Collaborative Effort Anyone?

[Shawn Booth]

Anyone want to try an experiment?

Come up with a story idea, kick it around amongst those interested until there's a shootable (good) script. I'm thinking a five minute short.

Script is shot by whoever wants to shoot it (Same script for everyone). Maybe some can pass on the footage to others to edit, color correct, etc.

Shorts are posted and notes given. Then they're posted for the world to watch.

I'm not quite sure what I'm after here but I feel that with this community and today's technology - collaboration on a short project could prove beneficial, or at least fun.

Thoughts?

[Curran Giddens]

Interesting idea. I like it....

I don't have anything to contribute at the moment though.

[Michael "Dorkman" Scott]

I've tried that before. Usually doesn't get past the script when that part's "collaborative".

My suggestion is to have the script written independently. Make that a "competition" if you like, vote on the script, and the one that wins the vote is the one everyone shoots.

Too much input into a script and it'll never get done.

If you decide to go forward with it, I might be down to play depending on my schedule.

[Shawn Booth]

So, DorkmanScott, you're suggesting everyone submit scripts, they're voted on and then narrowed to one? I'm down for that, but not looking forward to tons of scripts. I see your points though and agree.

Another option is everyone suggests/votes on a theme/topic/basic plot/genre etc. and then go from there.

Or perimeters to be met? (Like with most 48 hour projects)

[Shawn Booth]

Anyone have any short scripts?

[Rick Darge]

Shawn, I suggest something better.

I did this back in my DVXuser days..

Someone make a short that has no 3rd act.. Another user picks up where they left of and continues.. and so on and so forth

[liquidigital]

Shawn, what kind of story/ genre are you looking for? I'd be willing to write something and can email you a sample spec. I also have access to some credited actors.

Best, Mike

[Harva Raj]

because we have access to the same set of tool, we could shoot a story thats happening all around the world. my suggestion would be a story based around a pet, like a dog, somehow gone missing from it's home in NY and 'somehow' ends up in UK, then Australia, then berlin and so on. for continuity purpose we can 'ship' the pet to the shooting country.



it would be a great phenomena , and news worthy project. if we named the pet as, say, ROCKY , it would be known as 'The ROCKY Phenomena'. each and every country can 'excerpt' their traditional values and living styles, and how they treat a lost animal (or something like that). It would be a great stepping stone for young directors too (who own RED). you can say that "i did the Berlin or Hong Kong's part of the 'Rocky Phenomena'.


that said, lets 'invent' a new kind of filmmaking. international collaborative filmmaking. One Camera, One Story in One Planet.

[Shawn Booth]

Shawn, what kind of story/ genre are you looking for? I'd be willing to write something and can email you a sample spec. I also have access to some credited actors.

Best, Mike

If I were to pick something, it would be more thriller/suspense. I've been working on a short about a man trapped in his house by his own paranoia... so we think.

Mostly, I'm stuck with a broken hand right now. I just want to do something. Plus, if we can all work on this together somehow, should be really fun.

[Shawn Booth]

because we have access to the same set of tool, we could shoot a story thats happening all around the world. my suggestion would be a story based around a pet, like a dog, somehow gone missing from it's home in NY and 'somehow' ends up in UK, then Australia, then berlin and so on. for continuity purpose we can 'ship' the pet to the shooting country.
it would be a great phenomena , and news worthy project. if we named the pet as, say, ROCKY , it would be known as 'The ROCKY Phenomena'. each and every country can 'excerpt' their traditional values and living styles, and how they treat a lost animal (or something like that). It would be a great stepping stone for young directors too (who own RED). you can say that "i did the Berlin or Hong Kong's part of the 'Rocky Phenomena'.
that said, lets 'invent' a new kind of filmmaking. international collaborative filmmaking. One Camera, One Story in One Planet.

I don't want to ship an animal around the world.

If anything, someone should go to a shelter, adopt a dog/cat, post its pic and then those who want to participate can go and adopt a look-a-like.

[Tom Lowe]

Easiest thing would be a 5- or 10-minute non-narrative short, like Baraka. All visual. We've got people all over the world. All you need to do is pick a piece of music and a theme.

[Shawn Booth]

very true.

I was thinking this short would be limited to 5 min anyhow.

Hell, take it further Tom. We start say here in Hawai'i since I started this. I film/edit a "Baraka" style piece and send it off to the next person who adds their chapter and so forth and so on. The project makes it around the world and becomes a RED World DVD.

This could work as well. Anyone else like?

[Tom Lowe]

Yeah, but you need music, baby. :)

[Shawn Booth]

Of course - each person would be responsible for their own piece of music.

[Peter Majtan]

Dibs on Mexican pre-hispanic architecture...

Palenke, Chichenitza and many other sites are car-drive from my place...
Olmeca's are walking distance...

[Paul Hazlett]

hereis a twist, I think

Have the same script but different scenes shot by different people

[Peter Majtan]

I could see each person contributing 2~5 min set to a piece of music of his choice, that could amount to full-length feature "ala Baraka" or "Paris - Te Amo". We will need two things (off my head):

A) A producer/administrator who would deal with all the rights and coordination, etc... He/She could also represent the project to the market, so ideally someone with experience and/or good connections...

B) Post facility that would assemble the final piece to a distribution format and coordinate with all the individual creators about final touches...

I would love to contribute by offering the B, free of charge of course. In my business plan I have always allocated % of our production capacity for such a projects. It would be honor to do this and a use the "above-the-line" approach (evolution of the off-line / on-line mastering designed for collaboration between artist in different physical locations via internet...).

[Harva Raj]

music is not always the problem, i know tones on fantastic royalty free orchestra scores all around the web, you can get it for as low as USD 14. editing music to the video is another thing. that involves a creative process. But we are not short of music pieces here.

[Tom Lowe]

You might not need a post facility. It's just for fun. Just have people encode their contributions as 1080p JPEG2000 files or Photo JPEG 90% or whatever, and upload them to a server, like redrelay.

Then various people can take a crack at editing pieces, and you can see who has the most editing skill.

I think you kind of need a theme, though. A theme and some nice music. Find an epic 10-minute song and let everyone contribute 20 seconds of footage, for example.

[Joe D'Arcy]

This concept has a lot of potential. However, IMHO the soundtrack would ideally come from one source or be composed or put together by one person so that the music can have a through line through the film with a series of builds, a crescendo and a rest.

[Shawn Booth]

All are great suggestions. I was leaning more towards a narrative thing though. Same script, different filmmakers/ POVs.

[Joel Kaye]

All are great suggestions. I was leaning more towards a narrative thing though. Same script, different filmmakers/ POVs.

I kinda like that idea too. I've always thought it would be interesting to hand the same script to top directors and see how different the movies they create were. Very different I'd assume.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'd be in for a short film project. What my preference would be is for everyone participating to download the same script for a short 3 to 5 minutes in length. Everyone shoots, edits, delivers their own version. Could make for some good times and a lot of laughs.

As for the other collaborative effort where everyone contributes to the same project... That has merit and is interesting too. I guess I'd be in for that as well. Needs a theme to work off of. I want to agree with bodhi in regards to the soundtrack, however I don't see how that approach would be possible without cycling a recurring audio loop. There would be no way of knowing just how such a project would evolve and take shape and how long it would ultimately be. Or maybe I'm too tired tonight and I'm overlooking something.

[Harva Raj]

as i did some audio and music works before,i do have some suggestion for the background score.

this site is one of the top,

http://shockwave-sound.com/genre/select/36.html

and the these are their terms and conditions.

http://shockwave-sound.com/license.html


the reason i suggest this site from tons of others is because it gives and option for the length of the cinematic piece. you can have a 3 or 2 minute (long) version or 60 or 30 second (short) version of the same music. it gives us the flexibility in the post when we editing the footage.

[liquidigital]

I'd be in for a short film project. What my preference would be is for everyone participating to download the same script for a short 3 to 5 minutes in length. Everyone shoots, edits, delivers their own version.


I could write a 5 minute narrative short, drama or crime, to be filmed from differing perspectives. Or a couple of shorts, if you want some flexibility to choose.

Once filmed, Redusers could vote on the best versions, then we could host a film out and have a screening in either LA or NY.

Cheers, Mike

[MikeHedge]

count me in.

[John Logan]

I've got a couple scripts if anyone wants to take a look...

and perhaps more importantly, a very modest budget for at least one of them...

[Shawn Booth]

Logan -
If you'd like to shoot over a script or two, please do.

I've been talking with Mike (liquidigital) about this as well. I'm flexible as to wether the decision is one script or a couple for people to choose from. Perhaps what is needed (for the narrative short) is one ultra low budget concept and one that could command an actual budget.

I'd like to see multiple visions of the same story from around the world/ RED community. Once we have the script(s), final cuts should be fin in a short but reasonable amount of time and posted/ voted on. Then a film out and screening in both NYC/ LA would be great.

Perhaps a prize/ entry fee?

Well, let's read some stories!

[Peter Majtan]

What about screening outside of LA/NYC (in fact the USA)? Maybe not all would be able to attend (unless Jim was hosting it :D )...

[Shawn Booth]

Good point, thought of it as well. I know getting prints made and screened in LA is possible based on my relationships there.

If someone wants to "help" with prints and screenings in other countries - PLEASE.

Another idea would be the prints being circulated around the world for organized screenings.

[Hrvoje Simic]

Music would have to be composed for the movie, not acquired like a prop.

Keep this rolling. This idea has a huge potential. You can count me in.

[Shawn Booth]

Music - Let's look at this from the traditional filmmaking POV. For the most part, the composer scores to the story/film. So for this project, that should be the case.

I know the "stock music" option was being suggested in regards to the Baraka type movie but even then I feel music should come later and be COMPOSED.

So for this project, music should be composed, original and rights owned.

Also, anyone have suggestions for a name of the project? reduser film project? Can we use reduser or red in the title without impact to the company?

[Peter Majtan]

Do You think Jim would actually sue us for doing this?
I would like to see something coming out of the three letters along the lines of:

R - ound
E - arth
D - ream

or

R - ound-the-world
E - arth
D - ay

[Peter Majtan]

Imagine if we could all synchronize to shoot on the same day starting in NZ, following the Sun across the globe finishing in Honolulu! The 24-hr Magic Hour...

[Shawn Booth]

No, I don't think he would sue but I also don't want anything that could potentially be negative tarnishing the company that made this community happen. I don't want people thinking this project is related to RED just because we own and use their cameras. (Unless RED sponsored it, but that's not gonna happen. Hell, I'd rather see the RED team taking a well deserved week's vacation - everything stops for just a week.)

EDIT:
Imagine if we could all synchronize to shoot on the same day starting in NZ, following the Sun across the globe finishing in Honolulu! The 24-hr Magic Hour...

That would be an really awesome project - provided there was a theme. I think that can be rolled up into the "Baraka-type" idea.

[Peter Majtan]

Well - they could sponsor us AND take a vacation, as one does not exclude the other... :innocent:

Just kidding, but I would love to see a RED-carpet premiere of this with JJ&Co...

[Shawn Booth]

Please send scripts to:

shawn@r3dguerilla.com

[Joe D'Arcy]

One step at a time.

(1) Find a well written script (or two) and possibly vote on one or two.

(2) shoot the film

(3) access a venue

(4) roll out the red carpet.

(5) Go back to work.

So whos got a low budget script and where will they be viewed?

[Peter Majtan]

You seams to left out lot of 1.X's, 2.X's and (most importantly):

(4.1) celebrate
(4.2) recover from the hangover
(4.3) ask the girl in Your bed what is her name
(4.4) lodge a "stolen car report"
.
.
.
(4.9) Consider doing it all over again from (1) before going to (5)

:w00t:

[Shawn Booth]

For now, I think to keep things simple and speedier that potential scripts be sent to me and then I'll post 3-5 of the best (IMO) for everyone to vote on.

Prints and LA venue, not a problem, but more on that later.

Right now, send those scripts. 5 min max.

[liquidigital]

Hey Shawn, okay, I'm working on my 5 minute script now. Kind of refreshing to only write 5 pages instead of 120. Not any easier, though. lol Soon as I finish, I'll send.

[Shawn Booth]

Can't wait!

BTW - It's probably harder to write a 5 page than 120 pager.

[Joe D'Arcy]

You seams to left out lot of 1.X's, 2.X's and (most importantly):

(4.1) celebrate
(4.2) recover from the hangover
(4.3) ask the girl in Your bed what is her name
(4.4) lodge a "stolen car report"
.
.
.
(4.9) Consider doing it all over again from (1) before going to (5)

:w00t:

Sorry, I missed the important steps once again. Thank you for the reminder.

[Shawn Booth]

Keep the scripts coming!!! Love it!!

[liquidigital]

Hey Shawn, once there's a couple sufficient scripts and rules are set, maybe we can ask Jarred to move the thread, so that more of the Redusers find it. Not sure how many venture down to the Off Topic? Glad you liked my script, btw. :)

[Shawn Booth]

If it were to be moved, I think it'd have to be moved to a new discussion entirely.
Rules do need to be set. Working on that and am completely open to suggestions.

I think after this one happens and the screening finishes, this will become a regular "event". I'd love to see how it evolves with prizes and what not.

[Shawn Booth]

Just waiting for a few more script entries before kicking this off.
Once there are a few more to pool from, I'll post a new thread to sign up so I can send scripts off to those who want to participate.

[Mike]

Sounds like fun. Hope to take part.

If we can make this a commercially interesting project, I can also release it in theatres as we are doing distribution in certain parts of the world too..

[Shawn Booth]

No scripts today?

How about suggestions for the project's name?

[Peter Majtan]

A - nother
R - ed
E - lement
S - study

ARES (in Greek mythology) is the God of:

GOD OF WAR & BATTLE
(Patron of: Warriors)

- such a project would be a battle to remember...


GOD OF WAR BOOTY
(Patron of: War booty)

- imagine what we are to gain! (And I am not talking $$$ here...)


GOD OF CITY DEFENSE
(Patron of: City defenses, City defenders)

- we will defend the RED city...


GOD OF CIVIL ORDER
(Patron of: City guards / police)

- we will work together


GOD OF ANGER & VIOLENCE
(Patron of: Rage; Violent deeds; Fights)

- turn our rage and negative energy into something positive...


GOD OF COURAGE & FEAR
(Patron of: Courage; Manliness)

- we will need to achieve this...

[liquidigital]

The Red Channel

Independent filmmakers unite to create and exhibit short films shot on RED digital cinema. (not an acronym obviously)


or



PROJECT C.I.F.E.R

Collaboration of Independent Filmmakers to Exhibit RED

[Peter Majtan]

The Red Channels sounds little XXX-ish, but I like the C.I.F.E.R...

[liquidigital]

It's funny, coming up with names or titles seem harder than doing the scripts themselves. I'm working on another short, just so there are a few more options if need be.

[Shawn Booth]

Project Cifer:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15862

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Looks like it's under-way... Will be interesting to see what scripts come up.

Also, you started the new thread in the footage / field tests area... That's fine, but I'm wondering if we should move it to the Cinematography forum section?

[Shawn Booth]

Sounds good Jeff.