Red One Porn +Spielberg?

[Bing Bailey]

Adult film studio Digital Playground says it's started filming movies with RED One digital cameras which purport to offer four times the resolution of a regular high-def camera.

In a statement released today, the studio says the RED One camera was used in the Fox studio release Jumper and will be employed in two upcoming Steven Spielberg movies.

link from http://www.tvpredictions.com/digital061608.htm

Jim you might be getting a few more orders soon. every porn palace on the planet

[Brandon Fraley]

wtf? that statement's all over the place

[Cam Crowley]

ick.

I'm thinking that porn is the one industry which might not benefit from the extra resolution from this camera. Either that or they are going to need a lesson in 'soft lighting' real quick.

My eyes - they burn!!!

Cam

[Jim Exton]

They need to start posting samples in the clip section. :tongue:

[Brandon Fraley]

They need to start posting samples in the clip section. :tongue:

hahaha

[Martin Weiss]

HD never caught on in the porn industry (which usually drives technical innovation; VHS, web-video...), mainly because in that resolution it really shows what quick turn-around times they have.

4k porn? Don't really think so...

[Brandon Fraley]

porn doesnt need more rez, but if given a choice, I always want WHATEVER im watching to look as good as possible. If some porn director decides he wants to be ambitious and give his flick some production value, more power to 'em :)

[Joone]

See what I can do about that clip.

Joone
Digital Playground
www.digitalplayground.com

[Brandon Fraley]

lol, if you really do represent digital playground then sweet. No joke, I'm seriously curious what you guys are doing with the camera. Prolly not gunna be able to post it here though :)

[Andrew Benz]

Sweet. I could be wrong, but I think the proof will be in the pu... pudding.


See what I can do about that clip.

Joone
Digital Playground
www.digitalplayground.com

[jaadgy akanni]

stretch marks at high resolution...can't wait.

[Scott Webster]

See what I can do about that clip.

Joone
Digital Playground
www.digitalplayground.com

Best first post ever.

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

That Spielberg info seems not half as interesting .....

:-))

Jochen

[DanWood]

Adult film studio Digital Playground says it's started filming movies with RED One digital cameras which purport to offer four times the resolution of a regular high-def camera.

In a statement released today, the studio says the RED One camera was used in the Fox studio release Jumper and will be employed in two upcoming Steven Spielberg movies.

link from http://www.tvpredictions.com/digital061608.htm

Jim you might be getting a few more orders soon. every porn palace on the planet


Several San Francisco porn producers are already using RED in their productions. They cannot provide the full 4K at this time and even the full 2K is problematic because they cannot get Blue Ray disc duplication companies to produce Blue Ray discs for them and there is little demand for expensive Blue ray porn at this time. Also, online consumers do not want slow 4K or even 2K downloads. But the RED camera is in use. Porn producers will be the largest customers of RED because they produce over 150,000 porn movies every year and they can easily afford RED.

Steven Spielberg is using RED even though he could use any camera including film, Dalsa, F35 and D20. Then again, he has a reputation for stealing plots and ideas from other artists and producers. His first blockbustger ET was a script stolen from famous Indian director Satyajit Ray. One of the latest publicised theft was "Small Soldiers" from Gregory Grant. Now he may be trying to duplicate Soderberg's success with Che by using RED. Spielberg will be the best publicity yet for RED. Now RED is everywhere including big hollywood studios. Congrats Jim.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I see the higher resolution driving a lot of "seasoned professionals" out of business. :)

[Lexicon]

See what I can do about that clip.

Joone
Digital Playground
www.digitalplayground.com

I knew it was you! I can't wait to see what Robby D. does with a RED!!!! I'm having daydreams of Island Fever 5 and Pirates 2 already....:devil: MMM.....Jessie Jane in 4K...:love:

[Lexicon]

Several San Francisco porn producers are already using RED in their productions. They cannot provide the full 4K at this time and even the full 2K is problematic because they cannot get Blue Ray disc duplication companies to produce Blue Ray discs for them and there is little demand for expensive Blue ray porn at this time. Also, online consumers do not want slow 4K or even 2K downloads. But the RED camera is in use. Porn producers will be the largest customers of RED because they produce over 150,000 porn movies every year and they can easily afford RED.


It's not about what you can sell five months from now. It's about the two years down the road. The shooting resolution has NOTHING to do with the Blu-Ray duplication issues which have already been resolved as the companies are all going to Asian replicators like they have in the past and there are authoring studios that do work exclusively for the adult entertainment industry.The post workflow IS the big issue right now and that will change now that RED, Apple, and Adobe are getting their respective ducks in line.

[Bruce Allen]

About time!

At the dawn of photography there were tons of beautiful nudes etc. At the dawn of digital cinema, the subject matter is a lot more geeky... sad!

Personally I think 35mm DOF will make for beautiful naked people and all the people saying 4K is not a good medium will be proved dead wrong. If it means makeup, camerawork and lighting needs to be taken to a higher level, great.

If the porn industry buys a ton of Reds, awesome! That's more R&D money for the company to push cinema further. More camera bodies available, etc, etc.

Porn and indie cinema are often allied. Look at Japan in the 70's... that was my girlfriend's thesis anyway ;)

And Joone, I agree, best first post ever!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I think I clearly got a "Plan B" for my career now... :)

[I Bloom]

What I've been saying all along... fully debayered Redcode which is then scaled down, compresses better than anything else except maybe computer graphics.

In other words, RED is the ultimate camera for web and DVD distribution.

IBloom

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

I think I clearly got a "Plan B" for my career now... :)

How about some partnership? I provide the hot brazilian chicks!

:nuke:


About time!

At the dawn of photography there were tons of beautiful nudes etc. At the dawn of digital cinema, the subject matter is a lot more geeky... sad!

Personally I think 35mm DOF will make for beautiful naked people and all the people saying 4K is not a good medium will be proved dead wrong. If it means makeup, camerawork and lighting needs to be taken to a higher level, great.

If the porn industry buys a ton of Reds, awesome! That's more R&D money for the company to push cinema further. More camera bodies available, etc, etc.

Porn and indie cinema are often allied. Look at Japan in the 70's... that was my girlfriend's thesis anyway ;)

And Joone, I agree, best first post ever!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

That was very funny and informative at the same time :).

[Wil Klassen]

I think I clearly got a "Plan B" for my career now... :)

touche

:biggrin:

[Brandon Fraley]

About time!

At the dawn of photography there were tons of beautiful nudes etc. At the dawn of digital cinema, the subject matter is a lot more geeky... sad!

Personally I think 35mm DOF will make for beautiful naked people and all the people saying 4K is not a good medium will be proved dead wrong. If it means makeup, camerawork and lighting needs to be taken to a higher level, great.

exactly

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

How about some partnership? I provide the hot brazilian chicks!


Co-productions are always welcome. :bleh:


touche

:biggrin:

:biggrin:

[Eryc Tramonn]

Sweet. I could be wrong, but I think the proof will be in the pu... pudding.

Your friggin' avatar made me lol for real. Hahaha. Especially in conjunction with the nature of this thread. Porn and rabid dogs go hand in hand.

[Movies for the Mind]

Nice, just what I needed to see, herpes sores in 4k!!

[Joel Kaye]

What I've been saying all along... fully debayered Redcode which is then scaled down, compresses better than anything else except maybe computer graphics.

In other words, RED is the ultimate camera for web and DVD distribution.

IBloom

That's really interesting. Are you saying RED footage would compress to h.264 to a smaller size with better looking results than other cameras? Is there a way to test and prove this idea?

[chuck colburn]

Several San Francisco porn producers are already using RED in their productions. They cannot provide the full 4K at this time and even the full 2K is problematic because they cannot get Blue Ray disc duplication companies to produce Blue Ray discs for them and there is little demand for expensive Blue ray porn at this time. Also, online consumers do not want slow 4K or even 2K downloads. But the RED camera is in use. Porn producers will be the largest customers of RED because they produce over 150,000 porn movies every year and they can easily afford RED.

Steven Spielberg is using RED even though he could use any camera including film, Dalsa, F35 and D20. Then again, he has a reputation for stealing plots and ideas from other artists and producers. His first blockbustger ET was a script stolen from famous Indian director Satyajit Ray. One of the latest publicised theft was "Small Soldiers" from Gregory Grant. Now he may be trying to duplicate Soderberg's success with Che by using RED. Spielberg will be the best publicity yet for RED. Now RED is everywhere including big hollywood studios. Congrats Jim.

I believe Spielberg's first blockbuster was Jaws.

[Bing Bailey]

Click on the link to read the full press release. personally the more producers using red cameras the better. only thing better than this is if bollywood switched to RED Digital completely given the level of output they have

[Bing Bailey]

Bruce is right. they'll adapt. in fact their needs are so much more extreme that whatever techniques they come up with for making their actors "ahem" look better will probably end up helping productions in the clean world :) LOL

[Ruairi Robinson]

That's really interesting. Are you saying RED footage would compress to h.264 to a smaller size with better looking results than other cameras? Is there a way to test and prove this idea?

cleaner the source the easier it is to compress. Grain and noise make it harder to keep the file sizes small and the quality high.

[J.D. Frey]

this will create a whole new level of shaving and waxing

[Hrvoje Simic]

So...what's all this about Spielberg and Red ?

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

So...what's all this about Spielberg and Red ?


Well, it's pretty obvious.

Spielberg is shooting porn with RED.

:devil:

[amrrahmy]

That's really interesting. Are you saying RED footage would compress to h.264 to a smaller size with better looking results than other cameras? Is there a way to test and prove this idea?

yes, it's amazing with encoding and down-converting and definitely better than any other hd camera they are using. if used properly.

[I Bloom]

That's really interesting. Are you saying RED footage would compress to h.264 to a smaller size with better looking results than other cameras? Is there a way to test and prove this idea?

Randomness is the enemy of compression. Less noise = better compression.

Shoot something on a camera with two different gain settings, see which one compresses better with the same compressor setting. I await your results.:shifty:

Ian

[Lexicon]

Well, it's pretty obvious.

Spielberg is shooting porn with RED.

:devil:

Dear God...porn with a John Williams score...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Dear God...porn with a John Williams score...


Yeah, but I heard Kahn has refused...

[Mark Thorpe]

I think I clearly got a "Plan B" for my career now... :)Now which end of the camera would you be at??

[Peter Majtan]

Now that is the right question!

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Now which end of the camera would you be at??


I will be (at) the thick end. :weight_lift:

Dunno, depends on the mood... and the subject. :bleh:

[Peter Majtan]

The little I know Rado - I can imagine him putting Scarlet in the "full-auto" mode in 120 FPS straight to 256 GB HDD on a tripod, while he gets much closer to the "subject/s"... That way he gets the best of both worlds - and great slow-motion shots too...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

We'll have so many options to experiment with the Scarlet. :)

[Peter Majtan]

That would be Scarlet - the camera, right?

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I'm not tellin`.

[Joone]

Ok guys as promised here the the trailer to the first adult movie shot on the red. Word of caution the trailer has nudity and sex in it.

http://www.digitalplayground.com/mov/jesseheatbd.html

[Benni Diez]

Seriously, look at the adult films of Andrew Blake. There's some really nice 35mm photography in those works.
It's not about resolution, but that classy look you can get. The adult market is full of crappy cheap amateur stuff. The impact Red will have in this area will be huge! And as always, porn will contribute a lot to the technology market, business-wise.
And I'm pretty sure something similar might happen to 3D btw.

[Benni Diez]

Oh, and I'm also sure that soon the best 'actresses' will get an 'HD-Ready' tattoo. :)

[Pawel Achtel]

Seriously, look at the adult films of Andrew Blake. There's some really nice 35mm photography in those works.
It's not about resolution, but that classy look you can get. The adult market is full of crappy cheap amateur stuff. The impact Red will have in this area will be huge! And as always, porn will contribute a lot to the technology market, business-wise.
And I'm pretty sure something similar might happen to 3D btw.

Wasn't that porn that started the Internet? Well, maybe not started, but made it what it is today.

I am also hearing that porn revenue is much, much bigger than Hollywood.

I think I am wasting my time filming fish :biggrin:

[Benni Diez]

Plan B Adultfilm Prod.! Who's with me?

[Tico Llaurador]

Wasn't that porn that started the Internet? Well, maybe not started, but made it what it is today.

Pawel, I believe you're referring to Al Gore.

:)

[Pawel Achtel]

Plan B Adultfilm Prod.! Who's with me?

Well, it depends if you are male or female.

[Benni Diez]

:red_bandana: Very manly male! :gun:

But really, I bet half of the indie filmmakers thought at one point: "Well if this doesn't work at all, I can still shoot porn movies..."

Hence Plan B.

[Petr Dvorak]

... "Well if this doesn't work at all, I can still shoot porn movies..."

Hence Plan B.

Wonder for how many days you are able to do it. I have strong feeling that its not so enjoyable on a set as it may looks :sick:

[Joel Kaye]

Pawel, I believe you're referring to Al Gore.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Since the guy never said it, it always kinda bugs me when people repeat it. Carry on. :-)

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[Lexicon]

:red_bandana: Very manly male! :gun:

But really, I bet half of the indie filmmakers thought at one point: "Well if this doesn't work at all, I can still shoot porn movies..."

Hence Plan B.

Quite a lot of DV jocks who fancy themselves as indie filmmakers have been shooting porn for ages.

[Júlio Taubkin]

It's difficult to do it. Those guys at the adult film studios deserve some more respect. It's not a second option, it's actually a very profitable specialization.

I wonder how the model of higher prod. value over low cost productions can survive, after the plunge it took during the VHS era.

[Andrew M.]

Wasn't that porn that started the Internet? Well, maybe not started, but made it what it is today.

I am also hearing that porn revenue is much, much bigger than Hollywood.

I think I am wasting my time filming fish :biggrin:

Pawel, good compromise will be to film Mermaids.
They come half naked anyway.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Plan B Adultfilm Prod.! Who's with me?


What about Plan C ? :)

[Justin Chin]

Wow. Am I the first one that's going to comment about the trailer Joone posted? Based on what I saw I think the Red was well utilized in, "Heat". It suffers from the typical cinematography you see in porn, but the "extra" resolution didn't "expose" any horrible flaws...

haha... I can't believe I'm commenting on porn cinematography...

[Pawel Achtel]

Wow. Am I the first one that's going to comment about the trailer Joone posted? ...

Good point, we forgot about that... :clown2:

In my view it was better than average. I think the camera did add significantly to production qualities and certainly there was more than average attention to lighting, camera work, editing and grading. I think the use of Red was a good choice for the "job" and improved the overall result significantly.

I liked the VFX eye candy too.