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Miltos Pilalitos

04-22-2008, 09:26 AM

Hey Stuart, who is developing build 16 now? Is it the team behind RED ONE or is it a new team?

Since the announcement of Epic and Scarlet i was wondering what the magic team behind RED ONE will do. Will you move to Epic and Scarlet or will you keep on improving and stabilizing RED ONE?

wshultz

04-22-2008, 09:31 AM

Iwannitnow Iwannitnow Iwannitnow

I bet Build 16 is the base build for Epic

Paolo Tinari

04-22-2008, 09:42 AM

and open officially the sdk
sdk sdk
k
k

(ahem, what exactly the acronymous SDK means?)

Salem Kapic

04-22-2008, 09:44 AM

get real get real get real

please 16

Dylan Macleod, CSC

04-22-2008, 10:07 AM

Whoaa there...lets slow down...how about a solid build 15?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11671&highlight=build+15

"release build"?

Dylan Macleod
Cinematographer
Toronto, Canada
www.dylanmacleod.com

BASSAM MSSALATIE

04-22-2008, 10:12 AM

My take

Enough repeating . ,, Enough ,,Enough :tongue:

Bing Bailey

04-22-2008, 10:12 AM

late late late :)

Greg M

04-22-2008, 10:12 AM

Add your favorite tune ... and words ....

"Ten more bugs to go, ten more ... "

Stuart,
Didnt you get the memo?...once you get down to 10 bugs you send it to me to really test it.

Paul Leeming

04-22-2008, 10:14 AM

(ahem, what exactly the acronymous SDK means?)
Software Development Kit.

HTH

Paul

Jason Ing

04-22-2008, 10:17 AM

The natives are getting restless...

... wait a second... they're always restless... :)

Zach Hilton

04-22-2008, 10:29 AM

The natives are getting restless...

... wait a second... they're always restless... :)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/836_1208885280.jpg
Stuart, I give you the conch. The floor is yours. If something doesn't happen soon, I fear we might resort to more primitive matters. All in good fun though. :usd:

Dane Brehm

04-22-2008, 11:21 AM

Should I chant build 16,Build 16,Build 16 in front of the mirror in the dark????

Jason Ing

04-22-2008, 11:27 AM

Should I chant build 16,Build 16,Build 16 in front of the mirror in the dark????

No! Don't do that!

Add a little fill light in there or you'll get too noisy.

Eryc Tramonn

04-22-2008, 11:30 AM

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/836_1208885280.jpg
Stuart, I give you the conch. The floor is yours. If something doesn't happen soon, I fear we might resort to more primitive matters. All in good fun though. :usd:

Yeah, and we all saw what happened to Piggy. That's what he gets for trying to be all smart on an island full of savages. :weight_lift:

Dan

04-22-2008, 11:39 AM

Stuart,
I know Build 16 is mainly about image enhancement but will we see any Audio improvements slipping in??

Dan

Zach Hilton

04-22-2008, 12:17 PM

Yeah, and we all saw what happened to Piggy. That's what he gets for trying to be all smart on an island full of savages. :weight_lift: Hee hee...Piggy.

tj williams

04-22-2008, 01:34 PM

camera just hung again on boot build 15......
Les make what we got work reliably!!!!!

Patrick Tresch

04-22-2008, 01:37 PM

....And some people are at build

SCRATCH v3.9.0 [Build 462]

462!!!

Hope not to have to chant for this one on REDONE ! :-)

Pat

Adrian T.

04-22-2008, 01:59 PM

Whoaa there...lets slow down...how about a solid build 15?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11671&highlight=build+15

"release build"?

camera just hung again on boot build 15......
Les make what we got work reliably!!!!!

I second these notions.

Please fix the current release build before going any further! :angry01:

laguun

04-22-2008, 02:13 PM

Chant it with me now...

Build 16, Build 16, Build 16!

(if you chant for it, it will come):sarcasm:

let me try something....

Build 21, Build 21, Build 21!

Gunleik Groven

04-22-2008, 02:20 PM

Lol!!

G

Eryc Tramonn

04-22-2008, 03:31 PM

I second these notions.

Please fix the current release build before going any further! :angry01:

I think build 16 is supposed to cover the problems experienced in build 15. So in essence, build 16 will be the release build for 15.

Gunleik Groven

04-22-2008, 03:37 PM

All what is in 16, was planned for 15, but they decided to give os multiple outputs first. I really don't blame them...

The bugfree 15, is most likely 16.

Still:
OM OM OM

Mark Toia

04-22-2008, 06:01 PM

I can see now why Jim has flicked the forum...:bye2:

Eryc Tramonn

04-22-2008, 08:59 PM

I can see now why Jim has flicked the forum...:bye2:

Huh? What was said to incite that comment? People wanting the bugs worked out of the firmware? Or is it because they're not aware of what has been said in other threads? Either way, I don't understand your comment. If the comments in THIS thread were enough to make Jim go on hiatus, I think he'd have more to worry about than build 16.

Zach Hilton

04-22-2008, 09:22 PM

Yeah, not sure exactly what he was talking about. If people can't have fun then what's the point in living. Eh?

Mark Toia

04-22-2008, 09:26 PM

Huh? What was said to incite that comment? People wanting the bugs worked out of the firmware? Or is it because they're not aware of what has been said in other threads? Either way, I don't understand your comment. If the comments in THIS thread were enough to make Jim go on hiatus, I think he'd have more to worry about than build 16.

I'm one of very few that appreciate were we are right now with RED.
They have come so so far in a very small amount of time.
We have in our hands a camera that surpasses anything else in the market place at a fraction of the cost of anything else in the market place.
This is FACT!

Jim is on on hiatus for one reason, to have a rest from the forum of impatient, never happy, whiners.

Not saying you are. but man, this forum is turning into a complete mess full of miss information and people not happy with RED's advancements into the future.
RED has bought us all the future and I for one will be eternally thankful.

Jason Ing

04-22-2008, 09:31 PM

I'm one of very few that appreciate were we are right now with RED.

There are over 4000 and counting who are truly appreciative... they're buying Red. And I'm sure there are thousands more.

Yes, there are whiners, complainers, and pushy people... but there's also a lot of us who are just having a little fun and have nothing better to do then to say silly, tongue-in-cheek, stupid things on this forum while we're waiting. :usd: For example, Gunleik's "om, om, om" is how a monk sounds when he's chanting during meditation... (Or is that just him trying to talk with his mouth full?).
We could choose other forums to hang around, but 98% of us are fans. :love:
Try reading through the thread again and pick up the light-hearted humor. :bleh:

david farland

04-22-2008, 09:41 PM

Big T,
Suggest you do an irony check on your last post.

Also expect there's a lot more people besides yourself who appreciate where Red has come from over the years.

Cheers,

Mark Toia

04-22-2008, 09:54 PM

Big T,
Suggest you do an irony check on your last post.

Also expect there's a lot more people besides yourself who appreciate where Red has come from over the years.

Cheers,

point taken.

Pawel Achtel

04-22-2008, 10:05 PM

The bugfree 15, is most likely 16.
Bug-free software is an oxymoron.

Gunleik Groven

04-23-2008, 12:19 AM

Bug-free software is an oxymoron.

NO! Shake is complete, that's what REALLY happened!

LOL!

Bang WOW Bang

04-23-2008, 10:02 AM

Soon soon soon...

Are there many RED ones boys are sending SOS
SOON ONE SOON is better than Soon Only Not Yet ??????

Remebered our old days " Better than SoxY " BTS

Stewart
ex-BTS CHINESE Chief in ASIA

Gunleik Groven

04-26-2008, 01:51 AM

Bump...

You can hear the unanimous choire of ill trained RED singers around the world...

Still 10 bugs? Still 10 bugs? Still 10 bugs?

Stuart English

04-26-2008, 08:04 AM

Sorry, I was on the other side if the island. :red_bandana: All sing: " 7 more bugs to go ... We are almost there guys.

To the question of releasing "a stable build xx".. we incorporate lessons learned from previous builds into the next one. Most often the "fix" is a combination of reprogramming the underlying hardware, plus the software that runs on top of that. So if we can fix a bug in a point release we'll do that, but the fastest and cleanest way is usually to fix it in the next release. (This is the reason Build 14 didn't see the light of day)

Finner

04-26-2008, 08:18 AM

So if we can fix a bug in a point release we'll do that, but the fastest and cleanest way is usually to fix it in the next release. (This is the reason Build 14 didn't see the light of day)

Are you laying the ground work to give us the news that build 16 is a bust but just wait for build 17 because it will fulfill all fanatsy's.

Stuart English

04-26-2008, 08:21 AM

Are you laying the ground work to give us the news that build 16 is a bust but just wait for build 17 because it will fulfill all fanatsy's.

No Finner.

Finner

04-26-2008, 08:26 AM

Didn't think so Stuart, just fun to get impatient peoples underwear in a knot. Unfortunately you answered to quickly.

Simon Valderrama

04-26-2008, 09:18 AM

NO! Shake is complete, that's what REALLY happened!

LOL!

That's why i love Shake. It just works.
Actually the multilayer node doesn't, but who cares. We've got AE for that :calm:

Stuart English

04-26-2008, 09:23 AM

Didn't think so Stuart, just fun to get impatient peoples underwear in a knot. Unfortunately you answered too quickly.

Next time then :biggrin:

James T Mather

04-26-2008, 09:40 AM

Any possible ETA on 16? - four months, five?

Stuart English

04-26-2008, 09:42 AM

Any possible ETA on 16? - four months, five?

Too funny :construction:

Colin Hubick

04-26-2008, 09:50 AM

Will the problem with the shutter and the "open gate" function be fixed in build 16?

James T Mather

04-26-2008, 09:51 AM

I was really just trying the old Lou Grant baiter (as in: you highball the estimate and the other party says "no, no - not that long, one month tops" - didn't work)

Stuart English

04-26-2008, 11:14 AM

Will the problem with the shutter and the "open gate" function be fixed in build 16?

Which one is that ?

Colin Hubick

04-26-2008, 11:32 AM

Which one is that ?

The current problem is if the open gate option is selected, and you set the shutter angle to lets say 1/24th, the camera displays that it is set to 1/24th but in reality the camera has set the shutter angle to 1/48th. When you bring the .r3d file into Red Cine and look at the meta data, it is in fact 1/48th, not the 1/24th the camera op selected or what the camera displayed.

So all the material shot is 1 stop under exposed...

This has been discussed with Red already.

Stuart English

04-26-2008, 12:21 PM

The current problem is if the open gate option is selected, and you set the shutter angle to lets say 1/24th, the camera displays that it is set to 1/24th but in reality the camera has set the shutter angle to 1/48th. When you bring the .r3d file into Red Cine and look at the meta data, it is in fact 1/48th, not the 1/24th the camera op selected or what the camera displayed.

So all the material shot is 1 stop under exposed...

O.K. Understood. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The issue is ONLY when you run shutter speeds longer than 1/48 when in 23.98 / 24 fps or 1/50 when in 25 fps etc. This is because of the way Open Gate works (it doubles the sensor frame rate but keeps the capture frame rate the same - so 24 fps becomes 48 fps)

If you are shooting at maximum shutter angle / exposure time turn Open Gate off (which is the default setting anyway)

Colin Hubick

04-26-2008, 02:22 PM

O.K. Understood. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The issue is ONLY when you run shutter speeds longer than 1/48 when in 23.98 / 24 fps or 1/50 when in 25 fps etc. This is because of the way Open Gate works (it doubles the sensor frame rate but keeps the capture frame rate the same - so 24 fps becomes 48 fps)

If you are shooting at maximum shutter angle / exposure time turn Open Gate off (which is the default setting anyway)

I would say the ONLY issue is that the camera is reporting one thing while shooting, when in actuality it is doing something different...

Stuart English

04-26-2008, 07:07 PM

I would say the ONLY issue is that the camera is reporting one thing while shooting, when in actuality it is doing something different...

Agreed, what I'm saying is it only happens if you have a shutter angle between 181 and 360 and you enable OPEN GATE.

Gunleik Groven

04-26-2008, 07:10 PM

don't add a bug, they were already down to 7...
This bug can in fact be the infamous 10%

:)

Colin Hubick

04-26-2008, 11:49 PM

Agreed, what I'm saying is it only happens if you have a shutter angle between 181 and 360 and you enable OPEN GATE.

ok, glad we agree it is a problem, so back to my original question about this being addresed in build 16?

Stuart English

04-27-2008, 05:44 AM

so back to my original question about this being addresed in build 16?

Its not on the original bug fix list, so it might it might not. Meanwhile its an issue thats pretty easy for an operator to avoid.

Don't use Open Gate when shooting at greater than 180 degrees / more than half the frame time of the fps you are shooting.

Gunleik Groven

04-27-2008, 05:51 AM

So stuart, it's sunday. You down to six yet?
:)

Zach Hilton

04-27-2008, 09:11 PM

bong diggy bong bong om build 16 diggy bong bong

Gabriel C.

04-28-2008, 03:19 AM

Oh Build 16, why do you plague my thoughts with desire? What is it that you have that none of the other builds have? They're just as sexy ... some even thinner and taller ... but there's something about you ... some unexplainable thing ... won't you please let me know when you'll be in town so I can chill a nice wine and change my sheets? Build 16 ... don't be scared ... but I think I love you.

Sanjin Jukic

04-28-2008, 03:37 AM

Obin Olson

04-28-2008, 07:41 AM

eta bugfixes build 16?

Scott Webster

05-02-2008, 07:39 PM

Sleeping Dog Awake!

Bang WOW Bang

05-02-2008, 07:56 PM

Do you remember a song titled "Sweet Little Sixteen" from Chuck Berry?

Watch on YouTube>>> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3i-yL_rEbA)

With Build 16 your RED is going to rock and dance like a "Sweet Little Sixteen".

SWEET 16 is a King of Imaging for current RED one shooters.

Mr.BB King did his heartfelt version back in 1973 " Live in Afica ". Chuck Berry is a Rock & Roll kind with his black beat.

Stewart
HKG