Apple 8-core mac pro's! [Archive]

Nathan Troutman

04-04-2007, 07:26 AM

Actually, I'm a bit dissapointed in old Apple. I've been waiting for the update to the Mac Pro line not so much for the 8 core model but for some upgrades on the rest of the line and/or a price drop. This is all they do. One change, they've added an additional machine that is 8 core that starts at $4000:bye2: I can't believe Apple still kept the "old and obsolete when they first released it back in August" Nvidia 7300 video card. I remember in August reviewers saying, "what did Apple get a deal on these cards because they're crap." And now Apple just keeps it going:blink: They made virtually no changes at all to the line. Not with hardware (I mean come on no upgrade to the video card) and not with price. In fact I think the only upgrade/change is using SATA 3GB/s with the HD. And this is hardly an upgrade. No Blu-Ray burner included with the top model? Not even as an option! Not much of an upgrade. And prices are still the same. Boo apple.

On a happier note everyone with current Mac Pro's just got a new lease on life because Apple didn't change them at all. This will also mean used prices on G5s and Mac Pros won't change very much. I guess that's good if you're selling.

Also all Mac Pro's that have the intel Woodcrest processors should be excited to know that from what I've been reading all of these machines will accept the new 4 core Clovertown processors that are used in the 8 core model. So before long "upgrades" should be around for those of you who want to install some new power. Take that dual core Xeon 2.0 to Quad. Interestingly enough Newegg is selling the Quad core Clovertown 2.66 processor for $1200. I don't know if off the shelf you can just drop it in, but the internet I'm sure will know very soon, if not already. If you bought a 2.0 Woodcrest Mac Pro for 2200 and then spent another 1200 to upgrade you'd have a Quad Clovertown running at 2.6 for 3400. You know Apple has to hate that, but that's the price they had to pay to work with intel. Compatability.

Curran Giddens

04-04-2007, 07:27 AM

You beat me to it, Curran. :)

My friend called me at 9:00 am this morning. He ordered the 8-core with ATI Radeon X1900XT. Should be here in a week!

Charles Perkins

04-04-2007, 07:36 AM

this leaves a big hole for something to be announced at NAB.

Zakaree Sandberg

04-04-2007, 07:37 AM

can someone tell me what would be the minimum requirement running this computer to edit red footy? 4k redcode.'

or... will my current g5 duo be able to handle editing?

Clayton Harper

04-04-2007, 07:40 AM

The fact that we're getting no love on the video card front makes me think FCP6 is gonna be a big time disappointment.

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 07:42 AM

this leaves a big hole for something to be announced at NAB.

I agree, but Apple doesn't usually work that way. I know I'd be a bit upset if I ordered a non-returnable customized 8-core today only to have Apple announce new graphics options and other things at NAB. I think this is it for at least the next 3 months. :(

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 07:46 AM

The fact that we're getting no love on the video card front makes me think FCP6 is gonna be a big time disappointment.

Yep. I'm thinking the same thing here.

Rick Darge

04-04-2007, 07:52 AM

Yea I'm pretty peeved off myself.. I was hoping for a price drop on their quads with the new release of the octo..
Guess we'll have to wait...

Apple should take a lesson from RED

Hrvoje Simic

04-04-2007, 07:53 AM

I agree, but Apple doesn't usually work that way. I know I'd be a bit upset if I ordered a non-returnable customized 8-core today only to have Apple announce new graphics options and other things at NAB. I think this is it for at least the next 3 months. :(

Crap. I was really looking forward to seeing 8800 GTX.
I'm losing my patience.

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 08:03 AM

Crap. I was really looking forward to seeing 8800 GTX.
I'm losing my patience.

I'm still in shock there's no 8800GTX or updated ATI offering. I can't believe Apple did this. Hopefully I'm wrong about no more updates at NAB -- this could be a bit of a stunt for their event at NAB so they can claim they have already had 8-core systems when they preview other offerings. But that's not typical Apple marketing. I still think this is it. :(

If Apple doesn't do something drastic to upgrade their video capabilities soon, there's a good chance the new workstations I buy this year won't be Macs.

Brian Broz

04-04-2007, 08:36 AM

And the fact that there's no Blu-Ray or HD-DVD option doesn't look promising for DVD Studio Pro 5 fully supporting these formats.
No BTO option....hmmmm

Hrvoje Simic

04-04-2007, 08:56 AM

I'm still in shock there's no 8800GTX or updated ATI offering. I can't believe Apple did this. Hopefully I'm wrong about no more updates at NAB -- this could be a bit of a stunt for their event at NAB so they can claim they have already had 8-core systems when they preview other offerings. But that's not typical Apple marketing. I still think this is it. :(

If Apple doesn't do something drastic to upgrade their video capabilities soon, there's a good chance the new workstations I buy this year won't be Macs.

The shock is mutual. I really hope this IS a stunt. Maybe they are pulling this off for now so they could screw with the competition, and do the full thing at NAB.

For now it seems like they shot themselves in the foot...

Thom Steinhoff

04-04-2007, 09:03 AM

I'm waiting until at least Red Jr. shows up. If I don't need it until then, why not wait for the new OS, iLife and a multi-touch monitor?

Chris Kenny

04-04-2007, 09:03 AM

Keep in mind that even if FCP6 is announced at NAB (which seems like a pretty sure bet at this point), it probably won't be shipping for a while, so the graphics card options on these towers don't necessarily imply anything about how much GPU-accellerated goodness we can expect from it.

Actually, the fact that Apple quietly announced these now rather than waiting for NAB tends to suggest their NAB announcement will be fairly significant. If they were announcing something unimpressive at NAB, they'd have saved the tower announcement for the same day and made a big deal out of it.

Hrvoje Simic

04-04-2007, 09:08 AM

Actually, the fact that Apple quietly announced these now rather than waiting for NAB tends to suggest their NAB announcement will be fairly significant. If they were announcing something unimpressive at NAB, they'd have saved the tower announcement for the same day and made a big deal out of it.

Makes sense.

Fingers crossed, guys.

Nathan Troutman

04-04-2007, 09:26 AM

What it tells me is that even Apple knew this wasn't much of an announcement. So they moved it ahead of NAB to "not spoil the party."

Personally I think the big NAB announcement is going to be Final Cut Extreme which is an Avid-like system that includes hardware and software and will support editing of 4K. It makes sense because the 8-core Mac Pro will most deffintely be the horsepower on the hardware side (in addition to major upgrades in the video card area for sure.) With the new Final Cut Extreme software controlling the 4K edit.

As for Apple doing another upgrade in the near future, this seems unlikely since they haven't done this before. The upgrade cycle is almost predictable (the site macrumors.com tracks this and advise when to buy and when to wait.) We can always cross our fingers but sadly I'm afraid it won't be until this coming August that we get the next round of upgrades, or I guess you could really say the first round of upgrades since this edition is exactly that . . . just an addition. Nvidia 7300:help: You've got to be freaking kidding me. I though Apple was on the Blu-Ray board, no blu ray burner?

This was a money making "upgrade" for Apple. How much do you think they're paying for those 7300 video cards? A dual layer super drive, wow. How cheap is that now? Apple is packing a lot of cost-effective stuff around a premium processor and that keeps them making money. The components are the same, the price is the same, but the price of these old components has fallen so that means Apple is making a better profit margin.

Nathan Troutman

04-04-2007, 09:42 AM

This is from www.macrumors.com

ThinkSecret, writing for PCMagazine, claims to have additional details about Final Cut Pro 6, Final Cut Extreme, and long-rumored display upgrades.

Final Cut Extreme is said to enable the most demanding users to edit uncompressed 4K and 2540p video. Compatibility is said to include Red Digital Cinema's Red, Panavision Genesis, Dalsa Origin, Thompson Viper, Sony Cinealta, Phantom HD, and Arri D20 cameras.

To add to this report, MacRumors has received unconfirmed information regarding the hardware of the system. The Core card is said to utilize 4 Cell BE chips (as used in the Sony Playstation 3), with two additional "accelerator" cards being available, each containing 6 Cell chips. According to our source, the Core card will have 4 HD-SDI inputs, and a connector for a breakout box, as only 2 cards will be able to work in the Mac Pro (the only machine said to be compatible with the high-end system).

In regards to Final Cut Pro 6, the site believes the software will require a 64-bit chip (G5, Core 2 Duo, Xeon) to run. In addition, integration with Core Animation is reiterated, and the site adds that the software will indeed be Leopard-dependent.
Those high-end requirements will also allow the new Final Cut Studio to support resolution independence, a new feature of Leopard that allows an application's interface to scale with the display's resolution, ideal for users working with high resolution displays with a high number of pixels packed into each square inch.

Regarding displays, ThinkSecret believes that displays may be coming around NAB as well, including a new high-end display capable of supporting 4K+ resolutions. The site also believes that Apple may bump the 17" MacBook Pro display to support native HD video editing.

Display rumors have been floating around for a few months. Some previous rumors can be found here.

In addition Apple today lowered the prices on it's displays.

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 09:51 AM

Oh, no... It's that stupid ThinkSecret article again...

MikeCurtis

04-04-2007, 10:38 AM

ThinkSecret is total crap when it comes to interpretting/predicting high end stuff. Last YEAR this time they hyped up a super-Final Cut idea and said it'd support Red....to ship last year.

I totally blow all that off. The most interesting idea proposed here is that Apple DIDN'T hold 8 core Macs back, so that bodes well for new software kicking butt. And I also buy into the notion of it may not ship for a bit and the August/September hardware update could be the one with Blu-ray, HD-DVD burners, etc.

-mike

MikeCurtis

04-04-2007, 11:02 AM

roryhinds

04-04-2007, 11:16 AM

seems more sensible to purchase an old Mac Pro on ebay and install the Quad Xeon yourself.

This will give you the same machine but for far less.

I know Apple say "think different" but this doesn't make computing sense :-)

Bruce Allen

04-04-2007, 11:19 AM

...and Apple's efforts are all about Intel right now, and Apple wants to sell you NEW hardware, not support legacy hardware. The mention of G5 architecture for Final Cut Extreme pretty much torpedoes the validity of the rumor right there.

NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. (on PPC).

Totally agree. Too much of an expensive waste of programmer hours on an EOL'ed platform.

What is up with the graphics card situation, though? Maybe they are waiting for the next nVidia refresh? Eg when ATI finally comes out with their new DX10 cards, nVidia will probably release some mildly-faster 8-series GeForce cards in order to counterattack.

Still, it sucks! Their "Recommended Mac Pro 3D Modeling, Animation, and Rendering Workstation" is a joke. A single Radeon X1900? Until they fix the graphics card situation, my "Recommended Mac Pro 3D Modeling, Animation, and Rendering Workstation" is a PC. Hope Apple gets on that soon.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

Anders Holck

04-04-2007, 11:22 AM

Not to mention 64 bit making it's appearance again.
It's hard to see how switching to 64 could enhance an application like FCP.

Chris Kenny

04-04-2007, 11:33 AM

seems more sensible to purchase an old Mac Pro on ebay and install the Quad Xeon yourself.

This will give you the same machine but for far less.

Not really. Quad core Xeons are not cheap.

Nathan Troutman

04-04-2007, 11:41 AM

The mention of G5 architecture for Final Cut Extreme pretty much torpedoes the validity of the rumor right there.

NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. (on PPC).

The mention of G5 support is for Final Cut 6 support not for Final Cut Extreme. I'm not going to try and defend ThinkSecret because they are a ton of BS, but it seems the stars are aligning for a Final Cut Extreme system unveiling at NAB. NAB is going to be all about 4K. Red unveils. Apple is rumored to also be ready to release a 4K display. It's perfect timing for Final Cut Extreme - A 4k stand alone system (like Avid) hooked up to brand new 4k Apple displays using a 8 core Mac Pro and some high end video cards (whether their cell based cards or not who knows. It's hard to take ThinkSecret's word.)

But those of you that are hoping that Final Cut Extreme is a myth might need to prepare yourself. Those of you dreaming that Apple will just add 4k editing into Final Cut 6, well NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. Even Apple has to do a little inflation of their prices for the big production guys. That means if you want 4k editing you're going to buy their Avid-like system (which will still be much less than what Avid has been raping people for) but 4K is not coming in FCP 6.

Apple gave us HD editing for free in Final Cut. They've never gone the old way and built very expensive software and hardware based systems - Until April 2007 (my opinion, we'll know soon). For "Studio level" 4k work it's gonna be more than Final Cut. I also doubt that they will sell Final Cut Extreme seperately as a software based program. To get Final Cut Extreme you'll need to get the whole system. Like Avid. Apple may have busted down the door when they first released Final Cut but 4k is the perfect reason to build a stand-alone system.

Nathan Troutman

04-04-2007, 11:47 AM

Not to mention 64 bit making it's appearance again.
It's hard to see how switching to 64 could enhance an application like FCP.

Apple has been 64 bit since the advent of the G5.

Sanjin Jukic

04-04-2007, 11:48 AM

Apple 8-core mac pro's NOW!

Apple's SMOKE CURTAIN!!!

Wait for NAB!

Anders Holck

04-04-2007, 11:50 AM

Yeah the G5, and the Intel Core 2's can run 64 bit software.
Unfortunately there are no 64 bit apps.

Until Leopard 64 bit applications are CLI only.

Tonaci Tran

04-04-2007, 12:05 PM

Apple may have busted down the door when they first released Final Cut but 4k is the perfect reason to build a stand-alone system.

I personally can't see why Apple would want to do a standalone..they already have a supercharged 8 core mac. I can't see them making a whole new standalone just for final cut. It would be like making stand alone for logic pro to compete with Digidesign Protools Cards. Just my opinion..and of course I can be TOTALLY wrong...but final cut pro extreme is wishful thinking.

I agree we won't see 4k final cut editing at NAB. I do think it will be supported at some point however. my estimate would be end of year. 4k is just soo new..and besides the ricidulously expensive phantom and dalsa.. there are not many cameras that can even shoot at 4k to begin with. For them to support 4k at NAB would be crazy insane considering there would only be a small tiny handful of users (at least for now until red ships all of their cameras) who need it.

I am praying for a 4k display by summer so we can enjoy our red footage in full 4k glory.

Jeremy Hughes

04-04-2007, 01:24 PM

Dual-core, Quad-core, 8-core? Shouldn't it be Octo-core? Then Decisex for 16?

Too bad there's no 8800GTX... Or Blu-Ray drive...

Zakaree Sandberg

04-04-2007, 01:41 PM

Chris Forbes

04-04-2007, 01:44 PM

Since apple is extreamly overpriced for a comparable PC system.. would it be cheaper to build your own mac 8-core clone?

Dems fightn' words bucko. :biggrin:

Chris Kenny

04-04-2007, 01:57 PM

surprised about the lack of 8800gtx but who knows.. maybe we will be surprised in a good way at nab.. but seriously...
Since apple is extreamly overpriced for a comparable PC system.. would it be cheaper to build your own mac 8-core clone?

I'd advise you to actually price out a 2x quad-core 3.0 GHz Xeon system from another source and get back to us. You might be very surprised. Those chips are expensive.

Zakaree Sandberg

04-04-2007, 02:09 PM

no your right.. i had no idea about the xeon prices..

Thomas Mathai

04-04-2007, 02:30 PM

But those of you that are hoping that Final Cut Extreme is a myth might need to prepare yourself. Those of you dreaming that Apple will just add 4k editing into Final Cut 6, well NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. Even Apple has to do a little inflation of their prices for the big production guys. That means if you want 4k editing you're going to buy their Avid-like system (which will still be much less than what Avid has been raping people for) but 4K is not coming in FCP 6.

It makes no sense for Apple to split the software development for FCP software development into standard and "extreme" versions.

The advantage FCP has over Avid is that the software is cheap and can run on stock hardware, so you can have a primary editing system and assist stations and it's still affordable.

If you have one "extreme" station for editing and/or finishing, you're not going to put in other "extreme" stations for conforming and other duties, you'll want to use a standard version of FCP, which means that all features should be interchangeable for undisrupted work flow.

As of right now FCP uses FXPlug for GPU accelerated effects. Also you can have a max resolution for a FCP sequence as 4000x4000. That doesn't mean you can make a 4k sequence and do any serious work.

This makes me suspect that an "extreme" version will be pure hardware acceleration with base FCP software.

I can see the "extreme" version including extras like Final Touch as part of the package, and available separately for FCP 6 users.

Learvis Templeton jr.

04-04-2007, 03:11 PM

Well I'm pretty sure that most redusers will wait till after NAB to see what Apple will rolling out before they get their 8 core units. So until then I'll just read the posts and check back later to see who was right! :sarcasm:

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 03:20 PM

What is up with the graphics card situation, though? Maybe they are waiting for the next nVidia refresh?

Like the one that just happened? We won't see updated nVidia 89xx for a few months, possibly not even until this Fall at Siggraph. And by then we'll be expecting announcements of updated Mac Pro systems again, if they don't revamp the line before then.

Until they fix the graphics card situation, my "Recommended Mac Pro 3D Modeling, Animation, and Rendering Workstation" is a PC

I second that recommendation. Come on, Apple! :angry03:

Manfred Lopez

04-04-2007, 03:26 PM

Let's not forget Final Touch and Shake, which they suspended developing... Me thinks that Apple will eventually unveil a Creative-Suite-like jugernaut bundle that will be able to handle all stages of image post at 4K.

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 03:58 PM

Apple 8-core mac pro's NOW!

Apple's SMOKE CURTAIN!!!

Wait for NAB!

I sure hope you're right!

Ivan G

04-04-2007, 05:44 PM

Apple's up to something beyond expectations. I think their putting together somewhat an inexpensive like SGI box. For those of you who remember Amiga Toaster. When you can edit, paint and create 3D all in one app was bad ass! Edit dual stream SD realtime in the early 90's. I hope Jobs comes across this thread.:sorcerer:

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 07:09 PM

Ace

04-04-2007, 07:56 PM

Hmmm... I hope it's nothing like an SGI box. ;) Well, maybe old-school SGI, back when systems like the Indigo^2 Max Impact were da shiznit. But lets' see if we can do without the old-school SGI price tag.

http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344BF5AC7BBD8A80ACF42CAB2 6B935B9EB139C3603D

Jeff Kilgroe

04-04-2007, 08:28 PM

http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344BF5AC7BBD8A80ACF42CAB2 6B935B9EB139C3603D

lol. "the fun can not be halted."

4Kcuts.com

04-05-2007, 12:10 AM

I would bet that the Red camera and Apple are going to be at the same booth. FCP extreme, Red camera, yeah it's all going to be there:spidy: They are going to be fully intergrated in my opinion, unlike anything seen before. The surprises are just days away. So much not talked about behind the curtain call. Look at all the pieces, the puzzle is going to look awesome. A lilltle bird flew by...It was all clear. Leopard, FCP extreme, Red.

MikeCurtis

04-05-2007, 10:04 AM

TheThe - actually, the idea of Final Touch and Shake in the new uber-bundle is the closest thing I'd believe in to a Final Cut Extreme bundle. A split-dev effort doesn't make sense (yet) since Apple had sooooooo much to fix in the regular FCP.

4Kcuts - that would require a pretty amazing dev schedule for Apple, considering how recently the codec was (or wasn't) completed (the delay of RGB in camera recording an example thereof). A first time poster with insight that good? I'd be very impressed if that were the case.

-mike

Chris Kenny

04-05-2007, 10:41 AM

4Kcuts - that would require a pretty amazing dev schedule for Apple, considering how recently the codec was (or wasn't) completed (the delay of RGB in camera recording an example thereof). A first time poster with insight that good? I'd be very impressed if that were the case.

Well, a lot of people are hoping they're moving FCP to a codec-agnostic engine, in which case if Red's QuickTime components are in good shape, it might work without much effort.

Still, I'd be pretty surprised to see Apple demo it at NAB.

Poi Boy

04-05-2007, 06:50 PM

The speed gains on the new box seem pretty awesome to me; as far as blue ray or hd burners I think we are going to have to wait a while. Is anyone shipping built in burners ? Sony ?
-A

Michael Hastings

04-06-2007, 03:58 AM

I'm waiting for iMovie4K!

I would bet that the Red camera and Apple are going to be at the same booth. FCP extreme, Red camera, yeah it's all going to be there:spidy: They are going to be fully intergrated in my opinion, unlike anything seen before. The surprises are just days away. So much not talked about behind the curtain call. Look at all the pieces, the puzzle is going to look awesome. A lilltle bird flew by...It was all clear. Leopard, FCP extreme, Red.

PaulClements

04-06-2007, 08:07 AM

I'm no expert on Mac but why on earth would they produce a version of FCP that requires a unique hardware setup such as Avid's? It goes against Apples mantra that their computers are professional, if it suddenly says, well the ones in the shop are professional, just not professional enough... Doesn't it?

Who would buy a normal Mac if the most professional software wasn't capable of running on it? Extreme sounds like a pile of dung from where I'm sat. They'll bring out a new modular software version that can harness new technologies if they are available and has a greater and richer feature set than previous, probably combining their apps into one streamline suite, anything else would be a kick in the face for all their users.

Eugene

04-06-2007, 11:32 AM

I'm waiting for iMovie4K!
You might be waiting 5 or 10 years, but eventually there will be iMovie 4K, as nutty as it sounds. Of course 7 years ago I thought I would be driving a hydrogen powered car by now. Good thing the oil industry doesn't control the movie and computer industries.

Nik Manning

04-11-2007, 03:50 PM

I think that what FCP Extreme will be is a bundle of applications. Kind of similar to CS3 Master Collection. So you can get FCP with Motion, DVD Studio, etc. or you can get those plus maybe a updated Final Touch HD or/plus Shake. So you have your regular and then your Extreme.
That would make the most sense to me.

Apple doesn't need to sell dedicated hardware because they already do. Buy a mac and you now have a dongle. Also I really don't expect any major FCP announcements at NAB. Apple didn't expect Adobe to come so strong this year at NAB. It is possible for Apple to release however some type of External h.264 encoder, but third party companies have already developed that.
I would love to see an external GPU enclosure that speeds up FCP Studio.

Alister Robbie

04-11-2007, 05:09 PM

Dual-core, Quad-core, 8-core? Shouldn't it be Octo-core? Then Decisex for 16?

wouldnt it be something more like hexadec-core? (based on hexadecimal being a 16-base number system)

Corrado Silveri

04-11-2007, 05:21 PM

Apple had sooooooo much to fix in the regular FCP.
-mike

Hey Mike,
I'm thinking about a completely re-written application, don't you?
FCP at this time is an old-school piece of software (gpu, resolution, bit depht, media manager, vector graphic, even type tools are soooo "old").

I'm waiting for a brand-new application, not an ultra-muscles-phenomenon...

Just my two cents.

Häakon

04-11-2007, 05:49 PM

The speed gains on the new box seem pretty awesome to me; as far as blue ray or hd burners I think we are going to have to wait a while. Is anyone shipping built in burners ? Sony ?
-A
Sony has been shipping Blu-Ray burners as an option in their laptops for serveral months now, and you can get a retail version 5 1/2" drive from Sony, Philips, Pioneer, TD-K, Lite-On, and Quanta for under $600 now.

Here's one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827248005

For the price of those 8-cores, Apple really should've included the feature (especially considering they are one of the earliest Blu-ray supporters).

Jeremy Hughes

04-11-2007, 05:58 PM

Final Cut Extreme will be a computer. Overclocked liquid cooled clovertowns running at 4GHz. With a 4K enabled FCP6 pre-installed. :)

Poi Boy

04-11-2007, 06:01 PM

Jeremy Hughes

04-11-2007, 06:22 PM

Perhaps you are right, they should at least offered blue ray as an option but I don't see the price as being out of line.
As far as FCstudio goes nab will make you happy, not in an extreme way, but happy.
Aloha
-A

Well don't they have Blu-Ray burners for the Mac Pro though already? Third party? And maybe Leopard will have Blu-Ray support and it'll be an option at the release.

Alexander Black

04-11-2007, 06:54 PM

http://www.barefeats.com/octopro1.html

Wait. Building software for multiple processors is more difficult and time consuming. Even the great Apple citadel of software engineering will need some time to digest it. Also, note from the article how shit the memory bandwidth is on the 8-way machines: 350MB per processor. What you need for playback is RAM, and LOTS OF IT.

To the poster who was talking about 4k editing - you can't edit 4k, it's pointless. Where would you display it? When you do a final conform it might be to 4k from redcode source, but 4k playback isn't terribly useful unless you have a 4k projector. And you don't. Best you could do is 1080p (which is pretty damn good, graded @2k or 4k and scaled down will be so freaking gorgeous I'm peeing in my panties just thinking about it).

You will almost certainly be editing with DVCPROHD, then when you're all done and happy, hit color correction in 2k and do a final rip to 4k. That or possibly use proxies generated by FCP and the DPX plugin from gluetools: http://www.gluetools.com/ - but would need to play with the software to be sure :spidy:

Of course if you're compositing you want the original 4k but you'll be paging through individual frames, and if you want to see motion you'll be using 1080 proxies or 2k with a 30".

See y'all at NAB, whee. I want to play with scratch. Oh, yes of course and slobber on the RED - but that goes without saying.

http://turingstudio.com/bhutan/r0081-35.jpg

Corrado Silveri

04-11-2007, 11:59 PM

Coincise, plain and simple.
Thanks.

I (again) am waiting for a brand-new application an really up-to-date FCP, not an ultra-muscles-phenomenon...

(gpu render, resolution, bit depht, media manager, vector graphic, even type tools need a lot of works, in the actual Finalcut).

Moir

04-12-2007, 01:22 AM

Nice shot of the Tiger's Nest, Turing. Got to ask why?!

Alexander Black

04-19-2007, 02:54 PM

Heh, because I had been working on it today. I'm preparing a set for (hopefully) a show... at glacial pace :)

hmurchison

04-19-2007, 11:03 PM

Leopard will offer significant improvements to multi-core efficiency. Threading right now isn't that difficult but it isn't that easy either.

In Leopard you simply break your app into tasks and say "give this task higher priority here" and the OS handles locking the tasks to the core(s).

Nextgen Intel hardware even improves it's ability to manage what's in the cache for 4 cores (today it only effectively manages 2 cores)

A lot of today's poor memory bandwidth is exacerbated by needless FSB traffic because the cache use is inefficient.