Dolby Digital (cinema version) & Red Ray

[Adam Jeal]

The specs for Red Ray state that it will support 5.1 audio. My question is will there be an option in the unspecified Red Ray encoding software to allow people to marry their Dolby Digital Cinema mix to picture?

If indies (esp self-distributors) are going to use this as a play-out device for Digital Cinema Projection, having the ability to add a proper cinema mix is essential.

Of course, the ability to use the consumer version is very much needed too!

[Egil Odegard]

The specs for Red Ray state that it will support 5.1 audio. My question is will there be an option in the unspecified Red Ray encoding software to allow people to marry their Dolby Digital Cinema mix to picture?

If indies (esp self-distributors) are going to use this as a play-out device for Digital Cinema Projection, having the ability to add a proper cinema mix is essential.

Of course, the ability to use the consumer version is very much needed too!

5.1 is proper cinema mix, with digital cinema you will not have to pay for the Dolby license. Since you do not have a optical soundtrack working together (as back up) together with the digital soundtrack...

The Dolby people will in the future (as they self say when you talk to them about this) then come in as consultants checking the levels etc and guarantee that the sound is ok (for investors, studios etc)…

[Adam Jeal]

5.1 is proper cinema mix, with digital cinema you will not have to pay for the Dolby license. Since you do not have a optical soundtrack working together (as back up) together with the digital soundtrack...

The Dolby people will in the future (as they self say when you talk to them about this) then come in as consultants checking the levels etc and guarantee that the sound is ok (for investors, studios etc)…

There is much difference between producing a 5.1 mix for cinema in a proper mixing theatre to producing a Dolby 5.1 mix for DVD.

You are wrong in saying that there is no Dolby licence for digital cinema. Dolby have a licence for digital prints and it currently costs £1,600 as opposed to £4,200 for the 35mm licence (this is going up again soon). The £1,600 Fee includes 16 hours of a Dolby consultant's time.

[Egil Odegard]

There is much difference between producing a 5.1 mix for cinema in a proper mixing theatre to producing a Dolby 5.1 mix for DVD.

You are wrong in saying that there is no Dolby licence for digital cinema. Dolby have a licence for digital prints and it currently costs £1,600 as opposed to £4,200 for the 35mm licence (this is going up again soon). The £1,600 Fee includes 16 hours of a Dolby consultant's time.

Sorry Sir,

I am the manager of a sound production studio, so I know what I talk about (that makes the sound for cinema) . And you do not know the difference between digital cinema and digital sound on a 35mm print!

If you want to learn something, you have the wrong attitude!

[Adam Jeal]

Sorry Sir,

I am the manager of a sound production studio, so I know what I talk about (that makes the sound for cinema) . And you do not know the difference between digital cinema and digital sound on a 35mm print!

If you want to learn something, you have the wrong attitude!

Excuse me, but I was refering to the difference between a mix that is intended for CINEMA as opposed to DVD. I KNOW that a 35mm print carries both the dolby digital and the Analog SR track. This fact is irrelevant to my enquiry anyway. If you play a cinema mix through home cinema equipment without adding compression it's going to distort like hell. Dolby's encoder/decoder hardware is different for commercial cinemas and home cinemas. My question was to make sure that the Red Ray encoding software would handle both. One for home use and one for theatres.

If you think Dolby drop their fees entirely just cause you are projecting digitally then you are plain wrong.

I suggest YOU stop being so arrogant and learn something by looking at the following. it is Dolby's Motion Picture Licensing agreement for Digital Prints.

The fact that you were un-aware of this and manage a cinema sound facility doesn't say much!

http://www.mediafire.com/?3nytefjdna3

[Egil Odegard]

Excuse me, but I was refering to the difference between a mix that is intended for CINEMA as opposed to DVD. I KNOW that a 35mm print carries both the dolby digital and the Analog SR track. If you play a cinema mix through home cinema equipment without adding compression it's going to distort like hell.

If you think Dolby drop their fees entirely just cause you are projecting digitally then you are plain wrong.

I suggest YOU stop being so arrogant and learn something by looking at the following. it is Dolby's Motion Picture Licensing agreement for Digital Prints.

The fact that you were un-aware of this and manage a cinema sound facility doesn't say much!

http://www.mediafire.com/?3nytefjdna3
Dear Sir,

Are you French? I do not normally find English people so “arrogant”, only English men from “The Best Boarding School” are normally so self secure without knowing anything about what they are talking about…

There is no need for a Dolby License when you have a Digital Cinema. Until they do come with a new digital surround system for digital cinema and ask for payment for using it, 5.1 (or 7.1) is the best you can get (and there is no license on this mixing).

I have personally several times discussed this with representatives from Dolby Lab, so please stop to pretend you know anything about this.

I herby invite you to a free one week sound course in Oslo, Norway (you pay only for flight, hotel and food) and I do guarantee you that after one week working with our sound designers you would know a lot more about this.

This is the end of my engament in this discussion, please send a PM if you do want to come…

[Adam Jeal]

Dear Sir,

Are you French? I do not normally find English people so “arrogant”, only English men from “The Best Boarding School” are normally so self secure without knowing anything about what they are talking about…

There is no need for a Dolby License when you have a Digital Cinema. Until they do come with a new digital surround system for digital cinema and ask for payment for using it, 5.1 (or 7.1) is the best you can get (and there is no license on this mixing).

I have personally several times discussed this with representatives from Dolby Lab, so please stop to pretend you know anything about this.

I herby invite you to a free one week sound course in Oslo, Norway (you pay only for flight, hotel and food) and I do guarantee you that after one week working with our sound designers you would know a lot more about this.

This is the end of my engament in this discussion, please send a PM if you do want to come…

This is pathetic. I'm pretending nothing. Contact Dolby in the UK directly. They will even tell you the cost!.

They DO have a licence for Digital Cinema and you DO need to have it. For god's sake I even gave you a copy of the form and your telling me it's not real? For your information i've been talking to Dolby about this recently so please don't pretend that you know what the hell your talking about. The only Dolby cinema licence that is free is for short films of 45 minutes or under.

Don't patronize me. You know nothing about my backround and you make out that I know nothing when your responses had absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about in the first place. Where is the 'wrong attitude' here exactly?;


There is much difference between producing a 5.1 mix for cinema in a proper mixing theatre to producing a Dolby 5.1 mix for DVD.

You are wrong in saying that there is no Dolby licence for digital cinema. Dolby have a licence for digital prints and it currently costs £1,600 as opposed to £4,200 for the 35mm licence (this is going up again soon). The £1,600 Fee includes 16 hours of a Dolby consultant's time.

I stated facts and at this point, I said nothing personal towards yourself. Nothing to warrant your snotty response.

What kind of erroneous statement is that '5.1 is a proper cinema mix' anyway?


5.1 is proper cinema mix, with digital cinema you will not have to pay for the Dolby license.



Idiot!

[Mathieu Ghekiere]

Guys, please both keep it respectfull to each other...
If you disagree or both have different information, or even if one is telling incorrect information (I don't know), no need to go yelling that the other one is arrogant, an idiot, etcetera...

We don't want this place to become the message boards of imdb ;)

[Cüneyt Kaya]

adam is known here as serious...talks no shit...egil is new and seems to talk shit..what should i say?

[Cail Young]

what should i say?

Perhaps Dolby Norway has a different policy to Dolby UK?

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Perhaps Dolby Norway has a different policy to Dolby UK?

if its true there was useles heat

[Adam Jeal]

adam is known here as serious...talks no shit...egil is new and seems to talk shit..what should i say?

I really don't want to make enemies here guys! - I love being able to learn from people who have greater knowledge than myself and I respect them. I just don't take kindly to people who patronize and get all superior in order to compensate for the gaps in their knowledge base.

What Egil said A): wasn't even relevant to my question and B): he then tried to tell me that I don't know difference between a digital print and a 35mm print, which is insulting as my day job for the past 5/6 years has been digital intermediate post consultancy. I have attended many cinema mixes both in my day job and for my own projects.

Also, for him to keep on denying that the licence exists when I attached a link to it is just plain dumb!

[Paul Leeming]

Just a note for students filmmakers, Dolby will cut your fees by 50% if your project is part of your film school curriculum. I did this for my first short, "Eve", and it was well worth it for the learning value alone in watching your film get professionally mastered for surround as you watch.

Bonus is you get to supply Dolby Digital 5.1 on your final DVD and can supply it worldwide to film festivals etc without fear.

HTH

Paul

[Adam Jeal]

Just a note for students filmmakers, Dolby will cut your fees by 50% if your project is part of your film school curriculum. I did this for my first short, "Eve", and it was well worth it for the learning value alone in watching your film get professionally mastered for surround as you watch.

Bonus is you get to supply Dolby Digital 5.1 on your final DVD and can supply it worldwide to film festivals etc without fear.

HTH

Paul

You mean you paid for a short? - That's interesting. In the UK any short up to 45 mins is free no matter who you are. I've had Dolby Digital mixes done on my last two 35mm shorts.

[Lachlan Ward]

ROFL fat blow out in violence I do believe one of Jarred policies is don't say anything that you won't get punch square in the middle of the face for. I think these 2 chaps may have thrown down by now lol.

[krwl]

Dolby is Dolby. Egil, skjerpings!

[Christian Edwards]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt20TETO-9M&feature=related