Call for delivery...

[Jannard]

We will be sending out an email to customers #1-500 shortly.

Basically, it says that if you are a reservation holder in this serial number range, you have until August 1st (this year) to make the decision whether to pay the balance and take delivery or get your deposit refunded and lose your position in line.

We feel very strongly that we have listened to the community and have been very fair about this. The RED ONE, with Build 16, now exceeds almost every expectation and is suitable to be called a "production camera". By August 1st, the SDK will have been released to the community and REDCINE and RED Alert! will be "Release Versions".

We need to know who is in and who is out so we can better plan our production schedule.

After we have finished with #1-500, we will then look to #501-1000... and so on.

We appreciate everyone's patience and continue to look forward to delivering "surprise capbilities" for the RED ONE going forward.

Jim

[Frank Weeks]

That sounds fair.

[laguun]

good policy - and good to know about 1.8. for the SDK.
Will be to the redcode fileformat be documented before the SDK? Iridas, cineform etc probably dont need the SDK, the fileformat would suffice them.

[Jason Ing]

I'm surprised there's still people in the 100's who haven't taken delivery.

[David Birdy]

Anyone in that group that would like to trade reservations for a reservation in the low 3000 Please PM me!

Jim,
I'm not sure if this is Kosher with you, but I really would like to have a camera or TWO Now and this may serve both owners...

Thanks
Dave

[Jay A. Kelley]

good policy - and good to know about 1.8. for the SDK.
Will be to the redcode fileformat be documented before the SDK? Iridas, cineform etc probably dont need the SDK, the fileformat would suffice them.

what are you talking about here Laguun? I have not seen this post

Jay

[Jannard]

Anyone in that group that would like to trade reservations for a reservation in the low 3000 Please PM me!

Jim,
I'm not sure if this is Kosher with you, but I really would like to have a camera or TWO Now and this may serve both owners...

Thanks
Dave

I think that you would be disappointed if someone in the 4000s jumped in front of you with a trade like that... ?

Jim

[Jannard]

Seems like some confusion here... the SDK will be out well before August 1st. The call for delivery gives everyone enough time AFTER the SDK is released to make a decision.

BTW, we are shooting for "weeks" not "months" on the SDK.

Jim

[Jay A. Kelley]

Ohhhhhh.. Thanks Jim. 1.8 was the DATE... Those damn people from Berlin write the date backwards!!! :)

I get it now... And then Jim comes back with "Sooner than Aug 1st" Good to know.

I'm not too slow... Am I?

:)

Just messing with you Laguun

Jay

[David Birdy]

Jim,

I see your point yes I would.. and yes you are very fair....I just thought it would serve both owners if someone is not ready and I am....

Please feel free to delete my post if you are not on board with this...and as alway this post is with all due respect to you & the RED team!

You guys are Rocking the world of Ultra-High Def!!

Dave

[David Wilson]

Thank you very much Jim, very happy to hear this.

[Jason Diamond]

anyone who hasnt gotten around to getting their camera with a serial number 1-500 might have fallen asleep and have a white beard.
RED Van Winkle i think.

[Martin Weiss]

Might be an idea to e-mail this message to all reservation holders up to -2000. I guess not everyone is reading all Reduser.net messages.

Might help to calm down some firey souls down the line. :)

[Jannard]

We'll try to go in an orderly fashion so we don't disrupt the current group scheduled for delivery... :-)

Jim

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

We'll try to go in an orderly fashion so we don't disrupt the current group scheduled for delivery... :-)

Jim
OH..Thanks

[Yannick Sadler]

the SDK will be out well before August 1st. The call for delivery gives everyone enough time AFTER the SDK is released to make a decision.

Any chance we can get a peek at the SDK (preliminary) documentation before you release the code? or is it to much trouble or not enough mature yet?

[Cory Schulthies]

Seems like some confusion here... the SDK will be out well before August 1st. The call for delivery gives everyone enough time AFTER the SDK is released to make a decision.

BTW, we are shooting for "weeks" not "months" on the SDK.

Jim

What programming language do you recommend using with the SDK? I mean, what do you use? Whatever language it is, Id like to pick it up before the sdk is out. Something tells me its not java.
My guesses would be C, C++, or C#, for speed.

will the SDK have APIs that will let us interface with the camera directly, or just the footage?

Looking forward to the SDK, keep up the good work.

[Keith Nealy]

Jim, as soon as you can give us an estimation on the release new version of REDcine it would be appreciated. As a PC workflow guy, I am hesitant to upgrade to B16 until I have a way to process the files.

First it was rumored to be the end of this week, then next week, now with the SDK "in weeks", etc. No pressure, just antsy to boot up B16.

Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication. It is much appreciated and admired.

aloha,

Keith

[Deanan]

What programming language do you recommend using with the SDK? I mean, what do you use?

C++...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

It's strange that there are people still hesitating.

Even if they don't want\need the camera (:huh:), they can make a nice profit by taking possesion and reselling it to people with no res. number (or a high one), who need it ASAP.

The proper way, IMHO.

[DanWood]

It's strange that there are people still hesitating.


There is no reason for any hesitation at this point.
The only question is:
Do you want a 35mm PL mount camera or not ?
If you do, you have no choice other than RED in the market now.

1/2" 1080p SONY EX1 and 720p 2/3" Panasonic HVX500 are the only ones near $17K. Who wants those?

[Uli Plank]

Both are nice cameras – but for very different fields of work…

Regards,

Uli

[Lewis-M Soucy]

That's the most scary RECON ever!!! :biggrin:

[David M]

We will be sending out an email to customers #1-500 shortly.

Basically, it says that if you are a reservation holder in this serial number range, you have until August 1st (this year) to make the decision whether to pay the balance and take delivery or get your deposit refunded and lose your position in line.

We feel very strongly that we have listened to the community and have been very fair about this. The RED ONE, with Build 16, now exceeds almost every expectation and is suitable to be called a "production camera". By August 1st, the SDK will have been released to the community and REDCINE and RED Alert! will be "Release Versions".

We need to know who is in and who is out so we can better plan our production schedule.

After we have finished with #1-500, we will then look to #501-1000... and so on.

We appreciate everyone's patience and continue to look forward to delivering "surprise capbilities" for the RED ONE going forward.

Jim
But hold on, according to your Avatar thingie you're RED #1.
What are you going to do, pay the balance, or ask for a refund?:biggrin:
That's the real test.

But have you been holding out on us?
According to this article (http://www.nysun.com/arts/new-camera-poised-to-alter-filmmaking/80357/), you've shipped over 5,000 cameras so far.

[David Birdy]

But hold on, according to your Avatar thingie you're RED #1.
What are you going to do, pay the balance, or ask for a refund?:biggrin:
That's the real test.

But have you been holding out on us?
According to this article (http://www.nysun.com/arts/new-camera-poised-to-alter-filmmaking/80357/), you've shipped over 5,000 cameras so far.

Thanks for posting the article, with all due respect:

I very much doubt that Jim is holding out on anyone...He is a guy that plays by the rules and I think his employees will verify that. The author probably misunderstood or intended to say over 5,000.00 ordered.

Dave

[Esteban Sosnitsky]

WHAT???
People in that range havent taken delivery yet????
c'mon!

Still patiently waiting...

[Harva Raj]

was 'WANTED' movie entirely shot on red or just parts of it? like vfx shots, slowmo or such?

[Ryan Erwin]

We will be sending out an email to customers #1-500 shortly.

FYI, Delivery of this email is complete. If you've got Serial #1 - #500 and you haven't taken delivery yet, this note should be in your Inbox.

[paolomerlini]

It is, as always, very fair from you, Jim....

When the list for the EPIC will open??

Cheers

Paolo

[Noah Kadner]

There is no reason for any hesitation at this point.
The only question is:
Do you want a 35mm PL mount camera or not ?
If you do, you have no choice other than RED in the market now.

1/2" 1080p SONY EX1 and 720p 2/3" Panasonic HVX500 are the only ones near $17K. Who wants those?

Not exactly- there's the SI2K, the Viper, etc. RED is great but it's uniqueness is in resolution and price point- not the camera mount.

Noah

[sparkhope]

was 'WANTED' movie entirely shot on red or just parts of it? like vfx shots, slowmo or such?

I believe vfx shots where done with red and film (in tandem). Once edited however, the red shots were not included in the final print.

correct me if I'm wrong (as if I have to ask;)

[Jannard]

RED was on the "Wanted" set last summer to "see how it would do". The RED ONE prototype (several months before our 1st shipment) was shot sparingly but in several different setups. Everyone seemed very happy with the footage. In fact, Timur bought a RED camera (and paid for it and took delivery when his number came up). So did Jon Farhat (VFX supervisor). At that time the workflow was not smooth with their Avid system and I suspect that integrating some token RED footage would have been a courtesy they did not have time for. This is entirely speculation on my part. Maybe they couldn't find an appropriate "add film grain" filter? :-)

I am anxious to see the movie. It looked like it would be very interesting. They had a great DP (Mitch Amundsen), great talent and Timur has a very unusual vision that I think will translate wonderfully to the final cut. We had a terrific time learning on this set and the 1st AC (Todd Schlopy) gave us tremendous guidance on setting our camera up and features we needed to add.

We looked at this movie as an opportunity to learn and prove that the footage could stand up next to film. I think everyone on the set will agree we succeeded. Several members of the "Wanted" crew, in addition to Timur and Farhat, ordered cameras.

Jim

[Johann Schulz]

I think "Wanted" is old news, really. Look at the new res! (Days old? :>))We're looking at tomorrow, which ain't really far away. But of course, RED's got to show what's been done with it, which surprisingly should be more at this point. But not really. Big tickets are so annoying! Just ask David! (Goliath....)

I absolutely don't want to be on the "hold on a bit until I find my dough" list, but if I do have to postpone my delivery, at #3327, are you looking at lesser leeways? I'm having an affair with this camera and site for sure, and my previous posts, one on top of the other, are hopefully less rediculous than the last, and I thank everyone for their silence, but I wouldn't mind some fixed date like, well, you've got six months, bro, and then you're bumped. DECIDE!

I can live with that. Look what's happened in the last two months with this product!

First, sensors went wacky. Then pyramids were built by CaliAliens, and everything fell into place. Congrats on all your pros, RED TEAM, but if I hit a con, how long do I get to make it right? I do so much want to partake, my friends.... ...I'll keep a positive attitude, but all else is subject to change....

[Tony Lorentzen]

C++...


While we're at it (sorry for the offtopic question) - will there be a way to plug into the SDK in the .NET framework, Deanan?

[David M]

Thanks for posting the article, with all due respect:

I very much doubt that Jim is holding out on anyone...He is a guy that plays by the rules and I think his employees will verify that. The author probably misunderstood or intended to say over 5,000.00 ordered.

Dave

Hey lighten up Arethra! I'm only being a smartass, respect was neither expected nor considered desirable:biggrin:

[Jeff Kilgroe]

While we're at it (sorry for the offtopic question) - will there be a way to plug into the SDK in the .NET framework, Deanan?

I would assume there will be libraries that can be linked to from any language that can support C++ style calling / linking conventions. I see no reason why it couldn't be integrated with .NET... If you really feel the need to do so.

[DanWood]

Not exactly- there's the SI2K, the Viper, etc. RED is great but it's uniqueness is in resolution and price point- not the camera mount.

Noah

SI2K and Viper etc are still prototypes. They do not have the funding or organizational skill or business savvy of Jim. So, they will be short blimps in the evolution of Digital cameras. RED has taken off and for all practical purposes killed off all the competition in the filed of 35 mm PL mount camera. Panasonic executive told me that HVX500 are not selling. Sony had trouble selling EX1 ; so they brought out EX3. Ex3 is not selling well either.
The answer to all this is RED at $17K.

Sony and Panasonic will continue to make consumer cameras. But, their movie camera business is practically folded.
By 2010, all Hollywood movies will be made on RED. That is MHO.

[Stephen Williams]

Sony had trouble selling EX1 ;.

Hi,

Well there are more EX1's on Switzerland than Red Ones at this moment in time.

Stephen

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Sony and Panasonic will continue to make consumer cameras. But, their movie camera business is practically folded.
By 2010, all Hollywood movies will be made on RED. That is MHO.[/QUOTE]

.....
all movies is too optimistic...
i guess a lot of the 1 mil. to 20 mil. features will be shot digitally.
and i think it will be epic rather then red in 2010.
but could be totally different, because 2 years in the world are around 6 red years...:)

[Jan Reiff]

sony ex1 was sold out in germany.
i think it´s a bestseller indeed.

and an awesome camera (in this prize range)


but however, i want finally my red ... please let june end ...

[Cüneyt Kaya]

sony ex1 was sold out in germany.
i think it´s a bestseller indeed.

and an awesome camera (in this prize range)


but however, i want finally my red ... please let june end ...

ex1 is really popular in my experience too.
but i want my red .....................hope hope hope for july

[David Birdy]

Hey lighten up Arethra! I'm only being a smartass, respect was neither expected nor considered desirable:biggrin:


No worries... I understand your sarcasm Now!

No harm No foul! Have a great day !

Yes Kaya......... I want my RED's also!!! I heard you may have some good beer over in Berlin, any favorites?

Cheers
Dave

[Barry Gregg]

I have shot shorts with both the EX-1 and the Red. The EX-1 is a great camera and the image is very clean. The Red pounds the EX-1 into the ground. Sorry Sony.

[Uli Plank]

Sorry to contradict here, but there are situations where I'd rather use an EX-1, every camera has it's own playground. I'd never sell the EX-1 only because we have our Red One now.

The EX-1 leaves the Pana HVX-2xx in the dust, and Red many of the high-end competitors.

Regards,

Uli

[Stephen Williams]

Sorry to contradict here, but there are situations where I'd rather use an EX-1, every camera has it's own playground. I'd never sell the EX-1 only because we have our Red One now.

The EX-1 leaves the Pana HVX-2xx in the dust, and Red many of the high-end competitors.

Regards,

Uli

Hi,

That is where Scarlet comes in to play.

Stephen

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Yes Kaya......... I want my RED's also!!! I heard you may have some good beer over in Berlin, any favorites?

Cheers
Dave

berliner pilsner..
schultheiss...for the ultra cheap drinking alcoholics
berliner kindl

[David Birdy]

Pilsner is also my favorite style of beer.. I'll look for Berliner here in the states and we'll have a toast when you & I get our cameras!

Cheers
Dave

[cckid]

sorry for my lack of info...for what does the SDK stands for...what does it mean?

[Greg M]

Software Developers Kit

[Jeff Kilgroe]

That is where Scarlet comes in to play.

Agreed, but we can't buy one yet. I think Scarlet is going to rule the $3500 and up "prosumer" market. The one advantage that many other 2/3" cameras are going to have over Scarlet will be interchangeable lenses or lenses with greater zoom range. Scarlet is only going to have a fixed 8X zoom. I'm sure there will be wide and tele adapters, but each probably introduces some light loss.

[Johann Schulz]

And so...

"A production camera with release versions of RED CINE and Red Alert". Now it's on the shelf!

I've been waiting 5 months for my camera. I'm a one-dude operation in an outpost called Taiwan. My wife is pressuring me to invest in a Bali Villa while we wait, 'cause it'll generate some revenue. I always talk too much, drink too much and have great times at parties.

My question is, by the time you get to 3000, will there be a "buy now" button only? (Though you mention, "...then we will look at #'s...).

You're sending out the call for the first 500, but you haven't delivered the first 2000. (This is also a strong indicator of how good build 16 must be!).

But is production really ramping up, or just a goal? Is EVERYTHING a go? ...because this call for delivery makes me very confident in RED products, but also a bit Timothy Leary about when my e-mail comes. I hope that by then I can (although you're groundbreaking), reach my audience without degrees in physics and computer science. HEY! Which one of you just said, "Buy a point and shoot!?" I'll get ya! ...Cause I want DOF, at least!

Second last Q: If you're really in a hole and want to shoot RED, could you transfer your RED ONE deposit into an upcoming Scarlet account?

Lastly: are the new Korean "Scarlet" LCD TV's a copyright infringement? ;>)

[Yannick Sadler]

1. You can see the delivery status and expect delivery dates on the following page:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7464

It's updated regulary.

2. As of now, from discussions on this board, the answer is no.

3. Can't answer that.

[Johann Schulz]

Thanks, Spoutnik, I actually didn't know that 3327 may arrive for my BD at the end of September! ; > )

However, my point was, actually, at that point, can we still have a period of grace before having to commit full funds and take possession? Can we defer our prize for some (?) time? Or as a running production model, is this more than generous unthinkably wonderful nod to the little guy gone?

That's my west-side question.

[Yannick Sadler]

Maybe this other thread will help you out.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14936

[Johann Schulz]

Yes, that helps in killing the cross-camera downpayment links. They're obviously separate entities. BTW, I want my RED ONE like I want my high school sweetheart! And I keep waiting....

[Brian Critchlow]

God I hope all of the 1-500 non-committers drop out so we can get our 2000-2025 shipment sooner.
The one thing that really drags me down is the reservation for accessories based on body number. Accessories should have their own reservation list, first money in = first shipment out :P
Yah, its been said, but still....

[Yannick Sadler]

I could be mistaken but I think the priority order is from the shipping date of the camera. So a 500's who would finaly buy now will go after a 1000's who paid in full and got their camera shipped 2 months ago.

[Martin Weiss]

You are right, it is the shipping date of your camera that determines you queue position.

[Rodrigo Lizana]

It's strange that there are people still hesitating.
Even if they don't want\need the camera (:huh:), they can make a nice profit by taking possesion and reselling it to people with no res. number (or a high one), who need it ASAP. The proper way, IMHO.

Well I´m one of those people but I´m not hesitating. I don´t want my deposit back neither want to sell it at a higher price to make a couple of thousands out of a desperate guy. It´s just not my business. I just want to be able to offer a rock solid, 100% stable camera for rent but I feel (from the users opinions) that the camera is not there yet.

I bought an ultraprime lens set specially for this camera (if that serves as a proof of commitment).

To be honest, I don´t want to be a beta tester, I don´t want to learn the workarounds for the problems I just want a stable camera (I´m sure that´s going to happen soon and I´m not in a hurry) before sending the rest of the money. So yes, I rather wait and I think it´s only fair to keep the position in line until the camera performs flawlessly.

Best regards

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Heh, keep waiting if you feel it necessary. In the mean time, you can send me those ultra primes and I'll take care of them for you, test them out on my camera, etc.. :)

Seriously, I understand your feelings. I know a couple people who are hesitating for the same reasons. The term "beta" just scares them, as do the little bugs that pop up with each new firmware build. Those of us who currently own the camera have to take it in stride and accept the eccentricities as the camera develops. But I think that's why Jim is giving everyone fair warning that the day of the camera no longer being "beta" is rapidly approaching. I don't think RED will force anyone to arrange delivery until the camera is upgraded from beta to release status.

[Shawn Booth]

Something else to point out I feel is the number of cameras reporting errors or problems versus the number of cameras out there AND the number of cameras NOT reporting errors.

I think the errors are losing the battle - especially with the RED team so on top of it that a new build is days away already.