Beta Build 16 now available...

[Jannard]

It is now up on the Support page of www.red.com

Have fun!

Jim

[Tico Llaurador]

Thanks. Where are we to post about bugs, Jim?

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

WOWW THANKS:whistling:

[Christian Berg]

can't wait... So happy

[Brandon Fraley]

sweetness :) thanks Jim, going to download now

[C.H.Haskell]

Thank you Jim!!!

[Greg M]

is it hidden...dont see it?

[Brandon Fraley]

wait, where is it?

[Jay A. Kelley]

Neither do I
:(

[Hans von Sonntag]

Well, thought it's just me an my stupid browser...

[REDHKSC]

WOW ! 3:45 am in the morning in HKG but I am still working in my Studio with my RED !!!

It's time to rock my RED right now.

STEW.

[Michael Bach]

Ops guide is there but not the S/W ....yet...well at least from my browsers point of view:)

[Nathan Garofalos]

Its right here for everyone who cant find it.

http://www.red.com/support/release_history/7

[Greg M]

Its right here for everyone who cant find it.

http://www.red.com/support/release_history/7

nice find!!! bonus points for you tahoe.

[Jarred Land]

yup. took stuart a couple moments to put it live after the announcement.

[Ben Holmes]

Hah - beat you to it on the QT component...

[Justin Kirchhoff]

wow, 16 megs...this is a big one :)

[Tim Lüdin]

Ok out of the way. Women, children and me first.
Thaaaanks guys.:usd:

Cheers
Tim

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Hahah, the RED site is slow again :).... zillions of build16-hungry zombies are devouring its bandwidth.

Hoho.

[mavrix]

It's up now. Downloading in eager anticipation.

[Rick Darge]

Holy crapoly!

Red.com will surely crash..

This is a monumental day.. I feel like Fedex just pulled up to my door again..

Thanks Jim & Team !

[Corrado Silveri]

Buuuuuuuum!
Have fun guys...

[Justin Kirchhoff]

i'm glad i got my download off fast! sorry for those that are just getting it now...i think this is the apocalypse.

[SF Geek]

Where's the new Red Alert?

[Trevor Meier]

Any word on when the new RedAlert will be available?

[SF Geek]

Haha. I win.

[Nathan Garofalos]

Its not up the site yet, it will be posted as soon as its available.

[Rick Darge]

New Redalert is there..

If someone can, shoot some stuff with B15 then shoot the same stuff with B16.. curious but faithful..

[Justin Kirchhoff]

should we black balance after the build 15 2.2.8 installs and then install b16?

[Alexander Christ]

Successfully installed, waiting for RED ALERT! :-)

[Steve Sherrick]

I will be shooting with Build 16 tonight and then if all goes well, using it for an interview shoot tomorrow (there's a second camera as backup if anything goes wrong). Can't wait. I'll post some stuff tonight from Build 16.

[Nathan Garofalos]

should we black balance after the build 15 2.2.8 installs and then install b16?

In Build 15 2.2.1 it said to black shade after doing in the instal, I would assume follow the same directions as on the previous build.

[Rob Lohman]

RED Alert! will be here really really really really soon. For now use the QT codec!

[Jay A. Kelley]

I know the answer here, but there is no QT codec for windows yet.. Correct?
Jay

[Rob Lohman]

Correct, we'll have more news on supporting other platforms over the coming months

[dino g]

i did a black shad after 15 2.2.8 and then after 16 3.1.1...it is recommended, read the instructions!!!!!!

keep your lens off and your port cap on!

[Alexander Christ]

should we black balance after the build 15 2.2.8 installs and then install b16?

from the install_readme: Note: After performing any firmware upgrade, a BLACK SHADING calibration should be performed, however the BLACK SHADING process may be omitted if proceeding immediately to load Build 16 firmware.

[Tai Wah Lim]

I know the answer here, but there is no QT codec for windows yet.. Correct?
Jay

Jay, i love tenacity. I gave up and moved to Apple.

[Steve Sherrick]

Uh oh, it downloads but then can't expand. I've tried Safari and Firefox. Anyone else experiencing this? Maybe I won't be shooting tonight.

Edit: Nevermind, tried a few times and now it worked.

[Tai Wah Lim]

Edit - should read - I love your tenacity

[Justin Kirchhoff]

ah, thanks for reading the actual instructions guys....i was so into it i skipped that step

[Jay A. Kelley]

Yes steve.. I am getting a corrupt file warning

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jay, i love tenacity. I gave up and moved to Apple.

I never give up.. Besides, it's not so bad.. REDCine will be out in 3 or 4 days... I'm cool.

Jay

[Jay A. Kelley]

There's something wrong.. I am showing a 16meg file on download, but only getting 8 megs before it says Download complete.

When I try to open, I get "The Compressed (zipped) folder is invalid or corrupted.

HELP!!

Jay

[SF Geek]

I got the same failure error. Operation not permitted.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Oh, that's not good...possibly bandwidth was blown on the site?

[Rich Schaefer]

My "decompression failed" Also?

[Greg M]

HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Where do I send the check?

[Jay A. Kelley]

That's my guess

[Hans von Sonntag]

Even my Mac can't download. :)

Hans

[David Battistella]

My "decompression failed" Also?


Had this but got it again after a few tries...

Have it now.
David

[Jay A. Kelley]

Well then Hans, it MUST be them!

:)

Jay

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I Just booted my RED on B16!!! Wow it looks different!!

[Eric MacIver]

Decompression failed can be fixed by downloading with a good download manager. I just used iGetter and it worked fine...

[Hans von Sonntag]

You guys fight with illegal weapons - iGetter...

[David Battistella]

I Just booted my RED on B16!!! Wow it looks different!!

You did both upgrades and Black shading already!

That was fast!


David

[Rich Schaefer]

Got It, The third download was clean and worked!

[Miltos Pilalitos]

You did both upgrades already!

That was fast!


David



20 more seconds to finish the black shading...:usd:

[REDefine]

Thanks. Where are we to post about bugs, Jim?

Tico, talk of good things. With B16, we are already through most of problems. But if you still have some issues with functionality of this build, then start a thread in REDONE section. I hope you won't need that.

[Ivan G]

I'm getting a "decompression failed" error. Anyone else....?

[Michael Hastings]

I'm getting a "decompression failed" error. Anyone else....?

Me too 3 times trying number 4. (Macbook)

[Rick Darge]

Me tooooooo

[Daniel García]

Be careful people, the downloading frenzy is overloading the servers and the files are coming out trunkated or corrupted. I had to download the manual three times auntil it was readable.
Double check your files after download.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Wow! the blackshading took forever!!!! Don't worry if it takes more time after the counter ends... it's not crashed :-)

booting up the camera again...

[laguun]

Jay, i love tenacity. I gave up and moved to Apple.

if fcp suffices, osx is good, but for full online and/or max quality (be it 4K or redcode native via scratch / iridas speedgrade XR etc) one cant use osx so far, but needs windows and/or linux - this double os system mix will be one of the issues which will finally go away once the r16 redcode format and/or sdk are available.

Buit now back to celebrate R16 (and the overloaded red server :))

[NormLi]

I also get the decompression failed window! Can't download!!! :(

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Oh my god!!! The LCD image is amazing! The first thing i noticed when i booted B16 after the black shading! No more gradient banding...

[Álex Montoya]

Post som R3d's when you can.

[Ivan G]

I've must of tried 10 times already!!!

nevermind

I GOT IT TO WORK!

[Rob Lohman]

Relax guys, keep trying to get the download (but wait a bit in-between to lower the pressure on the servers!). Servers are simply overloaded and might drop a connection before the download is complete.

[Hans von Sonntag]

Armed myself with iGetter and got it!

Hans

[Antoine Fabi]

Heh heh... dont know why the servers are overloaded :)

Thanks to all of you at RED!

[Ben Holmes]

Love to hear what the 1080p output looks like...

[Bing Bailey]

clearing your web cache can also help. sometimes that causes half downloaded files when the cache is near full

[Steve Sherrick]

I'm about to find out tonight. I'll be running to TV Logic monitor. Should be interesting. I'll also be capturing the 1080P output to Kona 3 to test viability of that signal.

[Ben Holmes]

I'm about to find out tonight. I'll be running to TV Logic monitor. Should be interesting. I'll also be capturing the 1080P output to Kona 3 to test viability of that signal.

Fantastic - thanks Steve! You can try the 444 dual link output to the Kona 3, I think. Will be checking on Kona system and also my Multibridge Pro next week sometime.. Unfortunately my local RED has gone out on a hire and they don't want the upgrade yet...

Ben

[david farland]

Well done Red!!
.......off to play!!

D

[Michael Hastings]

Relax guys, keep trying to get the download (but wait a bit in-between to lower the pressure on the servers!). Servers are simply overloaded and might drop a connection before the download is complete.

got it to work with the iGetter software mentioned earlier.

[jbeale]

I see the 1080p output is a 2x downscale of 3840 pixel crop out of the 4096 frame, so the output is 93.75% of the 4k width. I can see why you'd implement that, a simple factor-of-two downscale makes things simple. But since the framing is a bit different from the 4k R3D, does the camera have frame guides to match the 3840 window that is output?

build_16_ops_guide_v3.1.2.pdf, p.53:

1080p: Video output is 1920 x 1080 pixels. For 4K RAW files the image width corresponds to 3,840 pixels scaled down to 1920 pixels, available on the HD Preview (HD-SDI only), HD Program (Dual Link HD-SDI), RED-EVF and RED-LCD outputs. The RED-EVF and RED-LCD will display a 1280 x 720 pixel center cut section out of the larger1920 x 1080 image.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Will we see the new RED ALERT too today?

[Greg M]

You guys never mentioned the neat EVF option to make adjustments on the fly with the big EVF knob...very sweet!!!

Shutter
Audio
ISO
etc

[Greg M]

Will we see the new RED ALERT too today?

hope soon, hard to compare looking at just the quicktimes

[David Battistella]

You guys never mentioned the neat EVF option to make adjustments on the fly with the big EVF knob...very sweet!!!

Shutter
Audio
ISO
etc

Where/How do we program the A B C and other body buttons?


David

[Alexander Nikishin]

:love: Thank you.

[Gianny Trutmann]

Will REDCINE also be upgraded soon for build16?

[Mike Seymour]

You guys never mentioned the neat EVF option to make adjustments on the fly with the big EVF knob...very sweet!!!

Shutter
Audio
ISO
etc

Yes this is significant, especially for audio. In earlier versions you could not adjust the levels while seeing the levels they were on different menu pages... now you can monitor and tweak while being hand held if need be.
Of course it is nice to be able to adjust a bunch of things from that button - but audio was very difficult before.

Mike

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Oh my god!!! The LCD image is amazing! The first thing i noticed when i booted B16 after the black shading! No more gradient banding...


Love the gray zone chart displayed on the side too :)

[David Battistella]

Where/How do we program the A B C and other body buttons?


David


Found it!

KEY MAP FUNCTION

PAGE 51 of the ops guide.

Let's customize some buttons folks!


David

[Kyle Mallory]

Correct, we'll have more news on supporting other platforms over the coming months

MONTHS??? OUCH!!!

[Rob Lohman]

RED Alert! will be out in the next few hours

kylemallory: *over* the coming months, we don't have the capacity to release everything at the same day

I'm not saying *until* a couple of months down the line. It will be spread out as stuff becomes ready.

[Peter Karlsson]

>RED Alert! will be out in the next few hours

Thank you Rob! All I wanted to know :)

[David Battistella]

RED Alert! will be out in the next few hours


great,

Can't wait to see some of the first shots I have recorded in REDSpace.

I am sure you are staggering this release based on the server overload.

Great work. Great news. Everything looks great so far.

Thanks to the whole team.

David

[Vinit Borrison]

no new version of redalert on support site

[Rob Lohman]

bint2k: ehm... check the last 3 posts above yours...

[Greg M]

Where/How do we program the A B C and other body buttons?


David

This is a bit different, there is a display on the left side of the EVF and LCD. When you push the large button on the EVF it brings up a row of buttons:
INT
CH1
CH2
SHU
VAR
ISO
OFF

You can select these options and quickly adjust them by simply rotating the EVF knob.

[Vinit Borrison]

bint2k: ehm... check the last 3 posts above yours...

funny - when i wrote that comment and hit post i had 3 pages of comments after jim's post. After it refreshed there was over 9 pages of comments ha

[Greg M]

Boot time average 1:14

[Miltos Pilalitos]

When we play the new B16 with Quicktime how does it do the debayering? Is it High Quality?

I also noticed that the new Qucktime plugin renders B15 clips differently now. Not only the white point but also the 'texture'...

Hmm can't wait for redalert now...

[Christian Berg]

any bug yet? how stable is 16? I have a shoot on monday, should i upgrade?

[Miltos Pilalitos]

any bug yet? how stable is 16? I have a shoot on monday, should i upgrade?

too soon to say for sure...

[theKGB]

Format a CF card using Build 15 v2.2.8 <-- is it just me or is the only other firmware available is v2.2.5 ?

[Joel Kaye]

Format a CF card using Build 15 v2.2.8 <-- is it just me or is the only other firmware available is v2.2.5 ?

2.2.8 is included when you download 16 Beta. It's probably an intermediary step required for the 16 upgrade to work.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

2.2.8 is part of the 2 step process to go into build 16. they've mentioned it before somewhere.

[theKGB]

Great thanks, happy to report that B16 is amazing, outside of the great new features and updates.. it made me at least 2 inches taller.

[Greg M]

didnt I read that B16 would allow CF cards to record 16:9 Redcode 36 or was I dreaming?

[Rob Lohman]

any bug yet? how stable is 16? I have a shoot on monday, should i upgrade?

it's a beta, not a release build

[Paris Remillard]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but will the new quicktime component support 16:9 proxies now from previous builds?

[Etienne sauret]

I had troubles downloading the files until I got a Firefox add on Called Downloadthemall. It worked on my first try after restarting Firefox.

[HD Hildebrand]

Anyone do a phantom power audio test?

[Miltos Pilalitos]

didnt I read that B16 would allow CF cards to record 16:9 Redcode 36 or was I dreaming?

i was under the same impression... :umm:

[Tony Bacak]

wowhhhhhhh.... going to corse with the new 16 beta build:)
updating was never easier - readme was superclear
redlove ahead
now shooting in the dark

[Jannard]

RED Alert! will post now. Sorry about that. We had a one bug to squash and it took more time than we thought it would.

Jim

[david farland]

Brent posted this on CML......

Support for 1080p 4:2:2 and RGB 4:4:4 playback of REDCODE RAW .R3D files.

Is the RGB 4:4:4 output now enabled via the dual link HD-SDI?

D

[Greg M]

Brent posted this on CML......

Support for 1080p 4:2:2 and RGB 4:4:4 playback of REDCODE RAW .R3D files.

Is the RGB 4:4:4 output now enabled via the dual link HD-SDI?

D

yes, they announced this here awhile back, it is only thru playback not live.

[Jason Wingrove]

RedCentre podcast -in depth 'Build 16' Episode coming in under 48 minutes...tick tock :-)

jas

[david farland]

They announced 1080p 4:2:2.

When did they announce 4:4:4?

D

[Greg M]

They announced 1080p 4:2:2.

When did they announce 4:4:4?

D

at the same time

[david farland]

you mean here....

The roadmap is single link HD-SDI 1080P at 4:2:2- true progressive and dual link HD-SDI 1080P 4:4:4 true progressive.....
Jim

I wasn't aware 4:4:4 would be enabled at the same time.

Red is this correct?

D

[Jimmy Shen]

Yes, 4:4:4 dual link is enabled.

[Greg M]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=230794&highlight=1080P#post230794

Jim posted this weeks ago:
Single link HD-SDI 1080P 4:2:2 will cost you $2.95. Dual link HD-SDI 1080P 4:4:4 will cost you $4.95. Make your checks out to:

Jim's Fiji Fund.

Looks like David failed to mail his check to Jim.

[Christian Edwards]

Sorry about that. We had a one bug to squash and it took more time than we thought it would.

Jim


Are you sure its not sony you're talking about ...

[Stuart English]

Didn't I read that B16 would allow CF cards to record 16:9 Redcode 36 or was I dreaming?

That was a comment made about the new RED custom 16GB CF card. Exact capabilities still being worked through.

[david farland]

Escargot....thanks

how can you tell whether it's using single or dual link?

D

[Stuart English]

how can you tell whether it's using single or dual link?

Read the new Operations Guide :wink:

[david farland]

Cheers....

Well done Stuart!!

[Jason Wingrove]

Hot off the presses, Epsode 8 - 'Build 16 special" of red centre is up on FXGuide & iTunes now.

In this week’s ep we finally talk about build 16 and explain both the immediate benefit of the new version and also explain some of the the theory behind the improvements. Plus News, Reviews and another victim in 'The Red Room'


Cheers
Jas & Mike



listen here:
http://www.fxguide.com/redcentre

or subscribe in itunes:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=277775280

[michael zaletel]

Arghhh! I'm out of town on business and my Red One is back at my studio all alone and practically starving to death subsisting on the evaporating water and disintegrating crumbs of build 15. Oh that I had "Back to My Mac" for my Red One so I could upgrade it remotely!

-shooter

[Steve Sherrick]

yes, they announced this here awhile back, it is only thru playback not live.

Greg, I almost didn't even know it was you posting with that new avatar.

Sorry, back on track.

Still trying to absorb all of the new stuff, but upgrade seems to have gone smoothly.

Thanks Jim!

[Michael Bach]

Just played 4K 2:1 out via the Dual link directly into Flame at 1080 25P 4:4:4

Its scaled!!!! Full 4K frame is seen at 1080.

Well done fella's

Cheers

Michael

[NormLi]

Nevermind...silly me.

[Rob Lohman]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but will the new quicktime component support 16:9 proxies now from previous builds?

Yes it does

[Pawel Achtel]

Are you sure its not sony you're talking about ...

That's funny. LOL :biggrin:

[SF Geek]

I just upgraded to B16 today and there are a few things I would like to see. In false color mode can the greyscale on the side be replaced by a color IRE value chart. Brightest value color on top. Darkest color value on the bottom. I would also like the opportunity to have false color as well as edge highlight for focus. As of now I have to switch between the two in a long menu setting process. I like the scroll wheel menu with the viewfinder. I would like an added selectable item to scroll through view modes, rec 709, redspace, linear.

One thing i noticed with B16 is my viewfinder doesn't strobe, which is great, but it doesn't have the range it had. Highlights look weird and the top three-four white values in the vertical greyscale are indistinguishable along with the bottom two values. The LCD looks great. Too bad the EVF looks worse. I tried adjusting the dark detail but anything above 2% doesn't make a difference and if you go below 2% the image doesn't get any more lattitude, it just looks washed out.

[Stuart English]

One thing i noticed with B16 is my viewfinder doesn't strobe, which is great, but it doesn't have the range it had. Highlights look weird and the top three-four white values in the vertical greyscale are indistinguishable along with the bottom two values. The LCD looks great. Too bad the EVF looks worse. I tried adjusting the dark detail but anything above 2% doesn't make a difference and if you go below 2% the image doesn't get any more lattitude, it just looks washed out.

Thats two things - first the default was changed from SYNC to FIXED refresh, and the second is a bug in Beta B16 where the camera can send the wrong gamma setting to the RED-EVF at boot up. That's being addressed right now.

[Andrew M.]

Just played 4K 2:1 out via the Dual link directly into Flame at 1080 25P 4:4:4

Its scaled!!!! Full 4K frame is seen at 1080.

Well done fella's

Cheers

Michael

Which QT proxy is used to play 1080p via dual link?
_M or _F or something else?

[Ben Holmes]

Which QT proxy is used to play 1080p via dual link?
_M or _F or something else?

I would imagine the camera is referencing the r3d file, not the proxy?

[Philip Powell]

If I understand what I'm reading on the download page of the Red web site, Log and Transfer is not supported yet for build 16 beta, is that correct? Thanks.

[Kjetil Haugen]

Thats two things - first the default was changed from SYNC to FIXED refresh, and the second is a bug in Beta B16 where the camera can send the wrong gamma setting to the RED-EVF at boot up. That's being addressed right now.

Would waiting to plug in the evf until after boot up help for now? You said "CAN send the wrong gamma" so I assume it doesnt happen always... Dont know since I havnt tried B16 yet. Installing tonight. Been waiting for Redline and now it's here :)

[Stuart English]

Would waiting to plug in the evf until after boot up help for now? You said "CAN send the wrong gamma" so I assume it doesnt happen always... Dont know since I havnt tried B16 yet. Installing tonight. Been waiting for Redline and now it's here :)

Maybe. It should be resolved in the next version of Beta Build 16 anyway.

[SF Geek]

Got an ETA on that new build? Wink wink.

I reiterate. Please do the color values in place of the greyscale when in false color mode. Also, add a view tab for quick change of redspace, rec 709, linear, to the viewfinder speed menu thing. Does it have a name yet?

[Kjetil Haugen]

Just installed build 16 and it's like you guys said. I totally new camera. So many great new things that make all the difference. And once you've had a taste of REDspace along with reading raw for absolute safety you know you can't live without it.

[Greg M]

Would waiting to plug in the evf until after boot up help for now? You said "CAN send the wrong gamma" so I assume it doesnt happen always... Dont know since I havnt tried B16 yet. Installing tonight. Been waiting for Redline and now it's here :)

For us this only happens intermittently, a reboot solves the problem.

[Greg M]

Also, add a view tab for quick change of redspace, rec 709, linear, to the viewfinder speed menu thing. Does it have a name yet?

+1
this would be a big help.

[Nils Ruinet]

Yes, it would be awesome to assign one of the customisable keys to toggle quickly between Redspace and RAW view (and perhaps false color mode). Or maybe even between different looks...

[Milan Nikolic]

OK, when build 16 is going to be released build or come out of beta phase?

[Damien Molineaux]

Yes, it would be awesome to assign one of the customisable keys to toggle quickly between Redspace and RAW view (and perhaps false color mode). Or maybe even between different looks...

You can do that already by assigning raw view to a key. But maybe you mean toggle between REC709, RedSpace AND RawView, that can't be done, yet.

You can also assign a key to color mode, which ever one you want (False Color, Edge Highlight or B&W) and then use that to toggle between that and your default mode.

Cheers,
Damien

[zak forrest]

It would be great if one key just CYCLED between RAW, REC, and SPACE. And another key cycled between COLOR, HIGHLIGHT, and B+W

Another option would let you select/de-select what you wanted each key to cycle from, for instance if you never wanted B+W, and just wanted to toggle between FALSE COLOR and EDGE HIGHLIGHT.

The final press of each of these CYCLE buttons would just bring you back to normal view of course, before the cycle began again.

This seems like the best solution to me. I hate going into menus and checking things off.

We should also be able to not only TURN OFF SIDE RECORD, but change the side record button into a USER assignable button.

If people really just want one button to do one thing, they can just DESELECT the other cycling modes and then it would be like the old fashioned way again, where you press the button to go to one mode and then press it again to revert back to normal viewing..

[Luis Otero]

I was using the beta B16, and the machine does not recognize the 3.2.5, hence no upgrade is achieved. Any pointers? :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

Thanks!