View Full Version : Warning - this is a disturbing video clip...
Ken Corben
03-23-2007, 06:15 PM
Thanks Red Team - In addition to superior offerings from RED, here's a reason I am glad that I no longer have to purchase monopolistic Japanese camera technology/products for my underwater filmmaking. My purchasing power can now go elsewhere.
Just so you guys are aware before clicking, the video shows the gruesome slaughter of marine mammals. ~Brook
http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin
R. Gonzales
03-23-2007, 06:21 PM
Sharkguy... I am speechless... I didn't even finish watching.
Method
Ken Corben
03-23-2007, 06:29 PM
It is really disappointing to watch the pointless and ignorant slaughter of marine mammals - the true intelligent life on this planet.
No soap box here - if you want to send a petition to Japanese powers that be here is the link:
http://www.petitiononline.com/golfinho/
Other than that - I try to spend my money on non-Japanese products as a fiduciary revolt. Camera systems were
the dead end to this strategy until now. RED ONE made in the USA!
Hrvoje Simic
03-23-2007, 06:49 PM
This is totally shocking. Totally.
I skipped through the video and still horrified.
Sharkguy, I suggest you to consider weather people would like to get disturbed in this way connecting to Reduser, and if using this for generalising on nationality is appropriate.
Ken Corben
03-23-2007, 06:55 PM
I speak only the TRUTH - if us creatives and story tellers of the Red community are to "offended" then who will speak out?
I agree about your point on generalising on Nationality and I apologize if this was not properly stated - I speak to the government and corporations of Japan and us as the consumers and our buying power.
Having looked into the eyes of dolphins in the wild - the video is like watching a friend being murdered. This is the off topic thread and my responsibility is to spread the word. A response is entirely an individual's responsibility/choice?
Hrvoje Simic
03-23-2007, 07:05 PM
I get your point and I'm also truly sickened by the video. I sent the petition as soon as I saw your second post.
I completely support your speaking out about this horror, just thinking you are using this the wrong way.
CamDiver, and the rest of the underwater guys - do not watch this.
This video brought a tear to my eye. Which says alot because Im not moved easily.
Brook Willard
03-23-2007, 10:10 PM
Ace, I edited in a [clearer] warning. I've been ambushed by links before, I just don't want people to fear the same here.
Mark Thorpe
03-24-2007, 12:30 AM
Disgusting Images,
Things like this happen everywhere. You think you are eating Dolphin Friendly tuna.....think again. Same with Shark Finning, its a disgusting fishery with big influences from the organized crime fraternity due the crazy revenue potential. People getting their lives threatened because they go up against the corporate perpetrators of these barbaric practices is a regular occurrence.
The fishermen you see in these images are just that, fishermen. They will not change what they are doing so long as it allows them to provide for their family. The only way to influence change is to try and captivate the younger generations of today, education can stop this. Public outcry will not. Sad but true. The fact we get upset with it is because they are, in this instance, slaughtering dolphins, a species we have grown to love and respect as intelligent beings. I'm sure those sentiments do not exist in the Orient. A dolphin to them is a fish, a source of food, period.
Interestingly on another note we recently had an event here in Palau called Shark Week. Not the Discovery Channel event but one developed by a dive shop here to create a week of shark diving adventures. Palau, unfortunately, is one of the few remaining destinations on the planet where one can see sharks pretty much on every dive. Palau does have laws against shark finning but still with a 200 mile economic boundary and only one patrol boat there are a lot of poachers day in day out catching sharks in these waters.
One of the invited speakers was the Taiwanese ambassador to Palau. He was addressing the cultural practice of eating shark fin soup at banquets and weddings etc. Crazy as it sounds but in the Chinese language there is no word for shark!! The people there call it fish fin soup. They are under the impression that fish is fish is fish and cannot understand the, predominantly, western opposition to them eating this culturally embedded dish.
Again it is only with education this may change and reduce the massive damage done to shark populations around the World, but in an industry worth in excess of $3Bn per year I heavily doubt it.
So Ken, what does this mean for us? We gotta get out there and film it......before it may disappear for good.
Cheers,
Mark.
Andrew Benz
03-24-2007, 01:29 AM
Damn Mark. Great post and dead on point.
Ace, I edited in a [clearer] warning. I've been ambushed by links before, I just don't want people to fear the same here.
No warning needed!
The part that got me was the part about dolphins not abandoning their injured.
Andreas Fernbrant
03-24-2007, 04:25 AM
Speechless......
Not going to watch this as I have seen what may be the same thing before, or something equally awful, and it's too upsetting to watch twice.
I'm not at all convinced that the attitude of Japanese whale / dolphin killers is really either cultural or economic. We all know that the "scientific whaling" the Japanese do is complete BS, and I've also heard (and this may not be true) that there is relatively little appetite in whale meat in Japan, and that there are large stockpiles in freezers. I get the sense it is more of a political thing.
The Japanese government is effectively buying votes of poorer countries in the IWC to get the moratorium on commercial whaling lifted. I'm not anti Japanese (I've been to Japan and really enjoyed it) and I don't think a boycott of Japanese goods would work, but we should take every opportunity to tell the Japanese authorities that they lose face in our eyes every time we see things like this.
Jeff Kilgroe
03-24-2007, 12:06 PM
Sadly, I've seen that video before... In fact, I've seen the entire program it was snipped out of.
The Japanese government is effectively buying votes of poorer countries in the IWC to get the moratorium on commercial whaling lifted.
I've often wondered the same thing. And their "scientific whaling" as well as the regular slaughter of dolphins and other marine life is often justified with some very poor excuses. Often not justified at all. But when you dig down to the very bottom of this whole thing, it is economical in nature. Whale meat doesn't fetch huge money in Japan, but it does far better in China and elsewhere in Asia. Other products derived from whaling are huge black and grey market business these days as is dolphin meet and dolphin hides. The Japanese government often turns their back on most of this... Partially because it was only recently outlawed even though their people have been doing such things for as long as they have inhabited their islands. I also have my doubts that their government could put an end to this. Short of massive military approach to shut it all down, I don't think they have any other options.
Mark / CamDiver is right... It will take time and the education of younger generations to change this. And the bigger battle to fight in this regard is not within Japan, but within many parts of China and Asia as a whole. With the people who continuously support and fund these activities. The same can be said of poaching wild animals in Africa. When a rhino is killed solely for its horn, you can bet that horn is on its way to China or Tibet where it's worth far more than its weight in gold.
It will take time and the education of younger generations to change this. And the bigger battle to fight in this regard is not within Japan, but within many parts of China and Asia as a whole.
Absolutely. Fortunately, from what I've experienced, younger generations in Asia generally have little interest in the quackery that often masquerades as "traditional medicine"; unfortunately it may be too late for certain species by the time it dies out.
Tom Lowe
03-24-2007, 12:45 PM
WTF is wrong with those people?
Paolo Tinari
03-24-2007, 01:04 PM
Cant stand watching those puppies struggling in pain. Their death is shaking me to tears. And is not a matter of a bunch of greedy people: the japanese government is allowing this. How can we then hope their youth will be educated?
Shocking indeed.
One could, of course, argue that most killings of animals for human consumption is awful and abhorrent.
For one thing, I think the dolphins are "lucky" in the sense that they are considered "cute", and they at the very least get the sympathy from such things as this video, with appropriate music and appropriate narration.
I feel more sorry for the "ugly" and "uncute" animals...they have hardly any one looking out for them at all.
A meat packing place, such as IBP is worth a visit; there's THOUSANDS of animals there get slaughtered each day....and I wouldn't call their demise "humane" (although not as bad as in this vid).
Just keep it real, please, this has nothing to do with Japan; there's plenty of such crap that goes on in EVERYONE's neck of the woods; just open your eyes!
Good on you though, sharkguy; it's a noble cause, and one worth fighting for!
Tom Lowe
03-24-2007, 06:30 PM
It's not a matter of lovely or cute. These are highly intelligent, possibly even self aware creatures. I don't think twice about swatting a fly, but I would never harm a chimpanzee. The more intelligent and self aware a creature, the less I can tolerate its abuse.
Dogs and cats hold a special place for humans as well, though not all cultures agree on this.
Of course you are correct, Tom, although the fly comment was a bit "out there". There's a difference between an insect and cattle too, you know! But your point is a good one for sure.
However, I am always surprised how "shocked" people get when they see such things. You could make a video about pretty much ANY animal slaughter process and get the same or similar reaction --- WITH the appropriate setup/lead-in. This is classic film-making after all!
I maintain, it always looks gross, no matter what animal.
Finner
03-24-2007, 07:34 PM
Pig I feel exactly like you do.
Your ID fits well as I have been around a lot of very smart pigs and many don't think twice about their bacon in the morning.
Johnny Friday
03-24-2007, 11:20 PM
Of course you are correct, Tom, although the fly comment was a bit "out there". There's a difference between an insect and cattle too, you know! But your point is a good one for sure.
However, I am always surprised how "shocked" people get when they see such things. You could make a video about pretty much ANY animal slaughter process and get the same or similar reaction --- WITH the appropriate setup/lead-in. This is classic film-making after all!
I maintain, it always looks gross, no matter what animal.
Point taken....and I hate to see suffering of any animal. BUT a big differance is that most cattle and livestock are breed and raised for the slaughter. I've seen packing plants work and it's horrific. But more disgusting and just plain insane is when we watch people murder wild and born free dolphins that we know to be social and family oriented animals that suffer when bludgeoned to death. But again....that is one mans opinion.
Hrvoje Simic
03-25-2007, 08:49 AM
These are highly intelligent, possibly even self aware creatures.
possibly?
Life without awareness is just robotics. No matter how "simple" we perceive that life form is.
Term "awareness" is too simplified.
Picture that as the levels of consciousness. Not as only two solutions - "awareness" or "unawareness".
Mark Thorpe
03-25-2007, 04:06 PM
If the need arises to kill something in life (God forbid) then do it painlessly, silent and fast. Period. I think the images hit a resounding home run when we see the slow agonizing ordeal these creatures are going through. If they were killed with a bullet to the brain, quick and easy, then I'm sure the public reaction would be somewhat more subdued.
That still doesn't detract from the fact that I'd like to look into the eyes of one of the fishermen as he's stood there watching the pitiful death throes of these animals to see if there is any shred of emotion there. Don't think I'll find much though. To them it's a living.
Such a shame,
Mark.
Joe Carney
03-28-2007, 01:10 PM
Mark, I agree, if you are going to harvest animals for food, it should be as quick and painless as possible. That video made me sick and ashamed.
While not knocking the Japanese as a race, maybe we should really reconsider buying their cars and electronics. Let them eat their stereos.
Gunleik Groven
03-28-2007, 04:51 PM
Wow. This thread is going to get me banned... Hope not!
BUT
Have anyone seen industrial farming, a famine or even a war lately?
But then again, i cencor myself.
Gunleik
Not to detract from the point of this thread but this is what I was expecting to see with a title of "warning - this is a disturbing video clip"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApaThtU09_8
Not to detract from the point of this thread but this is what I was expecting to see with a title of "warning - this is a disturbing video clip"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApaThtU09_8
For some reason I was compelled to watch till the end of the clip..