EFP/ENG PL mount 35mm motorized zoom lenses

[Andrew M.]

EFP/ENG PL mount 35mm motorized zoom lenses

Here it is one possibility to make yourself the zoom lenses with all motors mounted on the lenses itself. The zoom rocker switch could be mounted on the side of the lenses itself or could replace right handle of the RED camera support.
Most compact and high performance 35 mm lenses so far I could find.
This solution will give you run and gun configuration of the camera at full 4K shooting capability. Also good for underwater compact fixed length camera configuration.

Note that lenses itself comes with many already tapped screw holes that could be used to mount all motors and even the zoom rocker switch and holder.

It is no compromise 4K solution.

Lenses 35mm (17-80 T2.2 5Kg/11lb):
http://www.angenieux.com/images/optimo1780.pdf
Bit wider lenses if you want (15-40 T2.6 1.92Kg/4.2lb):
http://www.angenieux.com/images/OPTIMO1540.pdf

On the lenses brackets for zoom/focus/iris motors:
http://web.mac.com/mattyquinn/iWeb/DuclosLenses/Optimo%20Acc..html

Motors:
http://www.abelcine.com/store/product.php?productid=10923&cat=0&page=1

Control box and zoom rocker switch:
http://webpages.charter.net/bartech/buz.html
If you have more money:
http://www.prestoncinema.com/products.html
other zoom controllers and options:
type zoom control in the search window
http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl?page=searchresults&searchinfo=zoom%20control

Below the example of only one motor mounted, the bracket will allow to mount three motors.
We will use carry handle on the RED not here, if needed.
Here we can add hand grip/strap on the side of the lenses

[TimothyD]

Thanks Andrew,

That seems like a good option for people who want to use the full sensor. I really don't need to though, and I'm guessing that for run and gun it would be better to have more depth of field rather than less. So what I really want to know is if the converted 2/3 lens that Stuart provided the link to at Abel will work with a normal rocker zoom? It seems feasible at least, unless the PL mount keeps you from mounting a normal ENG rocker zoom.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tim

[Andrew M.]

Thanks Andrew,

That seems like a good option for people who want to use the full sensor. I really don't need to though, and I'm guessing that for run and gun it would be better to have more depth of field rather than less. So what I really want to know is if the converted 2/3 lens that Stuart provided the link to at Abel will work with a normal rocker zoom? It seems feasible at least, unless the PL mount keeps you from mounting a normal ENG rocker zoom.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tim

Yes, there is a need for less expensive solution as well.
We have to figure out who is making the lens mounting brackets for some less expensive lenses as well.
I think there are plenty of machine shops that could made one for few hundred bucks, but it would be easier if we find off the shelf product.
Maybe the manufacture of the lenses can recommend something?

[TimothyD]

Good points,

If Abel retrofitted this from a standard Canon 2/3 HD lens, then one would assume that the rocker zoom already exists, and is just a standard rocker zoom for a 2/3 lens?

If so, then the only thing that seems that it might get in the way of fitting one to the lens is if the PL mount gets in the way, or if some necessary parts are gone since they took the back end off the lens.

Either way, the fact that a 2/3 lens with a PL mount exists is promising in itself.

Tim

[TimothyD]

And yes, money is certainly a big concern for me. I only budgeted 13k for the lens and zoom apparatus/cables/hardware. I had planned to buy the Red zoom initially, but would prefer a S16 or 2/3 lens since I only want to shoot 2k 99% of the time. Still lenses will provide the 1% 4k when needed.

Tim

[Michael Hastings]

Andrew:

Did you see anywhere that listed a price for these lenses?




EFP/ENG PL mount 35mm motorized zoom lenses
Lenses 35mm (17-80 T2.2 5Kg/11lb):
http://www.angenieux.com/images/optimo1780.pdf
Bit wider lenses if you want (15-40 T2.6 1.92Kg/4.2lb):
http://www.angenieux.com/images/OPTIMO1540.pdf

On the lenses brackets for zoom/focus/iris motors:
http://web.mac.com/mattyquinn/iWeb/DuclosLenses/Optimo%20Acc..html

Motors:
http://www.abelcine.com/store/product.php?productid=10923&cat=0&page=1

Control box and zoom rocker switch:
http://webpages.charter.net/bartech/buz.html
If you have more money:
http://www.prestoncinema.com/products.html
other zoom controllers and options:
type zoom control in the search window
http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl?page=searchresults&searchinfo=zoom%20control

Below the example of only one motor mounted, the bracket will allow to mount three motors.
We will use carry handle on the RED not here, if needed.
Here we can add hand grip/strap on the side of the lenses

[steevo435]

Timothy-
No rocker box for the Canon 10.6/180 T2.7. The lens has been repurposed for S16, so it uses all available S16 accessories, and film pitch gears. The servo boxes you are referring to are really only available on ENG lenses.
If you were to go with film style lenses, you need seperate motor/controller/swing arm/rods, etc. The good news is that once you have one, you can use it on all of your lenses.
Reliable, ergonomic, inexpensive zoom controllers have always been an issue.
Expect to spend $18k for an HD ENG lens, or $4500 for Preston Microforce with Heden motor. You may call around some rental houses, they may be willing to part with a used Microforce....those things run forever.
Here's another issue entirely....maybe it's been dealt with (I'm new here)...but, what kind of connector is on the camera to connect a lens or zoom motor? Is there a Hirose on the camera to connect an ENG lens? Is there an 11 pin fisher, 3 pin RS, or lemo6 to power the zoom and start/stop?

[Andrew M.]

Andrew:

Did you see anywhere that listed a price for these lenses?

I sent them e-mail, should have price soon for 15-40 and 17-80

[Andrew M.]

Is there a Hirose on the camera to connect an ENG lens? Is there an 11 pin fisher, 3 pin RS, or lemo6 to power the zoom and start/stop?

There is power connector on the RED for zoom.
search forums with 'power' there was discussion about it.

[TimothyD]

"The lens has been repurposed for S16, so it uses all available S16 accessories, and film pitch gears."

Aha, that is a slight glitch. As for using a set of rods, microforce, etc. I think that a cine style setup like that sounds less than ideal for run and gun in terms of ergonomics and size/weight.

I hope to hell that someone announces a 2/3 ENG/EFP style zoom at NAB that is meant to work with a single sensor. It seems like Canon and Fujinon both are likely to release such lenses with the Red in mind. If they don't they are missing out on a great market. As is Red... C'mon Red Team, if you at least announce one, and are willing to take my money I'm sold on the whole deal. If not, I may have to go with a simpler solution.

Tim

[TimothyD]

In fact, while I'm begging the Red team, let me just get right to the point.

How about you guys come up with a turn-key ENG/EFP system with all the necessary hardware to be up and running minus batteries, and then cut some kind of discount for the package. I have 33 grand sitting here saying that you can do it... And if you announce it by NAB I'm on board...

[Andrew M.]

I am pretty sure that RED will come up with 35 or even S35 mm zoom lenses for ENG/EFP jobs next year. Or at minimum some strap on/lenses mounted gizmo for the RED ZOOM. For now there is Abakus and/or RED adapter that allows you to use standard ENG/EFP lenses that are supporting tiny 9mm wide 2/3 sensor.
Whole broadcast industry is using it and this year is the year that things will start moving slowly to S35 as far as broadcast industry is concern.

Remember we have to have respect to the powers of broadcast industry, Sony can come up with some completely other size of sensor, say panoramic 2.82:1 or 3:1 with 2160X6480 pixels and if it will be introduced to the broadcast industry with minimal pain by first downresing it to 1080X1920 it is what will be the broadcast sensor standard. For sure there will be upward move in very near future where the 2/3 sensor is concern.

see this thread….
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=24307#post24307

[TimothyD]

Thanks Andrew...