Jim's extended leave...

[George A.]

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I am taking some extended time off from this forum.

While I certainly appreciate all the support from our customers and respectful critics, I feel the need to step back and attend to more personal matters.

In my absence, Jarred, Stuart, Deanan, Rob, Brent, Kelly, Greame, Big Jon and Ted will attempt to answer your questions and keep you abreast of RED news.

I hope the Moderators can help this forum remain a place for respectful postings. I also think the Moderators might need some help from the serious posters to minimize the new wave of noise that has hit this forum.

RED customers can always contact me directly.

My best to all.

Jim
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[George A.]

A bit surprised...

EDIT: I think we should all show our support for Jim and ask him to reconsider. I'm not good at oratory but I'm asking everyone else to say something. Before it is too late.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Jim was very passioned these days, and why should he listen longer to silly questions and destructiv critics from a kindergarden. He has cameras to build.

[Buck Forester]

You know, I would too if I were him. Take some time to stay focused on reality and the positive. I wasn't at NAB but I'm betting in person there was lots of postive buzz, then he comes to the forums and he reads so much unwarranted, negative criticism and questioning. Some of it is constructive, but a lot of it is trash talk. I think it's gotta be disappointing to put so much time, energy, and resources into something that is so ground-breaking, living and breathing this stuff 24/7, and be so excited about some amazing new offerings and then get so much negative responses about Scarlet and Epic. Although there is lots of excitement and support, there's also a lot of negative energy and I think it's wise to stay away from the negative for a while and take a breather and focus on the positive and getting 'er done. As for me, I'm pumped about the prospects of taking Scarlet in the wild backcountry!

[Bing Bailey]

we need a bring jim back campaign. we can be rowdy but we didn't mean to run him off. none of this stuff would exist if it wasn't for him. jim I think we're all sorry if any of this has given you a headache

[Stephen Pruitt]

Well, my editor and his advisor (Kevin Harlan and Major Lytton, respectively) were at the RED tent at NAB and asked if Jim would mind signing the RED "R" for me (I could not attend). They said he was incredibly gracious and friendly, not exactly the sort of treatment one would expect from your average billionaire.

I, for one, will absolutely be purchasing Scarlet.

I, for one, will seriously consider Epic, unless the RED One upgrade makes that a less desirable option.

I, for one, am extremely glad to be a part of this amazing RED Revolution.

It's an utterly amazing time. . .

. . . why, just last year, I was thinking of shooting my feature on an HVX with a Brevis adapter. And then along came RED.

Stephen

[Justin Kirchhoff]

this forum has grown extensively with a bunch of newbies who didn't know any better.....it'll take time for them to understand how things work here, just like it takes time to build a camera.

[Raul Gonzo]

I think many of us knew this would happen eventually.
Let,s just hope it,s not permanent.

[Mark Toia]

I'm not sure what he's got his nickers in a twist over.
Yes he's the new KING and long he may he live.
But as a king you cant go walking backwards into the darkness when you have a few wankers in your face.
Hype cant last forever, Last year you were a anomaly, this year your a threat, Next year you will be part of the furniture.

You have made a camera that rif raf can afford, with it that comes the rif raf.
I met jim today and to be honest, I thought he was tougher than this.
Jim, GET UP!, Toughen up!, stop reading the shit on this forum and be fuckin proud of yourself. You have made history and thats a FACT.

oooh and the images in the 4k projection room in the back of your tent..."AWESOME"!
"inspiring", magnificent we were all speechless. Including the big mouth prick from SONY and Cinetech that I convinced to go see it.

Don't slow down.
I'm relying on you.

[Kyle Mallory]

I am currently at NAB. I've been trying to follow the forums when I'm back at the hotel, but I don't end up reading everything.

I'm guessing the opposite, of this. The negativity is more at NAB than on these forums. As someone in possession of my RED ONE (physically at NAB), I am asked often by people "Are you worried about the new RED cameras?" And "What is with this 5k?" A lot of 5k jokes running around the halls.

When I showed up at the RED booth at 9:10am on Monday, I was a bit confused, and trying to figure out what these new cameras meant for me and my RED ONE. A few days later, I think that I have more to fear from Scarlet than Epic, and even that really isn't an issue, especially considering the "Early 2009" release (realistically mid-2009).

I'll be honest, I am more excited about RED RAY than either of the new cameras... But I'm still in newly-wed-bliss with my Baby. Give me another 6 months to a year, and maybe I'll start looking at other cameras again.

I'm a bit disappointed regarding the lack of Build 16 news. I understand the decision to "make NAB about new products", but for current camera customers, Build 16 IS A NEW PRODUCT.

I also was really, secretly hoping that RED would have announced a RED-CARD-- PCIe hardware accelerated REDCODE decoder/debayer with HD-SDI output... THAT I would have been excited about!

But the matte-box, the RED RAY, the lenses (18-85 is GEORGEOUS!), the new 7" LCD, and yes, even Scarlet and Epic, are exciting and welcome announcements from RED.

Keep fighting the long, hard fight, and you'll emerge victorious, or die with honor. Either way is a good way to go.

Peace out Jim, and thanks for a fucking awesome camera. I hope you're enjoying some quality time with your family. You definitely deserve it.


Kyle

[Lexicon]

The guy has a life with his family and other interests (outside of RED). It's not healthy for him to spend too much time here listening to the bitching and moaning of those who just don't get it. He has put up with a lot of naysayers and detractors over the last three years and he always keeps his cool. But Jim Jannard is still just a human being and human beings have limits. He's been a pretty generous person with his camera designs and nobody here can deny that he's been a man of integrity when it comes to his business. So let's just wish him well and keep some beer/fruit juice/whatever he drinks in the fridge for when he returns.

[Dylan Reeve]

It's not common for a company, especially in this industry, to have have such direct and unfiltered lines of communication - and for some people this is a little hard to contend with. They assume that since this is all here and semi-official that they have some sort of ownership or stake in RED - they see this as a forum to make demands and/or post their diatribes on exactly where/why/how RED is selling out.

This is a shame, but sort of an unavoidable side-effect of the community approach that RED has adopted. Things will settle down again and cooler heads will prevail - but even the regulars at times probably need to take a moment and think before they post.

We're invited into RED here in a way that few other companies would ever consider, we need to respect that and remember what our relationship actually is.

[JCallahan]

It looks like a lot of the camera-related criticisms that started on Monday illogically turned into personal attacks on Jim, his company, his vision and his ethics. I think that temporarily bowing out isn't really a bad move on his part. Hopefully the negativity dies down quickly, and in a few months he can return to a board that will be as respectful of him as he has been of us.

[Poi Boy]

oooh and the images in the 4k projection room in the back of your tent..."AWESOME"!
"inspiring", magnificent we were all speechless. Including the big mouth prick from SONY and Cinetech that I convinced to go see it.



Big mouth prick from Sony..too funny LOL.

NAB, Great stuff Jim and Company, You guys are rockin the story telling world, keep it up !
Aloha
-A

Leave of absence my ass !

[CJ Roy]

Well, my editor and his advisor (Kevin Harlan and Major Lytton, respectively) were at the RED tent at NAB and asked if Jim would mind signing the RED "R" for me (I could not attend). They said he was incredibly gracious and friendly, not exactly the sort of treatment one would expect from your average billionaire.


On Red-Day, I was just floored by Jim's friendly and gracious demeanor. Not that I expected anything, I just didn't expect that. It was something that stuck with me, and you can see and hear that when you talk to the employees.

I think a lot of that gets lost here on the forums, and the some of the others.

I hope he'll come back soon.

[caseyhayward]

You have made a camera that rif raf can afford, with it that comes the rif raf.



That is down right offensive to those of us who work hard to make good films and have participated in these boards for some time but perhaps cannot afford a twenty thousand dollar camera. If I worked for Red I would be offended by that comment as well.

I look forward to the new low-budget offering from Red even if you want to label me "riffraff" or a "soccer mom."

[Ethan Cooper]

The regrettable truth is that you make a camera for professionals and professionalism rules the forum, you make a camera for the masses and you get what just transpired.

I'll now quote myself:

Hell, I'm not even a self-made billionaire business tycoon and I find it very annoying when bottom dwelling video production wannabe's (of which I am one) sit around and moan about a camera that without your company had no chance of existing at all for at least another 5 years much less at this price point.
If I were you, I'd tell us all to go f@#$ ourselves shut down the whole damn operation and go do something much less stressful like shoot wildlife for a living, on a Panasonic 3700... that only does 1080... at 30p... a whole 2 years after you told them where the industry was heading... don't think they got the memo.
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[David Dennis]

There have been two major innovative companies I've been following: RED and Tesla Motors, makers of the Tesla Roadster electric vehicle.

The Tesla and RED stories are eerily similar. In both cases, people plunked down large deposits (much larger in the case of the Tesla) on the promise of a great product in the future.

In the case of RED, although Jim at one point said he should have fired himself for some of the early mistakes, he persevered and created the camera we now know and love today. Now I would say there are few who doubt that Jim can do pretty much anything he promises, and I don't think there's anyone, even those who have been momentarily upset, who wants to see Jim gone.

Tesla actually did fire the founder, Martin Eberhard. Throughout the development of the firm, Martin had been the passionate founder, the advocate of the thrilling technologies Tesla was pioneering. In short, Martin played Jim's role - he made us trust and care in the company, through a very similar set of blogs and writings that outlined his vision.

Ever since then, the news had not been good for Tesla. Months behind, they have yet to ship their first car to a paying customer. And, in an embarassing appearance, principal investor Elon Musk tried to imply that his lone production model was just one of many, and that charging batteries would require less equipment and take a shorter period than they really would.

It's possible that many of the delays were Martin's fault, as he encountered problems he did not properly anticipate. But I think this should be a cautionary tale in taking a visionary founder for granted.

Visionary founders like Jim and Martin are a pain in the neck sometimes, with their push towards perfection. But once they are gone from a company like RED or Tesla, the corporate spirit leaves with them.

I have tried to defend Jim against the petty nitpickers here and I hope I've had some success. I'm very happy to see Scarlet, because it means I will finally be able to afford a RED product next year. I want Jim to know that his contributions are warmly and intelligently appreciated, by me and others, and that he should understand that he's made a lot of friends, including me, on this quest for his dream camera.

So Jim, I hope you haven't been disillusioned. I'll bet that for every angry post there are at least ten people who are really happy about what you have done and what you are doing. Your fairness and openness are warmly appreciated here, and I hope that after your needed break, you will return soon.

After all, we're starved for Scarlet details, you tease you :-).

D

[wshultz]

I'm guessing he'll feel better after a few days rest from NAB-hell. He must be exhausted.

[Mark Warren]

I'll quote myself from the 15th of March.


I read a lot around here, but I don't post and I'd like to add more positive feedback to try and further balance the weight of ludicrous posters who somehow assume they're the C.E.O. of RED (or at least on the Board) (or a majority investor)... who demand constant "briefings", (24hrs a day mind you)... demand features, feel personally slighted and aggrieved when they're not pandered to, take very little personal responsibility whatsoever for their choices, who beg and manipulate to try and get tentative dates then bleat relentlessly when a date isn't met... who adopt a victim mentality like they breathe (i.e.- without even thinking)... I honestly find it ASTONISHING that all of you at RED can put up with it.

Jim's made the right decision, absolutely. I find it distressing reading these boards a lot of the time, let alone him. Thanks to the professional attitudes who post... they are few and far between but worth it.

[IAN SUN]

Well Jim thanks for the time you have put into this forum starting from back in the DVX User days. Your presence and forthrightness helped inspire confidence in RED ONE, leading to a decision on my part to invest in two of your babies, that has already proven to be a profitable decision and for that I thank you.

Taking time off from this forum is probably a good idea, as I certianly don't want you to develop the feeling that we are a bunch of ingrates.

Here's hoping you return soon.

[Nick Wolf]

Eastco,

He is a human being and we hurt him. With our greed and malice. With our petty suspicions.

Maybe deep down we are jealous? And somehow have to destroy that which is good because its too much effort for us to rise to the standard and example of someone who acts with principle. Its too much to be reminded by someone whose existence proves that life can and should be lived with passion and dedication. And with generosity. Lets face it who amongst us have that kind of generosity arent we generally most concerned for ourselves and only what we can gain. We are greedy and stingy. And worst we are resentful.

To look at what he does is not so interesting but why he does it. What drives a man to put himself through a grueling hell of making these things happen when he already has enough to stop?

Its not simple ambition to out do himself that would be an ego trip and this is not an ego trip because it isnt about him its about us!

He and his team have focused on satisfying our needs and when they have broken their backs to bring the fire to us that will liberate us and give us the wings to soar to any height we dare to reach for, all we do is hide our fear behind accusation, and blame. Basically anything other than taking responsibility for our own destinies and making something happen with it.

Its not opportunity its what you do with it, but first you must dare. A leap of faith. We got scared. Lost our nerve and instead of looking in the mirror and admitting we have no balls we found ways to point fingers at something else.

He is still climbing with or without us but he is not going to carry us on his back. He will show the way but we have to stand on our own feet and take responsibility for the opportunities presented to us.

To make a sacrifice and be a martyr is one thing but it has to be worth it. He made sacrifices for us and we have demonstrated that we dont deserve his gracious acts of kindness and consideration. He worked hard and delivered the goods and we spit on it and pooh poohed them. He is not a jerk nor a fool of course he isnt going to take that shit from us.

He is doing us a favor. He is giving us a gift.

He gives each one of us the chance to make history if we want to try. But to write a glory story of your own you need reasons to act not excuses to stop.

The fault is not in our stars that we are underlings but in ourselves!

He pulled a Brando.

Why should he come back? He deserves better.

DogDay.

[C.H.Haskell]

I met Jim yesterday and he could not have been more approachable and over all great guy, just like the rest of the RED team...great to meet all of you.

Unfortunate the forums are blowing up this way but I suppose that comes with a wave of new reservation holders, skeptics and critiques.

Enjoy the break Jim.

[John Caballero]

It is not about Jim Jannard coming in and saying a few words here and there, it is about Jim Jannard and company gearing up to a truly monumental task with 3 camera systems now on the table, and the development of a whole bunch of accessories and software to boot. All this while having thousands of customers lining up at the door wanting to take everything home today.
Those who coveted the latest Letus Extreme adapter are witnesses to how difficult it is to produce a hot new item when flooded with a zillion orders at the same time. And that experience was one item with not much technological need.
I suggest that all of us that are dreaming about these new wonderful cameras give Mr. Jannard not a little bit of space but a huge amount of it while he tends to this business of Red. Let him work and steady the ship for the very rough weather ahead. He and his people are working on highly technological and expensive equipment that needs to work perfectly for its users because if it doesn’t the results will be disastrous.
What we have to do is support them with our best wishes and for those believers with many prayers because, trust me; the road ahead will be a little rough. But hopefully at the end, everybody will come out a winner.

[Nick Wolf]

Amen Brother!

[trpura]

guys.. you all need to take some time off from these blogs.. its only about a camera and not about life........

[Nick Wolf]

How can anything not be about life that exists in life.

[trpura]

what?

[John Caballero]

For many this place is a like a hobby by now.

[Jonas Nyström]

I fully understand Jim. The level of some thread is plain ridiculous and insulting.

That why I second a reduserpro.net

[Dominic Cochran]

Eastco,

He is a human being and we hurt him. With our greed and malice. With our petty suspicions.

Maybe deep down we are jealous? And somehow have to destroy that which is good because its too much effort for us to rise to the standard and example of someone who acts with principle. Its too much to be reminded by someone whose existence proves that life can and should be lived with passion and dedication. And with generosity. Lets face it who amongst us have that kind of generosity arent we generally most concerned for ourselves and only what we can gain. We are greedy and stingy. And worst we are resentful.

To look at what he does is not so interesting but why he does it. What drives a man to put himself through a grueling hell of making these things happen when he already has enough to stop?

Its not simple ambition to out do himself that would be an ego trip and this is not an ego trip because it isnt about him its about us!

He and his team have focused on satisfying our needs and when they have broken their backs to bring the fire to us that will liberate us and give us the wings to soar to any height we dare to reach for, all we do is hide our fear behind accusation, and blame. Basically anything other than taking responsibility for our own destinies and making something happen with it.

Its not opportunity its what you do with it, but first you must dare. A leap of faith. We got scared. Lost our nerve and instead of looking in the mirror and admitting we have no balls we found ways to point fingers at something else.

He is still climbing with or without us but he is not going to carry us on his back. He will show the way but we have to stand on our own feet and take responsibility for the opportunities presented to us.

To make a sacrifice and be a martyr is one thing but it has to be worth it. He made sacrifices for us and we have demonstrated that we dont deserve his gracious acts of kindness and consideration. He worked hard and delivered the goods and we spit on it and pooh poohed them. He is not a jerk nor a fool of course he isnt going to take that shit from us.

He is doing us a favor. He is giving us a gift.

He gives each one of us the chance to make history if we want to try. But to write a glory story of your own you need reasons to act not excuses to stop.

The fault is not in our stars that we are underlings but in ourselves!

He pulled a Brando.

Why should he come back? He deserves better.

DogDay.

If I read this on a forum/business I created I might pull a Kurtz, not a Brando.

Who IS John Galt?

[Michael Brennan]

Maybe a "Hiatus" for Jim is only 72 hours!

Could someone point me to the insulting threads. I have seen critical threads and postings and made a few myself but most are genuine comments from the vastly varying gene pool that makes up this extraordinary forum, without which REDone would not be where it is. So I am not worried Jim is leaving because he can't stand the heat, he probably just needs the biological equivalent of a black balance.

Commercial guys may giggle at the heart felt sentiments of some of the postings on this thread, but in the cynical cycle of everyday consumerism the sense of human touch evoked by the RED team for a craft tool should be cherished.


Mike Brennan

[Daniel Reichenbach]

I fully understand Jim. The level of some thread is plain ridiculous and insulting.

That why I second a reduserpro.net

I agree, it is boring to read me through a lot of unprofessionaly, silly stuff to find the nuggets in here. I propose to start a REDowner blog, where only those can write in who possesses a RED. But open to read for anybody.

[Dominic Cochran]

Start it then. I don't think it will do that well. Everyone here loves the drama too much, including the Red people.

[John Brawley]

I agree, it is boring to read me through a lot of unprofessionaly, silly stuff to find the nuggets in here. I propose to start a REDowner blog, where only those can write in who possesses a RED. But open to read for anybody.

Bit narrow minded isnt it ? It assumes pro or *serious* users (whatever that means) own a camera. What about professional cinematographers like myself that use the camera but have no intrest in owning one.

jb

[Warren Kommers]

oh he's around......

i love my camera...

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Bit narrow minded isnt it ? It assumes pro or *serious* users (whatever that means) own a camera. What about professional cinematographers like myself that use the camera but have no intrest in owning one.

jb

Ok, yes, you're right, difficult to find a good concept then ;-)

[Jeff Coatney]

I think Jim finally wants to get cracking on that Space Station he wants to build. Or, maybe he wants to get out into the world and shoot something with the camera he built (with the help of some very talented and brilliant people). I think it worth noting that if Jim wants to step back from the noise, he obviously trusts his very capable team to be his eyes and ears.

[Mark Toia]

That is down right offensive to those of us who work hard to make good films and have participated in these boards for some time but perhaps cannot afford a twenty thousand dollar camera. If I worked for Red I would be offended by that comment as well.

I look forward to the new low-budget offering from Red even if you want to label me "riffraff" or a "soccer mom."

Sorry Caseyhayward, Didn't mean to offend, I was pointing the finger more at the people that don't know how lucky they are.

My apologize.

[Trevor Meier]

So how do us normal folks with real shows to shoot get official RED news? Jim's posts were pretty much all I'd read day to day, because if anything real was announced it came through his posts.

At the very least we need an official "Words from RED" forum for announcements etc.

I'm disappointed to see him go.

[Andrew Madu]

The regrettable truth is that you make a camera for professionals and professionalism rules the forum, you make a camera for the masses and you get what just transpired.

'ego' is not something that discriminates between the 'professional' and 'non professional' fraternity. Most identify themselves very closesly with it.


Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

[David Wyatt]

Ha! Can you imagine the chairman of Sony regularly replying to a public forum where people slag of their products/business methods...wouldn't happen in a million years!! Like all things Red it's out of the ordinary that the boss/owner takes the time to post his thoughts here, but it's good to take a break (this forum can take on the appearance of a torch-wielding mob sometimes).

[Frank Jonen]

In the long run it's good that Jim does a temp leave from here.
Sometimes you need to turn away from things you love and get a different perspective on what you're doing.

Don't be too scared. I'm pretty sure he'll get a digest weekly or even daily on what's going on.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I hope his leave from the forums will help the speeding up of the build 16 release. ;-)

[Simon Smith]

that the boss/owner takes the time to post his thoughts here, but it's good to take a break (this forum can take on the appearance of a torch-wielding mob sometimes).
Yes, the boss/owner is away. He cannot be everywhere. The new mod Acehole is doing now his job. Closing the improper threads.

[Don King]

Do you mean the not appropriate ones?

[Simon Smith]

The inconvenient ones. :sarcasm: Cleaning the house.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

He'll be back...


Me hopes.

I think we can only imagine how hard it is to do something like Jim and Team are doing. We're only perceiving the superficial level of all this and of course - we get to have this miraculous cameras from the future.

Imagine:

- To conceive the whole thing.
- To finance it.
- To find the right crew. To get it together working.
- To actually design and build the RED One [as it now apparently is].
- To keep the whole impossible thing running well, all the time.
- To fight with the dirty tricks of the "big boys" competition.
- To fight prejudice.
- To market the whole thing.
- To handle criticism and still - remain open.
- [a zillion other things, that we don't know].
- [another zillion things that we don't know].

I get exhausted only doing my pitiful student projects, but what about that?!

That's a hell of an effort.

Even without all the BS on the forums and outside, a person would need rest and time off.

I think that here, we all are dedicated filmmaking [and engineering] zombies, but personal life should always come first - it's the real thing.

We all have our Yin and Yang periods in life and creating a RED One can't be a Yin thing, you know?

So, I think that master Jim will be back when he has strenghtened his contact with the Force.


I just want to personally repeat again that:


- I will buy Scarlet, interchangeable lenses or not. I would buy it right f*cken now, if it was available.

- I will also buy the RED One, when the time is right. It's mainly a question of money, not decision. And I think we want to wait for those Misterium X upgrades too :).

- I have no problem with the emergence of Epic, but I strongly believe that the RED One line will continue to be improved and developed. For the middle-class shooters.


And one more thing... what was it?..

Aah, yeah:


- I want Scarlet right fucken NOW, do you hear me?! :sorcerer:


...


Well, I guess that's it.


Sya, Master Jim. :watsup:

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

How can anything not be about life that exists in life.

That's a good question.

[laguun]

Jim Jannard really deserves a time off.
It is excellent that he stays in direct contact with his customers.
It suppose it has been an amazing ride the recent 28 months - and recharging batteries is a must, even for the most dynamic people.

[Jeff Coatney]

It has to be difficult to accomplish something that so many people thought was impossible and hand it to people, practically for free, guide them in using it so they can create stunning imagery effortlessly that was never before possible and to top it all off... have to sit through such petty complaining and bickering of what went wrong. I don't blame Jim for needing to take a hiatus. Jim, you're doing everything right. Keep going.

[Steve White]

This thread contains as much rampant speculation about Jim and Red as any of the other threads.

Face it folks, you're living in an information vacuum with respect to Jim's life and motivations. You're imparting what you feel onto your mental image of Jim, and thereby sympathizing with yourselves.

If Jim maintained a personal blog on which he could write emo poetry, maybe this speculation would be justified. Thankfully, he doesn't.

[James Brundige]

Thanks Jim, your leave will help me immensely. Your participation in these forums is remarkable, and adds an element that has made them so compelling. Now I can get more work done, which will have to happen so I can afford the Epic, which (unbelievably) takes Red to an even higher level.

Seriously, ignore the kvetches and keep up the great work. The revolution will be complete when you finish the 5K projector that will appear in every theater in the world. And, when the price point recovers from development costs, in millions of living rooms as well.

[Jarred Land]

I am really disappointed on what happened here the last couple days.

Things are going to change.

Tolerance is going to go down, and hopefully the noise level along with it.

Acehole is the new pitbull moderator, his job is going to do some spring cleaning.

If anyone has any ideas on how to make things better.. i am all ears.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

I am really disappointed on what happened here the last couple days.

Things are going to change.

Tolerance is going to go down, and hopefully the noise level along with it.

Acehole is the new pitbull moderator, his job is going to do some spring cleaning.

If anyone has any ideas on how to make things better.. i am all ears.

here have a look...
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11946

if you dont like the fee idea, how abou an inviation idea?
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11946&page=6

[Kevin Wild]

I've said this before, 80% of the noise comes from the sources being anonymous and thinking they can say anything they want. I would be 100% behind switching this board to a named user setting, like dvinfo.net

I think it would clear out a LOT of the junk.

Kevin

[peter roehsler]

how about a `registered RED owners´ section or board for user-oriented threads?

[roryhinds]

real names with confirmation email addresses.

no hiding.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Agree, real name is a good thing. Hi I'm Daniel Reichenbach and I travel back to Switzerland now, was great fun to see some of you at NAB.

[Tom Lowe]

Sad to see this happen. It's very rare to have celebs or CEOs or whatever interacting with the masses online.

[Taff]

Jim's departure is a great loss.
Hi is amazing motivator and we all get the exited with his comments.
Of course...HE is the boss, the creator the mind behind all this..and...he keeps his promises. Say no more.

I am following this forum for a loooong time and every day...check out my join date.
Then again I am not posting here a lot. That is because I am learning and a newbie....and there are guys here with tons more experience and knowledge then me. I am all ears.
The only reason I keep quiet is because i haven't got much to add compared with the level exposed here.

Lately there has been an enormous amount of New RedUsers on this forums.
Some of those are really welcomed and generous with their knowledge, but unfortunately some others create a lot of noise...and confusion and rather that keeping the treads on track and focused they deviate the attention and even attack each other with pitiful comments.

I wish there could be a massive cleaning operation here so we can all enjoy this site the way we used to.

I am saving to buy a Red one. I am full on for making movies. To the best of my abilities. That's why RedUser is great!
Red Company has put hope on all of us Indies and professional filmmakers.

Now I go back to the shades only hopping that the noise fades out...

All the best
Taff

[woodybrando]

I'd like to see a system like the one used in reddit's comments where each of us can vote up or down individual replies. And then show an average reply grade under the user's name. then maybe even the option to view only a certain grade's comments.

jayson
www.oldchildprojects.com

[Ace]

I strongly suggest a voting system to give relevancy to users posts. Informing the reader on what is good and what is not is the most powerful form of filtering content.

Slashdot.org uses this to the best example I believe. As they do not censor any posts, but rather give each post a community generated score and let you decide weather you want to read them or not. So for instance if a post is great, and is funny, it would say (Score: 5 funny) next to it or (Score 4 : Insightful) . This is just an example of what can be done... Im sure there are heaps of modifications available such as this to the VBullitein software to achieve this purpose.

An owners only forum, would be useless. The reason being, is because I believe some of the worst offenders of jibber jabber on this forum happen to be owners. Some of the most insightful posts have come from outsiders and non owners. Also the fact that this forum is called reduser. not redowner. Some of the most serious users out there happen to choose to rent.

[M.Halsell]

I agree with Tom, it definitely was in the RED Community's best interest to have had Jim and the entire RED team as attentive and active on the boards as they have been. The overall responsiveness has been more than appreciated and uncharacteristic of any or most companies out here.

The nature and quantity of the posts will definitely need to be tapped off. I would love to see current owners have more platform or vehicle to present workflow, workarounds, field testing, active production, etc. The idea being more useful information that the board is currently offering and instead of the consuming effort of sifting board posts just to find the real nuggets of information.

Please construct the board to be less a medium to express personal insecurities and more about actionable information of tool(s) use, benefit and industry exploitation.

All the offerings at NAB are promising. Along the developement path, don't alway feel compelled to share information before it destined time.

"People are not happy without structure".

[KETCH ROSSi]

acehole ... welcome to the world of "MODERATORS" as a positive character as I am, I have been very disappointed as well this past few days, especially after been directly involved with the RED team at their Booth, this year, setting up few LEDz to light up the RC Helicopter, I have seen the hard work that goes on at RED and in the way in which is performed and the attitude that they have towards the company that they work for and especially the attitude towards "US" costumers and "USERS"!

This guys literally take "WORK" at "HOME" with them, responding to e-mails at every odd hour of the day and at just every day of the week, their commitment, goes far beyond any other company I have ever deal with.

Not to mention what the RED company has been bringing to us and it is continuing to bring, I don't need to go in to details on this one, as every one knows the unprecedented and revolutionary that this company has accomplished.

So again I'm very pleased to know that know there will be an implementation for stronger mesure as not to allow those few disruptive BAD APPLES to create GREY CLOUDS over such accomplishments and this GREAT COMMUNITY, which as become truly a FAMILY to me, especially more so now that after this incredible few days I go the true pleasure to meet so many members of this Community.


Ciao

[Tom Lowe]

I strongly suggest a voting system to give relevancy to users posts. Informing the reader on what is good and what is not is the most powerful form of filtering content.

Good idea. Either a thumbs up/thumbs down, or a rating system, like you mentioned.

[lisa hayse]

Take your time Jim, you've already done so much for us.
You deserve a good break.

Lisa

[Jarred Land]

anyone who wants to switch to using their real names, PM Jason Ramsey and he will hook you up. Its a good start.

[Martin Weiss]

Once I was moderating on cinematography.net, where we employed the system that new members´ posts would need to be approved by one of the moderators. This workload was shared among 5 of us. Once new users had understood the feel of the group, they´d be switched to auto-approve.

Beauty was also, if someone made nasty comments afterwards, they could always be switched back to manual approval.

Maybe that could be a way to go for Reduser. I am sure you´d find 5 volunteers to handle the approval system.

P.S. Maybe there could a an extra Group called "Lounge" or "Red Café" or something, which would be a bit more open, chitchat, pub-like; while the other threads should be more to the point.

Just some thoughts from someone who´s been leeching for the past 2 years, and has finally made the jump ;)

[Jonas Nyström]

anyone who wants to switch to using their real names, PM Jason Ramsey and he will hook you up. Its a good start.

I will do so right away!

[Frank Weeks]

anyone who wants to switch to using their real names

I'll PM Jason

Great idea

Frank Weeks
Producer/director
World Class Productions
Videodisc@comcast.net

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

The truth is that most of us are spoiled little brats :).

That's the truth.

The RED people are delivering things that shouldn't be here, but we keep wanting unrealistically more. They give us the finger, we bite off their arm.

We are The Spoiled Bunch. :)

Nevertheless, I think that interchangeable lenses on Scarlet isn't so impossible. :)

Lol.

[Bret Weeks]

I'd like to second (and eighth, etc....) the other owners who have suggested a semi-private or restricted posting "Red Owners" forum.

I seem to remember a post in a thread a really long time ago, and wonder if that might not make the non-constructive noise drop to -60db.

Is it possible?

[Jarred Land]

I'd like to second (and eighth, etc....) the other owners who have suggested a semi-private or restricted posting "Red Owners" forum.

I seem to remember a post in a thread a really long time ago, and wonder if that might not make the non-constructive noise drop to -60db.

Is it possible?

"stay tuned"

[Bret Weeks]

muchas gracias.

[Warren Kommers]

My name is Warren Kommers.

[Dominic Cochran]

"stay tuned"

I hope you change your mind about doing this after the post NAB noise dies down. I think an owner-only forum is a bad idea. And this is coming from a soon to be owner.

[Joel Kaye]

I am really disappointed on what happened here the last couple days.
Things are going to change.
If anyone has any ideas on how to make things better.. i am all ears.

Perhaps a simple $10 fee for anyone to sign up to post would keep most of the trolls away - but allow seriously interested people to get as involved as they'd like. If they don't have $10 to post they don't have $3k to buy a Scarlet. Hell... let 'em take the $10 off Scarlet when they do buy. At least then you'd know they had a real identity and a little bit of skin in the game. You could keep the forums publicly available to READ, of course. So all the info still gets out there.

I probably would have said that was a weak idea about a week ago. Right now I think it's a weak idea to let the forums go crazy. The rating system Acehole mentioned is a neat idea.

Oh - tried to say hi to you and NAB but you were swamped. Same with Jim. But I can tell you I came away from NAB really enthused about RED, the new products and all the companies supporting you guys.

[Desert Rune]

I come back after two months and this forum has "gone to the dogs". What the heck happened. Time to get out the ban hammer and don't be afraid to use it moderators. :pinch:

[Steven-Marc C.]

"stay tuned"

Thanks for looking into this, Jarred. RedUser is a fantastic and much needed resource. Now that I've received and am actually using the camera I find myself coming here daily to look for that extra piece of information and/or to try and answer any question I can.

You must be exhausted from NAB. I hope you had a blast. You certainly rocked our world with those three announcements.

[jaadgy akanni]

Jarred, the whole "Red Owners only" sub-forum idea is a very good, indeed. However, it would be undemocratic not to let the non owners to at least be able to access and benefit from what's being discussed. So, a better idea would be to make it so that only RED owners have the ability to post, while the rest, can only read the posts.

[Yannick Hagman]

Not understanding every word of the english language has sometimes it's advantage. :)

But excluding people is always a very bad idea. I can't afford a Red One but a Scarlet.

Now, will I get deportion? :) I hope it will be a good island at least. :)