User Preset buttons - Build 16

[Jarred Land]

Ok, here is an oportunity for you guys to make a difference.

Build 16 finally lets you customize those A/B User buttons on the side of the camera and on the EVF... and man let me tell you, its sure nice having those buttons do what you want them to do.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_cm%20capture%2021.jpg

So here is my question to you... what settings/functions would you like to see on the menu for those buttons to adjust?

...

[Warren Kommers]

-expanded focus is a good one. perhaps a 100% as many have mentioned.

-quick change to a user determined frame rate. one thing i loved about the scene files on a HVX is how quickly you could change frame rates. say something spontaneous/unpredictable happens and bam you got it at 120fps or 60.

[Christian Berg]

hi jarred! is it one feature per button? or can we press it multiple times for more features on the same button? like a loop of features that takes you back to zero after like"5"features.

i would like false color, false color focus, for one button.
zoom 50% 100% on the other button.

Good Luck!

[Salem Kapic]

Please, don't touch any preset buttons! Maybe remove White balance from "1" :sarcasm:
thanks

[Jarred Land]

hi jarred! is it one feature per button? or can we press it multiple times for more features on the same button? like a loop of features that takes you back to zero after like"5"features.

i would like false color, false color focus, for one button.
zoom 50% 100% on the other button.

Good Luck!

one per button.. but the EVF has 4 buttons.

[Fredrik Callinggard]

A quick option to change back on forth with either:

framerate
Speed ramp
shutter

Depending on what you've set as an extra option in your menu. This is so you can swap between either of these three from preference during shooting.

You should have a confirmation though, so you don't accidentally shoot the wrong speed for example, but that could be a simple press ok.

Fredrik

[ckarcher]

Hi Jarred,


A:

How about being able to switch from one preset format to another as a quick toggle?

example: 4k 2:1 <------> 3K 2:1 @ 50 FPS.

We often shoot wide shots in 4K, then inserts @ 3K (overcranked) on quicker setups.


B:
A toggle for various monitor settings: focus assist/overlay <-----> RGB histogram ( since current build does not allow both on-screen at the same time)

[Mike Prevette]

Umm. . . all of them?

Jumping through some preset framerates would be huge.

EDIT: Ramp trigger would be cool.

I would love to take it a step further and actually get to "write my own menu" IE give us a list of options and let us write an XML file that puts our favorite menu options all on one menu page that we could bring it up from one of the user preset buttons.

[hunterrichards]

ramp trigger would be great!

[Warren Kommers]

i would like false color, false color focus, for one button.
zoom 50% 100% on the other button.
!

These are all good ones but I figure these could be integrated into the EVF or LCD buttons as they are mostly display related instead of camera operations.

Unless only so much can be customizable and they need to go here.

[Mike Prevette]

I would be scared about putting any "format changes" onto the user buttons. It's to easy to screw things up if you can easily switch into 2k when you just meant to zoom in on the monitor.

[Warren Kommers]

I would be scared about putting any "format changes" onto the user buttons. It's to easy to screw things up if you can easily switch into 2k when you just meant to zoom in on the monitor.

well it's too bad that resolution is so attached to fps currently. however it is really obvious to me when Ive gone to 3k or 2k by field of view. Also there could be a good way to indicate it in the display.

plus you as the user decide to take that risk when you choose to do it. that's the beauty of user programmable. i understand your concern though. it's worth it to me to have quick access to alt. fps at the push of a button rather than putting the camera down to go thorough menus. at least for verite stuff.

[Jarred Land]

Hi Jarred,


B:
A toggle for various monitor settings: focus assist/overlay <-----> RGB histogram ( since current build does not allow both on-screen at the same time)

i really, really like this one...

[Shawn Bannon]

i'm with you guys on the various monitor settings for sure.

[Warren Kommers]

Jarred,

Does it seem like it may be possible in future builds for say.......... the EVF to be "normal" and the LCD for the 1st AC to be in "colored edge focus"? Do the display pathways allow that separation?

[Casey Green]

Hi Jarred,

thanks for this thread.

I would like to see the 2 buttons on the side be able to be programmed from the list below:

Auto White Balance (already there)
Zoom Monitor Output (already there)
False Color Mode (!!!!!)
Monochrome Mode
Luma Histogram
RGB Histogram
Focus Assist
Focus Overlay
Toggle Lookup Table
Toggle Frame Guides
Toggle Camera Mode (It would be great if you could load and save complete Camera mode settings so you can quickly change settings and share settings between multiple Cameras, such as FrameRates, Shutter settings, etc.)

Also, this may have been mentioned already, admittedly, I haven't read all the posts so far...

Since there are only 2 buttons, maybe they could have combinations that allow more than one setting per button. (Hold down for 3 seconds and it enables another feature or hold down both to trigger another mode.) Also, perhaps the A, B, C, user buttons can be customized as well in addition to the EVF user buttons and LCD buttons.

thanks again for asking for feedback on this.

[Kjetil Haugen]

Get false color in there and I'm happy.

(could one of the buttons have a funny sound? So that when people are down and depressed on set, you push the button and everybody's happy again. Maybe a donkey will do it...)

[Mark Allen]

Is there a way to add or enable a "double click" option on the button to allow for expanded modes?

click - focus assist comes on
click - focus assist off..

but..

click - focus assist comes on
click click - the next option comes on
click click - then next one (etc.)
click - back to nothing

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

One button to cycle through prefered exposure assistances (false color -> waveform -> Spot meter -> clean.)

One button to cycle through prefered focus assistances (edge enhancement->focus overlay -> focus assist -> clean)

One EVF /LCD button to cycle through image magnification (Full frame -> 2x -> 1:1)

What about the softkeys in the back? I can reformat cards blindfolded. I could put those ABC buttons to better use.

All the best,

Jochen

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

Since there are only 2 buttons, maybe they could have combinations that allow more than one setting per button. .

Yep, like the eject shortcut.

Jochen

[Karl H]

focus expand
false colour

is there a function that could toggle whats on the display? cycling through it would show or hide all the display overlays, meters, guides etc... (im talking more the buttons on the evf/lcd here)

[Lauri Kettunen]

Jarred,

It would be useful, if one of the buttoms could be programmed to quickly change to frame rate between 24 and 120 fps while the format were the maximum one could employ at each frame rate.

Second, it would also be useful if one could set a vertical flip on the LCD. For, the buttons of the LCD are on the top and the screw is on the bottom. However, to install a sun shade, it would be more practical to turn the whole thing upside down.

[Nils Ruinet]

Please make it possible to save / export / import the camera settings to the SD / CF cards.
(Maybe this is already possible, I don't have my camera yet)

[ALLSTAR]

1.false color

2.Zoom Monitor Output

[Patrick Tresch]

ramp trigger would be great!

I second that!

Pat

[Brigham Edgar]

I think that way too many of these requests are getting to complicated. One push, two push, three clicks here and there....just go to the damn menu!

I vote for one push/click each that goes to a specific function. Ideally it would be ideal to be able to adjust each button for exactly what you would like through the menu for quick access but in my opinion i would like:

1: One to one pixel ration
2: 'Assists' toggle (scrolling through the assists (focus, exposure), as Jarred himself liked)...and yes i know this kind of contradicts what i wrote above.

2 cents worth!

[Jim McKinney]

It would be nice to have the ability to individually disable them as well. (At least No. 1 - I'm a clumsy operator and sometimes inadvertently hit it.) Focus assist (no. 2) isn't a problem, as it's pretty obvious - and easy to correct - just rehit the button.)

[David Wyatt]

1. False colour (and/or focus overlay - user definable in the menus)
2. Zoom in (can that be programmed so you can zoom in while recording - on earlier builds you could do this, but not now - does the Red LCD or the EVF do this now while recording without affecting any of the other picture outputs?)

To be honest I'd make the User buttons have as many user definable settings as possible (based on this survey), which could be selected in the menu - like the User buttons you get on the HVX200, EX1 et al.

[Arnaud Paris]

1- Photon Canon
2- Nuclear Grenades

[Adrian T.]

One button to cycle through prefered exposure assistances (false color -> waveform -> Spot meter -> clean.)

One button to cycle through prefered focus assistances (edge enhancement->focus overlay -> focus assist -> clean)

One EVF /LCD button to cycle through image magnification (Full frame -> 2x -> 1:1)

Great suggestions!

Please implement the cycling! Since the features in a cycling group are mutually exclusive, cycling is the best and simplest solution to implement them all on a single button.

You still can provide the features separately if someone doesn't like cycling or if he needs only one of the features in a group.

[Patrick Tresch]

Great suggestions!

Please implement the cycling!

Why not have cycling related to MONITORING (signal/focus...) on the evf
and cycling related to CAMERA OPERATIONALS (speed/3k/WhiteBallanc/ramp trigger...)?

Thanks

Pat

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

False Color!!!!

[Jon Corcuera]

False Color!!!!
They are not realy well protected buttoms, actualy they are not protected at all, so I will not place anything that actually afects the image or the proyect.
If the look (lut) option is ready for build 16 I will place it there. It ain't realy changing anything in the information and it can be realy usable a fast change between your inside camera looks (Day, night, high contrast, low, ...)
Jon

[Matthew Rogers]

I like the thought of being able to cycle through things. That said, I personally won't change button 2 from the zoomed in focus mode. However, I would like to put Varispeed or resolution change on that--thought those aren't hard to access from the back either. What I would ask is a way to go up one level in the menu instead of having to start from the top. AKA, sometimes I will be 3 deep in the menu and want to go up one level but all I can do is go to the very top menu:(

Matthew

[Greg M]

Please retain the function to disable the buttons in the menu if desired.

A button to blank (or turn off) the "look around" space would be nice. Also the ability in menu to selectively darken the "look around" to a certain percentage, would even be better.

[Paul Hazlett]

I vote for monitor color on one button. Right now I am constantly switching
back and forth from edge detection to color monitor.

White balance would also be good.

[Bing Bailey]

A button map app in REDCine or RedAlert would be nice. then we could choose anything we wanted. this could save an xml to the SD card with the new mappings

[Adrian T.]

What I would ask is a way to go up one level in the menu instead of having to start from the top. AKA, sometimes I will be 3 deep in the menu and want to go up one level but all I can do is go to the very top menu:(

That's already implemented. Just push the joystick in the "up" direction. :wink:

[Phil Bates]

Jarred,

With the wide variety of responses to your question, I would think it wise to leave all options open. That said, my vote is for frame rate and format changes.

Phil
http://www.artbeats.com

[Jeremy Newmark]

This is not necessarily a button request, but it would be great if you could save a color temp setting and then be able to recall it if needed. Similar to how you can have two different color temp settings on an F900 (really 8 with the filter wheels, but that's not important). It's happened way to often that I'll white balance early in the day and want to continue shooting at that setting as the light changes, and then bam, the color temp button gets accidentally hit and I loose it. I know you can dial in a setting, which is wonderful, but to be able to save one or two and recall them with the push of a button would be fantastic. If it can't be done, I understand, but I thought I'd put it out there.

[C.H.Haskell]

Button map app sounds like a great idea but for starters... seeing as the RED ONE as many useful features that we want to access quickly I would second the "toggle multiple user selected features" enabled for those buttons.

[Craig Schober]

a button mapping app would be great for advanced users to tinker with.

but just as important, especially for red beginners and/or clumsy operators is the ability to quickly and easily toggle those buttons in operational or non-operational mode. every shoot so far has resulted in people complaining about those buttons getting bumped accidentally.

[Chris Bell]

Toggle through various pre determined frame rates. The current method is time consuming.

Chris Bell

[Emery Wells]

The two functions used most on set are false color and false edge by far.

Currently the viewfinder button assigned to false color only works as false color or false edge but it would be KILLER to have two separate buttons assigned to these functions.

Turning the surround view off is a big request by DPs we work with but this is a new feature request, not just a button request.

I really LOVE the idea of format presets but im not sure this function belongs to the user buttons. However, since someone brought it up, please give us a quick and easy way to setup a project using presets. The most common formats we are jumping between are 4k 16:9/23.98 and 2k/3k variable frame rate. For example, if we could setup our own presets prior to the shoot, while on set we could just dial in 'preset 1, preset 2, or preset 3' depending on what our shooting formats are.

[Joel Kaye]

So here is my question to you... what settings/functions would you like to see on the menu for those buttons to adjust?


The best solution is to allow buttons to toggle the status of several things to on or off at one press of the button. (Cycling through options would be a nice alternative)

So when I press a button I can have 2x magnify and edge focus assist and the RGB histogram show up.

I think ganging 2x and edge focus assist in one button push would be very helpful. Toggle both on and off with one push on a button in addition to being able to program them separately. You guys could easily do that at your end and make it an option for us.

These things should be programmable:

All Focus Aids
* Edge Focus Assist
* 2x Zoom
* Edge Focus AND 2x Zoom (one push to get both)

* ISO (push a button to get ISO dialogue and then use scroll wheel to change, push scroll wheel to lock and exit ISO dialogue)

All Exposure Aids
* False Color
* Zebras 1
* Zebras 2
* All Histograms

* White Balance (should be included as a menu item as well)

* Shutter Speed (like ISO and Frame rate)

* Trigger Varispeed Ramp

* Frame Guides

* Frame Rate. (similar to ISO, bring up scroll wheel controlled dialogue)

There needs to be a fast way to get to 2K and 3K also. How about - "Frame Rate" dialogue asks for your frame rate and if that frame rate requires a lower resolution then the camera informs you of the change with a yes/no dialogue? People don't think 2k or 3k if they are unfamiliar with all things RED. They just know they need 120FPS on this shot. So logic about the interface needs to start with that in mind.

Varispeed should be used for setting ramps only. It's confusing to have a straight frame rate with no ramp under that name.

* NOTHING - make a button to clear literally everything off the screen for shooters who want nothing. So I hit the nothing button, then I press my frame guide button and all I see is frame guides. Push nothing again or any camera menu button on the back of the camera and everything reappears.

All buttons possible to be programmable should be. LCD, EVF, Camera side and Camera rear.

Finally, everything should be saved to the SD card for use in multiple cameras.

EDIT -- I think for speed of programming this whole thing should be XML or similar based. You guys release some templates and we edit and trade them around here. The camera should simply reject any file with bad formatting. I think the overhead of programming the camera interface to allow users to customize all the buttons is probably pointless since it'll never be as fast/easy as just editing a text file and loading it into the camera.

Maybe for now you just get false color, edge focus and zebras working so this part of the project doesn't delay 16. I'm sure we all would rather have the image improvements as fast as possible.

[SF Geek]

I would like one to cycle through exposure meters, maybe in B16 the waveform will actually be big enough to be worth using. The other should cycle through scaling 2x, 1:1, no lookaround. Also remember, not everyone will have an EVF, so think about that when choosing.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

SPEED RAMP! and I second the histogram/focus assist overlay

[Kevin Shepit]

-ramp trigger
-cylcle throughs of Exposure assists

[michael zaletel]

Well...for me, I'd love to be able to configure those buttons to be "increase shutter speed" and "decrease shutter speed" like simple shutter speed plus and minus buttons. However, the 100% focus would be pretty cool so perhaps there is a way to configure those buttons for multiple click sequences?

-shooter

[Jarred Land]

I vote for monitor color on one button. Right now I am constantly switching
back and forth from edge detection to color monitor.



heh heh.. that was Me and Stuarts first choice, so that already made itself in there for the Alpha.

And boy oh boy is nice :)

[Jeff Brown]

By far the most important option to have is the project size (2k,3k etc) and varispeed option which are currently way too time consuming. Nearly evry project that I shoot at the moment has a usual 4k 25fps and 2k 100 fps for the whole day or something similar.

If we could have 2 project/fps presets in the main menu that can be set with a few clicks at the top of the day and then they are one click/toggle away that'd be great....

Jeff Brown
RED708

[Zach Hilton]

If we could have 2 project/fps presets in the main menu that can be set with a few clicks at the top of the day and then they are one click/toggle away that'd be great....

Jeff Brown
RED708
For personal use, I'm really interested in the different monitor setups. But for client use, having different project/frame rate/resolution presets connected to one button would absolutely be a huge time saver. We're technicians on a feature right now, and every time the DP wants it in varispeed it takes forever (relatively) especially when every two seconds they ask, is it done yet? Etc...

[substrata]

If it truly is only one function per button, my vote would be for

(1) 2X Focus Assist

(2) False Color Exposure Tool

Keeping it very simple, but these two (to me) are the most critical and the ones I would need to access very quickly and without fuss on a ongoing basis.

[Kevin Wild]

Why not make it programmable in a menu with all of these as choices? It seems that would be pretty easy to do...other cameras do it, already.

That way, everyone can choose what the A button does and what the B button does.

Would that work?

Kevin

[Zakaree Sandberg]

false color on body presets for sure

[hunterrichards]

Will the A,B and C buttons be user programmable sometime?

[Hrvoje Simic]

a button mapping app would be great for advanced users to tinker with.


Yes, please guys consider making this, or implementing this feature into RedCine. Preferred button presets will always vary depending on the types of shoots and shooter's needs. If you do that please enable saving few different "modes".


At the moment I personally need:

A: One click - fullscreen with no "look around", two click - 1:1
B: Switching between histogram, focus assist...etc

next moment I'll need something else...so will others



Why not make it programmable in a menu with all of these as choices? It seems that would be pretty easy to do...other cameras do it, already.

That way, everyone can choose what the A button does and what the B button does.

Would that work?

Kevin


I think it could be unpractical with current display GUI configuration. If Red lcd & viewfinder get a full screen menu that would be nice.

[Warren Kommers]

Can't False Color and all these display setting be integrated to the monitoring device buttons? Like the EVF and LCD. That way when you change it only effects that device and not the making the director see false color as well.

I agree that it's important to have it but just in a more appropriate place. If it's possible.

[Michael Hastings]

I would be scared about putting any "format changes" onto the user buttons. It's to easy to screw things up if you can easily switch into 2k when you just meant to zoom in on the monitor.

Make it so you have to press the button a second time to confirm.


I think that way too many of these requests are getting to complicated. One push, two push, three clicks here and there....just go to the damn menu!

2 cents worth!

3 cents worth: (I oneupped ya! Jarred: 3 pennies are in the mail.)

Right now, lacking a remote ccu box or interface, we underwater shooters are very limited in changes that can be made underwater. Without making other serious compromises, it is almost impossible to give good access to the menu buttons. Please give us as many functions as possible. Most single dives could get by with just a few options, but over a number of dives you might like to have a bunch of choices.

Maybe give us several modes. That is maybe one mode would make the bottom button cycle through all of your preset functions and then the top actually activate it.

Another mode might be just presetting the two buttons to two choices and you directly access them.

It is just software, so gives us as much flexibility as possible. If we are too clumsy to handle it properly that is our own fault - but not having options is frustrating. Being able to a high frame rates, shutter speeds, etc. could be very useful underwater.


Can't False Color and all these display setting be integrated to the monitoring device buttons? Like the EVF and LCD. That way when you change it only effects that device and not the making the director see false color as well.

I agree that it's important to have it but just in a more appropriate place. If it's possible.

This might be helpful, particularly if they don't interfere with the side buttons as it would effectively give us a couple more buttons to use. In other words, let us use EVF/LCD buttons for the EVF/LCD functions and other functions programmable to the side buttons.


1- Photon Canon
2- Nuclear Grenades

Best one - not too practical - but funny!

[Shawn Booth]

focus assist
false color
ramp trigger
xray vision
assigned frame rate (ie, 48fps, 90fps, 120fps)
histogram

[Ed Watkins]

Remove the auto white balance from button 1... you have no idea how many times I've accidentally pressed it while fumbling for the focus assist.

Other than that the idea of user definable buttons is awesome, especially when it comes to putting these cameras in housings.

[Matthew Rogers]

Remove the auto white balance from button 1... you have no idea how many times I've accidentally pressed it while fumbling for the focus assist.

Other than that the idea of user definable buttons is awesome, especially when it comes to putting these cameras in housings.

Seriously! That is driving me nuts! It would be wonderful if they camera didn't default to auto WB each time you power down and actually remembered what you had selected.

Matthew

[Jason Mitchell]

FALSE COLOR.

And the cycling trick would be awesome for the assists as well.

[Philip Lima]

The most buried, most used function that would be extremely helpful to have readily available is varispeed. Being able to jump from 4k 24 to 2k 120 would be very helpful!! It takes too long to get into the 120fps mode, by then, the action we wanted to capture is long gone. Coming from using an HVX for a year, having the presets is something we really miss on the RED.

I can't wait until B16...

[Eddie]

how about increase/decrease audio gain... lots of people would love to be able to ride the levels on some occasions

[Luis Otero]

Ok, here is an oportunity for you guys to make a difference.

Build 16 finally lets you customize those A/B User buttons on the side of the camera and on the EVF... and man let me tell you, its sure nice having those buttons do what you want them to do.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_cm%20capture%2021.jpg

So here is my question to you... what settings/functions would you like to see on the menu for those buttons to adjust?

...


I really think that we should be able to set them to whatever we want via current menu, so it will work for every customer based on their needs. However, if it is not possible (which I doubt it), I would love 100% magnification for focus assist as opposed as to the current magnification set in #2...:love:

[Warren Kommers]

Remove the auto white balance from button 1... you have no idea how many times I've accidentally pressed it while fumbling for the focus assist.

Other than that the idea of user definable buttons is awesome, especially when it comes to putting these cameras in housings.

We were able to disable the auto white balance button with current builds.

[Thom Steinhoff]

I've been thinking of a way to peer into the highlights and shadows during preview. it seems so useful to me, that it may be there and I'm missing it, but at the expense of being stupid...

Since the R3D has far more dynamic range than one can see on a preview monitor, have 2 additional preview presets to allow you to see the dynamic range in multiple parts as you can't see it all on the monitors at once.

Basically, what I would like is one of the EVF buttons (Getting it this week--can't wait) to toggle between 3 states

State 1: Normal view
State 2: Highlight curve - Curve that maximizes the highlight detail and drop all of the shadows into the black. This way you can clearly see detail in what would otherwise be perceived as clipping when viewed in a normal curve.
State 3: Shadow Curve - Curve to Maximize view into the shadows turning anything beyond a certain level into white. This allows you to see all of the information you have in shadows.

This way you can dig into the shadows and into the highlights as a preview to really see what you have available to you in post.

Maybe there would be some sort of blinking Highlight and shadow icon to let you know that this isn't the standard view, and maybe it would revert back to normal view when recording, but it would be good if you could playback in highlight or shadow mode to really see what was recorded.

[WesG]

How about being able to switch from one preset format to another as a quick toggle?

example: 4k 2:1 <------> 3K 2:1 @ 50 FPS.


This would be perfect - please, please!!!!!!!

[Bitdrake]

I like the thought of being able to cycle through things. That said, I personally won't change button 2 from the zoomed in focus mode. However, I would like to put Varispeed or resolution change on that--thought those aren't hard to access from the back either. What I would ask is a way to go up one level in the menu instead of having to start from the top. AKA, sometimes I will be 3 deep in the menu and want to go up one level but all I can do is go to the very top menu:(

Matthew
Mathew, have you tried pushing the jog dial "up" and "down" to up and down in the menu tree? Pushing the jog dial "down" does the same thing as pressing it "in", ie select the current menu/option.

[Luis Otero]

How about being able to switch from one preset format to another as a quick toggle?

example: 4k 2:1 <------> 3K 2:1 @ 50 FPS.


I think this requires to have a different formated media...:mail1:

[Mark Andersen]

Ok, here is an oportunity for you guys to make a difference.

Build 16 finally lets you customize those A/B User buttons on the side of the camera and on the EVF... and man let me tell you, its sure nice having those buttons do what you want them to do.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_cm%20capture%2021.jpg

So here is my question to you... what settings/functions would you like to see on the menu for those buttons to adjust?

...


I love to toggle thru presets for frame rate and configure. Eg. push once I go to 3K 2:1 at 60FPS. Push again I go to say 4K 2:1 at 30FPS push again and I am back to 4K 16:9 at 24FPS. to switch quickly from standard 24FPS to vari speed and back again would be fantastic. Another thing that would be nice is to go to false color in one touch. just a few ideas.

[Mark Andersen]

O.K. I realized that I am on page 8 and my request has probably been covered many times by now. sorry

P.S. put a few more buttons on Epic!!!

[Antoine Fabi]

Quick access to high frame rate with pre-settings in normal menu.

ex normal project 24p 4K
hit user button and you're in 60 fps 3K ! or 120 fps 2K etc...

[Mark Andersen]

Toggle through various pre determined frame rates. The current method is time consuming.

Chris Bell

Speaking of frame rates, please let us some how change the rates by tens in stead of dialing 1 at a time, maybe by toggle up you jump 10 FPS 30, 40, 50 etc. and toggle down does reverse.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

I think this requires to have a different formated media...:mail1:

This is not true anymore Luis.

It changed back in build 14 I think.


Emmanuel

[Bitdrake]

Speaking of frame rates, please let us some how change the rates by tens in stead of dialing 1 at a time, maybe by toggle up you jump 10 FPS 30, 40, 50 etc. and toggle down does reverse.

Try spinning the jog-dial faster. The frame rate jumps in larger increments. Spinning it really fast can traverse the entire range in 3 or 4 spins.

[Júlio Taubkin]

I just read this thread really fast now, but I'm not sure if anybody said it, so here I go (not even owning a camera):

- HIDE DISPLAYS

[Luis Otero]

This is not true anymore Luis.

It changed back in build 14 I think.


Emmanuel

Are you sure??? If I have the media (Red Drive) formated for 4K 24fps, I cannot change the settings on the fly if the magazine is not formatted to the new settings... Am I wrong, or my red (B15) is not working properly?:detective2:

[Damon Meledones]

Try spinning the jog-dial faster. The frame rate jumps in larger increments. Spinning it really fast can traverse the entire range in 3 or 4 spins.

When I spin the jog-dial faster it actually increments at a slower rate, too fast and it almost stops altogether.

[Warren Kommers]

I think this requires to have a different formated media...:mail1:

Not if your project frame rate is the same.

[Antoine Baumann]

Jarred,

Does it seem like it may be possible in future builds for say.......... the EVF to be "normal" and the LCD for the 1st AC to be in "colored edge focus"? Do the display pathways allow that separation?


Can't False Color and all these display setting be integrated to the monitoring device buttons? Like the EVF and LCD. That way when you change it only effects that device and not the making the director see false color as well.

I agree that it's important to have it but just in a more appropriate place. If it's possible.

If you can do that, then it will be perfect: different output with different monitoring option. Like DP looking to the linear light, 1er AC color edge higlight, and director to rec709 (with different LUT selectable) out of the HD-SDI.

I would say, 1er AC look to the red lcd, so I would put a toggle between normal view with menu, full screen without menu and 2:1 zoom on the first button of the LCD, and toggle normal view (rec709) and edge highlight on the second button of the LCD.
DP look through the EVF, so toggle between normal view with menu, full screen and 2:1 zoom on the first button of the EVF, toggle between linear light, normal view (rec709) on the second button of the EVF, and toggle between normal view (rec709), color exposure assist and monochrome view on the third button of the EVF.

For the side button, let me think about it and will come back to you...

ciao,
antoine.

[Jarred Land]

different monitoring overlays for different outputs is not there yet.. except for the LCD zoom in on the LCD, you can do that independent of the HDMI/HD-SDI outputs.

[Joel Kaye]

I would say, 1er AC look to the red lcd, so I would put a toggle between normal view with menu, full screen without menu and 2:1 zoom on the first button of the LCD, and toggle normal view (rec709) and edge highlight on the second button of the LCD.

I think this highlights the idea that people would probably like to jump between 2 totally different screens quickly as opposed to just wanting to toggle one item on or off with a button.

Being able to build a screen and assign it to a button is the way to go. And yeah that might take an XML file (and perhaps a gui to create that file eventually) but the idea itself is very RED.

Maybe that's a later build, but that's the proper direction IMHO. For now, if I could assign edge focus, false color and edge focus with 2x I'd be happy.

Also, I definitely would like adjustable edge focus colors and intensity. I've noticed different lenses, focus distances and subjects react differently to the assist making some very tough to nail.

[Nils Ruinet]

different monitoring overlays for different outputs is not there yet..
Wait, you mean it's possible and it's coming in a future build ?
That would be great news !
Like "normal image" in the EVF and False color or Edge detail on the Red LCD for the camera assistant ? And a LUT for the HDSDI Output...

[Jarred Land]

anything is possible.. but don't count on it.

[Emery Wells]

anything is possible.. but don't count on it.

Not sure if its been mentioned elsewhere but the really critical feature im looking for is to independently control which outputs contain the GUI. If this is a ways off, please give us timecode and frame guides back on the HD-SDI output when both the LCD and EVF are plugged in. I've been renting HD-SDI onboards because the DP of course wants to use the EVF, the AC wants a monitor for focusing, and the clients/director/script supervisor MUST have TC and frame guides up.

[Todd Jones]

I really like the option of different frame rates as well as switching between 4k/3k/2k, which I do not think is an option at this point.
TJ

[cinemano]

Id love it if the preset button could be frame rates.. 120, 60, 24 etc..
2k, 3k, 4k.. hum.. but then again onre has to reformat the cards each time anyway... :( wait.. theses questions are for build 16? aww. that means theres a lot more time to wait :(

[HD Hildebrand]

button 1 toggles through the top 8 needed choices.

button 2 selects the sub-categories withing those top choices and locks in selection.

[Pawel Achtel]

Button 1: 1:1 crop for focusing
Button 2: Enter/Exit SLEEP MODE :innocent:

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jarred.

How about approaching this from a different perspective. Why not allow the menus to stay as they are, but then you can "hot button" a selection you are currently on... Think of it like this: Your in the project menu, then you select 2K as your resolution, then you press side buttons 1 & 2 together, which tells the camera to copy the selection you are currently on. Then press the button you wish to assign it too. and that selection get's a highlight or something (In a perfect work, a small number like S1 (Side button -1) would appear next to what you just marked.

Now you can go to varispeed, set up your frame rate, and then go the the varispeed check box. Press buttons 1&2 again, and then button two.

So now button one will give you 2k, and button 2 will engage varispeed for whatever you set it up for.

Of course with a system like this, there would be no additional menu, as you could literally set the buttons up do to a number of commands in any way you wish. Of course you would be limited to 6 of them.. but you would have ultimate flexibility. A checkbox type selection would be on/off with the button. So you''d get two commands out of that one.

I am guessing this is a LOT more work than you had in mind.. So I would go with various on screen things, and some macros that would quickly set the camera up to a few different high speed settings.

Hope this helps

Jay

[Isaac Babcock]

Button one: 2k and 3k varispeed presets: shooting 4k @ 24fps, hit once: 3k @ 50 fps, hit twice: 2k@100fps, hit third time: back to 4k @ 24fps

Button two: SLEEP MODE - someday I dream- I've shed tears over missing action waiting for the camera to start.

thanks for asking...

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

I dont understand this need to change resolution or framerates so often.

And the possibilities for pilots error are enormous when its on a button right next to your false color toggle.

Cheers,

Jochen

[Antoine Baumann]

I dont understand this need to change resolution or framerates so often.

And the possibilities for pilots error are enormous when its on a button right next to your false color toggle.

Cheers,

Jochen

why not project frame rate change on the first side button on the camera and format magazine on the second :devil:

just joking ;-)

ciao,
antoine.

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

Yesss..... the suicide configuration.

:-))

Jochen

[Pawel Achtel]

... and format magazine on the second :devil:

Brilliant!

[Isaac Babcock]

I dont understand this need to change resolution or framerates so often.

And the possibilities for pilots error are enormous when its on a button right next to your false color toggle.

Cheers,

Jochen

Wildlife shooting - quick slo motion (no pun....) just my 2 cents...

[Joel Kaye]

Wildlife shooting - quick slo motion (no pun....) just my 2 cents...

Yeah, I can see the value of hitting a button and going from 4K 24fps to 2K 120FPS quickly. In "wild" situations something may come up that would benefit from slow motion that you didn't anticipate.

I like Jay's idea about memorizing the current menu selection to a button. Perhaps there's a way to memorize the entire screen and assign it to a button.

[Ziggy Uszkurat]

I would really like to have a button to mark the last take as GOOD. Please consider...

TIA
Ziggx

[Tim Sutherland]

I think Jay's on to something, that way we can all have exactly what we want. This option would also work if menu structures changed without too much change to the ways that button assignments work, all they would do was memorize your settings.

Brilliant.

[Jarred Land]

Yes.. Jay has a pretty good idea there, but as he imagined, its a little more time consuming than we can handle right now.

[Mark Allen]

I think that way too many of these requests are getting to complicated. One push, two push, three clicks here and there....just go to the damn menu!

You could be talking about a computer interface... but we all know how much faster someone gets around the computer with using both mouse buttons and double clicks vs. going to the menu...

[Harry Clark]

Yes, I like Jay's idea. VERY SMART.
It would be really easy on the ACs if they could make 2 presets. Most often it would be a speed change. We bounce back and forth all the time.
Very common on the Arri cameras. (the norm/ps switch)
IMO, the 3 buttons on the EVF are perfect. They are all valuable tools that you'd want at your disposal when looking through the finder, and very intuitive, although I suppose being able to assign these as well would make the camera more flexible.
I put a Brother P-Touch label on each button on mine.
Jarred, do the boys in the lab coats think Jay's idea could be implemented?
Thanks for asking us all.
Cheers,
Harry

[Jay A. Kelley]

Thanks for noticing guys.. I needed a little ego boost right now (Client is beating me to death).

How about this as a temp solution Jarred (I'm SURE this has been suggested, but oh well)

How about side buttons 1 and 2 as a complete profile. Set up your camera in one fashion (4K regular speed) and press and hold button one to save it. Then set it up in another fashion (2K ovrcrank or something similar) and press and hold button two to save it.

This is a watered down version of my earlier idea which I still like more, but may be easier to implement for the time being.

As for the other buttons. We need a full screen menu with a complete list of all on screen features so we can just quicly scroll through them and highlite what we want for each button.

In fact, perhaps that's the idea to save the time.

A full screen list of all on screen functions to choose from
then a 2nd full screen list of all camera setup functions to choose from.

For the varispeed menu, I'd pick three frame rates for 2K and 3K so as to keep the list from getting too big. Beyond that, you have to do it yourself.

Just my opinion.

Jay

[A. Bastaki]

first button... 100% crop
second button... 4k 2:1 24fps, hit again... 2k 120 fps

pwettyyy pweaaase
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[Hrvoje Simic]

Shooting profiles. Save the ones you use the most.
All settings changeable with one click.

[David Battistella]

If on the camera were programmable I would choose:

1. The focus assist of my choice, (false color, edge highlight, etc)
2. zoom (1:1 crop if possible) to aid in focus.

If we could have the choice to leave #2 engaged while recording then that would also be pretty cool.

I'd leave the body buttons devoted to EXPOSURE and or FOCUS ASSIST and leave resolution changes and such on the back of the camera.

LIKE THIS:

BUTTON 1 menu choices
(pick one of these for button one and once you have selected ISO then the button will emulate what turning the joystick would do. It would just start at 100 and as you click go up 125, 25-, 320, 400, 640, etc) same for the others. Once you have selected then clicking the button is like turning through the menus with the joystick.

toggle ISO
toggle SHUTTER
toggle METERING
toggle FOCUS ASSIST TOOLS
toggle CROP level
toggle FRAME GUIDES (great for those commercial shoots)

BUTTON 2 Menu choices (pick one)
toggle ISO
toggle SHUTTER
toggle METERING
toggle FOCUS ASSIST TOOLS
toggle CROP level
toggle FRAME GUIDES (great for those commercial shoots)

This is pretty user configurable.

Right now if button two was a 32K to 56K toggle, that would be better.

David

[David Battistella]

Bump.

Jarred,

Have you guys decided which of the suggestions in this thread are doable for build 16?

David

[Jarred Land]

testing :)

[David Battistella]

testing :)

thanks for the reply.

David