Red Sighted in Wellington NZ

[Scott Webster]

A senior Red Team Member is at Park Road Post. Whether they brought a prototype with them has to be confirmed. Indications are yes...:ninja:

[Scott Webster]

Holy Crap it's JJ and Jarred!

[Brainstorm]

Holy Crap it's JJ and Jarred!

OK Rocketeer... I think we should get King Kong to hold them hostage until they give those of us 'Downunder' a special deal. A VERY special deal!

Cheers
Brainstorm

[Scott Webster]

Prototype and camera testing confirmed with Mr Jackson. Those anywhere near Wellington airport see if you can spot the Oakley Lear Jet.

[Tonaci Tran]

any spy shots?

[Tom Lowe]

Cool!

[PaulClements]

Prototype and camera testing confirmed with Mr Jackson. Those anywhere near Wellington airport see if you can spot the Oakley Lear Jet.

Where is it confirmed? Interesting if it is.

[Scott Webster]

I hav enough faith in the sources. If it's not true, a moderator can issue a disclaimer and pull the thread.

[Brook Willard]

Man, the guys at RED lead a tough life.

[PaulClements]

Wow, very interesting then. It's something of a testiment to the Red team's work when someone such as Jackson can take the time out to have a play with the prototype... Like he probably isn't gagging for a mess around anyway lol.

[Brook Willard]

Well we know he has a reservation. It's by virtue of who he is that he gets to play with it. :)

[Michael Schrengohst]

While they are there I am sure Peter will give em a plug, JJ will be quite
knackered by NAB.

[Sean Michael Johnston]

Very cool

[feb31films]

Jannard, Jarred and Jackson... the Trifecta of digital cinema....

[IAN SUN]

Oh man, Jarred is living the high life! :matrix:

[Don Woods]

Very cool. I wonder what number R he has.

[Craig Ryan]

Damn this made my day! The triple J threat hehe. I'd imagine they've also been to Skywalker Ranch too?

[Manfred Lopez]

Maybe this site should add another section for 'special sightings'... a la big foot. :biggrin:

[Manfred Lopez]

Damn this made my day! The triple J threat hehe. I'd imagine they've also been to Skywalker Ranch too?

Didn't George announce somewhere that his company wasn't going to do feature films (movies) anymore?

[Michael Schrengohst]

What and give up his dream of Oscar?

[Manfred Lopez]

I guess it will have to be more like an Emmy.


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117951284.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


George Lucas:

"We don't want to make movies. We're about to get into television. As far as Lucasfilm is concerned, we've moved away from the feature film thing because it's too expensive and it's too risky.

"I think the secret to the future is quantity," Lucas said.

[Brainstorm]

George Lucas:

"We don't want to make movies. We're about to get into television. As far as Lucasfilm is concerned, we've moved away from the feature film thing because it's too expensive and it's too risky.

"I think the secret to the future is quantity," Lucas said.

That's scary! If feature films are too expensive for George Lucas to produce, then the film biz is really heading down the plughole. Maybe it's time some "big name" actors took a pay cut! You know... just down to $20M or something a little more reasonable :matrix:

[Craig Ryan]

Well its pretty much old news that George is expanding Lucasfilm into other types of media like television and especially video games; it doesn't appear he's throwing the towel in with features just yet, there's still Indy 4 and Red Tails. The latter will probably look like The Aviator on crack in terms of CGI. But who knows? Red Tails certainly sounds like THE project for a RED camera wouldn't you say?

EDIT: After reading the article above it appears Lucas is pretty fixed on moving away from big budget features; nevertheless it'll be very interesting to see what kind of small projects he'll churn out.
I should add that I have a qualm with his logic about the internet and people "abandoning movegoing"'; the internet, and sites like YouTube are free. People can sit at home with their friends and watch goofy videos if they wish, or they can go shell out 10 bucks and see a movie. It seems like money is a large part of the issue, but I don't have any stats to back it up.
/end Hijack

[Ace]

The quality of television the past few years has been exceptional. For the first time in TV history, the quality of shows are are on par with hollywood and cinema entertainment. Lost and Heroes come to mind. If anything, I see TV giving the cinema industry a run for its money over the next few years. I for one know quite a few who would prefer to stay home and watch lost than to go out and catch some celluloid. They annoy me a bit.

[Manfred Lopez]

It's funny that you should mention that. Last night I saw for the first time an episode of 'Heroes' and, while I thought that the ptoduction values looked slick and the concept interesting, I couldn't help but notice that the show as a whole still doesn't escapes from the dreaded TV programing curse... namelly that it is all mostly talking head shots with constant mood music underneath.

The mood music never goes away no mater what is going on on screen... alway a sign of bad writing / acting. Most competently written / acted movies don't have to rely on mood music as a crutch. Also the show's characters never seem to shut up (like in most TV shows). It's a constant barrage of dialogue ping-ponged back and forth. It's like the TV producers fear that if there is one second of silence the TV spell will be broken and the audience will flip channels (maybe not too far from the truth).

[Ace]

Heroes maybe.

With Lost i find that the dialogue is sparse and theres alot more emphasis on facial expressions and body language.

Oh and I dont really agree about a good movie should stand on its own without music. I believe that music and sound are all part of the same tapestry. Sound is as essential to our senses as vision IMO.

[Sanjin Jukic]

What are the Wellington's paparazzies doing now? Where are the pictures online? JJ, JL, PJ or the RED tests in NZ...?

http://www.asni.net/king%20kong%20(10).jpg
This one still did not make any shot...? Just watching...!!!


http://www.asni.net/king%20kong%20(17).jpg
Under Tight Security or the bodyguards are working hard on the R-E-D carpet...?

[Manfred Lopez]

Oh and I dont really agree about a good movie should stand on its own without music. I believe that music and sound are all part of the same tapestry. Sound is as essential to our senses as vision IMO.

I didn't say that a movie should stand on its own without music. That would be blasphemy for me since I come from a music background. Music should be used as any other element in the work... as a means to move the dramatic intention forward.

I think it is in TV shows like Heroes where they have no respect or understanding of music and what it can do. They use it as musak, or elevator music... alwas on and always in the background... unless the actrors stop speaking, in which case they pump it up to max, so that the viewers won't change the channel.

[Manfred Lopez]

Another reason I don't think TV is going to give movies a run for its money is because there will always be an apetite for uninterrupted long-form entertainment like feature films... something the TV networks are unable to do as they stand. The reason they can't is because of commercial breaks. In an hour-long TV show the structure is provided by the rhythm of the comercial breaks. And the writing of TV shows has adapted to this and become episodic by definition.

In feature films 'episodic' is the kiss of death. People want a good story or concept developed over time... with an arc... in other words, they want the action and drama to organically unfold step by step until reaching a satisfying ending. So one could say that the structure is part of the apeal of feature films. Just my opinion.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

I'm with TheThe all the way…

Emmanuel

[Sean]

HBO already provides great TV without commercial breaks.

For me, the big difference between the experience of a film and an episode of TV is that a film is a complete experience in and of itself. A TV episode is often best enjoyed by watching previous and future episodes, something I'm just not really that into. Even the very best TV shows only get me coming back for five or six episodes before fatigue sets in.

[Obin Olson]

TheThe, right on....BTW what is your real name?

[Adrian T.]

Gotcha! :matrix:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3639/jacksonredjc9.jpg

[Ace]

Another reason I don't think TV is going to give movies a run for its money is because there will always be an apetite for uninterrupted long-form entertainment like feature films... something the TV networks are unable to do as they stand. The reason they can't is because of commercial breaks. In an hour-long TV show the structure is provided by the rhythm of the comercial breaks. And the writing of TV shows has adapted to this and become episodic by definition.

In feature films 'episodic' is the kiss of death. People want a good story or concept developed over time... with an arc... in other words, they want the action and drama to organically unfold step by step until reaching a satisfying ending. So one could say that the structure is part of the apeal of feature films. Just my opinion.

As an artist I completely agree with you. I enjoy cinema in ways I cannot with TV.

But joe public sees it differently. Joe public are getting more and more into TV blockbuster shows and it already is giving cinema a run for its money. People are switching more and more to TV. Those bigger advertising dollars dont come from no where you know.

A good film is like a good book. It has a strong begining middle and end. TV episodes rather are more like comic books in some way. Not that one is better than the other, just different.

[Manfred Lopez]

TheThe, right on....BTW what is your real name?

Manfred Lopez at your service. Now that I have been unmasked, do I have to restrict myself to serious posts only? :whistling:

[Michael Schrengohst]

Many advertisers are shifting ad dollars to the internet.....
How many of your spend more time in front of your computer, than
sitting on the couch?
I have FIOS and soon FIOS HD, I also have a separate DSL line for my family.
I am looking at the dual HD DVD - Blu Ray players, as much as I like my HD, you can watch only so much Discovery HD.

[Ace]

Manfred Lopez at your service. Now that I have been unmasked, do I have to restrict myself to serious posts only? :whistling:

I must say, TheThe is an incredibly witty nickname. I might name my first born that. The The.

[Manfred Lopez]

... People are switching more and more to TV. [...]


Ace, I am glad that as an artist you are on the side of movies... but, and this is not in any way intended to be argumentative... but are you sure about that asertion you are making? I was under the impression that the ol' boxoffice was doing just fine. Here are a couple of quotes from last weekend's report from boxofficeguru.com:


"Overall, the box office was vibrant with five different pictures hitting double digit millions."


"The top ten films grossed $116.2M which was up 22% from last year when Inside Man opened at number one with $29M; and up 34% from 2005 when Guess Who debuted on top with $20.7M."


So I guess attendance is going up.



Original link:

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/032607.htm

[Manfred Lopez]

I must say, TheThe is an incredibly witty nickname. I might name my first born that. The The.

Thanks... All credit goes to "The Attack of The The Eye Creatures" ... whose technical quality I aspire to at least meet.

[Zack Birlew]

Gotcha! :matrix:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3639/jacksonredjc9.jpg


Awesome!!!:w00t:

I still wonder if these guys are going to show up at NAB (Lucas, Jackson, ect.). Could be surprised I suppose.



P.S. I know it's a Photoshop job.

[Ruairi Robinson]

Gotcha! :matrix:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3639/jacksonredjc9.jpg

hehe

check yer black levels mate, they ain't matchin'

R.

[Adrian T.]

check yer black levels mate, they ain't matchin'

It was a five minutes job, don't be picky! :mellow:

[Ace]

Ace, I am glad that as an artist you are on the side of movies... but, and this is not in any way intended to be argumentative... but are you sure about that asertion you are making? I was under the impression that the ol' boxoffice was doing just fine. Here are a couple of quotes from last weekend's report from boxofficeguru.com:


"Overall, the box office was vibrant with five different pictures hitting double digit millions."


"The top ten films grossed $116.2M which was up 22% from last year when Inside Man opened at number one with $29M; and up 34% from 2005 when Guess Who debuted on top with $20.7M."


So I guess attendance is going up.



Original link:

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/032607.htm

I never said that cinema is going down. Entertainment in all areas is rising as a whole. Music, TV, Cinema, Radio. The rise in cinema ticket sales over the past 2 years does not mean that TV isnt having an effect on cinema, because it evidently is: The fact is that films have to be that much more competitive with TV now that people are accustomed to a certain quality of entertainment at a minimum level (TV). So this means better special effects, higher budgets for films, cleverer story lines, more star power (higher budgets), levereging franchises like marvel comics etc (higher budgets) and so on. So in the end, its actually good news for cinema, because TV is indeed giving cinema a run for its money, and keeping cinema from resting on its laurels (which it did a few years back)

[Manfred Lopez]

...So in the end, its actually good news for cinema, because TV is indeed giving cinema a run for its money, and keeping cinema from resting on its laurels (which it did a few years back)

Okay, I see. In this way I would have to completely agree with you. I think that everytime Cinema has received an open frontal attack it has always emerged stronger... The switch from double features to single features... The introduction of TV... The introduction of VHS... Even piracy has helped in making movies an unstoppable worldwide phenomenon...

Now we (as the current and future movie producers) have to survive and emerge stronger from the Internet and file sharing... it can and will be done. I don't agree with George Lucas in just 'giving up now because it will hurt more later'.

[Manfred Lopez]

Oh, and I also think technological developments like Red will asure the dominance of Cinema as the premiere medium for top quality entertainment. I am sure most people here are not buying the Red One to just shoot TV.

[Ace]

Oh, and I also think technological developments like Red will asure the dominance of Cinema as the premiere medium for top quality entertainment. I am sure most people here are not buying the Red One to just shoot TV.

As long as people go out on dates, cinema will survive. The ritualistic act of going to the theatre extends far beyond the film you see. One can even call it an integral part of modern day sexual courtship. This is why cinemas will be saving grace for studios in times of rampant piracy. All the more reason for studio's to support cinemas in converting to digital.

[Steve Gibby]

I never said that cinema is going down. Entertainment in all areas is rising as a whole. Music, TV, Cinema, Radio. The rise in cinema ticket sales over the past 2 years does not mean that TV isnt having an effect on cinema, because it evidently is: The fact is that films have to be that much more competitive with TV now that people are accustomed to a certain quality of entertainment at a minimum level (TV). So this means better special effects, higher budgets for films, cleverer story lines, more star power (higher budgets), levereging franchises like marvel comics etc (higher budgets) and so on. So in the end, its actually good news for cinema, because TV is indeed giving cinema a run for its money, and keeping cinema from resting on its laurels (which it did a few years back)

FWIW - I agree with you Ace. The motion media marketplace is evolving. The traditional "I'm a filmmaker, I wouldn't lower myself to do TV" attitude has been abandoned by a growing segment of high profile, crossover producers. Why? Economics and newly evolving technologies that enable producers to make a good living in television, consumers changing modes of viewing content, and the technology now enabling good production values in television programs.

In the February 26, 2007 issue of Newsweek magazine, IMO Devin Gordon makes some excellent observations on the changing landscape of the motion media marketplace:

"Why TV is Better Than Movies" - Newsweek, 2/26/07

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17200496/site/newsweek/

As a longtime producer/director of international and national television programs, I'm welcoming the changes in the motion media marketplace. I think it would be fiscal and professional wisdom for those adopting RED One to keep an open mind on the production genre possibilities RED One enables - and in the process give themselves a better chance of effectively competing in a very competitive motion media marketplace.

Why would someone choose to be a one-legged person in a fiscal ass-kicking contest by voluntarily restricting their production genres to just being a “filmmaker”? Open your minds and your pocketbooks and professional opportunities will commensurately open.

RED One has very few limitations…do you? If you do, are they chosen or imposed upon you? I see no professional or fiscal wisdom in self-imposed limitations on creativity, genres serviced, and the marketing of our projects. Swallow your pride, and “lower” yourself to doing some TV projects with RED One. A lot of celebrity workers in the motion media industry, with huge resumes, have recently done exactly that, for the reasons I’ve enumerated above.

I disagree with the title of the Newsweek article – TV is not “better” than Movies, but TV is no longer the redheaded stepchild of the motion media marketplace that nobody “important” wants to do. It’s a new marketplace out there…open your eyes and you’ll see it.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Gotcha! :matrix:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3639/jacksonredjc9.jpg

Finally!!!

[Manfred Lopez]

Gibby, I agree with you mostly. TV has become a 'repsectable' medium. But it has become so largelly because of HBO and Showtime which emulated Movie standards on television... After all, HBO stands for Home Box Office.

My gripe (if I even have one) is with the major networks who try to emulate HBO. That's two generations of copying and therefore doomed to get something wrong... which is, in my opinion, the tendency to only up the technical quality of the filming without paying attention to story structure. TV networks have not improved at all in this department.

So my point originally is that movies are in no danger of being overshadowed by TV programing. The advertising industry will guarantee that this won't happen any time soon (because of ad interruption in programing, like I explained in a previous post).

P.S. I have nothing at all against working in TV. It is a great place to earn a living.

[Sanjin Jukic]

TV was ruling European film production from early 70's. Fellini, Fassbinder, Godard and Bergman were working a lot for different European TV productions. From our European perspective nothing new. The same old story: When the film production is in a financial crisis then TV is entering the game etc...obsolete and boring production film/TV world story...but it is going to evolve soon like a new media situation in this global warming age...and you will call it...???

[Manfred Lopez]

... Why would someone choose to be a one-legged person in a fiscal ass-kicking contest by voluntarily restricting their production genres to just being a “filmmaker”?


On this I must sadly disagree. Although poetically it should be this way, in the harsh unkind reality of the cruel, cruel world one would be wiser to choose one thing to specialize in and excel. If one wants to be a top tier director one would be better served to just focus on high quality cinematic projects (today still far easier to get going in the movie industry). In this scenario one has to be extremely careful of each project one chooses because one false move and your career (at this level) could be over.

If one just wants to be an equal-opportunity worker in any facet of the industry, then that is fine, but it will be very hard to grow in any one area. This, of course, doesn’t mean that once you make it you can’t ‘switch over’ to another medium, or even dabble with the occasional vanity project. But if people are serious about a high level career in film directing / production, then the initial choices are very important and I would recommend sticking to movies. I think this is largely because movies are still viewed by the public as being able to be the artistic vision of a single person.

[Steve Gibby]

TheThe,

Describing TV in terms of just HBO or Showtime is like describing the movie industry in limited terms like Horror flicks or action dramas. Cinema and TV both have a broad range of genres and sub-genres. Narrative cinema broadcasting is just one genre of television broadcasting. For TV, the obvious other genres are documentaries, sports, music, episodics, daytime, reality, and many more. RED One is technically capable of being used in the production of all of those TV genres. There are a vast number of channels and networks in the TV production and broadcasting universe that have nothing to do with HBO, Showtime, or broadcast networks trying to emulate them.

TV ad revenues are volatile. For high rated programs like American Idol or sports specials like the NFL Super Bowl, ad revenues are strong. Other genres and size programs sometimes struggle for ad revenues. The true darkhorse in the motion media industry is emerging revenue streams like IPTV, web downloads, mobile TV, etc. Web ad revenues have also been increasing. The effective marketing strategy looking forward will be to leverage motion media content out into every ancillary revenue stream possible, throughout every delivery technology possible. The old revenue model of simply making a movie and only marketing it in theaters, and nowhere else, disappeared a long time ago. Features must be leveraged through multiple delivery platforms in order to survive fiscally.

Convergence is here…in production genres, their delivery platform, and their revenue potential. RED One fits quite nicely into that paradigm…

[Craig Schober]

I never said that cinema is going down. Entertainment in all areas is rising as a whole. Music, TV, Cinema, Radio. The rise in cinema ticket sales over the past 2 years does not mean that TV isnt having an effect on cinema, because it evidently is: The fact is that films have to be that much more competitive with TV now that people are accustomed to a certain quality of entertainment at a minimum level (TV). So this means better special effects, higher budgets for films, cleverer story lines, more star power (higher budgets), levereging franchises like marvel comics etc (higher budgets) and so on. So in the end, its actually good news for cinema, because TV is indeed giving cinema a run for its money, and keeping cinema from resting on its laurels (which it did a few years back)

all the things you site go into the actual film or movie but not the viewing experience. tv and home theater experience have been increasing in quality but i don't see the same improvements in the movie theater. no one (movie going public) knows or cares about digital projection vs. film, audiences are too rowdy and ticket/candy prices have steadily risen with no substantial improvements in actual theatrical experience. i think that's what people complain about when they say movies today are no good.

tv viewing experiences have improved along with tv production values. only film production values (arguably) have improved.

i have a 180" screen at home and i still go out for the "big screen" experience but less and less. the commercials, cell phones, annoying people, candy wrapper crinkling and overpriced everything just barely outweigh the experience and ability to see first run features. and no one i know is much different. like younger moviegoers we all have plenty of expendible income but unlike that young demographic, we are getting older so maybe that's it.

[Kenn Christenson]

There will always be a place for long form (feature) entertainment. The question is - where will it be viewed?

I believe (with the advent of larger, less expensive screens and Blue Ray/HDDVDs) viewers will be increasingly inclined to skip a theatrical run and wait for the "DVD release." We're already seeing the shift in the older demographics.

While it is true there is "something" about seeing a film in a theater, I think people are opting out of the rude person kicking the back of your seat and talking during the film - not to mention the Coca Cola coated floors.

[Manfred Lopez]

TheThe,

Describing TV in terms of just HBO or Showtime is like describing the movie industry in limited terms like Horror flicks or action dramas. …

Gibby, I think you missed the original argument / discussion which started a few pages back. It started when Acehole said that TV was giving movies a run for their money.

To that I answered that Movies where safe from extinction or irrevelance because they are the only format where one can tell a well-told, uninterrupted structured story. I never said anything negative about the TV as an industry. My only complaint is that when the large TV networks (the big three) venture into Cinema's turf, they still have a ways to go. This is primarily because the commercials that interrupt the 'cinematic' shows render them episodic. I never had anything to say about the rest of the TV programing. I am just defending Movies and that they still hold the top place as far as entertainment quality is concerned (not quantity).

It is quite clear to me that the average teen will rather spend his time in front of the computer or tv. But this is mostly due to lethargy. The moment he or she actually musters enough energy to actually get up and be entertained in a good way, chances are that they will go see a movie.

[Petr Dvorak]

Oh man, Jarred is living the high life! :matrix:

Not so high, coz he dont fit in that plane. He is slightly taller. ;p)
High life with pain in neck and couple lupms on head :D

[PaulClements]

Interesting debate about film and tv, however, any news from Jim or Jarred about there interesting day out? Would love to hear Jackson's opinion about the camera.

[Dan Blanchett]

That RED can be used for virtually any type of production has become, by now, a truism. It goes without saying. How you choose to use your RED, however, is a personal choice and depends on where your ambitions and dreams lay.

At this point in my life, I personally want to make movies, because the stories I write lend themselves to that medium. And for me, there is still a certain kind of magic in the movies that I just don't see in TV. I don't see that ending anytime soon (as much as I enjoy Battlestar Galactica).

Now if I were a working DP, rather than a writer/director making indie films, I might have a more pragmatic view of the world. And I might not.

(sorry if this keeps straying off-topic-- hard to believe the RED is possibly in Peter's hands. What an endorsement!!)

[Steve Gibby]

On this I must sadly disagree. Although poetically it should be this way, in the harsh unkind reality of the cruel, cruel world one would be wiser to choose one thing to specialize in and excel. If one wants to be a top tier director one would be better served to just focus on high quality cinematic projects (today still far easier to get going in the movie industry). In this scenario one has to be extremely careful of each project one chooses because one false move and your career (at this level) could be over. .

Life is full of choices. If someone wants to limit themselves to a single genre within the motion media industry, fine, but along with that will come the inevitable financial struggles that are the by-product of that limiting choice. As media has converged, I’ve seen it as an opportunity to move horizontally in skill sets, while moving vertically in experience within them. In a non-union, indie production environment that is possible. I’ve professionally lived what I’ve just described. In non-union national television I started as a PA, then worked progressively upward to being a cameraman, scriptwriter, editor, director, producer, and executive producer, and paid dues and learned at every step. I specialized and excelled in all those positions. The end result? National awards in every one of those job positions, 800 national TV programs on 12 networks, multiple Emmy Awards, and scores of other awards. I quote none of this from ego, but rather to let you know that I have professionally lived the opposite of what you are recommending. Be a specialist? Too often a specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less - until they know everything about nothing!

I’ve also spread my industry skills into many other mediums (see below)



If one just wants to be an equal-opportunity worker in any facet of the industry, then that is fine, but it will be very hard to grow in any one area. This, of course, doesn’t mean that once you make it you can’t ‘switch over’ to another medium, or even dabble with the occasional vanity project. But if people are serious about a high level career in film directing / production, then the initial choices are very important and I would recommend sticking to movies. I think this is largely because movies are still viewed by the public as being able to be the artistic vision of a single person.

I disagree (see above). With media convergence most mediums are now digitally related. The technology is very relative from one digital media industry to another. There may be a certain percentage of people who simply want to channel their energy into a certain niche of the motion media industry. That’s fine, but they choose a narrow set of skills, they need to be prepared for commensurately narrow chances to progress, professionally and financially. I started in films stills 40 years ago, added in video and film 30 years ago, added in web design 12 years ago, and added in digital cinema 10 years ago, and added in digital photography 5 years ago.

High level film director/production career? Nobody will “film” anything with RED One. They will “record” or “shoot”, but not “film”. If a project is acquired digitally, edited digitally, mastered digitally, and delivered/marketed digitally, and is projected digitally in a theater, is it a “film”? No…it’s a movie, or a digital cinema piece. If it is produced digitally all the way through, with a film-out at the end, is it a “film”? No…it’s a movie or a digital cinema piece. Film will be around for some time to come, but the inevitable future of movies is digital.

Movies viewed by the public as the artistic expression of a single person? IMO all motion media projects, whether film or television, are the collective effort of a group of people. The producer/director portion of my career has been almost entirely as an “indie”. Even when the networks contracted my services for one-offs and series, it was freelance. I balanced that with multiples of my own branded series and one-offs, that I personally self-syndicated for national airings. I don’t think the public views film-originated movies any different than digital cinema originated movies, or any different than television programs in the sense of them being the creative vision of one single person. In publicity, movie producers, directors, and other above the line people are held up to the public as identity pieces for marketing, but those same producers and directors, just like television producers and directors, will generally be the first to acknowledge that the production was a team effort.

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We’re off-thread here. To get back on-thread, I think it is awesome that well-known feature directors like Peter Jackson are apparently embracing the possible use of RED one. And why not? RED One should be an excellent new tool in the toolbox of any digital cinema producer, director, DP, or cinematographer. Along with that, it should also be a great tool for a broad range of television genres. It wouldn't entirely surprise me to see Peter Jackson also produce/direct some specialty television programs using RED One...

TheThe, you’re passionate about the niche you’ve chosen in the motion media industry. To each their own. I’ve chosen to spread my skill sets and genres with what technology enabled progressively over the years. I sincerely wish you the best with your career path. I’ve enjoyed mine…

[Clayton Harper]

Gibby,

Please keep in mind that not all of us mere mortals have your god-like skill set.

:)

I don't think it hurts anyone working in production to broaden their knowledge. Otherwise, you risk being obsolete. Just think of all the people who have stayed willfully ignorant of Red to this point.

I hope some of us have the good fortune to meet you in person at NAB and soak up some wisdom.

[Manfred Lopez]

...To each their own. I’ve chosen to spread my skill sets and genres with what technology enabled progressively over the years. I sincerely wish you the best with your career path. I’ve enjoyed mine…

Gibby,

AN APOLOGY

Man-o-man, how I feel frustrated by being misunderstood. This is the basic problem with posting on the net. I think that your achievements are tremendous and well earned. I hope that nothing I wrote could give you the opposite idea. But I do have to say this: When I was giving ‘advice’, I probably meant it more for people starting off, and possibly with less talent than you. Not that many people can develop multi-disciplinary talents like you and get to the place that you are at. Also, I guess I meant my comment more for those seeking to be directors. And lastly, my comments where completely within the context of a discussion I was having with Acehole and some others. It all started because of George Lucas. So please blame him. :biggrin:

THE AUTHOR THEORY

Also, when I said the thing about movies potentially being perceived as the artistic expression of a single person… I meant by the public (in fact, I did write ‘by the public’). I know that this notion is very far from the actual truth. But the public still says they want to see “Tarantino’s” latest flick Grindhouse… or they will say they loved “George Lucas’s” ‘Return of the Jedy’ (which he didn’t even direct). I’m just saying movies have that something extra to them that make them, in the public’s eyes, author-worthy.

ON THE TV INDUSTRY

Please understand, I am really, really, really not saying anything against the TV industry, nor Video vs. Film, nor your-method vs. mine… Really, I was just trying to defend the feature length Movie… what is also known as the motion picture… yes, even the commonly called ‘film’. I was trying to defend that it is the medium that would make the most of us the proudest to be involved in. At least I think so. For this very reason I think the Red team made the right choice in promoting the fact that their camera will first be used in a Movie.

THE WORD “FILM”

To tell the truth, I was hoping you would forgive me on using the term “film” interchangeably with “movie”. I think we all know that technically film is film and not digital, bla bla bla… but I sometimes fall prey to common usage.

*********

So anyway, I apologize if my words have caused you to think I was actually trying to argue against you. I wasn’t. Please keep in mind that you joined in a discussion halfway through and probably misread one of my posts (a very easy thing to do here).

[Steve Gibby]

Gibby,

Please keep in mind that not all of us mere mortals have your god-like skill set.

:)

I hope some of us have the good fortune to meet you in person at NAB and soak up the wisdom.

(I'm totally sincere and not teasing, BTW.)

LOL!...I'll also look forward to meeting everyone at NAB. I'm a simple guy like anyone else: I live on the coast, hang out in shorts, jeans, and T shirts, and do fun things like surf, mountainbike, camp, etc. - and constantly have a camera of some sort in my hand. At heart I'm a cinematographer, videographer, and photographer. There's nothing like the rush of getting some good images. Nobody I pass on the street even knows what I do for a living...and I prefer it that way.

I don't have all the answers, but I have been around the industry for a long time and learned a little. I'm not a workaholic. I believe in working smart rather than working long. I've just been really fortunate to have had some very cool opportunities to work and learn come my way over the years. I'm not posessive with that knowledge. I really like helping others, because so many others helped me over the years.

C-ya at NAB!!

[Steve Gibby]

TheThe,

To use a phrase I picked up on my travels to Australia "No worries mate!" I understand your position much better now. Discussions like we've had are real important for the vitality and progression of the RED User community. We're a worldwide family of RED adopters from diverse backgrounds. It's through everyone presenting their insight and ideas that we progress individually and as a community. This is exactly how an online tech forum should function.

Cheers!

[Manfred Lopez]

TheThe,

To use a phrase I picked up on my travels to Australia "No worries mate!" [...] ...This is exactly how an online tech forum should function.



I am so glad you don't hate me. :tongue:
I agree that the posts here are addictive and well worth it. I have learned so much since Red announced their plans and since Jarred started this forum. In the meantime, for all those who joined us late, I invite you to blame everything on George Lucas. :)

After all he is the one abandoning feature films:


"Lucasfilm is getting out of the movie biz"


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117951284.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[Dan Blanchett]

"Lucasfilm is getting out of the movie biz"


His technological contributions notwithstanding, Lucas should have gotten out of the movie biz 25 years ago.

<disgruntled old school SW fan>

EDIT: Maybe I'm being too harsh on George. Nah...

[Kenn Christenson]

His technological contributions notwithstanding, Lucas should have gotten out of the movie biz 25 years ago.

<disgruntled old school SW fan>

EDIT: Maybe I'm being too harsh on George. Nah...
Absolutely! If Episode 1 had been the first SW film released, that would have been "all she wrote."

To get back on subject, sort of - kind of like if King Kong had been released before Lord of the Rings :)

[Dan Blanchett]

Exactly. Or GI Jane before Blade Runner. Or War of the Worlds before JAWS. Etc etc. But at least with those directors was some hope for more classics down the road.

[Jaime Vallés]

Maybe The Lovely Bones (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0380510/) will be shot on RED... That'd be cool.

[feb31films]

the meantime, for all those who joined us late, I invite you to blame everything on George Lucas. :)

After all he is the one abandoning feature films:


"Lucasfilm is getting out of the movie biz"


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117951284.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


Well, Lucas may be getting out but it looks like somebody else is getting in! Meet Jar-Red!

[Jaime Vallés]

Well, Lucas may be getting out but it looks like somebody else is getting in! Meet Jar-Red!
The horror! The HORROR! My eyes are burning. Please somebody make the bad man stop!

[Dan Blanchett]

Quick! Somebody blast him!

:gun:

[Kenn Christenson]

Better get rid of "Jar-Red" before someone at Sony sees it.

[Jared VanLeuven]

Mee-za wanna shoot 4k!

Pray Han shoots first on this one! :D

[PaulClements]

Mee-za wanna shoot 4k!

Pray Han shoots first on this one! :D

Hahahaha

[Häakon]

High level film director/production career? Nobody will “film” anything with RED One. They will “record” or “shoot”, but not “film”. If a project is acquired digitally, edited digitally, mastered digitally, and delivered/marketed digitally, and is projected digitally in a theater, is it a “film”? No…it’s a movie, or a digital cinema piece. If it is produced digitally all the way through, with a film-out at the end, is it a “film”? No…it’s a movie or a digital cinema piece.
Just a technicality of symantics, Gibbs. :-) I think many people use the word "film" interchangably with "movie" regardless of the point of origin, and honestly, I don't think there's much wrong with that. Language evolves.

I agree with you, however, that the future of cinema is clearly in the digital domain. In many cases, it already is.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Record = Audio
Shoot = Fashion and stills
Film = Movies

So says my verbal semantics.

"Hey honey want to go see a digital cinema piece?"

[Steve Gibby]

Haakon: LOL...yeah, I've wrestled with evolving terminology just like everyone else. Straddling both the film and video worlds like I do, I run with both crowds. Seems to me it's mostly those with a heavy film background that naturally just call digital cinema "filming". Those from a TV/video background have been used to saying "taping" for a long time, but obviously can't apply that to RED One. In my experience they're the ones more likely to say "shoot" or "record" when it comes to RED One. I'll undoubtedly say "shoot" or "record" when referring to the process with RED One. It also avoids confusion with tech-challenged clients who get confused by the term "film" and assume that I'll be shooting their project in 35mm or S16mm.

Gavin: No doubt...to each their own on that. I'll say "film" movies if I'm using the film medium. If it's digital cinema, I'll use "shoot" or "record". "Hey baby, lets check out the cinema tonight" is fine for me and my wife. She's also a longtime professional Production Coordinator in the motion media industry and a darn good camerawoman/DSLR photographer in her own right - she knows the difference in the technology for each medium. My CMOS DSLR and my CMOS RED One use nearly identical technology, and the DSLR shoots at 5 fps, and RED One can also shoot at 5 fps, and I'll use Flash in both. I "shoot" with the DSLR, so it makes sense to me that I also "shoot" with RED One.

No matter what someone chooses to call it - bring on RED One! Just a few more weeks to NAB now...somewhere around NAB time I hope to have my first RED camera (#8). When I do, you can rest assured that me and others (to be named) will be putting it through some grueling tests and sharing the results here on RED User and a few other places.

[Clint Johnson]

Well, as a rank amateur, I thought I'd put my two bits on the off-topic table.

On the feature versus television scale, I'll slide over to television because I'm a story teller. I don't have anything against features but at only a couple hours they are short stories... very short stories. Television with a hundred or more hours gives you a series of novels - and most of the stories that I want to tell are bigger than a feature film can hold.

I do have a few short stories in me, and if that is how I need to get into the business I will create them with passion and great affection... then hopefully move up to television!

Clint steps back from the computer and climbs into his Nomex suit.

[Steve Gibby]

Nobody should be roasting you for that choice Clint. You should follow your instincts and do stuff that you're really interested in. That way your work will be much better. No matter what you decide to do, you can rest assured there will be somebody to tell you that you're wrong. As long as you know your goals, just stick with them. Others can do their own thing...

[Häakon]

No matter what someone chooses to call it - bring on RED One! Just a few more weeks to NAB now...somewhere around NAB time I hope to have my first RED camera (#8). When I do, you can rest assured that me and others (to be named) will be putting it through some grueling tests and sharing the results here on RED User and a few other places.
Call me up when you do; I'm just right down the road and would love to help out. I'm in the relatively first batch of cameras too (#80) and it is definitely going to get its fair share of use by me! :-)

[Steve Gibby]

Haak,

I'll do that. Testing will be hopefully the week after NAB - not confirmed, but I got my fingers crossed. We'll test it in the L.A. area...more info soon.

[Brook Willard]

Jim has 1-6... Gibby has 8... who has 7?

[Steve Gibby]

Jim has 1-5, Offhollywood has 6 and 7, I have 8

[Alexander Nikishin]

I still remember you opening that invitation to me as well Gibby, well to my alter ego Mr. Blonde. :gun:

I'd love to join in on that testing as well, I'll bring a set of Nikkor primes to test out.

[Steve Gibby]

I still remember you opening that invitation to me as well Gibby, well to my alter ego Mr. Blonde. :gun:

I'd love to join in on that testing as well, I'll bring a set of Nikkor primes to test out.

Mr Who? Never heard of you... (LOL...Just kidding!)

I do remember inviting you. I'm still finalizing the facility we will be testing at. Suggestions via PM or email to me are welcome. Once I have the facility nailed down, I'll PM and email out invites. I'll include you. I don't want anyone to get their feelings hurt. I wish I could invite all the RED Heads that live in the L.A. area but obviously that will be impossible. The test location will be kept confidential until after the testing. More info to come...

[Alexander Nikishin]

Sounds like a good time! I'll bring some lighting equipment as well if needed.

[Albert Cheng]

Uhh...yeah...I remember being invited too...yeah that's it.

I can offer a chroma du monde chip chart with trumpets. :biggrin:

[Chris Gearhart]

I'll bring the Doritoes. And MY NAME was Mr. Blonde on DVXuser.

[Alexander Nikishin]

I'll bring the Doritoes. And MY NAME was Mr. Blonde on DVXuser.

In your dreams jive turkey! :red_bandana:

[Scott Webster]

It's Saturday evening here in NZ. The jet has been refueled today so I take it Red are on their way home. I'll try and chase down some official or unofficial comment on Monday. My guess is everything will be locked down tighter than a sardines sphincter. No names, no court martials ;-)

Have a safe flight home guys.

[Sanjin Jukic]

R.E.D. Jet lag Eliminator (link!) (http://www.jetlag.net/).

[Petr Dvorak]

Record = Audio
Shoot = Fashion and stills
Film = Movies

So says my verbal semantics.

"Hey honey want to go see a digital cinema piece?"

or
"Hey honey want to go see this 4K piece?" :whistling:

[Paul Hazlett]

[/QUOTE] My guess is everything will be locked down tighter than a sardines sphincter. No names, no court martials ;-)

Have a safe flight home guys.[/QUOTE]

sardines have sphincters??? you learn something new everyday!!!

too funny..... oh and by the way Gibby, I remember you inviting me from
the east coast a while ago, remember we were at that party i had the lamp shade on my head....

[Michael Schrengohst]

My sources are working OT
Video of JJ's jet
Click the GREEN arrow to download

http://www.mediamax.com/mzhd2/Links/A457679BD8

[Tom Lowe]

indisputable evidence, that is.

[Brook Willard]

I think we have officially formed some sort of international dork squadron. You guys rock but you also scare the hell out of me. :)

[Casey Green]

"One Red to rule them all, One Red to find them, One Red to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."

:sorcerer: :sarcasm:

[Jess Charlton]

I think we have officially formed some sort of international dork squadron. You guys rock but you also scare the hell out of me.

:ninja: :ninja: :shifty: :ninja: Don't worry, we're mostly harmless.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm so glad I'm unpopular.

[Brook Willard]

I'm so glad I'm unpopular.

They would stalk you... but you post so much that they pretty much know where you are at all times. :bleh:

[Manfred Lopez]

...but you post so much that they pretty much know where you are at all times. :bleh:

Speaking of posting a lot, one more and I reach 100 :w00t: :biggrin:

Will I get a special price?

[Alex Boothby]

You become a geriatric. Just go for it.

[M Olsen]

Depending on the flight path to Wellington JJ and jarred could have looked down on the home of Red 1442, a mere 25 mins out from Wellington, New Zealand.

[Jess Charlton]

That is such a cute little island. Can I visit?

[Manfred Lopez]

You become a geriatric. Just go for it.


100th Post!!!!! I've become a senior member...:devil:

Now, who is going to email me all the secret info on all the secret Red gatherings that all the secret senior-only members are entitled to?

[Brook Willard]

Depending on the flight path to Wellington JJ and jarred could have looked down on the home of Red 1442, a mere 25 mins out from Wellington, New Zealand.

Man, it must suck living in paradise.

[Corrado Silveri]

Really boring and annoying...

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

Wait untill the sea level starts to rise...

(sorry to rain on your parade, better start thinking GREEN)

[CVB]

Oh yeah? Well hows this for paradise?

[Chris Gearhart]

100th Post!!!!! I've become a senior member...:devil:

Now, who is going to email me all the secret info on all the secret Red gatherings that all the secret senior-only members are entitled to?

You get a senior discount on Oakley reading glasses. That's about it, really. :matrix:

[Jeff Kilgroe]

They would stalk you... but you post so much that they pretty much know where you are at all times. :bleh:

No, they don't.... WiFi. :whistling:

[M Olsen]

That is such a cute little island. Can I visit?

You you are welcome but hey, its a Peninsula, no need to get wet !

[Manfred Lopez]

Oh yeah? Well hows this for paradise?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=349&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1175380421



Guess which house will be broken into sometime in september.

[Joe Carney]

I have GOT to get to NZ before I'm to old to have fun. Anybody got discount tickets?
Checked Yahoo travel, I can fly round trip to Wellington for roughly 1700.00 US
It's 24 hours one way and more men than women live there. Hmmmm.

[M Olsen]

Wait untill the sea level starts to rise...

(sorry to rain on your parade, better start thinking GREEN)

True, should be good for another 50 years but I won't want the RED to gather dust between sunset shots so I am on the move.

[CVB]

Guess which house will be broken into sometime in september.

Lucky for Me I didnt post latitude and longitude :)

[M Olsen]

I have GOT to get to NZ before I'm to old to have fun. Anybody got discount tickets?
Checked Yahoo travel, I can fly round trip to Wellington for roughly 1700.00 US
It's 24 hours one way and more men than women live there. Hmmmm.

70 million Sheep though..

[chuck colburn]

70 million Sheep though..

Baaaaarbara and Maaargaret!
Those are the ones with the Blue bows in their hair... not the RED ONES!

[Manfred Lopez]

Lucky for Me I didnt post latitude and longitude :)

How about:

latitude
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
longitude
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

:blink:

That Red User's map is a scary thing. You can look up member's location by their reservation number. Just zoom all the way in after following this link:


L I N K . R E M O V E D .


EDIT:

By the way, I am just trying to point out that one should be careful what one posts on the internet. Sometimes I feel that this forum could be used as a shoping list for people with the wrong intentions.

EDIT #2:

Incriminating Information removed. :)

[CVB]

Do you honestly think I would put a pointer to my house on the web? Best of luck in your nefarious deeds.

[Manfred Lopez]

Do you honestly think I would put a pointer to my house on the web? Best of luck in your nefarious deeds.

I hope you haven't. Like I said, just trying to point out something. I'll go ahead and delete the above link and remove the coordinates. No harm done. :usd:

Remember children, don't accept candy from strangers and don't post where your Red camera is... unless you are a rental house and have advanced security and a pittbull named dragon with emotional problems... :)

[CVB]

Well I feel sorry for the poor saps that live at the addresses that we all picked out. Some burglars will keep breaking into their homes and no one will know why :)

[Clint Johnson]

My co-ordinates are up on the map but I am protected by being in the middle of nowhere and having a wolf (http://www.clint-johnson.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=92&Itemid=27). If you get past the wolf? Well then things can get really ugly for ya. Us mountain folk can be the salt of the earth but you cross us and the next thing you know we'll be complimentin' ya on having a real purty mouth.
http://www.clint-johnson.com/images/Article_illustration/wolf-and-deer_3501.jpg

[Manfred Lopez]

I am just glad that google hasn't gotten around to zoning where I'm at. The zoom and satelite photos only go down to like level 5 or something (not even city level). But in the US one could always put the little red dot on like 5 houses over or so.

[Chris Gearhart]

My co-ordinates are up on the map but I am protected by being in the middle of nowhere and having a wolf (http://www.clint-johnson.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=92&Itemid=27). If you get past the wolf? Well then things can get really ugly for ya. Us mountain folk can be the salt of the earth but you cross us and the next thing you know we'll be complimentin' ya on having a real purty mouth.

I bet Chuck Colburn could take you. He's from Orygun.

Chuck, you keep Clint and the puppy busy, and I'll go look for the Red.

[chuck colburn]

000_0007_1.JPG:

This is Jake. He's the cofounder of Jakes Location Security Services where our motto is "You aren't going to like me, and your'e going to really hate the dog"

[chuck colburn]

Damn, I don't know how to link a photo. Picture a 120lb. German Shepard/Rottenwiler mix with Clints eyes and you get the basic picture. LOL

[Jeff Kilgroe]

the next thing you know we'll be complimentin' ya on having a real purty mouth.

Squeal, piggy! Squeeeeaal!!! Eewww.. :ohmy:

[Manfred Lopez]

Damn, I just found out that Mike over at HD for Indies has linked to this very thread... So in addition to all the usual red users and cinematography.comers, now we'll also have all the HDindies reading about how to make the piggy squeaaaal... and where to find a Red camera and a pet wolf... :biggrin: :mellow: :blink:

[Clint Johnson]

I'm one to let people keep underestimating me so I'll concede the fight to Chuck... but while he has me and Spirit busy, you'll find Foster before you find Red #351.
http://www.clint-johnson.com/images/Article_illustration/I_Am_Back/Foster-Snarl.jpg

[Manfred Lopez]

I wonder if I link back to Mike's blog where he links to here... will this create an infinite loop that will suck this entire forum into the 5th dimention?

[chuck colburn]

Damn Clint!

Foster is beautiful! Do I detect a bit of Newfie in there?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm one to let people keep underestimating me so I'll concede the fight to Chuck... but while he has me and Spirit busy, you'll find Foster before you find Red #351.

Here's the solution to foster... Send in the seductive female. And if things go wrong, she can hold her own. She's a lot bigger than she looks and faster than any other dog I've ever met.

[chuck colburn]

Jeff,

I showed Jake the photo of the seductive female and he got all excited (if you know what I mean) and wants to meet her. He didn't seem too interested in Spirit or Foster though... mayby someday they will all meet and cut a swath thru the world such as never been seen. Of course they will be led by Gibby's Corgi as she is royalty.

[Steve Gibby]

My Corgi won't be leading anyone anywhere...I don't have a Corgi...I was just joking about having one! Gibby is a Welsh name and a Corgi is the only Welsh breed I could think of...Cool dogs though...If we ever settle down we may get one...

I've been too mobile to have a dog...but the last ones I had were two Golden Retrievers when I lived in Orygun...you know, in Zig Zag...

[Clint Johnson]

Ahh, but we have Casey... I was keeping the alpha bitch as a surprise reserve in case of just such a scenario. So to recap, Spirit is the wolf, Foster is the Black Lab/Rottweiler cross and Casey is the Golden Retriever.
http://www.clint-johnson.com/images/Article_illustration/casey_spirit_3799.jpg

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Ooooh.... Boomer just saw casey and got aroused. He wants to offer up the tattered remains of his favorite Christmas toy as a token of his affection.

[Clint Johnson]

Who knew Reduser.net would turn into a doggie dating service?

[Jim Arthurs]

Gibby is a Welsh name and a Corgi is the only Welsh breed I could think of...Cool dogs though...If we ever settle down we may get one...

We have two Corgi's... the male has grand mal seizures once a week, usually at 3:00AM. What fun!

That's really what I want the RED for... nothing like photographing a Corgi having a seizure in 4K...

http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/MISC/CORK.jpg
http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/MISC/PIXEL.jpg

Love 'em both...

[Chris Gearhart]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/9672/1175402845.jpg

[Anders Holck]

Actually Sam bears quite a resemblance to the Rat Monkey of Braindead (Dead Alive):
http://www.toastedpixel.com/comic/clips/zombiehistory/deadalive.jpg
http://www.clubdesmonstres.com/braindead005.jpg

[Dan Blanchett]

I loved that movie!

[JVB]

a little off topic i think

[Alexander Nikishin]

Just a little eh? :clown2:

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yeah, we de-railed this one in a hurry... So, anyone know when if Jim's jet has left NZ for sure and when?

[Manfred Lopez]

Also, is it official that Peter Jackson played with a Red One? Did he provide any input and suggestions?

[Hrvoje Simic]

I hope they got lots of NZ's stunning scenery footage.

[Shawn Nelson]

I've been telling everyone about Peter Jackson testing the Red One! It really helps in telling people who have no idea what Red is...I just drop that Peter Jackson is helping them and they go "oh wow!"

[Manfred Lopez]

I've been telling everyone about Peter Jackson testing the Red One! It really helps in telling people who have no idea what Red is...I just drop that Peter Jackson is helping them and they go "oh wow!"

Yes, but is it true?


P.S. That dog at the top of the page really bothers me...

[Chris Gearhart]

He's dead now. Don't worry.

(The dog at the top of the page, that is.)

[Shawn Nelson]

Yes, but is it true?


Truth by omission...if it wasn't true, a Red guy would have jumped on here and denied it by now.

[jbeale]

Or that Red has a media blackout until NAB and they can't be bothered to comment on whatever rumours that people can think up. The jet photos do imply that Jannard is in that part of the world and meeting Peter Jackson is a logical inference, but until someone who knows actually reports on it, it's still a rumour.

[M Olsen]

I loved that movie!

I have to put my hand up.... I was the Camera Operator on Brain Dead.

[Anders Holck]

I have to put my hand up.... I was the Camera Operator on Brain Dead.

No shit!

You kick ass....FOR THE LORD!

[M Olsen]

No shit!

You kick ass....FOR THE LORD!

Yes a huge amount of fun. Clever humor, some of the funniest bits hit the cutting room floor. ( IMHO)

[Matt Redmond]

The jet photos do imply that Jannard is in that part of the world and meeting Peter Jackson is a logical inference, but until someone who knows actually reports on it, it's still a rumour.

Granted, it is yet unknown if Peter and Jim have actually said hello face to face. However they ARE in Wellington and using PJ's facilities (for what reason we can only speculate).

If you fly all the way over the pacific to visit Pete's world, then you may as well see Pete, sit back, and have a chat over a cup of hot cocoa.

The cocoa is speculation, mind. ;)

[Dan Blanchett]

Yes a huge amount of fun. Clever humor, some of the funniest bits hit the cutting room floor. ( IMHO)

Awesome. I can just imagine...

For sheer gory fun, no zombie movie has topped the lawnmower scene before or since, IMHO.

[M Olsen]

Awesome. I can just imagine...

For sheer gory fun, no zombie movie has topped the lawnmower scene before or since, IMHO.

Imagine the suits we were wearing, like forensic one piece whites with hoods, it was a hard time for the A\C's as the blood and gore had a fruit pulp element so things got pretty sticky and of course the stench as there was quite a bit of tungsten burning heating it up nicely.
Dear oh dear !

[KETCH ROSSi]

P.J. is my Idol,

I was in the hospital for over two years and I had eard of the Lord of the Ring in four different lenguages true my travel before going in to the hospital, but by the time I come out all tree were already on DVD, I purchased the trilogy and usuali I do not wach a movie a second time, The Lord of the Ring trilogy I wached so many times I do not remember how many.

I will soon go to NZ my self with the propostrous intention of talking PJ to work with me on my project.

Yha, I know, but if you go true wath I had to go true, nothing is impossible any more, Nothing!

I love nothing more to knoe that Jim is in NZ with Him.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Dan Blanchett]

Imagine the suits we were wearing, like forensic one piece whites with hoods, it was a hard time for the A\C's as the blood and gore had a fruit pulp element so things got pretty sticky and of course the stench as there was quite a bit of tungsten burning heating it up nicely.
Dear oh dear !

Mark, sounds like a blast! :nuke:


Ketch, that must have been something. Jackson's films are a perfect escapism when 'real life' is not so good.

[Andrew Benz]

KETCH, I am very glad you are out, about and moving forward.

Cheers,

Andrew

[KETCH ROSSi]

Mark, sounds like a blast! :nuke:


Ketch, that must have been something. Jackson's films are a perfect escapism when 'real life' is not so good.

Thinkburg,

I could have not put it in better words!

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Craig Ryan]

Rereading through this thread made my night.

[M Olsen]

Mark, sounds like a blast! :nuke:




Well the thing is there was a certain similarity between working with Peter Jackson on his early projects and the whole RED thing, and that is a sense of community, even family if you like.
Wellington was pretty small in the early 90's film wise..still is in many ways, we all knew each other and still do.
When you bond well you work well.
As a late but very proud RED reservation holder the feeling coming through on these boards is incredible, we are all on the same journey and already its as if I have made new friends.
Please excuse the rave !!

[secretguy]

i was there and so was red. believe the hype! red will rule the world.

[PaulClements]

Got any proof secretguy :)

Not that red will rule the world, that you were there hehe

[secretguy]

i'm in a strange position. not sure how much is public knowledge or how much is still secret. what do you lot know. anyone been to masterton recently? if anyone can answer that question then they know i know

[secretguy]

anyway, if peter jackson gets some reds then of course they'll rule the world! if anyone can make the most of this technology, he can

[Petr Dvorak]

well ...

http://www.mstn.govt.nz/images/castlepoint.jpg

"Masterton is located in the Wairarapa region of New Zealand. Located in the south east of the North Island, Masterton is just an hour away from the capital city, Wellington. You can see working farms, country gardens, and wild coastline complete with seal colonies. You'll be awed by the region's unique natural heritage. The rugged Tararua Mountains to the west and the wild Pacific Ocean to the east create a sense of isolation and wonder. The untamed coastline from Palliser Bay in the south to Akitio in the north is rich in Maori mythology. Discover New Zealand's rarest birds at Mt Bruce National Wildlife Centre, or watch seals at Cape Palliser where famous Maori explorer 'Kupe' landed. A full range of classic kiwi adventures are on offer from jet boating to hot air ballooning, from superb fishing to surfing."

... let me guess - some awesome location for shooting with RED? :shiftyph34r:

[PaulClements]

So to sum up, you were there with Red, and we can presume jarred, jim and I'm guessing peter jackson? So far correct? You're probably not Peter Jackson himself because I'm sure he's too modest to write "...if peter jackson gets some reds then of course they'll rule the world!". And we know here that he has already ordered at least one, so either you don't know that or don't know if you can highlight that fact. I've got no idea what Masterton has to do with it. Doesn't appear to be a place related to peter jackson or any film that I can see from a brief search, sounds like a small place so I imagine if one goes there you'd pretty much know what's what fairly quickly perhaps... dunno, I'm guessing you work at Park Road or something??? Hot or cold :)

Either that or you want us to believe you know something and you're just making stuff up :)

[Joel Kaye]

... let me guess - some awesome location for shooting with RED? :shiftyph34r:


Great codec and latitude testing at that spot. I'm looking forward to NAB. :-)

[KETCH ROSSi]

KETCH, I am very glad you are out, about and moving forward.

Cheers,

Andrew

Thanks Andrew, moving forward so fast no one will stop me this time.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[M Olsen]

i'm in a strange position. not sure how much is public knowledge or how much is still secret. what do you lot know. anyone been to masterton recently? if anyone can answer that question then they know i know
The Castlepoint beach races ? RED seem to like shooting tests of sport related events ? LOL.
PJ's massive theme parked holiday home just outside Masterton also...

[Petr Dvorak]

http://wairarapa.co.nz/times-age/weekly/races.html

http://www.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/s/SirLawrence/18.jpg

[Jess Charlton]

Nah, The Castlepoint beach races were on last weekend, the 24th of March.

http://www.eventfinder.co.nz/2007/mar/masterton/castlepoint-beach-races.html

[Scott Webster]

i'm in a strange position. not sure how much is public knowledge or how much is still secret. what do you lot know. anyone been to masterton recently? if anyone can answer that question then they know i know

I'd stop right there if I was you.:nuke:

[Tom Lowe]

secretguy, come clean!!!

[david farland]

Tom,
Do a google search on 'masterton' & 'peter jackson'.

You know you want to!

Cheers,

[Curran Giddens]

Another good reason for RED to be in New Zealand, its diverse climate makes it great for real-world testing. You can go from warm subtropical to severe alpine conditions in no time.

[Petr Dvorak]

Its old news but it looks that they are well prepared for realtime 4K

Peter Jackson's Wellington, New Zealand-based Park Road Post has installed a Pablo 4K - Quantel’s next generation non-linear color correction system - to enable a realtime 4K workflow for the award-winning post house. ...
http://www.quantel.com/site/en.nsf/HTML/7207EF3A711E73FA802571ED0055F52F

[Michael Schrengohst]

Maybe Jim and Jarred went to edit RED footage on Peters new system.
I think Peter needs the work.
Heh Heh Heh

[Ken Corben]

I don't know - looks like photoshop work to me with the fringing on the jet's profile. Besides, flying into NZ 2 weeks before NAB?

Highly suspect!

[Michael Schrengohst]

Didn't you see the video?
It was there....no one knows the who, what, when,
where or why. Sounds like great mystery marketing
to me.

[Jess Charlton]

I don't know - looks like photoshop work to me with the fringing on the jet's profile. Besides, flying into NZ 2 weeks before NAB?

Highly suspect!

No, not photoshop. The fringing was actually due to the fading light of the Wellington autumn sunset. To be honest, the light was so low that I didn't know I had the right jet until I got the photos onto my computer (Duh). Lucky my camera could see it better than me.

If we want the details, we'll have to wait for NAB (like I'll be there!) :sarcasm:
I'm sure you guys will keep me posted.

[Jannard]

You guys are such conspiracy theorists... we are working hard in Orange County getting ready for NAB. Give us a call. We are here.

Jim

[Alex Boothby]

You guys are such conspiracy theorists...
Jim

Flattery will get you everywhere.

[Matt Redmond]

You guys are such conspiracy theorists...

Who...us? Never. :sarcasm:


...we are working hard in Orange County getting ready for NAB. Give us a call. We are here.
Jim

And here's me thinking you were moving shop to Levin :)

[Scott Webster]

You guys are such conspiracy theorists... we are working hard in Orange County getting ready for NAB. Give us a call. We are here.

Jim

I'll give you a call, I've got plenty of questions.

[Brook Willard]

Now there's a conversation I'd like to hear.

"RED, ______ speaking."
"Hey, this is Rocketeer."
"...ok."
"May I speak with Jim?"
"...no."
"But I have questions about the camera!"
"...Rocketeer?"
"Yep."
"Hold on, I'll tell him."

...


"He says wait until NAB." :)

[Don Woods]

LOL that is damn funny..

[Scott Webster]

"He says wait until NAB." :)

If I had a dollar for every time I read that in a post, I'd have a 3rd camera!:usd:

[Brook Willard]

If I had a dollar for every time I read that in a post, I'd have a 3rd camera!:usd:

If I had a dollar for every time I wrote that in a post... I might have a 1st camera. ;)

[Scott Webster]

Good as time as any to thank you for all your efforts on reduser Brook. I hope the Red team appreciate your efforts as much as we do. Hope to say G'day in Vegas.

Cheers Scott

[Brainstorm]

You guys are such conspiracy theorists... we are working hard in Orange County getting ready for NAB. Give us a call. We are here.

Jim

I love the way you've used the classic CIA technique to deny any possibility of conspiracy... i.e. avoided the question!

Wasn't that the Oakley Lear jet parked on the tarmac in Wellington? And who was that lady in the red polka dot dress? Why was she standing next to the same guy who was photographed a few years earlier on the grassy knoll? :nerd:

Of course, you could have been visiting Shania Twain down in Wanaka I suppose. It is a bit of a drive from Wellington to Wanaka though, but the scenery is nice along the way.

Oh, is Peter Jackson friends with Shania Twain too? Or does Shania Twain also have a RED reservation and a 4K real-time post-production facility... plus BIG movie contracts with Jim Cameron and God knows who else currently in the pipeline?

:clown2:

[Brook Willard]

Good as time as any to thank you for all your efforts on reduser Brook. I hope the Red team appreciate your efforts as much as we do. Hope to say G'day in Vegas.

Cheers Scott

I'm just a huge dork with a camera obsession. This place is the perfect drug. :tongue:

See you at NAB. We should all print out a little REDuser tag and slip it in with our NAB badge.

[Jannard]

1st off... we don't have a Lear jet. :-)

Jim

[Tom Lowe]

jannard, come clean!!!

[Brainstorm]

Funny how both Jim and Jared were absent from the board the whole time the jet was parked there too?

Coincidence of course. Just "conspiracy theory" :bleh:

[Scott Webster]

1st off... we don't have a Lear jet. :-)

Jim

Bombardier Global Express I believe is the correct description:detective2:

[Brook Willard]

These aren't the droids you're looking for...

[Tom Lowe]

Lol, remember what happened to that one guy in the 4K UFO thread...

[Brainstorm]

These aren't the droids you're looking for...

Hmmm... Did you also detect a disturbance in The Farce Brook?

[Jannard]

"if you look hard enough, you are bound to see what you want to see"...

Jim

[Brainstorm]

"if you look hard enough, you are bound to see what you want to see"...

Jim

Thank you Obi-Wan.... these are not the droids we're looking for. There was no disturbance in The Farce. Shania Twain is not being held hostage on the Dark Star. The people of Aldaberan will all be happy until NAB....

[Jannard]

If half of the info is correct, then all must be correct? Sleep tight, RED design is awake.

Jim

[Brainstorm]

If half of the info is correct, then all must be correct? Sleep tight, RED design is awake.

Jim

Ah. The CIA technique again. Demonstrate that 10% is wrong and use that to dismiss the entire idea behind "the conspiracy"!

OK. I'll fess up. I know that you didn't meet Shania Twain.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Its old news but it looks that they are well prepared for realtime 4K

Peter Jackson's Wellington, New Zealand-based Park Road Post has installed a Pablo 4K - Quantel’s next generation non-linear color correction system - to enable a realtime 4K workflow for the award-winning post house. ...
http://www.quantel.com/site/en.nsf/HTML/7207EF3A711E73FA802571ED0055F52F

Have a look at this amazing Pablo's features at demo video

http://www.quantel.com/site/en.nsf/html/conceptvideo?OpenDocument

[Brainstorm]

Rocketeer... get you mind out of the gutter. Shania Twain could not put a RED One there... and nobody would ever allow the footage to be screened at NAB!

:excl:

[Manfred Lopez]

I think this whole thread should be tagged as "classified" and "Need-to-know-Basis" until NAB.

[Tony Lorentzen]

Who knows - maybe they just went for a surf to try out the new Oakleys!?

[Tony Lorentzen]

BTW - check this out: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N2T&distinct_entry=true

I especially like the RED nose on this picture: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0255915&WxsIERv=Obzoneqvre%20OQ-700-1N10%20Tybony%20Rkcerff&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Trarin%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28Pbvageva%29%20%28TIN%20%2F%2 0YFTT%29&ERDLTkt=Fjvgmreynaq&ktODMp=Whyl%2012%2C%202002&BP=0&WNEb25u=Wrna-Yhp%20Nyguree&xsIERvdWdsY=A2G&MgTUQtODMgKE=Nabgure%20ivrj%20bs%20jung%27f%20ybbx %20yvxr%20n%20cevzre%20cnvag%21%20Ohg%20vg%27f%20q rsvavgryl%20n%20qrsvavgvir%20%22pbybhe%20fpurzr%22 %21%20Bjarq%20ol%20tynffrf%20znahsnpghere%20Bnxyrl .&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=3209&NEb25uZWxs=2002-07-27%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=9084&static=yes&width=1020&height=694&sok=JURER%20%20%28ert%20%3D%20%27A2G%27%29%20%20BE QRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=13&prev_id=0255916&next_id=0255914

There should bee a RED logo on there for sure!

[Petr Dvorak]

Have a look at this amazing Pablo's features at demo video


Quantel is my daily bread (in broadcast) - some things are quite unique and amazing, but some are surprisingly not so amazing yet, (basic bugs in GUI, lack of some functions, etc.) It still need more development and testing. But for CC especially for 2K and 4K its probably very powerfull.

[Carl-August Savgård]

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1186707&WxsIERv=Obzoneqvre%20OQ-700-1N10%20Tybony%20Rkcerff&Wm=1&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq%20%28Bnxyrl%29&QtODMg=Ybaqba%20-%20Fgnafgrq%20%28FGA%20%2F%20RTFF%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Znepu%201%2C%202007&BP=1&WNEb25u=Wbua%20Onyynaglar&xsIERvdWdsY=A2G&MgTUQtODMgKE=Arrq%20fhatynffrf%20sbe%20guvf%20fpur zr%2C%20un%20un%20%21%21&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=3317&NEb25uZWxs=2007-03-11%2012%3A03%3A49&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=9162&static=yes&width=1024&height=690&sok=JURER%20%20%28ert%20%3D%20%27A2G%27%29%20%20BE QRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=1111719

March 1 in London... Cooke Optics not that far away... Jannard was off the radar on the RedUser board then... Jarred was present... but maybe he wasn't invited... =)

More speculation than hard fact, I know. But it's all fun.

[Petr Dvorak]

Who knows - maybe they just went for a surf to try out the new Oakleys!?

Yes surfing is quite popular down there in NZ :matrix:

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/1915.jpg