Peter Jackson Shoots with Red!!!

[Manfred Lopez]

Does anyone have any additional details? What is the footage like?

[Yash Keough]

Yes yes! Inquiring minds want to know! :D I wonder how big the RED 4K screen is... *drools*

[JustinGD]

The screen is 16'X9' I believe.

[S. Um]

Peter Jackson is shooting a new movie with WWI airplanes, and this looks to be a nice little preview.

[Manfred Lopez]

EDIT: Sorry... double post. Something to do with the site being veeerrryyy slooow...

[Manfred Lopez]

Can someone please post cell phone snaps of how it all looks :wink:

I always judge 4k resolution through cell phone pics :tongue:

[jbeale]

According to Steve Gibby's article here http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/7959.html the Jackson footage showing at NAB will have been graded. I'm curious about who did the grade, what software was involved, and how much time it all took. (obviously not a great deal of time considering the shoot was only a few weeks ago.)

[Yash Keough]

Peter Jackson is shooting a new movie with WWI airplanes, and this looks to be a nice little preview.

Hmmm...now the question IS, will Jackson be using RED??? :D

[Manfred Lopez]

I wonder if they used Apple's new Color software to grade.

[Yash Keough]

I wonder if they used Apple's new Color software to grade.

Correct me if I'm wrong but unfortunately I think it's limited to 2K for the moment. Hopefully 4K will be supported soon though.

[Adrian Correia]

now TheThe, that is a great question.

[Andrew Benz]

Hey guys Lucas from Assimilate...

[Manfred Lopez]

Correct me if I'm wrong but unfortunately I think it's limited to 2K for the moment. Hopefully 4K will be supported soon though.

Yea, I think you are right. My guess they used Peter Jackson's Paplo system.

[Yash Keough]

Yea, I think you are right. My guess they used Peter Jackson's Paplo system.

Hmmm did a little search for it looks like this is it:

http://www.quantel.com/site/en.nsf/HTML/7207EF3A711E73FA802571ED0055F52F

[Manfred Lopez]

Doesn't Peter mean Pablo in Spanish? :biggrin:

[Yash Keough]

Hey did anyone look closely at the slate on the RED page? If you look below Peter Jackson's name you can make out the name "Richard Bluck". I did a search and IMDB turned up this:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0089459/

So apparently he's the second unit DP for King Kong and the LOTR trilogy! Should be sweet to see what the images look like with a guy like him on board! :bleh: :biggrin:

[Manfred Lopez]

Here's more. On the 'tentative shipping schedule' page it sez:

"Please note that the Peter Jackson/RED movie was shot with "Boris" and "Natasha" and NO feature was enabled except 4k REDCODE RAW recording to RED DRIVE. Monitoring was done with a 3rd party 720P LCD. The only button enabled was RUN/STOP."

[Kyle Presley]

Doesn't Peter mean Pablo in Spanish? :biggrin:
Pablo means Paul.

[feb31films]

If Jackson did the grade, then Pablo would've been used. If grading was done back at RED HQ, they probably used Scratch. If somebody out there at NAB gets a chance PLEASE ask about Apple's Color and how it will work with 4K Redcode! I'd ask both Red and Apple and see what kind of answers you get. Mike Curtis, I'm looking at you....:ninja:

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Peter means Pedro in spanish.

[Manfred Lopez]

Pablo means Paul.

I stand corrected. Would have been too funny.

[Jonathan Payne]

Will stills or clips of the footage make it to the RED site during or after NAB???

[jbeale]

If Jackson did the grade, then Pablo would've been used. [...]

Are you sure? Given that Jackson is testing RED, he is certainly keeping up to date with the technology. I wonder if he might be trying out newer software as well. On the other hand, for logistical & other reasons it seems likely to me this particular footage would be graded back home. This is sheer speculation on my part, though.

[Manfred Lopez]

Maybe the decision on how the footage was graded belonged to Richard Bluck. After all, it would be 'his' footage... technical-spec wise...

[Andrew Benz]

Hey guys Lucas from Assimilate...


Maybe the decision on how the footage was graded belonged to Richard Bluck. After all, it would be 'his' footage... technical-spec wise...
I am sure they have dup. footage to work with on their own, but for RED and the NAB demo all other RED footage has gone through Lucas and SCRATCH. Why would they change with a serious deadline looming? Look at the gear they use page on red.com...

hahaaha... sorry 'bout that thethe (though still bummed that you are the lead singer of thethe-lol-god they were awesome!) though it is now fixed....

[Manfred Lopez]

Ah, another victim of double-posting-because-the-system-is-in-meltdown...


P.S. That happened to me on page 1.

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

Whatever they are grading with, can someone for the love of God, post some framegrabs or a clip on youtube? (Or even better 1080p right here?)

[Gunleik Groven]

The most frustrating Red day ever.

What is really happening?


Relax!

Go render something.

You'll know soon enough!

....


But I want to understand and know it NOW!!!!!!


Gunleik

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

The most frustrating Red day ever.


Go render something.


You know what, that´s EXACTLY what I am doing... (and while my Mac renders I read up on these news...)

[Manfred Lopez]

You know what, that´s EXACTLY what I am doing... (and while my Mac renders I read up on these news...)

Damn... I am just waiting for some bittorrent files to get completed while you guys actually are rendering... I always knew I was a second-class citizen...

[brake]

Just got back from watching the footage. WOW! The most amazing thing is that everything I saw was apparently 500GB of data.

[Alex Boothby]

Can you draw us a picture?

[Manfred Lopez]

Please please please tell us more...

[jbeale]

500 GB of data? If they used redcode at 27.5 MB/s that would be about 5 hours long.

[Adrian T.]

500 GB of data? If they used redcode at 27.5 MB/s that would be about 5 hours long.

That's why it takes them so long to report for us... :huh:

[Billy Summers]

How packed is the Red booth!?!

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

you know, I think we deserve at least a photo of the booth with some known faces by now... those vegas people - they keep it all to themselves...

[Zas]

I dunno how many of you know this, but for a long time, Peter Jackson's been saying that he's been wanting to shoot a sequel to his ultra low budget horror movie Bad Taste (http://imdb.com/title/tt0092610/) for years, but that he'd only do it if he could shoot it on weekends with a tiny crew like the old days. I bet the Red will be a big help there.
In fact, if it wasn't for the inappropriatness of the subject matter, that could very well be the test footage.

I know from an American Cinematographer interview, from a few months back, that his DP on Kong and Rings, Andrew Lesnie, he has no aversion to shooting digital, it's just that there werern't any cameras that compared to 35mm at the time. Well, here we have it.

[Bryan Keith]

Wow Brake. What a descriptive write up :angry2:

[Anders Holck]

500 GB of data? If they used redcode at 27.5 MB/s that would be about 5 hours long.

I believe they use a 4k uncompressed harddisk recorder for the projection.
I think 500GB is like 10 mins or something.

[Adrian T.]

Wow Brake. What a descriptive write up :angry2:

First post and already flaming?
This is a friendly place! Welcome to the boards, Mr_Happyland.

[Bryan Keith]

Loooong time lurker. Not a flame...more of a "gimme more!!!!" sarastic post. No harm meant....NOW TELL US MORE :clown2:

[Andrew Benz]

Hahaha... the clown makes all the difference!

[Adrian T.]

Hahaha... the clown makes all the difference!

ROFL! :clown2:

[laguun]

ROFL! :clown2:

"killer klowns from out of space"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095444/


is a very recommendable movie :)

[jbeale]

Yes, 500 GB would be 13 minutes of uncompressed 4k (8-bit RGB, 4096x2304 at 24 fps and using 1 GB = 2^30 bytes.) If the presentation was say 9:30 am through 1 pm though, hopefully there was more than 13 minutes of actual video?

[Vincent Rice]

Yes, 500 GB would be 13 minutes of uncompressed 4k (8-bit RGB, 4096x2304 at 24 fps and using 1 GB = 2^30 bytes.) If the presentation was say 9:30 am through 1 pm though, hopefully there was more than 13 minutes of actual video?

I doubt it very much. 8 minutes is said to be the maximum time anybody will watch anything for standing up in an exhibition; no matter how interesting.

[brake]

Whoops, just got back to a computer. Sorry for giving everyone blueballs, or blue....... ovaries? for the ladies?

Anyways, it looks like there are quite a few posts from people who are much better writers than I. It'll be nice for everyone to see some 1080P of the footage if they post it, but man, 4K is something else! I think everyone should be considering how long its going to take them to drive/fly to vegas from their current location and get a move on.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Correct me if I'm wrong but unfortunately I think it's limited to 2K for the moment. Hopefully 4K will be supported soon though.

It will, talked with an apple guy, it is just the beginning of a new story...

[Trevor Meier]

Overhead Jim say the NAB demo was done on a Pablo after the screening.

The booth has been absolutely jammed all day.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

saw it 2ce... loved every moment of it!:)

[Jarred Land]

Everyone that came to the booth today seemed to be pretty impressed with what we had to show..

the Peter Jackson film was graded with the Pablo, edited with Final Cut and they used Redcine for playback on set.

The entire film will be online as soon as I have an extra second to export it out.

[Manfred Lopez]

Overhead Jim say the NAB demo was done on a Pablo after the screening.


Ha! I knew it. It only makes sense. If Peter Jackson and his photographer are going to be shooting any of their planes and explotions... then it is obvious that they would handle all the grading themselves. This reminds me of a scene from 'The Insider' when Christopher Plummer's character screams at an editor "YOU THINK YOUR NIMBLE FINGERS CAN EDIT MEEEE!!!!"

[Don Woods]

Yeah Jarrd very impressive. It was really good stuff. and i think with the vast difference of shots in the film it showed allot of different shooting senerios.

[Drew Mylrea]

I'm guessing this was the machine: http://www.quantel.com/site/en.nsf/HTML/7207EF3A711E73FA802571ED0055F52F

[andybussell]

The Peter Jackson short looks amazing! Absolutely amazing.

[Luke Boyce]

Oh my God, I can't remember the last time I was so excited to see something!! I can barely concentrate hard enough to get any work done.

[Andrew Benz]

Overhead Jim say the NAB demo was done on a Pablo after the screening.

The booth has been absolutely jammed all day.

Ahhh mystery solved, so it was not Lucas from Assimilate... Thank you Trevor and Jarred!

[Greg M]

I'm guessing this was the machine: http://www.quantel.com/site/en.nsf/HTML/7207EF3A711E73FA802571ED0055F52F

yes, i talked to the dp at the screening and he confirmed it was graded on Pablo...he told me the were going to reedit on the IQ soon.

[laguun]

The entire film will be online as soon as I have an extra second to export it out.

here, take two extra seconds of my lifetime and export that movie right now :)

aaaaahhh the teeeaaasse!

[Gavin Greenwalt]

If you just want to send me the REDCode Version along with a copy of REDCine, I'll be happy to donate a renderfarm to the cause. :sorcerer:

[Manfred Lopez]

Thanks to all who waited way too long to see our "stuff" today.

[...]

7. We just found out that we cannot post the movie due to music donated by Universal. Peter and his team are going to re-score the music, then we can post.

Jim

It looks like Universal nixed the online distribution of the Red Demo... :bye2: :sad: :angry01: :ohmy:

[Evan Owen]

I was able to get into the screening #2 here at NAB, and I have to concur with all the previous posts. I hadn't been able to attend the previous RED footage screenings, but I wish I had. The footage I saw today was jaw-droppingly gorgeous. I'm also incredibly impressed with Peter Jackson and WingNut films at their ability to produce a short film of this quality in just two days. Or maybe the credit should partially go to RED...

It just blows my mind that what I saw today (16min long) could be shot in a total of 500GBs of footage. That's TOTAL footage, at 4k. Combine the stellar performance by RED, and Apple's native support of 4k REDCODE RAW (confirmed by Ted S. and Apple.com), and it seems that all the pieces to this mysterious 4k puzzle are finally falling into place.

[Yash Keough]

It will, talked with an apple guy, it is just the beginning of a new story...

Sweet sounds good! I'm sure it will all come together pretty quickly given how things have been going now. :)

[Manfred Lopez]

Interesting... It looks like Peter Jackson approached the Red team about trying out the Red One... and not the other way around...

From HDforINDIES.com:

"As you may already know, Red was approached by a director who wanted to shoot some test footage - so Red said OK. That meant spinning up Jim's jet for a nonstop flight to New Zealand to drop in on Peter Jackson.

Thinking he wanted to shoot some charts and stuff and maybe set up a scene or two, they showed up with Boris and Natasha, the two testbed cameras. Turns out he had a script and actors and extras and everything...and everyting included planes, tanks, shooting from helicopters, 'splosions, teddy bears, the WORKS."

[Craig Ryan]

Don't know if anyone else spotted this already within the havoc, but i saw this (http://www.red.com/skin/img/store/store_banner.png)
banner on the RED Store section. Just from this, it looks pretty damn sweet already.

[Jannard]

We asked Peter, a reservation holder, if he knew of anyone in LA that could help us shoot NAB footage. He gratiously invited us to NZ to shoot NAB/test footage with him there. We jumped at the chance. By the time we got there, he had a story in mind. Two days later... he and his team were cutting a movie.

Jim

[Roberto B]

nice move..

[Craig Ryan]

That really sums up why Peter is simply one of the best directors out there right now. He knows how to make an f'n good movie. Here's to RED and one of cinema's greatest!

EDIT: I am really curious as to how the movie was shot; was it more of a training/collaborative effort with the RED ONE with everyone trying out new things? It would be the ultimate learning experience to get to see some behind the scenes footage of that shoot.

[Manfred Lopez]

We asked Peter, a reservation holder, if he knew of anyone in LA that could help us shoot NAB footage. He gratiously invited us to NZ to shoot NAB/test footage with him there. We jumped at the chance. By the time we got there, he had a story in mind. Two days later... he and his team were cutting a movie.

Jim

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. As you know we all have a great deal of curiosity about all details regarding this shoot. Sometimes we have to relly on picking up crumbs of info from diferent sites... and HDforIndies almost always is reliable (but I guess not this time). I am sure all (correct) details will emerge over time... In the mean time... Kudos on today!!! A very special day indeed.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

too lazy to read through the whole thread so forgive me if its been answered.. but someone asked if peter will even use a red.. according to Jim Peter has the maximum reservations

[Brook Willard]

We don't know when/where/if Peter is going to use his cameras... that's for him to determine and we won't speak for him.

[Manfred Lopez]

but someone asked if peter will ever use a red..

You mean other than the demo? Like his next feature? I think that only Peter himself can decide that when he gets his order delivered.


EDIT: Damn, Brook beat me to the punch. :gun:

[Steve Gibby]

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. As you know we all have a great deal of curiosity about all details regarding this shoot. Sometimes we have to relly on picking up crumbs of info from diferent sites... and HDforIndies almost always is reliable (but I guess not this time). I am sure all (correct) details will emerge over time... In the mean time... Kudos on today!!! A very special day indeed.

In case you missed it, there were several details of the Peter Jackson shoot in my RED @ NAB, Part 1 article that went up on the Studio Daily web site this morning at 9am. That article was the first news that broke about the Peter Jackson production work (and the new RED lenses).

Link: http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/7959.html

[Kyle Spicer]

From the single picture on RED.com I can only imagine what It looked like. I cant wait to see it!

[Jarred Land]

and HDforIndies almost always is reliable (but I guess not this time)..

there is alot of buzz going around and with alot of buzz things can get confused, we can give Mike Curtis a break on this one misprint :)

[Don Woods]

We asked Peter, a reservation holder, if he knew of anyone in LA that could help us shoot NAB footage. He gratiously invited us to NZ to shoot NAB/test footage with him there. We jumped at the chance. By the time we got there, he had a story in mind. Two days later... he and his team were cutting a movie.

Jim

And I think it paid off big time.. I think this was the only way that this cameras footage could have been shown and made such a strong statement in the industry.

[Deanan]

500 GB of data? If they used redcode at 27.5 MB/s that would be about 5 hours long.

About 500GB shot during the two days (and 3 hours
on the third day). Backups were up to two separate drives after each mag
rotation and additional backup back at the hotel
to pass on to the editor.

Deanan

[Paul Wizikowski]

Did anyone shoot behind-the-scene's footage? And if so, enough for a little docu?

[Steven-Marc C.]

Since the online availability of the demo seems to be delayed, could we get a few stills in the meantime? That would be very nice as I'm sure everyone here is dying to have a look at some images!

[Steve Gibby]

there is alot of buzz going around and with alot of buzz things can get confused, we can give Mike Curtis a break on this one misprint :)

No doubt...HD for Indies rocks...Mike does a good job with it...

[martinnoweck]

Is there a possibility to the download the Peter Jackson Clip somewhere? I just found a small picture in the red.com store, where it says "Watch demos shot with RED ONE", but no link ...

Martin

[Jannard]

Give us a couple of days...

[Brook Willard]

The movie is not downloadable because the score is Universal's... and they won't let us post it. It's completely understandable on their part - they let us use the King Kong score for $1.

Peter's rescoring it, so it'll be up when it's ready.

edit: this has changed already... see Jim's thread on the subject

[martinnoweck]

sorry, i didn't mean to rush. thanks for the great news!

Martin

[Manfred Lopez]

Thank God they are able to post it with the original music. It would have been weird if they had to use some royalty-free hawaiian ukelele tunes to go over the dog fights. :pinch: :)

[Manfred Lopez]

It looks like Mike @ HDforIndies still hasn't corrected his post about the Jackson/Jannard connection. Should we let him know or let it slide?

[Samuel Doyle]

Peter Jackson is shooting a new movie with WWI airplanes, and this looks to be a nice little preview.

This is just a rumour, they are currently working on Dambusters & Lovely bones....Weta working on Avatar.

Jackson has a great WW1 aircraft collection based in a couple of locations not far from Wellington. They all make regular appearances at the airshows here in NZ.

[PaulClements]

The Dambuster bombs were tested at Derwent Reservoir in Derbyshire England only a few miles up the road from where I live. Apparently Jackson wants to make it as true to life as possible, so if they need a local RedOne owner operator for the movie *Cough* *Cough* :) hehe

[Steve Gibby]

It looks like Mike @ HDforIndies still hasn't corrected his post about the Jackson/Jannard connection. Should we let him know or let it slide?

Ah....let it slide. Mike has been working long days in the RED NAB booth all week, doing a great job teaching hordes of interested people about RED. Then after all that hard work, he has also taken the time to post blog stuff about NAB and RED up on HD for Indies. I definitely think he not only deserves some slack, but deserves a pat on the back for his hard work.

What do you do in your free time Mike? (as if you have any!)

Mike's a really good guy, and I appreciate his work...nobody ever gets all their details correct, and he is human like the rest of us...he has corrected his post...let's move on...

[chuck colburn]

Thank God they are able to post it with the original music. It would have been weird if they had to use some royalty-free hawaiian ukelele tunes to go over the dog fights. :pinch: :)

TheThe,

What's wrong with ukeleles? You can burn one up in half the time it takes to burn a banjo!

Chuck

[Manfred Lopez]

Ah....let it slide. [...] ...he has corrected his post...let's move on...

Hi Gibby. Loved your articles in StudioDaily.com and your comments and posts on this site. Regarding the above... I would also vote for letting it slide since Mike has shown tremenduous stamina in keeping up with everything.

But there is one small detail. He hasn't corrected it yet. And now it has spread to AintItCoolNews.com (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32338) where they quote him directly without citation. Thousands of people read that site and are now going to get an impression of something that didn't happen... something Jim felt strong enough to come here and post a promt correction himself in this very thread (like two pages back). Remember, the major news networks have been known to pick up stories from AintItCoolNews.

[Samuel Doyle]

The Dambuster bombs were tested at Derwent Reservoir in Derbyshire England only a few miles up the road from where I live. Apparently Jackson wants to make it as true to life as possible, so if they need a local RedOne owner operator for the movie *Cough* *Cough* :) hehe

Not alot of people realize that PJ isnt directing Dam busters....Christian Rivers has that job...but I am sure they will do a great job, especially with Stephen Fry writing it.

who knows Paul, I am sure they'll seriously consider following the RED brick road.....

[Manfred Lopez]

TheThe,

What's wrong with ukeleles? You can burn one up in half the time it takes to burn a banjo!

Chuck

True... And you are right, a banjo scored Peter Jackson Film would be quite weird. :turned: