Red Rentals in the UK

[Mardi_Gras]

Anyone plan on renting out their Red kit in the UK? If so, what options will be available ie with or without operator and what will be the average daily/weekly/monthly rates?

All suggestions are welcome.

[Dominic Jones]

Hi Mardi,

We'll likely be renting our Red kit out - certainly with operator, might consider dry-hire for experienced Dp's/Ops.

I haven't completely settled on rental rates (and of course everything's still subject to change!), but I imagine a basic Red Kit (Body, VF, 2x Battery + charger, 2x RedDrive) will go out at something like £250/day + operator at around £300/day.

We're always open to negotiation for lower budget and/or longer format gigs though, depending on availability/workload, of course...

[roryhinds]

Mine Films will offer a RED shooting solution made up of camera system, operator, post production and mastering.

We are a production company and when not working on our own productions we will offer our skill set to other film makers.

We look forward to being among the first 100 cameras to be released.

2007 should be very interesting indeed.

[PaulClements]

Hi Mardi,

Similarly to Dominic, Red 445 will likely be up for rent, typically with myself as DIT or op, and again dry-hire for experienced Dps and Ops.

I would certainly be doing daily, weekly and monthly rates. I'll be more than happy to consider Indie projects on tighter budgets as well because at the end of the day I just want to get out there and shoot.

And I agree Rory, 2007 should be interesting and hopefully a heck of a lot of fun.

[James Milner-Smyth]

We have the maximum allowed 5 cameras reserved, all purely for hire, based out of London, Notting Hill, but rates/packages are still to be determined. We may well send out an assistant/digital media wrangler with them, but definitely will be supplying the full onward path in terms of post.

James

[OwenR]

Hi we are interested in shooting Red for a feature we hope to shoot in October of this year

Will any one have there Red by then? we would consider rent, we are looking at thirty days over six
weeks.

And would be interested in renting with a view to buying i know that parting with your Red is probably far from most people minds!!

We are based in Birmingham

We will be looking for someone preferably who has made a feature to head up this exciting project and take on one or more of these roles:- writer,director,camera/dop,editor.

[PaulClements]

I think most reservation holders will have the camera by October Owen perhaps one or two of the later ones might not, Rory will have his in the next month or two I should imagine.

If you rented a camera for the shoot with a view to buying then you could simply buy a brand new one towards the end of the year/begining of '08. Obviously people might purchase features for their camera that you wouldn't want, the range of recording media is a good example. Also if users are renting their camera out I dare say it will be paying for itself moreso than reselling the camera would be worth to them, but you never know I suppose... heck if someone offered me £20000 for a £10000 camera I'd certainly contemplate it, would be a pain to have to wait another 6 months though... Makes you wonder who'll be the first to stick theirs on eBay and how much it would actually go for.

[roryhinds]

Yes I'm hoping to get my #68 "shortly" after NAB. Hopefully this will mean in a few weeks, hey I'm hopeful :-)

If we don't have any of our own projects on the go I'd be happy to work with other DP's offering the complete package.

contact me rory"at"minefilms.com
remove the "at" and replace with @

Anyone know if Mine Films #68 is the lowest REDONE serial in the UK?
( first in the UK :-)

[PaulClements]

I believe it is Rory, unless there is anyone with a lower number that has simply never broadcast it. Lucky git :)

[Mardi_Gras]

Hi,

We intend to have our Red kit available for rental in the UK right after a feature film project we have, penciled down for a mid september shoot also in the general London area. And like hinted above, we will provide our kit complete with 35mm prime lenses, the Red premium pack, power pack and monitor (cage, EVF, power kits et al) for rental, not SALE.

It will be nice to have something like a base and premium package rate for daily/weekly/monthly rentals. Not for reasons of price-fixing or anything like that, but to help the broader filmmaking community in the UK partake in the Red fever at a reasonable rate or "rate range" that can be guarateed across the board.

[Steve Connor]

This is all good news for us UK based filmmakers, I look forward to my first RED project later this year.

[Obin Olson]

Dreadfully low rates Dominic......your renting the best CineCamera money can buy don't forget that.

A low end VariCam at 720p and dvcproHD compression rents for more then that! Hell I rent my hvx for more then that per day!



Hi Mardi,

We'll likely be renting our Red kit out - certainly with operator, might consider dry-hire for experienced Dp's/Ops.

I haven't completely settled on rental rates (and of course everything's still subject to change!), but I imagine a basic Red Kit (Body, VF, 2x Battery + charger, 2x RedDrive) will go out at something like £250/day + operator at around £300/day.

We're always open to negotiation for lower budget and/or longer format gigs though, depending on availability/workload, of course...

[Ziggy Uszkurat]

We'll also be renting out our Red -- still looking into lens options but definitely a super 16 zoom to kick off with and most likely 35mm primes (film not photo). We are also offering a post. We are still thinking about rates too but then we've got to wait a while before delivery.

Ziggx

[Dominic Jones]

Dreadfully low rates Dominic......your renting the best CineCamera money can buy don't forget that.

A low end VariCam at 720p and dvcproHD compression rents for more then that! Hell I rent my hvx for more then that per day!
Well you're renting your HVX for far too much then, Obin!

And a Varicam should rent for more (and not get much business!). Rental rates are calculated against the cost of purchase, not the quality of output. That said, maybe it is a little low still, but I doubt it'll go much over the £300 mark - we'll do a proper calculation when we know the exact price for the system.

We rent our Z1 (basic, with just 2x F970 batteries) for £80/day, for instance. Purchase cost £3,000(ish), so Red (circa £12,000) should be about, well £320/day now that I think about it properly, so perhaps £250 is low, but not by much.

Thanks for your concern though mate!! :biggrin:

[Dominic Jones]

Oh, and that's excluding lenses, MB, FF, tripod, etc, of course - I'm talking camera rental not shooting package, so maybe that's a source of misunderstanding?....

[Stephen Webb]

Will any one have there Red by then?
and

We are based in Birmingham

You know damn well there is!

[Mardi_Gras]

Oh, and that's excluding lenses, MB, FF, tripod, etc, of course - I'm talking camera rental not shooting package, so maybe that's a source of misunderstanding?....

I think there was a misunderstanding for real. Shooting package versus camera-only rental. So there we go, kiss, make up and be friends. :bleh:

[Dominic Jones]

I think there was a misunderstanding for real. Shooting package versus camera-only rental. So there we go, kiss, make up and be friends. :bleh:
I didn't realise we'd fallen out!! :biggrin:

[Mardi_Gras]

I didn't realise we'd fallen out!! :biggrin:

Trust me, but Obin was already in talks with the Spartans to help route out this Persian of a problem. One has to be careful on these boards. Trust me!

[Dominic Jones]

Trust me, but Obin was already in talks with the Spartans to help route out this Persian of a problem. One has to be careful on these boards. Trust me!
OK, I will!

In that case, my apologies Obin - certainly no offense intended mate...

[Obin Olson]

None taken. just looking out for the rest of us....(shh..don't tell anyone...Can I rent your Red at that quoted rate mate? )

:)

[PaulClements]

Rental is very subjective anyway. A good rental house can usually demand a bit more because they have the backup of extra cameras and so on.

An individual might not have such luxuries, nor the array of accessories, usually including a wide variety of quality lenses etc.

An individual's prices might be based around their experience, the shooting package they can put together as well as any other services that can be tied in, such as post work.

I think there will be a variety of different prices for rental all over the globe, certain areas will find individuals have a monopoly, but they will likely have lower demand. In the UK I can see prices chopping and changing dependent on the renter and the rentee. If a good rental house can offer a decent package with backup, or multiple cameras and so on then larger productions will be happy to use them and pay more. Individuals that can only offer a low end shooting package might rent more to smaller or indie productions and the price tag would and should reflect that. Professionals will pay for a professional service, just as indies will pay less for a representative service.

£250 seems to be inline with the kind of prices companies and individuals are putting on the rental of the red body in the US. $500 a day looks to be round about, maybe add in VAT to compensate as a final figure. Like I say though, depending on your experience and what else you can offer you might want to charge more or you might want to charge less. Like any market though it pisses people off if someone comes along and starts offering it for such low prices that there is little point doing it. Being reasonable, but of course avoiding price fixing should be a concern of anyone getting in or already in the game.

[Obin Olson]

well spoken Paul. I will not be in the rental game, thank god. Only if I get a request and I will be DP for people I know. :)

[hoko]

Hi Rory,
have e-mailed you.
best
Chris Hooke

Hello potential Red Owners: I have a shoot in June in Indonesia - probably too early for a RED rental so it's a long shot but since I'm putting a deposit down at the Nab 07 I'd love to try one out. I have my own Super 16 Canon lenses and distagons etc so just looking for a Red body. Not much to ask, is it? If anyone's interested in hiring to me for around a 4 week period please contact.
Many thanks.

[OwenR]

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You know damn well there is!

Cheers Stephen but who will have their Red!! seeing is Believing!!

Sorry missed you at the producers forum.....