RED import duty

[Michael Brennan]

Initially Her Majesty's Custom and Excise say the Red Camera would have a tariff number of 85258011 (TARIC code 8525803000)

But this code is for 3 chip ccd cameras.

Now it seems they are struggling to put RED into the single chip industrial or domestic camera tarrif. Apart from Genesis there is no pro single chip camera made outside of EEC.

They have said to one RED purchaser that a temporary duty of 55% will apply until a ruling is made.


Of course phone them on a Friday and they will say something different.
What categorey is RED being put into in other countries?

Mike

[Charles Perkins]

when i described it to them they told me the duty would be 6%, i cant remember what code they gave me. plus the VAT at 17.5% of course.

[Craig Bowman]

...What categorey is RED being put into in other countries?

Mike


Being under the North American Free Trade Zone I can declare that attaching the "Titanium R" is part of the manufacturing final assembly process. Which of course we are proud to be a part of since it creates jobs here etc etc. Thus the import is "exempt" from duty/tariffs/taxes.

[Graeme Nattress]

These are the codes used in Canada - do you have a link to the UK tariffs?

TV cameras come under: 8525.80.30 - free
Lenses come under: 9002.11.10 - free

Graeme

[Mike the beginner]

when i described it to them they told me the duty would be 6%, i cant remember what code they gave me. plus the VAT at 17.5% of course.


That seems to be the figure being quoted for the time being.


I have still not got a difinite answer as to whether overseas customers (uk for example) will still have to pay the american sales tax as well as import duty and VAT?

Does anyone know for certain. Me thinks we do have to pay this!

[Craig Bowman]

These are the codes used in Canada - do you have a link to the UK tariffs?

TV cameras come under: 8525.80.30 - free
Lenses come under: 9002.11.10 - free

Graeme


Thanks Graeme. I trust that Red will do all shipments to Canada under those codes.

[roryhinds]

no you only pay the US sales tax if you purchase the RED in the state its being sold in. So if you lived in CA then you would pay the CA sales tax.

UK purchaser would only pay the import duty and the VAT.

Anyone know the UK commodity code for import?

[Graeme Nattress]

I'm no customs expert, but if you read the tarrifs yourself, there's not much else RED could come under.

Graeme

[Zakaree Sandberg]

can i take purchase of my camera in Tijuana? (no sales tax) haha.. thats what i did with my boat (ensenada)

we can set up a huge gathering/red boot camp down in mexico.. we can take delivery tax free and have our boot camp at the same time

[roryhinds]

Hi Graeme

Do you have a link where I can read the tarrif?

Or better yet could you post the code :-)

Thanks
Rory

[ericyoung]

I'm no customs expert, but if you read the tarrifs yourself, there's not much else RED could come under.

Graeme

Free of duty would be sweet. Duty makes a HUGE difference to the price! :help:

[Moir]

I have still not got a difinite answer as to whether overseas customers (uk for example) will still have to pay the american sales tax as well as import duty and VAT?

Does anyone know for certain. Me thinks we do have to pay this!

Rory is correct. I have ordered several items from B&H in New York; no US sales tax is applied.

There is no VAT in Jersey, and according to the customs office, it should be duty free. Lucky me.

[Mike the beginner]

Rory is correct. I have ordered several items from B&H in New York; no US sales tax is applied.

There is no VAT in Jersey, and according to the customs office, it should be duty free. Lucky me.

The boot camp has been moved to Jersey:biggrin:

Mike the beginner

[PaulClements]

Rory is correct. I have ordered several items from B&H in New York; no US sales tax is applied.

There is no VAT in Jersey, and according to the customs office, it should be duty free. Lucky me.

Yeah looks like you'll be the recipient of a number of RedOne cameras Moir, lol.

Here's a link to finding the Taric Code (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?Lang=EN) which should identify the camera for import to anywhere in Europe.

For me it really ought to come under the following if not the OP's code, I've heard others reckon it was a different code but it doesn't make sense to call the camera a video camera even if the image is attained digitally. The title states it is a Digital Cinema Camera, I'd feel entirely justified including it in the below category personally, whether customs agrees is another matter:

9007190000 = Import - Third country duty: 3.70 %

9007 Cinematographic cameras and projectors, whether or not incorporating sound recording or reproducing apparatus
- 9007 11 Cameras
- - 9007 19 Other

Here is a link to the above details as per the website (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarduty?Taric=9007190000&SimDate=20070329&Action=1&ProdLine=80&Country=US/0400&Type=0&Action=1&YesNo=1&Indent=-1&Flag=1&Test=tarduty&Periodic=0&Download=0&Lang=EN&Description=yes)

[Graeme Nattress]

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/publications/tariff2007/01-99/tblmod-1-e.html

is the link for Canada.

9007.11 - -For film of less than 16 mm width or for double-8 mm film
9007.11.1000- - -To be employed in the commercial production of video tape productions,
cinematographic films (motion picture films), animated films or multi-image
shows - FREE, so I think 9007 is for film cameras, and that's not RED.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Here is the code I get for France 9007190000
9007110000 is for cinema equipment using film under 16mm width.

[Karl H]

is this something that Red will sort out when they ship? I assume the customs declaration will have to be filled out at Red's end, so I guess we're not going to know for sure until the shipping date.

If it is 55% I think I'll be finding another way to collect my Red camera :-)

[ChristopherKenworthy]

I rang Australian Customs, and they told me there's no Import duty here (because we don't manufacture cameras in Australia.) We will be charged 10% GST on any camera that we import - those who are GST registered get that money back.

[Michael Stanmore]

I rang Australian Customs, and they told me there's no Import duty here (because we don't manufacture cameras in Australia.) We will be charged 10% GST on any camera that we import - those who are GST registered get that money back.

Chris, I'm Aussie, but I live in the UK... I'd love to cruise back for a week, see the family, have my camera and accessories sent there, pay my 10% GST and then cruise back to europe... I wonder what the authorities would think of that... at least I would have paid tax somewhere... which is more legit than going to california then smuggling it out of America.....or is it?

[Michael Stanmore]

How big are the problems you get by taking delivery in another territory? Is it just the VAT man?

Will an insurance company insure assets that had been brought into a territory without import duty being paid?

[Phil D]

I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you can just pick it up in another country and then just ship it back to another straight away, as that is still importing it.

If you were to take delivery in the states say, you have to wait a year before you can bring it back to the UK and not incure import duty.

You might be able to bring it back as hand luggage and chance not getting stopped....but I wouldn't risk it!

A flight to Oz is not exactly cheap, would you really save any money.

[JustinGD]

These are the codes used in Canada - do you have a link to the UK tariffs?

TV cameras come under: 8525.80.30 - free
Lenses come under: 9002.11.10 - free

Graeme

Graeme, do you know if there is any way to avoid paying the GST? Since we get it back anyways, it would be nice just not to pay it up front.

Do they want PST too? I don't know anything. And how much of this do I have to learn, and how much will Red just take care of when they ship it too me?

[Mufu Giwa]

Hi everyone
I'm very concern about this custom duty things,please anyone owner of Red in France to tell us what the actual rate is, apart from alread huge 19.60% sales tax. I'm seriously considering coming directly to the US to fetch the camera.

[Stephen Williams]

How big are the problems you get by taking delivery in another territory? Is it just the VAT man?

Will an insurance company insure assets that had been brought into a territory without import duty being paid?

Hi,

Yes you can pay an insurance company a premium, but they would not have to pay you out unless you told them the whole story first.

Stephen

[Greg M]

Hi everyone
I'm very concern about this custom duty things,please anyone owner of Red in France to tell us what the actual rate is, apart from alread huge 19.60% sales tax. I'm seriously considering coming directly to the US to fetch the camera.

and then smuggle it into France?

[martinnoweck]

and then smuggle it into France?

hehe, i don't think it is worth the effort ...

[Paolo Tinari]

and then smuggle it into France?
Yes, now let's all shout together....

[GrafxLvr]

can i take purchase of my camera in Tijuana? (no sales tax) haha...

we can set up a huge gathering/red boot camp down in mexico.. we can take delivery tax free...

Yeah... You could do that... OR you could take delivery in any of the 49 remaining States.

[Rick Darge]

It's tricky. A lot of states, including California have what is called Use Tax which must be paid on equipment that was purchased outside of California. Use Tax is for equipment that is making you money. So if you work/live in CA, you you have your Red sent to Arkansas, then you still have to pay the Use Tax at the end of the year, which is roughly the same as the CA State Sales Tax.

This is what my accountant told me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Don King]

Delaware?

[Greg M]

It's tricky. A lot of states, including California have what is called Use Tax which must be paid on equipment that was purchased outside of California. Use Tax is for equipment that is making you money. So if you work/live in CA, you you have your Red sent to Arkansas, then you still have to pay the Use Tax at the end of the year, which is roughly the same as the CA State Sales Tax.

This is what my accountant told me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

This is correct, its all part of being in business.

[Michael Stanmore]

Ah... I'll bite the bullet and pay my taxes. :( I'll hope to claim it back at the end of the year.

[GrafxLvr]

It's tricky. A lot of states, including California have what is called Use Tax which must be paid on equipment that was purchased outside of California.

After looking into this a little further, You're right. Until recently, you could avoid paying the California Use Tax by keeping the equipment out-of-state for 90-days. However, our Governator recently amended the loophole--thus, equipment must now be kept out-of-state for 1-year to avoid paying use tax.

From what I understand, Use Tax is exercised by the honor-system. Meaning, it's up to the end-user to report the taxes to the government, i.e., if they are receiving the equipment out-of-state and using it in California.

[Michael Brennan]

UK duty paid by one RED user ( I assume this is the same throughout Europe)

8525.805050 harmanized code

classification is a video digital still camera
or
digital video cinema framing camera

4.9% duty on the camera body
3.7% on accessories.


Mike Brennan

[Michael Brennan]

Those considering not paying international duty remember that every time you return from travel abroad with this equipment you are at risk of being questioned by customs officers, who will ask where did you buy the equipment?


If you sign a customs carnet (a temporary import export document) then you are confirming that all local import duties have been paid, when they haven't and you are committing an offence.

If you sell the camera you are committing an offence!

Illegal importation of kit worth $30k is STUPID if you get away with it or not.

In Europe, simply present the kit at the goods to declare counter, thats the RED channel :) pay the man duty and vat and walk out of the airport a free man....



Mike Brennan

[Jonathan Cruz]

Those considering not paying international duty remember that every time you return from travel abroad with this equipment you are at risk of being questioned by customs officers, who will ask where did you buy the equipment?


If you sign a customs carnet (a temporary import export document) then you are confirming that all local import duties have been paid, when they haven't and you are committing an offence.

If you sell the camera you are committing an offence!

Illegal importation of kit worth $30k is STUPID if you get away with it or not.

In Europe, simply present the kit at the goods to declare counter, thats the RED channel :) pay the man duty and vat and walk out of the airport a free man....



Mike Brennan

True, I actually benifit paying VAT as i buy the Kit through my company the invoice with the VAT will go to my company for the VAT compensation

[Karl H]

UK duty paid by one RED user ( I assume this is the same throughout Europe)

8525.805050 harmanized code

classification is a video digital still camera
or
digital video cinema framing camera

4.9% duty on the camera body
3.7% on accessories.


Mike Brennan

Thanks Mike,

valuable information. Do you know if this rate was applied automatically by UK customs? Was it conetested by the owner before they applied this rate?

What did Red charge to ship?