of the year that they will probably take.

Will have to stick with crimsonworkflow for right now!

Matthew

Cüneyt Kaya
04-15-2008, 08:07 AM
hey i woukd be happy about 3 months

Anders Holck
04-15-2008, 08:23 AM
Lets hope for IBC or earlier...

Steven-Marc C.
04-15-2008, 08:29 AM
If they are demonstrating it and it works, let's have that update on Apple's ftp today, even if it's still beta. Yah, I know, I'm dreaming.

Cüneyt Kaya
04-15-2008, 08:30 AM
If they are demonstrating it and it works, let's have that update on Apple's ftp today, even if it's still beta. Yah, I know, I'm dreaming.

i think apple can count on 1000 beta testers :)

Aiden Cornwell
04-15-2008, 08:38 AM
Adding this support should just be a update. I am so thrilled that this is coming though. Maybe they will up support to 3k native as well :biggrin:

jieves
04-15-2008, 09:16 AM
That's great that color will support R3Ds... but sounds like its only doing a 2k debayer from the 4k...

Anders Holck
04-15-2008, 09:19 AM
Hmm...I hope that part about being limited to 2k extraction is wrong. There is a clear advantage image quality wise when you do the full 4k decompression and debayer, when going for 2k mastering. Could it be that playback is realtime for 2k debayer like on the scratch, but there is still optional full 4k debayer for final render?

We need some screenshots :-)

Gunleik Groven
04-15-2008, 09:20 AM
well, those 4k proxies are meant for something...

Cüneyt Kaya
04-15-2008, 09:28 AM
nightmare would be if COLOR could read only the Proxies and not the RAW files---- always expecting the least after such an anouncement

CJ Roy
04-15-2008, 09:49 AM
well, those 4k proxies are meant for something...

I'm not sure what for. They're scaled up from the 2k proxies.


Full size quicktimes are a scale up, so they have the same actual resolution of the Half size. Just a way to get a proper size quicktime without needing to do the work, for when your recording smaller resolutions (ie 2k)

Gunleik Groven
04-15-2008, 09:53 AM
ahhh. Didn't know. Haven't played with them...

Thanks

CJ Roy
04-15-2008, 10:01 AM
And of course the proxy workflow is moot if your clients are demanding 16:9, like the last 4 out of 5, of mine.

Until that gets fixed, hopefully you'll be able to reference the R3D file with any clip, proxy or not, that shares the same name/number, etc.

I'm just looking forward to the true non-destructive coloring of the RAW, with outputs to an external monitor.

Cüneyt Kaya
04-15-2008, 10:03 AM
I'm not sure what for. They're scaled up from the 2k proxies.

i thought the 2k proxies were scaled up from the 1k proxies?

CJ Roy
04-15-2008, 10:20 AM
i thought the 2k proxies were scaled up from the 1k proxies?

Haha. And the 1k's are scaled up from....

Cüneyt Kaya
04-15-2008, 10:21 AM
Haha. And the 1k's are scaled up from....

could be :)

NateWeaver
04-15-2008, 11:36 PM
i thought the 2k proxies were scaled up from the 1k proxies?

Have you ever used the 2Ks? If you have, it's pretty clear they are not 1K scaled up.

Cüneyt Kaya
04-15-2008, 11:38 PM
Have you ever used the 2Ks? If you have, it's pretty clear they are not 1K scaled up.

nate i know how they are...subtle joking...hint hint...but thanks