The Lovely Bones...

[Jannard]

While the majority of Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones" was shot on film, I was just told that "Lovely Bones Visual Effects elements and New Zealand aerials were shot on Red". Peter also told me he would send pics for us to post.

BTW... some on Build 16.

Jim

[Paul Hazlett]

I was bummed he decided to shoot film. I could helped him out with the Red.
being in my backyard and all!!, but whadda ya gonna do...

[Eryc Tramonn]

While the majority of Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones" was shot on film, I was just told that "Lovely Bones Visual Effects elements and New Zealand aerials were shot on Red". Peter also told me he would send pics for us to post.

BTW... some on Build 16.

Jim

Looking forward to the pics. Thanks.

[Mark Toia]

My Sources say Peter will shoot nothing other than RED soon.

Work flow issues (last year) and studio concerns slowed him up and so him and his team decided to go Film for now.

But you can garrantee, he weill be RED in the future now that work flow will be sorted soon with AVID.

[Brad Wilson]

Yeah, Andrew Lesnie confirmed this back at the end of May at the Australian Cinematographers Society ACS 50th anniversary event:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14305

"During a panel on the "Future of the Image", Andrew Lesnie, ACS, ASC spoke about his involvement using RED, in that it "is now a very suitable system", that it has come along way, and that he used it a couple times alongside Super35mm on The Lovely Bones, Peter Jackson's new film.

[Peter McCully]

The Lovely Red

[Petr Dvorak]

While the majority of Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones" was shot on film, I was just told that "Lovely Bones Visual Effects elements and New Zealand aerials were shot on Red". Peter also told me he would send pics for us to post.

BTW... some on Build 16.

Jim


Yep Peter, dont hesistate and send them here :biggrin:

[Craig Ryan]

What a cool guy to send pics to post. Thats class.

[Joe Vinson]

Very prestigious!

Counting down till the "when will he release Crossing the Line" questions start up again... 5... 4... 3... 2...

[Jarred Land]

What a cool guy to send pics to post. Thats class.

I can't even begin to tell you how accurate your statement is...

[Christian Edwards]

Going from making "Meet The feebles" and "bad taste" to "Lord of the Rings" is beyond me ....
The Lovely Bones stars Marky Mark... very cool

[Jannard]

Going from making "Meet The feebles" and "bad taste" to "Lord of the Rings" is beyond me ....


Kinda like going from making motorcycle handgrips to digital cinema cameras... :-)

Jarred, Deanan and I were lucky enough to spend 3 days with Peter last year (Crossing). He is delightful, wicked smart, driven and has a crew that will follow him into battle at the drop of a hat. What a great experience for all of us to see Peter in action.
Jim

[Christian Edwards]

Kinda like going from making motorcycle handgrips to digital cinema cameras... :-)

Jarred, Deanan and I were lucky enough to spend 3 days with Peter last year (Crossing). He is delightful, wicked smart, driven and has a crew that will follow him into battle at the drop of a hat. What a great experience for all of us to see Peter in action.
Jim

Thanks Jimbo ,

Very inspirational!, did you get time to check out the Weta Workshop... that place would be off the hook

[Jannard]

We saw things that I'm not supposed to remember...

Jim

[Christian Edwards]

i still think you should open a Red production house

[Jannard]

i still think you should open a Red production house

In our spare time?...

Jim

[Christian Edwards]

We saw things that I'm not supposed to remember...

Jim
id rather not hear about Jarreds exploitations



In our spare time?...

Jim

i see your point

[Lucas Wilson]

The Lovely Bones is one of my favorite books from the past few years. It is one of the most original and touching coming of age stories I've ever read.

When I read books, there's a part of my brain that is always thinking about adaptation for the screen.

When I read The Lovely Bones, I had the thought in my mind of what an unusual and challenging movie it would be in the right hands. I'm really looking forward to seeing this.

Lucas

[Axel Mertes]

Luki,

you have time to read books????

Axel

[Corrado Silveri]

In our spare time?...

Jim

Oh yes! Are you trying to say that you don't have enough spare time?

[Lucas Wilson]

Luki,

you have time to read books????

Axel

Well... only between the work I do on my Lead-2-Gold solution and the water-powered combustion engine. :)

Lucas

[Dyslexicon]

We saw things that I'm not supposed to remember...

Jim

Considering that LotR is the reason I decided to become a filmmaker, you can understand my jealousy. Ah well, someday I'll make the pilgrimage...

[peter roehsler]

Ancient Austrian film crew mantra:
`A day has 24 hours and if that´s not enough, we shall work nights too.´

[Obin Olson]

Ancient Austrian film crew mantra:
`A day has 24 hours and if that´s not enough, we shall work nights too.´

Did that on Fatal Flaw. :)

[Jerrod Cordell]

This is why I think Red should have a short movie/commercial contest for people interested in wanting Scarlet and having the winner remake their short movie/commercial using two or three Scarlets and having Peter Jackson as a personal mentor.

:wink:

(Hey, it's nice to dream isn't it?)

[Michael "Dorkman" Scott]

I didn't even know this had actually moved into production, and apparently it's already shot. Right on.

[Red Follower]

Glad to hear he did manage to shoot a few scenes with a RED. It'll be interesting to see the pics he sends.


Kinda like going from making motorcycle handgrips to digital cinema cameras... :-)

Jarred, Deanan and I were lucky enough to spend 3 days with Peter last year (Crossing). He is delightful, wicked smart, driven and has a crew that will follow him into battle at the drop of a hat. What a great experience for all of us to see Peter in action.
Jim

I must say I envy you guys (positively) :biggrin: It must have been an amazing experience!

[Jeff Brue]

Well... only between the work I do on my Lead-2-Gold solution and the water-powered combustion engine. :)

Lucas

I just really feel the need to point out this was posted at 630 AM ;-)

[Deanan]

I must say I envy you guys (positively) :biggrin: It must have been an amazing experience!

yup :)

[Red Follower]

Any news on the photos whatsoever?

Thanks

[Jonathon Laing]

Yeh what he said. Im dieeeeeing to see the photo's:ranting2:

[Shawn Booth]

Ancient Austrian film crew mantra:
`A day has 24 hours and if that´s not enough, we shall work nights too.´

That's why there's unions thankfully.

[AntiMutant]

Going from making "Meet The feebles" and "bad taste" to "Lord of the Rings" is beyond me ....
The Lovely Bones stars Marky Mark... very cool

In between these were a few films, most notably Heavenly Creatures. I had no idea who Peter Jackson was when I saw it, but I thought the film was genius, then promptly forgot who PJ was until LOTR. If you haven't seen Heavenly Creatures, I highly recommend it.

[Jason Murphy]

I second that; Heavenly Creatures (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110005/) is a wonderful film.

[Jaime Vallés]

I second that; Heavenly Creatures is a wonderful film.
Agreed. Also, The Frighteners (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116365/) is a very underrated film. As for his transition to Lord of the Rings, he was definitely thinking of the trilogy's Ring-wraiths when putting together the evil ghost for Frighteners.

[Benni Diez]

Yessirrr, agreed again. I own the Frighteners 4-disc edition. That movie just came way too early.

[Jonathon Laing]

Stilll nothing yet?

[Peter Mosiman]

guess those pictures aren't coming...

hint hint :P

[Colin Hubick]

In our spare time?...

Jim

...maybe with some partners :-)...

[JayEmm]

Agreed. Also, The Frighteners (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116365/) is a very underrated film. As for his transition to Lord of the Rings, he was definitely thinking of the trilogy's Ring-wraiths when putting together the evil ghost for Frighteners.

According to PJ himself on the Frighteners HD DVD it was that film which then led on to LotR. He expanded Weta from one computer to about 30 and then though "hmm... what kinda movie needs this much SFX work?".

He's a lad, I tell ya.

Bad Taste > LOTR in about fifteen years? Not bad, not bad at all....

[Alain DEUDJUI]

hello Jim!
I was stunned nobody was able to answer your question;(what is a DSMC) in the previous thread.
DIGITAL STILL AND MOVIE CAMERA is the answer.As i said Scarlet should be 4k capable at least sensor wise before compression so Epic will be a real epic with a 6 or 7k capable sensor.As you said the market has changed for real.
Tools even for a 8k capable workflow are out there right now if people know where to look.:nerd:

ALAIN

[Evin Grant]

Forget 8K, I'll take 12+ stops of DR and a native 800 ISO.

[Pawel Achtel]

8k would be very nice and completely useless.

I don't think there is a lens that would resolve 8k and, if there was, how would you propose to pull focus with CoC around 3 microns?

Not to mention storage and horse power needed to process the footage.

Yeah, 12+ stops would be exactly what doctor ordered.

I think we are going off topic, though...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

8K makes perfect sense for 65~70mm/ IMAX. I think for S35mm, 6K would be the absolute upper limit and EPIC's 5K looks like a real good number as the bayer pattern sensor when sampled down should give us razor-sharp 4K images.

[Steve Gibby]

hello Jim!
I was stunned nobody was able to answer your question;(what is a DSMC) in the previous thread.
DIGITAL STILL AND MOVIE CAMERA is the answer.

ALAIN

Very close...but as per Jim's thread-opening post on his DSMC thread, DSMC stands for "Digital Still and Motion Camera".

A movie is simply one classification within the diverse array of motion production types. Similarly, EFP isn't "electronic film production", but rather "electronic field production". Media convergence, typified by RED One, is a focal point of converging industries and to avoid confusion it often involves re-thinking our use of old traditional terms. It would highly surprise me if someone produced a standard "movie" with the RED DSMC - but they will undoubtedly capture lots of "motion" for a wide variety of production types.

No worries, people will call the DSMC whatever they want in the long run, but a good starting point is to call it accurately what Jim himself called it. Whatever people call it, I expect it to be a very cool, and versatile camera system!

[Tom Lowe]

8K makes perfect sense for 65~70mm/ IMAX. I think for S35mm, 6K would be the absolute upper limit and EPIC's 5K looks like a real good number as the bayer pattern sensor when sampled down should give us razor-sharp 4K images.

This is correct. Ron Fricke's new film, Samsara, which is being shot on 65mm, will be scanned and DI'd at 8K.

For S35, 6K is ideal because it will downsample perfectly for a 4K master. Many of us believe that 4K will be the next 1080p.

[Pawel Achtel]

8K makes perfect sense for 65~70mm/ IMAX. I think for S35mm, 6K would be the absolute upper limit and EPIC's 5K looks like a real good number as the bayer pattern sensor when sampled down should give us razor-sharp 4K images.

Absolutely agree with you.

[Simon Valderrama]

Forget 8K, I'll take 12+ stops of DR and a native 800 ISO.

100% agree on this one.

enough resolution, gimme DR! :w00t:
resolution is overrated ... ;-)

[Alexander Nikishin]

Forget 8K, I'll take 12+ stops of DR and a native 800 ISO.

Bingo, mooore latitude, please.

[wedowee]

Bump for the status on some photos of the shoot.

[filip kovcin]

...
Tools even for a 8k capable workflow are out there right now if people know where to look.:nerd:
ALAIN

Alain, please be so kind and send a few links about 8k workflow/tools. i am really curious to read something about it.

thank you,

filip

[Desmond Williams]

While the majority of Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones" was shot on film, I was just told that "Lovely Bones Visual Effects elements and New Zealand aerials were shot on Red". Peter also told me he would send pics for us to post.

BTW... some on Build 16.

Jim
Hi there Jim,
Des here--I scaled your 20 footer Harmony for the House-- I'm back down under for a few months and just to say firstly WOW how incredible the new Cameras seem-PL will just LUV the 6x17 -Ha! congrats to you all.
As an aside to Peter Jackson--just to add I am a K one W one as well and from Wellington same town as Peter plus spent many a summer as a kid around the Wairarapa Plains where he shot the WWar promo.
Ngila Dickson his Stylist is a good friend of mine also.

Kudos to all at RED and hope we can catch up again in LV.

Des Williams
(Sea Changing on the Great Barrier Reef at present!)

[Ellie Nasaf]

Kinda like going from making motorcycle handgrips to digital cinema cameras... :-)

Jarred, Deanan and I were lucky enough to spend 3 days with Peter last year (Crossing). He is delightful, wicked smart, driven and has a crew that will follow him into battle at the drop of a hat. What a great experience for all of us to see Peter in action.
Jim

I'm not surprised to hear that about Peter

I've watched everything he made (except Crossing the line :( ) and read everything written about him, he's not only a great director, he's a teacher to all aspiring filmmakers and a big inspiration to everybody.

and sending some pics to post? That's soo Peter! and that's what make him closer to the community that any other director. Can't wait to see his the lovely bones

[Terry Delahunt]

While the majority of Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones" was shot on film, I was just told that "Lovely Bones Visual Effects elements and New Zealand aerials were shot on Red". Peter also told me he would send pics for us to post.

BTW... some on Build 16.

Jim

Any more news on the R1 role/pics yet?

[vita brevis]

Was sort of sad to watch the featurette to lovely bones and not see the red in action. However the featurette for district nine really gets the blood pumping.

[Bill Anderson]

RED is obviously well past the point of compromising anyone's vision,
but the larger Epic sensors (and possibly larger yet as the technology
evolves) will not just offer "better quality" output, but, perhaps more
importantly, will demand more from the filmmaker if he/she is to fully
realize its potential.

But not only in a qualitative sense, where we simply apply
our voices to sensor improvements using our standard language,
but more to the degree of allowing us to push beyond the
boundaries of that language.

So, we might not yet even have a completely adequate
language to express much of what will be possible when
using these (upcoming) sensors. Perhaps this is the challenge
that awaits the already formidable abilities of our best story
tellers and image-makers.

[Tony Lorentzen]

Was sort of sad to watch the featurette to lovely bones and not see the red in action. However the featurette for district nine really gets the blood pumping.

Second that. Not even a RED in any of the VFX shots.

[Victor Papalucas]

Second that. Not even a RED in any of the VFX shots.

According to IMDB:

Red One Camera (afterlife sequences) (New Zealand aerials)

[Tony Lorentzen]

Still looking forward to those bts stills, Jim.

[Jonathan Smiles]

Watched "The Lovely Bones" an excellent movie with an outstanding ensemble cast.

Finally got to meet Peter who did a Q&A after the screening in the Paramount Lot's main Theater with Fran and cast members Saoirse Ronan, Mark Wahlberg, Michael Imperioli, Rose McIver, Susan Sarandon and Stanley Tucci.

Chatted briefly with Peter about D9, and how he missed the fun of shooting in Soweto.

The RED Logo comes up in the credits, so I asked Peter about the use of digital cameras on Lovely Bones, and he said there are around 20-30 Red shots in movie comprising of blue screen and aerials. The macro shots where done with the Iconix camera.

Jonathan
RED Camera Supervisor on District 9

[Ólafur Jón Thoroddsen]

Watched "The Lovely Bones" an excellent movie with an outstanding ensemble cast.

Finally got to meet Peter who did a Q&A after the screening in the Paramount Lot's main Theater with Fran and cast members Saoirse Ronan, Mark Wahlberg, Michael Imperioli, Rose McIver, Susan Sarandon and Stanley Tucci.

Chatted briefly with Peter about D9, and how he missed the fun of shooting in Soweto.

The RED Logo comes up in the credits, so I asked Peter about the use of digital cameras on Lovely Bones, and he said there are around 20-30 Red shots in movie comprising of blue screen and aerials. The macro shots where done with the Iconix camera.

Jonathan
RED Camera Supervisor on District 9

Envy :eek:
Must have been awesome to attend the Q&A

[billyboy14]

The latest issue of Entertainment Weekly names Peter Jackson as one of the top directors of the decade. The accompanying photo is from Lovely Bones, and it is of PJ lugging a RED on a tripod...






real name Bill McCarty

[Julien Deka]

Just saw it last night at the Groove (LA), and it was outstanding. This movie is a masterpiece...

From a technologic point of view, I thought that the macro shots were having a very "video" look, and I was a bit afraid to learn it was RED... But it wasn't make sense to me after all this shot-on-RED-movies that I've seen on theater...

Then I checked imdb and saw that there was some HDCAM SR shots in it... And now, I've been confirmed that those shots were made with the iconix, thanks to redusers forum!

Anyway, this movie is not about technology. It's an intense, emotional piece of art, and a great lesson on how to narrate a story.

I haven't seen something that moved me to that point since a while...

[James Mixon]

Just saw it last night at the Groove (LA), and it was outstanding. This movie is a masterpiece...

From a technologic point of view, I thought that the macro shots were having a very "video" look, and I was a bit afraid to learn it was RED... But it wasn't make sense to me after all this shot-on-RED-movies that I've seen on theater...

Then I checked imdb and saw that there was some HDCAM SR shots in it... And now, I've been confirmed that those shots were made with the iconix, thanks to redusers forum!

Anyway, this movie is not about technology. It's an intense, emotional piece of art, and a great lesson on how to narrate a story.

I haven't seen something that moved me to that point since a while...Did you and I see the same movie? The special effects were absolutely laughable. From the shores of "heaven" to the falling body at the end of the film, the entire thing was a joke. Having put out Avatar, Weta should be ashamed of how this film looks. That and the movie was terrible and Jackson's filmmaking was horrifying.

[Julien Deka]

In french we have an expression : "les goûts et les couleurs..."

means "tastes and colors...", means everyone perceive stuff differently, according to his own feeling...

I'm agree to say that the VFXs of Avatar are bringing the game to another level, but as a story, the Cameron movie did not moved me as the Jackson 's one did...

[Jake Bastian]

Did you and I see the same movie? The special effects were absolutely laughable. From the shores of "heaven" to the falling body at the end of the film, the entire thing was a joke. Having put out Avatar, Weta should be ashamed of how this film looks. That and the movie was terrible and Jackson's filmmaking was horrifying.

It seems you're working on a film now. Perhaps you'll be so magnanimous as to post it when you're done to show us all your version of good film making.

[Michael Moreno]

In french we have an expression : "les goûts et les couleurs..."

means "tastes and colors...", means everyone perceive stuff differently, according to his own feeling...

I'm agree to say that the VFXs of Avatar are bringing the game to another level, but as a story, the Cameron movie did not moved me as the Jackson 's one did...

I agree with Julien
The lovely bones is a preferred taste for me
and I thought it perfect except for the last kiss and falling safe
and Avatar I thought there was so much that could have been
and should have been done differently.
But as Julien stated
to each his own
This is a thing I learned only this year
I am 28
I always said how can people like this!! angrily.
Then I let go ; )
I like what I like
I let them like what they like
But we do have to draw the line somewhere :emote_whack:
I draw that line with movies like "Legion"
I dont know how it got made
isnt there a ton of people writeing more complex stories that are riseing
to the top of the pile???
guess not.
peace

[Rob Ruffo]

My Sources say Peter will shoot nothing other than RED soon.

Work flow issues (last year) and studio concerns slowed him up and so him and his team decided to go Film for now.

But you can garrantee, he weill be RED in the future now that work flow will be sorted soon with AVID.

People keep telling me about Avid issues, but really, is it more trouble to render out some intermediate, Avid-friendly files from Red with timecode than to one-light transfer intermediate files from film with timecode? I feel I'm missing something.

[Rob Ruffo]

In french we have an expression : "les goûts et les couleurs..."

means "tastes and colors...", means everyone perceive stuff differently, according to his own feeling...

I'm agree to say that the VFXs of Avatar are bringing the game to another level, but as a story, the Cameron movie did not moved me as the Jackson 's one did...

My tastes are different. I thought Avatar had a beautiful and inspiring message about respecting what is unique and wonderful in other cultures, and against the Bush-era attitude. I kept thinking about how they allowed the Baghdad museum to be looted. They didn't bother sending a single tank to protect it - all they cared about was their own version of Unobtanium.

Lovely Bones wasn't really about much, I felt, in the end, at least not about anything that resonated deeply with me. Yes, a touching story, but what was the message? Again, personal taste: We Canadians love our preachy messages - for proof see the last 40 years of our films :-)

[Marc Wielage]

Did you and I see the same movie? The special effects were absolutely laughable. From the shores of "heaven" to the falling body at the end of the film, the entire thing was a joke. Having put out Avatar, Weta should be ashamed of how this film looks. That and the movie was terrible and Jackson's filmmaking was horrifying.
I don't think I'd go that far. I read the novel, which is very subtle, very poetic, and the sort of thing that's very hard to capture on screen. I thought Jackson made some very good choices -- particularly to eliminate the dozens of flashbacks and to change the structure, which tells the story over a decade-long period of time.

I think the film's core problem is that it's a very downer idea that isn't commercial. Jackson got slammed by some critics because he shied away from the novel's grimmer elements (like the rape and murder in the opening chapter), but I gotta say, even Jackson's commercial failures are more interesting that a lot of other filmmakers' successes. Definitely a brave choice, and there's some striking, haunting images throughout the production.

[conrad gaunt]

Forget 8K, I'll take 12+ stops of DR and a native 800 ISO.

I thought we were going to 28k?

..It'll settle for 13.5+ stops of DR at 5K..

[Andrew Rieger]

My tastes are different. I thought Avatar had a beautiful and inspiring message about respecting what is unique and wonderful in other cultures, and against the Bush-era attitude. I kept thinking about how they allowed the Baghdad museum to be looted. They didn't bother sending a single tank to protect it - all they cared about was their own version of Unobtanium.

Funny, thats exactly what I hated about the film. To each is own.

[Joe G.]

"[Peter Jackson] said there are around 20-30 Red shots in movie "

I thought the whole thing was supposed to be Red? Now I don't know what to think.

The obvious follow up question for Jackson: WHY were there only 20-30 Red shots? What was lacking?

[Gabe Conroy]

"[Peter Jackson] said there are around 20-30 Red shots in movie "

I thought the whole thing was supposed to be Red? Now I don't know what to think.

The obvious follow up question for Jackson: WHY were there only 20-30 Red shots? What was lacking?

Most of the movie was shot in the states (Pennsylvania I think) before the Red One was quite in a condition for a large scale production. The effects stuff they did later in New Zealand was on Red though. The Lovely Bones had a really long post, so actual production was quite a while ago.

[Erik Franzén]

Finally got to see this masterpiece after a long wait. It was well worth it.
In my humble opinion the cinematography was outstanding and the story was both well executed and well paced. Frankly, the only complaint I have is that they translated the title in my country - and imho, that's pretty much nonsensical :beer: