Full frame S35?

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

Does any one know if this actually means full frame as in 1:1,33 (4:3)?
RED states in the NAB brochure that the RED one has a "full frame S35 sensor"
but as we all know its 1:1,78(16/9), so here full frame is width only.
I would be fantastic to have a genuine full frame to use for anamorphic shooting.

Best
JJ

[David Mullen ASC]

Well, technically, anamorphic doesn't use a Super-35 "full-frame" area -- it uses a 4-perf 35mm negative that is Full Aperture height but Academy Aperture width.

I'm not sure "full frame" means much of anything. Certainly I've never understood it to mean 4-perf Super-35. "Full Aperture" is a more common term than "full frame", and all it means is the maximum negative area possible. What you're really asking for is a 24mm-wide sensor that is between 18mm and 19mm tall, rather than 13.7mm tall.

[Emanuel A.]

What you're really asking for is a 24mm-wide sensor that is between 18mm and 19mm tall, rather than 13.7mm tall.But then you'll have a hard(er) work trying to add glass (other than still photography/full format) which will cover the sensor size.

[Warren Kommers]

But then you'll have a hard(er) work trying to add glass (other than still photography/full format) which will cover the sensor size.

No. He's asking for academy 35mm to use anamorphic lenses on or any other spherical PL glass should also cover that.

[Emanuel A.]

(...) He's asking for academy 35mm to use anamorphic lenses on or any other spherical PL glass should also cover that.I'm reading what he's asking.

If my memory serves, my PL movie lenses cover 22mm x 16mm (Academy 35mm), not the Super 35mm format. We're talking about 24mm wide by something «between 18mm and 19mm tall, rather than 13.7mm tall». Therefore, out of coverage.

Hope this helps.

[Warren Kommers]

Most modern PL glass covers super 35. Few exceptions.

[Bob Torrance]

Does any one know if this actually means full frame as in 1:1,33 (4:3)?
RED states in the NAB brochure that the RED one has a "full frame S35 sensor"
but as we all know its 1:1,78(16/9), so here full frame is width only.
I would be fantastic to have a genuine full frame to use for anamorphic shooting.

Best
JJ

From what I was told at NAB, S35. But you should be able to do a center-crop for anamorphic. Now with a little more resolution.

bob

[Emanuel A.]

Most modern PL glass covers super 35. Few exceptions.Right. 'cause the Super 35mm ratio is not 1:1.33, but we're talking about a larger format than that. On the edge of the 30mm as image circle. Much glass covers Super 35mm, yes. But covering about 28mm image circle -- if 24mm wide (more than my standard 35mm glass actually). However, short for the 30mm image circle milestone.

Nevertheless, and yet about the 'few exceptions' referred by you (I wouldn't call them so...for the arguments above-mentioned), there are those ones (myself included) with so much stellar dollars or/and euros already spent in order to go on the RED ONE route.

[mezmo]

Most modern PL glass covers super 35. Few exceptions.
Sorry to butt in here H.S.,
But does RED glass cover Full Apature/Full height Super 35 ??
Mezmo

[chuck colburn]

I love it! New terms invented every day. "FULL ACADEMY" lol

While it's true that a lot of lenses that have a PL (Positive lock or often referd to as a breech lock) mount are made for 35mm cameras, it does not mean that all PL mounted lenses are for 35mm cine. The mount is also used on 16mm cameras and lenses. It's just a lens mount.

[Emanuel A.]

Well, RED is reinventing the cinema... :-)

[mezmo]

I love it! New terms invented every day. "FULL ACADEMY" lol

While it's true that a lot of lenses that have a PL (Positive lock or often referd to as a breech lock) mount are made for 35mm cameras, it does not mean that all PL mounted lenses are for 35mm cine. The mount is also used on 16mm cameras and lenses. It's just a lens mount.
Sorry Chuck,
was looking for full 'aperture'. Academy slipped in. Have changed it.
Glad to see your paying attention and thanks for the correction.
Mezmo

[chuck colburn]

Mezmo,

I think your on to something here with the Full Academy thing. This might be a valid term as I've heard it said more than once that the Acaemy is full of it. lol

[mezmo]

Chuck,
Yes the 'Acaemy' (look I've corrected you) is indeed full of it and thanks
for your rare insight into the workings of the PL mount, riveting stuff.
Cheers
Mezmo

[David Mullen ASC]

I am assuming that the RED lenses cover the Super-35 area since their own sensor at 4.5K is Super-35 in size. Most modern PL-mount cine lens, except those made specifically for Super-16 cameras, will cover Super-35 - I don't know why a manufacturer of new 35mm cine lenses would limit their coverage to regular 35mm (Academy), it would be like building new lenses that only cover regular 16mm, not Super-16.

[Emanuel A.]

I am assuming that the RED lenses cover the Super-35 area since their own sensor at 4.5K is Super-35 in size. Most modern PL-mount cine lens, except those made specifically for Super-16 cameras, will cover Super-35 - I don't know why a manufacturer of new 35mm cine lenses would limit their coverage to regular 35mm (Academy), it would be like building new lenses that only cover regular 16mm, not Super-16.Yes, but the point is not the actual Super-35 format size... As far as I could understand, he's asking for a larger area than that.

Here's your old post as reminder:


Well, technically, anamorphic doesn't use a Super-35 "full-frame" area -- it uses a 4-perf 35mm negative that is Full Aperture height but Academy Aperture width.

I'm not sure "full frame" means much of anything. Certainly I've never understood it to mean 4-perf Super-35. "Full Aperture" is a more common term than "full frame", and all it means is the maximum negative area possible. What you're really asking for is a 24mm-wide sensor that is between 18mm and 19mm tall, rather than 13.7mm tall.