Display Options For 4k Red-ray

[Peter Majtan]

Since this corner of the forum has died a little I decided to breathe in a little life. I have seen now and then scattered across the forum links and details about possible 4K monitoring options.

Anyone who cares to contribute - please post a link for a possible 4K monitoring options and I will try to keep it up-to-date in the bellow summary:

Category A1 (Pro 4K projectors):

Sony's SRX-R220
http://www.aboutprojectors.com/Sony-CineAlta-4K-projector.html
Price: unknown

Category A2 ("Accessible" - read tens of thousands, not
hundreds - 4K projectors):

Sony's SRX-R105
http://www.aboutprojectors.com/Sony-SRX-R105-projector.html
Price: about $66K

Barco FX-5
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/products/product_specs.asp?element=4068
Price: about $85K

Category B1 (Pro 4K monitors):

Any suggestions?

Category B2 ("Consumer" 4K Plasmas & LCD's):

Sony's 82" 4K plasma:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/video-82-inch-4k-sony-prototype-display-gets-showcased/
Price: unknown

Panasonic's 150" 4K plasma:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49294967,00.htm
Price: unknown

Sharp's 4K x 2K plasma:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/10/06/sharp-unveils-4k-tv/
Price: unknown

Toshiba's 56" 4xHD monitor:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/04/17/nab-2007-toshibas-56-inch-almost-4k-monitor/
Price: unknown

Astro Systems' 56" LCD:
http://www.pclaunches.com/monitors/astrosystems_dm3400_56inch_4k_x_2k_res_lcd_monitor .php
Price: unknown

[Craig Ryan]

To me it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for a 40-50" LCD with 4k resolution in the sub 5k$ price range; something like this should be available within the next year or so whether it be Apple or Dell. Plus we are still anticipating RED to officially announce their line of 4k displays/projector(s) they mentioned at NAB before. It would be nice for RED users to see their content 1:1 as opposed to the Quad HD format.

[Robin Balas]

How about this one? Should be a bit dim for large screens, but perfect for post work ;)
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/products/product_specs.asp?element=4068
Or one of the others from Barcos series of excellent projectors.

[Peter Majtan]

At $85K for the Barco I would prefer the 16:9 SX-R105 from Sony ($66K). But never the less - it is up there - thanks for the link...

[Craig Bowman]

... Plus we are still anticipating RED to officially announce their line of 4k displays/projector(s) they mentioned at NAB before. ...

Red has already announced this year they have scrapped plans for 4K displays and will let all the third party monitor companies battle that one out.

[Peter Majtan]

I can understand that. But there is still a space for an affordable and compact 4K projector (let's say bellow $10K). Let's hope they don't toss this one outta window...

[Craig Ryan]

Red has already announced this year they have scrapped plans for 4K displays and will let all the third party monitor companies battle that one out.

Aye that be true!

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Yeah, what about RED 4K projectors?

Otherwise, what is RED RAY for?

[Peter Majtan]

My point exactly...

[CosmicUniversal]

Aye that be true!Not only did they announce it, but I asked Jim at NAB and he said no, that at this time they are not doing it. They were shooting for sub 10k for their 4k monitors (correct me if I'm wrong), but that another company beat them to it and would be just a bit more (whatever that means) than 10k, so they decided not to venture that route. Although, everything is subject to change.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Here we are in September of 2010 and, AFAIK, the options for 4K display are still extremely limited unless you have $$$,$$$.

If anyone knows of shipping 4K monitors/projectors that are even remotely "affordable" please share. Thanks.

Cheers - #19

[Mark L. Pederson]

At $85K for the Barco I would prefer the 16:9 SX-R105 from Sony ($66K). But never the less - it is up there - thanks for the link...

I'd take Barco any day over Sony for post production work.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Samsung is taking OEM orders for their quad-HD LCD panels, they have two sizes, one is 52", I don't recall the other size -- I think 46". LED-backlit 3840x2160, 120Hz capable. Can be ordered with optional polarized masking if someone wants to build displays that use passive 3D glasses instead of shutter glasses. I don't know the pricing...

The 4K panel from TVLogic is using a 4K panel from LG, which they have been selling to OEMs for about a year now. Quad-HD and 4K are coming, but I think the industry got a little sidetracked with 3D over the past 2 years.

[Subhadip Sen]

Here's a cheap option for $3500 - Samsung MD230X6 built for ATI Eyefinity. It is six 23" full HD monitors bolted together. Sure, there are bezels, but they are thin enough to offer a workable makeshift solution, and ATI's bezel correction is said to be rather impressive. An ATI Eyefinity6 card is also must. (Or two in Crossfire) Either way, a ~70", 6K (5760x2160) display for $3500 is worth considering. Good news is bezel-less Eyefinity solutions are said to be in development.

PC enthusiasts and gamers are well known to demand high resolution displays, and generally, PC monitors have always been ahead in the resolution department. We have had 2.5K since 2005, since when we seemed to have hit the DVI limit. However, with tech like DisplayPort or Eyefinity, a 4K monitor is surely not too far away.

Another interesting solution could be the 3K CRVDs. The wide aspect ratio seems reminiscent of Cinerama and Super Panavision 70.

[M Most]

I'd take Barco any day over Sony for post production work.

I certainly have to agree with you on that. I would probably change the word "Barco" to "DLP", though, as my experience with NEC and Christie projectors has been just as positive.

However, I have been told by some friends at Colorworks that the "new" Sony units are significantly improved in many ways, and are much closer to what's needed than anything they've made in the past. Personally, I'm much more inclined to wait for the 4K DLP units before making any investment in Sony's technology.

[Sven Seynaeve]

Thanks for the info. Good to know Barco has a 4k right now.
There actually based 30 minutes from where I live and they have a nice showing theather. Looking forward to see it working.

[Stuart English]

I think that you will find the current 4K Barco is LCOS, the DLP version is expected in early 2011. Same for Christie's 4K DLP.

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2010/09/03/big-boys-to-play-with-4k-and-3d-dlp/

[Tom Lowe]

I would love to have a 40" 4K for editing.

Some people might think there is not enough of a market to justify a manufacturer making a 4K 40" LCD. But imagine how many still photographers, for example, would flock to such a device, allowing them to color correct, photoshop, etc, at 4K. That thing would be THE hot ticket for tens of thousands of photographers, not to mention thousands of Red owners, and soon tens of thousands of Red owners. Oh, and what about interest from the PC gaming community?

The first bigtime 4K LCD at a somewhat reasonable price is gonna sell like hotcakes.

[M Most]

I think that you will find the current 4K Barco is LCOS, the DLP version is expected in early 2011. Same for Christie's 4K DLP.


Hence my comment about waiting.

In the professional DI world, it's not about "looking good" or being impressive. It's about accuracy to industry specifications (in this case, the SMPTE/DCI specification), consistency, and stability. DLP Cinema projectors are all of the above. Sony SXRD's generally are not, at least to this point, although my Colorworks friends say they're a lot closer than they were.

[Frank Glencairn]

Canon had some nice 4k monitors at the expo in NY- don´t know when they hit the shelves thou.

http://philipbloom.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/l_2592_1936_DDAC391E-08D6-4507-B59A-15DAFB2B5A50.jpeg

Frank

[Bruce Allen]

Here we are in September of 2010 and, AFAIK, the options for 4K display are still extremely limited unless you have $$$,$$$.

If anyone knows of shipping 4K monitors/projectors that are even remotely "affordable" please share. Thanks.

Cheers - #19

A friend of mine recently began working in the marketing dept for Epson projectors. I asked her to chat to folks to see how that 4K projector was coming along...

Lemme see if I can get them connected with us REDusers.

No promises, but any messages from the community I should pass on? How low a price do they need to hit? $20,000? $10,000? How many sales do you think I could honestly say they'd be likely to get from you guys?

I can dream of a 4K projector group buy though, can't I :)

Actually, did Epson ever properly respond to Jim when he had that "calling Epson" thread?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Minimum specs: QuadHD (3,840 x 2,160), LCoS or DLP based, 1,200 lumens, 2,000:1 contrast ratio, 99% of rec 709 color gamut, 96% of P3 gamut, decent stock lens and access to calibration controls.

Street price of $10,000 and I'll buy one today. Street price of $20,000 and I will expect more than the minimum specs described above but if the picture is good I'd pay it. More than that and the ROI gets tough quickly, at least for my business model.

Anyone know the street price for a Projection Design F35 projector?
(single chip DLP, 2560 x 1600, 6500 ansi lumens, 36-bit RGB)

Cheers - #19

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Uh... What Blair said. Epson needs to hit the QuadHD mark or better yet, full 4K. They also can't shaft their customers with a $10K projector and a $3500 bulb to replace every 2500 hours as some projector makers do.

Oh and if they really want to make a splash, they should make a 3D projector that incorporates a polarizing wheel along with the DLP color wheel in the projector so we can set up passive 3D systems without the need for two separate projectors and concerns over convergence etc..

[Tim Whitcomb]

Minimum specs: QuadHD (3,840 x 2,160), LCoS or DLP based, 1,200 lumens, 2,000:1 contrast ratio, 99% of rec 709 color gamut, 96% of P3 gamut, decent stock lens and access to calibration controls.

Street price of $10,000 and I'll buy one today. Street price of $20,000 and I will expect more than the minimum specs described above but if the picture is good I'd pay it. More than that and the ROI gets tough quickly, at least for my business model.

Anyone know the street price for a Projection Design F35 projector?
(single chip DLP, 2560 x 1600, 6500 ansi lumens, 36-bit RGB)

Cheers - #19

Hi Blair. I posted a GROUP BUY for this a few months back... its still not shipping until Nov and possibly until January now .I LOVE Their 1080 F32 projectors... swear by them for the $... but these will ONLY be sub $30K on a group buy... MAYBE sub $25K if we could get 100 of them.

Still a screaming deal for a BEYOND 2K projector... and the TI Dark chip and VIZ SIM color wheel is the same as used in the Christie... not to mention a much SMALLER form factor than a SONY or Christie, Barco, etc.

[Wayne Morellini]

So Guys, is there anything cheap for 4K, apart from those old poor secondhand 21inch monitors for 4-5 years ago?

I had planned on doing a design with a optical device to stich together 4 or more pictures to make SHD, but my bad health has prevented me. However, a simpler thign somebody might attempt, is a bracket for 4 or more projectors, to line up and focus on screen. If Red wanted to I could show them possibly how to make a SHD desktop display for sale beneath $5K (reality is under $2K as a mass produced product without antitrust based restrictions). I actually was planning on doing such a device, but hit a snag handling the data bandwidth on the components at that time (which also culled of the idea of camera recorder, or compressed in socket sized SD card recorder). When you get to that stage, it is like the old song, 'blue skies, looking at me, nothing but blue skies do I see', then you give up the idea until you can afford otherwise. Anyway, the projector bracket thing is doable if anybody is interested, the trick is getting a hi-fidelity projector cheap enough (I had a few possible sources in mind).

On the humorous side: Ever get sick of still getting weird looks you even dare mention something in the SHD-4K range in a 'computer' shop, where they usually have no idea (even though Nvidia was pushing it over 4 or more years ago) not to mention that you can buy SHD TV's now. I had one guy saying that no screen was available with even 4 million pixels when I asked if Apple was upgrading the display he had across from the counter (I think he actually resorted to using his on screen calculator, I think he was one of the better ones, some guys are just like watching fish in a bowl, as with many, so frustratingly fascinating).

[david farland]

.....say a consumer grade 56"x 4K television (somewhere) costs ~$20,000.
television prices drop about 30% per year, so we can expect the following....looking at the list it'll feels a little optimistic....
(take this with a grain of salt!)


2010 - $20,000
2011 - $13,000
2012 - $8,500
2013 - $5,700
2014 - $4,000
2015 - $2,500
2016 - $1,800


D,

[Tim Whitcomb]

.....say a consumer grade 56"x 4K television (somewhere) costs ~$20,000.
television prices drop about 30% per year, so we can expect the following....looking at the list it'll feels a little optimistic....
(take this with a grain of salt!)


2010 - $20,000
2011 - $13,000
2012 - $8,500
2013 - $5,700
2014 - $4,000
2015 - $2,500
2016 - $1,800


D,

Actually the only one out now is the ASTRO and costs $69,995 USD at BH-Photo http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/676516-REG/Astro_Design_Inc_DM_3410_4K_x_2K_10.html

So triple all these numbers and in 2016 - a 4K monitor will be $5400, right?

[Tim Whitcomb]

Anyone TEST this $15K 4K projector yet? Holy Shit! its only $15,000 USD? is that a typo?

JVC DLA-SH7NL

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/02/jvc_dla-sh7nl_projector.html

[Michael Hastings]

I would love to have a 40" 4K for editing.

Some people might think there is not enough of a market to justify a manufacturer making a 4K 40" LCD. But imagine how many still photographers, for example, would flock to such a device, allowing them to color correct, photoshop, etc, at 4K. That thing would be THE hot ticket for tens of thousands of photographers, not to mention thousands of Red owners, and soon tens of thousands of Red owners. Oh, and what about interest from the PC gaming community?

The first bigtime 4K LCD at a somewhat reasonable price is gonna sell like hotcakes.

I think you are right on here, the computer community will drive it initially. Beside photo/video/cad/gaming there are a lot scientific/industrial uses - the process control people love those high res displays. In our area the museum, trade show and signage people latched onto hidef much quicker than the regular tv/motion pic industry and I think they will do the same with high res displays. You don't even need a 4k movie cam to do 4k photos and PowerPoint style presentations (with maybe 1080 video in a window) so I think it will happen fairly quickly once it starts.




.....say a consumer grade 56"x 4K television (somewhere) costs ~$20,000.
television prices drop about 30% per year, so we can expect the following....looking at the list it'll feels a little optimistic....
(take this with a grain of salt!)

I've always heard that as they double the quantity sold, the cost is halved, so the curve is much steeper atbthe beginning.

[Brandon J.F.]

Anyone TEST this $15K 4K projector yet? Holy Shit! its only $15,000 USD? is that a typo?

JVC DLA-SH7NL

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/02/jvc_dla-sh7nl_projector.html

The price does not include a lens.

[Tim Whitcomb]

The price does not include a lens.

most pro projectors dont. im trying to find Lens pricing - will update

DVI-D input only = 8-bit = No wonder its only $15K USD

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Anyone TEST this $15K 4K projector yet? Holy Shit! its only $15,000 USD? is that a typo? JVC DLA-SH7NL

Announcing this model was indeed good news in that somebody sees the potential market. Of course, since that Feb. 2010 press release there appears to be nothing going on. If anyone has any recent info on this unit I would love to know.

As others have noted the 3-D craze seems to have put the "beyond HD" segment into suspended animation. Moreover, if 3-D lays a financial egg for the display manufacturers, which seems highly likely unless the Christmas season moves a ton of units, they may be even more timid on investing in 4K display tech that has no verifiable market metrics.

Like many high tech product offerings the value proposition is difficult to attain without shipment volumes that yield rational unit costs, both for wholesale and retail pricing models. I would posit that our very own Red Leader leveraged an opening in the marketplace by gambling that if the retail price of a professional camera was low enough that it could be sold in quantities that would drive down unit cost and create a viable business model.

Quite frankly, AFAIK, the only company with enough skin in the game, war chest, top down decision making and synergistic product offerings to take this particular leap of faith in the short term is RED. Lately their focus appears to be rolling out new cameras, better color science, etc which is hard to fault.

IMHO our best near term hope is that Apple will roll out a 32" - 60" QHD (3,840 x 2,160) monitor for their next generation product line. Why? Apple wants to take over your living room. Plus, they are still a player in the creative field (though fading) where high megapixel digital stills and numerous other applications would make the monitor a justifiable investment.

If Epson, JVC or anyone else cares to prove me wrong I have my credit card in hand...

Cheers - #19

[Tim Whitcomb]

Announcing this model was indeed good news in that somebody sees the potential market. Of course, since that Feb. 2010 press release there appears to be nothing going on. If anyone has any recent info on this unit I would love to know.

As others have noted the 3-D craze seems to have put the "beyond HD" segment into suspended animation. Moreover, if 3-D lays a financial egg for the display manufacturers, which seems highly likely unless the Christmas season moves a ton of units, they may be even more timid on investing in 4K display tech that has no verifiable market metrics.

Like many high tech product offerings the value proposition is difficult to attain without shipment volumes that yield rational unit costs, both for wholesale and retail pricing models. I would posit that our very own Red Leader leveraged an opening in the marketplace by gambling that if the retail price of a professional camera was low enough that it could be sold in quantities that would drive down unit cost and create a viable business model.

Quite frankly, AFAIK, the only company with enough skin in the game, war chest, top down decision making and synergistic product offerings to take this particular leap of faith in the short term is RED. Lately their focus appears to be rolling out new cameras, better color science, etc which is hard to fault.

IMHO our best near term hope is that Apple will roll out a 32" - 60" QHD (3,840 x 2,160) monitor for their next generation product line. Why? Apple wants to take over your living room. Plus, they are still a player in the creative field (though fading) where high megapixel digital stills and numerous other applications would make the monitor a justifiable investment.

If Epson, JVC or anyone else cares to prove me wrong I have my credit card in hand...

Cheers - #19

excellent observations Blair... still think we all would plunk down $15K WITH LENS on a group buy on this thing if it indeed was 10-bit 4K.

I have got Torrey (Silverado Systems) looking into it. Because who doesn't want to project their delicious 4K Debayered (from 5K EPIC) footy to a 40 Foot screen? :) I know my clients would LOVE it.

Hell, we can all start our own 4K city to city - international projection venue/lounges. :)

[Torrey Loomis]

Message sent to Carl Hicks at JVC. We'll see what he says.

Torrey
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[Robert Knoll]

Curious why there is so much interest in projection? I have been heavily involved in same for many years and as good as they look they are not what I would call reference standard. Besides, the blacks are, well, not that black and lamps can be costly!

[Wayne Morellini]

The stuff in this thread is getting a bit naive.

A few years back a manufacturer revealed that there was very little difference in cost of 720p and 1080i sets. I remember in the 80's a manufacturer revealing how little their Vietnam produced TV's were. It is smoke and mirrors. The truth is in mass production the cost compared to FULLHD is likely to be small. There are variables of course, some tech wont scale/wont scale cheaply, and other tech that will scale can cost more, I'm not that far into the LCD/Plasma display design side of things to be able to tell.

SHD has been around for years. CMO, a cheap display provider that produces displays for a number of manufacturers announced a SHD 56 inch around 2006. Nvidia was pushing for SHD, but the industry let use down. There was a 21 inch (or 22) before this (scale that up to 42inch you get Ultra HD). Since then there has been many teaser SHD displays shown, apart for the $20K production plasma. So, the time scale of cost reductions should probably extend from at least this date.

But the truth is that you can do a SHD display for $1000 retail. As long as it is good and bright enough to edit videos at desktop size it's doesn't have to project up to a big screen.

Another, more expensive technology is the one used in the laser Vue, that should scale up to a 'relatively' cheap SHD display (providing you can pry a SHD chip from TI's hand cheap enough (or use 4 FULLHD chips and processing). Originally, sets were said to be something like $1700 but then they brought them out for around $7000 in time for the GFC. You might find it had to find another reference monitor that can handle nearly 200% color.

Led FULLHD projectors would be another thing, I think it was 130% or 160% color.

About the gray blacks and quality of projection screens. There are specialist newer screen technologies that should give you high quality, high contrast and blacker blacks. Being under patents it is probably being sold for a lot more than it could be for given a deal for 30-60 inch screens it should be cheaper.

My own designed was aimed at $80 production costs, retail $500.

Stills people more likely would prefer/need a 56inch+ ultraHD display to see the detail in professional DSLR cameras, as SHD is not enough for even cheap 14mp pocket cameras.

So, from a hardware design point of view, the actual picture is a bit different, and you can't just judge from how much the market wants you to pay

Anyway, Red has something planned, wherever it would be cheap enough for Scarlet fixed owners is another thing.

[Steve Johnson]

Did any one find out any more information about this? I have emailed JVC Pro in the UK for more details including price. Interesting that it does have the DVI-D connectors and the RED RAY has four of these so it could work for viewing footage.

I take on board what TIm says in that its only 8bit but it could be a more cost effective way for clients to view their 4k footage.

Steve

[Torrey Loomis]

I haven't heard back from Carl Hicks yet at JVC. I'll ping again.

Torrey
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President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
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[Torrey Loomis]

JVC got back to me. The press releases stating the projector was $15,000 were missing an extra '0'

Retail is around $150,000 without lens.

Torrey
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President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
(916) 760-0032 • FAX (916) 404-5258
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[Curran Giddens]

Hahahahaha... Honest mistake?

:sneaky2:



JVC got back to me. The press releases stating the projector was $15,000 were missing an extra '0'

Retail is around $150,000 without lens.

[Steve Johnson]

JVC got back to me. The press releases stating the projector was $15,000 were missing an extra '0'

Retail is around $150,000 without lens.

Missing an extra '0'

Thats the best I've heard in a long time. How can they just miss a '0'?

Oh wellmove on the next solution!

Thanks for that Torrey!

[Torrey Loomis]

I think it was one of the news services that screwed up. The original JVC press release didn't mention pricing at all:

http://www.victor.co.jp/english/press/2010/dla-sh7nl.html

Torrey
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President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
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[Erik Franzén]

Wait wait, 150.000$ and 8-bit?! Or is it more than 8-bit?

[Torrey Loomis]

Yes--I was specifically told this projector was for large simulation use, NOT critical color.

Torrey
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President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
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[Tai Wah Lim]

I'd take Barco any day over Sony for post production work.

Mark, do you have a separate projection room for your Barco to isolate the noise from the blower?

Lim
CineRed China

[Blair S. Paulsen]

My name is Blair P. and I am a 4K-aholic. In a sense my business is all about being the equivalent of a 4K "street pusher", convinced that once people see proper 4K they will be hooked too, and I can be their local supplier :biggrin:.

Yes, I realize that oversampling at acquisition to create clean 2K/1080 is the short term target for 4K Bayer CFA tech. Maybe I have spent too much time looking at the 4K projection at RED Studios.

With the 5K EPICs just inches from our grasp the time for 4K displays is upon us. Trying to sell clients on the power of 4K without being able to show it to them is getting old.

If, in fact, volume is the only way to drive down unit cost, then, AFAIK, the only company on the planet for whom ordering enough units makes sense is RED. Moreover, RED has the other unusual and necessary quality - it is privately held and operated by a guy with deep pockets and great vision (not to mention passion, leadership, integrity, humanity...).

Jim has suggested in his posts that Epson might be our savior. I hope so. I really, really do.

Cheers - #19

[Torrey Loomis]

Maybe this will be the year of 4K for everyone else. Like to see a new version of FCP push out 4K through DVS Atomix cards to native 4K displays...

Torrey

[Tom.Wong]

toshiba is coming out with a 4k panel with glassless 3d technology...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/hands-on-with-toshibas-4k-glasses-free-3dtv-prototype/

glassless 3d is probably garbage, but another 4k panel coming out... it's happening, and really fast.

[Christian Edwards]

toshiba is coming out with a 4k panel with glassless 3d technology...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/hands-on-with-toshibas-4k-glasses-free-3dtv-prototype/

glassless 3d is probably garbage, but another 4k panel coming out... it's happening, and really fast.
Now i know what my new year's resolution is

[Christian Edwards]

Same shit another article.

"Not only does it make 3D crisper, it will give movie studios the chance to truly show off their movies in the future, as 4K is equivalent to the quality found in 35mm film and is what is behind the brilliant images that the RED Camera creates."

Read more: http://www.techradar.com/news/television/hdtv/7-features-that-make-toshiba-zx900-cell-tv-awesome-662412#ixzz1AWWU79qJ

[Wayne Morellini]

Jim has suggested in his posts that Epson might be our savior. I hope so. I really, really do.
Cheers - #19

I hate to be skeptical, because it just gets too much if you have to do too much of it, but I hope it is different from the Epson back projected LCD panels I have previously seen. Last time I looked into these sorts of projectors there were big problems, one being discoloration with aging, other panels were better. There are a number of manufacturers in china that could do a cheap SHD unit, by combining the light from full hd units unit through a prism (think of the original Olympus SHD camera for inspiration, though different prism).

There are many ways to make things happen, as long as you have money and there aren't other customers/suppliers/potential interrupting.

[Wayne Morellini]

Toshiba article :) . Looks like they have stumbled onto a similar 3D analysis concept to some that I came up with years ago, Intel came up with another similar one too. I posted one of them over at dvinfo.

[luis bustamante]

Hi,

You're missing the EYE-LCD 6400-4K by German Company Eyevis. 64", Full 4k (4096x2160), but only 8 bit. Nice in general but not the best black levels. This one also seems to be more intended for signage, visualization and security markets than postproduction but it does come with a cool processing unit to feed it any type of signal without (too much) degradation.

I quoted it with the mexican distributor and he said USD$55,000. Interesting, no?

Link: http://www.eyevis.de/index.php?article_id=51&clang=1

[luis bustamante]

It seems like you're also missing the SRML560 by Sony. 56", Quad-HD, 12 bit processing and a retail price somewhere around USD$80,000.

From the webpage:

"The SRM-L560 incorporates an exclusively designed panel that follows the Trimaster criterion - featuring a 56 inch screen, 3.8K resolution with 10-bit LCD driver technology. The backlight system is a highly stable LED system which allows wide gamut color display. The signal processing engine in the SRM-L560 is a full 12 bit process which can work in Y Pb Pr, RGB and XYZ color processes."

So, it seems like (what Sony would call) a true CRT replacement. Nice, no?

link: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-visualsimulmonitors/product-SRML560/

What do you guys think?

[Steve Johnson]

It seems like you're also missing the SRML560 by Sony. 56", Quad-HD, 12 bit processing and a retail price somewhere around USD$80,000.

From the webpage:

"The SRM-L560 incorporates an exclusively designed panel that follows the Trimaster criterion - featuring a 56 inch screen, 3.8K resolution with 10-bit LCD driver technology. The backlight system is a highly stable LED system which allows wide gamut color display. The signal processing engine in the SRM-L560 is a full 12 bit process which can work in Y Pb Pr, RGB and XYZ color processes."

So, it seems like (what Sony would call) a true CRT replacement. Nice, no?

link: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-visualsimulmonitors/product-SRML560/

What do you guys think?

Looks okay - I still think that the company that comes out with the first true affordable true 4k monitor / projector will win. E.g. $10k x 10,000 units = $100m - and that's just the RED community :-)

Steve

[Brian Merlen]

http://www.cinemassivedisplays.com/

Hey I didnt know if you guys knew about this already. It is sort of cheating in the sense that its just multiple monitors put together, but you can totally get these for soooo much cheaper than anything else I see around. Its like the rule of thirds, all the time...