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06-14-2008, 07:25 PM
ok heres the deal doing a doc with an hvx200 and red
hvx is the on street footage and the red is interviews
so our teleciner exported all the red as 1080 24p Apple pro res HQ
our hvx was imported as 720 24p Apple pro res HQ
no i was thinkin i would have to export the p2 footage through compressor to 1080 and then edit but im sick of wasting space on this stupid project someone told me apple pro res hq works together
so i droped the p2 footage in the reds 1080 24p APR FCP seq,s it bumps the p2 footage to 200 percent which should change the quality but when i switch back and forth between seq’s it looks practically the same framing and quality and playback
I’m just a little scared of doin this i’m not very experienced with mixing these things but is this fine if i just do it that way or will i run into any problems??, all i know from apple guys is they say pro res rocks , is this why it rocks ?
Snow R. Shai
06-15-2008, 06:44 AM
FCP 6's open timeline works great with mixed formats and frame rates.
Since both your sources are 24fps, FCP needs to adjust frame size only.
The nice thing is that FCP does this for you.
If you want to work in 1080, open a new sequence and edit in a 1080 clip.
FCP will ask if you want to work in that format. yes.
Any other clip you throw in now, will conform to that first format.
if you edit in a 720 clip, the clip will automatically be resized to 1080 [%150 scaling]. The clips should play smoothly in RT unlimited on a good machine.
The weird thing is the speed change - do the clips show %200 but play in normal speed? Are the clips in the same FPS?
In any case, this ProResHQ workflow should work fine for editing and finishing.
You just need to decide the finishing frame size and work accordingly.
06-15-2008, 12:33 PM
ya there both 24fips
06-15-2008, 06:19 PM
the 720 clips are sizewd at 200percent and have a green bar over on render so its not red or yellow but it will play fine rendered or not just kinda scarry when i see its bumped up to 200percent on scale even thou there is hardly and noticeable difference between the 720 in the 720 timeline versus the 720 in the 1080 timeline
06-15-2008, 08:40 PM
Realtime upscaling in Final Cut between 720 and 1080 in ProRes is generally pretty good. If you look closely at the 720 stuff you may notice some aliasing, but in general it should past general observation, especially when just viewing for editing.
If you are mastering to 1080 then you could be ok - but the 720 footage will be discernible. If you are mastering to SD you probably will have a tough time telling the difference between footage (resolution wise etc.)
Snow R. Shai
06-15-2008, 10:05 PM
So the %200 was the scaling factor, not the speed of the clips?
06-16-2008, 06:42 AM
it's not the best for red to go with prores 1080, but anyway, the best solution would be to make the red footage match the lowest quality u have that would be 720, so make the red footage 720 prores to get the best result if u dont want a 1080 finish.
06-16-2008, 12:12 PM
well ya it is upscaling the size to 200 percent and 1080 was our happiest medium because the red the hvx200 and some footage is also film which got transfered to 1080p pro res hq so this seemed to be the happiest medium to work in
06-16-2008, 09:45 PM
ok i droped the p2 files in the 1080 sequence and they look good and they play well but a few random clips are now playing like they are choped down to 18fps (really jumpy nothing is different about the clips and i cant seem to figure out the solution
someone be the miracle
Snow R. Shai
06-16-2008, 10:07 PM
Did you try the different RT menu options ?
06-17-2008, 12:53 AM
yes from safe to unlimited and all that jazz ive triesd so many things but no solution i have a meeting with jerry hoffman tomorrow who wrote the fcp 4 manual and beta tested the red hope he can help me out
Snow R. Shai
06-17-2008, 06:27 AM
Sorry to hear nothing helps.
I hope your meeting will.
It would be great if you can update this string as to what solutions you have found.