NAB Roundup So Far

[PaulClements]

Product Announcements:

RED is developing a new Professional Pocket Camera (Mini Red)
RED is developing a new line of 4k displays
RED is developing a 4k projector
New Prime Lens set Priced at $19,975 (15mm f2.8, 25mm f1.9, 35mm f1.9, 50mm f1.9, 85mm f1.9)
New Zoom Lens (18-50mm) priced at $6500 Does not replace 18-85mm, but reservation holders can swap
Canon EOS lens mount produced by Birger Engineering and Red. Pricing and Delivery announced soon
Canon FD lens mount to be available with shipping camera. Price $500
SuperGrip (Image (http://us.gizmodo.com/photogallery/redoone/1729962)) - Presumably a variation upon the current handles available for the RedRail/Cage setups, including remote control of Canon EOS lens mount as well as...
Red Motor (Image (http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=430&d=1176764988)), very little information about this, is listed on the new Pricelist page, presumably a motorized follow focus since it is listed along with the SuperGrip as a lens accessory. MORE INFO PLEASE
RedArm reduced from $175 to $120/125, also re-included with LCD Screen for free
Magic Focus Assist - It's a waveform type display at the base of the screen/viewfinder, so for each column of pixels there's only a single point showing the level of sharpness for that column. - Apparently Red has bought Accuscene, so users of their technique ought to be encouraged and more understanding. MORE INFO PLEASE

Other News

Tentative Shipping Schedule (http://www.red.com/news/view/79) posted
First screenshot of RedCine (http://www.red.com/workflow.shtml) made available
Online Store (http://www.red.com/store/) opens
'Native' Redcode FCP support not initially available with FCP2
Peter Jackson and co. have produced a short for display at NAB. Footage of WWI planes, explosions, action, gritty story based sequence, is said to be amazing. - When can we expect to be able to download Peter Jackson's footage as a BitTorrent or other (1080p?) - From Jim "We just found out that we cannot post the movie due to music donated by Universal. Peter and his team are going to re-score the music, then we can post." - Turns out we might be able to view a downloadable version around abouts the 19th since permissions might have been granted.
We've recorded the highest number of users on RedUser.net at 1,729... hehehe... wow
Jack Felis Rundown (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1620) on other products at the show, including RedRock Products, Indie-Dolly, Zacuto, Canon and more


Reports & Images

Mikes@HDforIndies Red Booth Day Zero & One (http://www.hdforindies.com/)
Gizmodo Report (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/eyes+on-the-red-camera-real-and-beautiful-but-4k-launch-support-in-question-252798.php)
IMGentertainment's photos (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1610)
Gibby's first Studio Daily report (http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/headlines/7959.html)
Gibby's Second Studio Daily report (http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/7981.html)
Mikes@HDforIndies interview with Ted Schilowitz of Red (http://www.hdforindies.com/)
Pictures from the event by Zak Forrest (http://zakforrest.com/pictures/rednab/rednab.html), many thanks
More pictures from Gizmodo (http://us.gizmodo.com/)
Pixel Chef's Images (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=28249&postcount=38)
Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/photos/red-one-hands-on-red-nab-booth-tour/) Red One Hands on (Images)
Froinlaven's photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chazm/)
RRJackson's photos (http://web.mac.com/jackson.robert.rex/iWeb/RED/Photos.html)


Awaiting Answers

Will the RedMotor be able to relay information to and from the camera and utilize the focus assist to maintain focus on a selected area or object?
When will the RED One / REDCINE user guide to be published?
Whats the specification of the fibre channel port?
What is the actual dynamic range?
Expected specs, price & delivery of MiniRed
Expected specs, price & delivery of 4k Displays
Expected specs, price & delivery of 4k Projector
Will reservation holders have to order new lenses and get in line or will new lenses be treated as accessories and go out of the door with the camera?
Minimum Specs for PC/MAC to edit 4k and 2k
Are refunds available for new reservations/accessories
What are the final recording data rates
Has anyone experienced the ergonomics of the camera on shoulder
If we import REDCODE RAW into FCP (without transcoding), what "Development" settings will be applied to the clips, does the codec read the embedded camera metadata and apply the chosen LUT etc.?
How does the operator change lens mounts?
What are the Difficulties with changing mounts?
What do the various buttons and the rear screen do and show?
What buttons are programmable?
What are the functions which can be programmed?
What power outputs for radio mic receivers, powered lens mounts, Focus systems, etc are provided from the camera body?
When will we see individual item pricing on the accessories?
Will RED provide a list of lenses which won’t work either because of coverage or angle of incidence of light on the chip?
What information is displayed in the VF
View Factor Studio information
Similarly, how does the configured Red One work seem to with our expected front-runner smaller tripods? I thought I saw an OConnor in the pics - was it a 1030 or 2060?
S/N ratio of the Audio - mic / line inputs? How good is the preamp / DAC compared to a Sound Devices 702, for example? In know a lot of people will be using Red in tandem with an external mixer / recorder but how good is it on its own?

[Manfred Lopez]

Thanks Paul... very usefull. I was getting dissy trying to keep all threads strait.

[Andrew Benz]

Thanks Paul, nice summation...

[dewman]

I second that, much thanks Paul! What a crazy day...I can only imagine what it's like in the RED booth!

DJ

[b e n t o n]

Very good Paul. Thanks,
(Let's keep udating this thread so we don't have to scrounge for crumbs other places)
wonder how many new Reservations will be taken?
and I am super intregued with the RED Mini

[Corrado Silveri]

Thanks, Paul. Great.
But.... Where are our friends?
No pictures, no report from the booth, they are still alive?
I'm getting crazy...

[Manfred Lopez]

I am super intregued with the RED Mini

Speaking of the Red Mini... how mini will the mini be?

[Jeremy Hughes]

Due to the speed of the threads "moving down the line", this need to be a sticky.

[b e n t o n]

Speaking of the Red Mini... how mini will the mini be?

http://www.theredmini.co.uk/events/l2b2003_frames.html

(it will fit in the Glove compartment)

[PaulClements]

I'll keep editing it as new stuff comes in no problem, hopefully people at NAB will see it and know when we're missing out on stuff, must be hard to take the time to see what we're missing with all the posts. Makes you wonder if they know all the stuff we do actually! :)

[david farland]

Thanks for that Paul....very much appreciated...

feel a bit let down...

[Jaime Vallés]

Good roundup, Paul. Thanks.

BUT WHERE ARE THE PICTURES FROM THE FLOOR?! ANYONE?

[PaulClements]

I must admit, there isn't as much coming out as I had hoped, it's almost as if everyone thought someone else would report back and so didn't do so themselves. It'll all come out eventually I suppose.

They should put in a webcam and mic lol.

[PaulClements]

Updated but not with much!

[Martin Drew]

Great summary Paul. Thanks.

M

[Simon Blackledge]

no redcode with FCP6 :( hmm... howlong>? the pain the pain!!!...

was shown in fcp on apples site... :-?

[david farland]

That's great Paul.....
do you want to add there will still be a wait for 'native' Redcode FCP support?

[PaulClements]

Couple more bits filtering in. Not sure how long the yellow new bits ought to last haha!

[Chris Gearhart]

Great service, Paul. Thanks man.

[PaulClements]

Neatened up a little and included questions from Boothba's unanswered questions thread in the list.

[Corrado Silveri]

Please, someone make this thread a Sticky!
It's just the "ultimate summarizer".

(make any sense?)

[Ronnie Silos]

Jim and team has been just non-stop working. I got up to the booth line right at the start and it quickly filled up and non-stop line. Some people are even rough trying to get in. My jaw dropped with the Peter Jackson footage. The footage I saw in LA is nothing compared to this one. 2 days in the hands of people with big budget, wow. Now I know I will be the limitation. I'm so excited about the Canon EF mount! Yes!!! Erik, where are you?? Been looking for you but it's crazy here at NAB!

[PaulClements]

Minor updates

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

GREAT WORK Paul!

Thanks, I am signing off for today, I am on a (filming)trip for two days (without internet) boy will I have a lot of reding to do on thursday...

[PaulClements]

I'll try and update this as often as I can and whenever new info arises so maybe this thread will help you catch up when you get back Eirik.

If anyone has any other questions they want putting on the first page just post em up here on in http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1591 and I'll update it next time I'm on.

Time for me to sign off too.

ciao

[Cory Schulthies]

the red mini sounds very intriguing, there are many times when a huge camera is just too much, draws too much attention. cant wait to hear more details on this . I'm way happy that they are expanding their product line with 4k projectors and monitors, they are very much needed(or will be once the RED ONE gets out).

[Daymon Hoffman]

Oh My God. miniRED! This is hopefully what i've been waiting for. I'm a bit unsure at this stage though. I fear its just some kind of add-in or some such and thus not my dream "Little Pro RED". But i'll wait and see. :) Sound promising though! Can't wait for more info.

[John Godden]

Thanks for the detailed info set!

A 'mini' Red might be just what I'm looking for. :w00t:

Regards
JohnG

[Andrew Benz]

Hey, just a quick shout out to all the new members, welcome to the crack factory! Hehehe... seriously have a great time and please enjoy the next 12 months!!! I know I will!

[Alex Boothby]

welcome to the crack factory!

Classic!

[Clint Johnson]

Paul, it says post #1 that the EOS adapter is priced at $500. This strikes me as too low since the much simpler Canon manual lens mount is $500. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be that inexpensive... and it's true enough that everything around Red seems to be constantly upsetting the price to performance ratio that the rest of the world is working with.

[Kyle Spicer]

I told my friends about the MiniRed today and they just went completely silent! Gotta Love it.

[Bruce Allen]

Peter Jackson and co. have produced a short for display at NAB. Footage of WWII planes, explosions, action, gritty story based sequence, is said to be amazing.


CORRECTION: WWI planes, not WWII planes. I don't know which planes - wasn't at NAB! Anyone want to fill us in? I think I saw an S.E.5 in some RedCine screenshots - which would rock! I am sure there will be no Tiger Moths (you know, that anachronistic plane instantly recognizable in lower-budget WWI movies due to the swept-back wings with fat fuel tank in the middle of the top wing).

Pocket Red! Pocket Red! Pocket Red!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Terry Delahunt]

Thanks Paul.......Great job!

Did you see these photos from IMGentertainment

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1610

[PaulClements]

Paul, it says post #1 that the EOS adapter is priced at $500. This strikes me as too low since the much simpler Canon manual lens mount is $500. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be that inexpensive... and it's true enough that everything around Red seems to be constantly upsetting the price to performance ratio that the rest of the world is working with.

Yeah I got the $500 from the FD mount in the store, I've removed it. Am I right in saying there are two canon mounts then? An FD and an EOS one with controls from Birger?

Updated a few more bits and pieces too.

[Bruce Allen]

Another 4 NAB questions:

1. What matte boxes are they using at the booth / do they recommend for use with the Red lenses? Did I see an Arri MB-20? I think I saw an Arri clip-on one too.

2. Similarly, how does the configured Red One work seem to with our expected front-runner smaller tripods? I thought I saw an OConnor in the pics - was it a 1030 or 2060?

3. S/N ratio of the Audio - mic / line inputs? How good is the preamp / DAC compared to a Sound Devices 702, for example? In know a lot of people will be using Red in tandem with an external mixer / recorder but how good is it on its own?

4. Even if we get no more info, can we at least clarify whether the Red Professional Pocket Camera shoots still or video?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[PaulClements]

I've updated the questions on the front Bruce, I'm almost positive the MiniRed is video. Think something like SI's 2kMini camera I'd imagine:

http://siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/Images/SI-2Kmini_productpage.jpg

[Martin Drew]

Bruce. I have had a look at the pix and all the matteboxes seem to be Arri MB-20s. Some are swing away, some are using the clamp on adapter.

M

[Bruce Allen]

Wow. Thank you. The community is strong! It's like we're all making a film together or something.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Simon Blackledge]

Wow. Thank you. The community is strong! It's like we're all making a film together or something.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com


http://www.projectred.net/

[PaulClements]

http://www.projectred.net/

Interesting

[Mike Van Laanen]

Paul,
Thanks for all your work in staring this thread. It is just amazing to watch this revolution evolve and mature. I feel privileged to be a part of it. Have a question regarding the canon mount options. I have three Canon lenses:
Canon Zoom Lens EF 35-105mm 1:4.5-5.6
Canon Zoom Lens EF 75-300mm 1:4.5-5.6 III
Canon Zoom Lens EF 100-400mm 1:4.5-5.6 L IS
and am wondering if they will work on Spike with the EOS option Birger mount. I am getting the 300 and the 15-50 from Red, but would love to have the option to use these Canons. Any idea if they will work?

[PaulClements]

Hi MVL, welcome to the forum, i'm no expert on Canon's but if the lenses work on EOS bodies (Which I think yours do) then they should work fine on the Birger Mount.

[Mike Van Laanen]

Thanks Paul. If anyone knows how these lenses will function on the Red, ie 2K & 4K coverage, quality, aperture issues, etc. I'd really appreciate some info. Thanks.
Mike

[underachiever]

I have been curious about the red flash module (cf,sata, ex34). Did anyone get a chance to see if it holds one or more cards?

[Anders Holck]

Looks like it's one card only:
http://www.holckowen.com/ram.jpg

[underachiever]

Thanks Anders.

Guess the 1.8" sata option seems the best then.

Funny that you of all people should answer my first post... I live at viktoriagade on vesterbro. Just around the corner from you.

[PaulClements]

Thanks Paul. If anyone knows how these lenses will function on the Red, ie 2K & 4K coverage, quality, aperture issues, etc. I'd really appreciate some info. Thanks.
Mike

Mike checkout this thread from over at DVXUser/RedArchive a long while ago, it shows the visual sensor format comparison for different size lenses on the mysterium sensor.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=64685

As you can see 35mm Still lenses are actually larger than the sensor, read the thread it's very thorough about the effect this has on your still lenses.

[Anders Holck]

I live at viktoriagade on vesterbro. Just around the corner from you.

Cool, sometimes I wish there were a realname policy at this forum, makes it easy to spot the Danes....

[Mike Van Laanen]

Paul, Thanks again.
Mike

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks Paul.

[Steve Gibby]

Similarly, how does the configured Red One work seem to with our expected front-runner smaller tripods? I thought I saw an OConnor in the pics - was it a 1030 or 2060?

Both the O'Connor 1030 and 2060 heads were used in the RED booth. The 2060 for the heavier cine-style camera setup (accessorized to the max), and the 1030 for lighter setups. If someone shoots a lot of heavy-accessory cine-style stuff, the 2060 would be a good choice. If they shoot mobile EFP and lighter-accessory cine-style stuff, the 1030 would be a good choice. If they shoot a mixture of both, having both heads would be a good idea.


Even if we get no more info, can we at least clarify whether the Red Professional Pocket Camera shoots still or video?

In my interview with Ted yesterday, which I used to break the news via web articles/blogs/RED User thread, Ted only said that RED would be developing a "Professional Pocket Camera". He gave no other details, and to my knowledge no other info has been released about that since then. My educated guess, based on no direct info about the camera functions, would be that it will be a small professional digital cinema camera, not a DSLR. Perhaps it will also have a dedicated stills function...who knows. I would also guess that when RED gets into active development of the pocket camera, that they will follow the pattern of seeking input from the prospective user community, just as they have in the development process for RED One.

I'm way excited about the potential for the pocket camera!