Right Angle Mini-XLR

[zak forrest]

Where can I find these?

[Finner]

See Brook's Ergonomics thread. Add your support to his Input/Output suggestions for the Epic.

I know this does not help your imediate problem but if red maked these changes it will be appreciated by yourself and many others.

[Wes Printz]

Nowhere. They do not exist. See the Switchcraft page on the TINI Q-G

http://www.switchcraft.com/products/connectors-23.html

[zak forrest]

Oh my god are you serious?

There has to be some kind of solution. It's SO bad for the mini plug to be stickin out the side of the cam like this. What about some kind of break-out box for the audio section of the cam that isn't a nightmare in size like the Toys4Red box?

A breakout box that still keeps the Mini-XLR just points them down or somewhere else thats along the camera body so they don't stick out.

[zak forrest]

I can't believe everything isn't in right angles, how did that slip by? Power cable, sound, and BNC...

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Nowhere. They do not exist. See the Switchcraft page on the TINI Q-G

http://www.switchcraft.com/products/connectors-23.html

Hi Panatech welcome back.

Can they be made you think?

Maybe you could?


Fredrik Callinggard

[Nick Gardner]

Check this out:
http://www.toys4red.com/product_info.php?products_id=35

[Andrew M.]

If you have camera on your shoulder just put mike on the same side as connectors are.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5139&d=1211506880
Andrew

[zak forrest]

The Toys4Red box is too big for me. I just want the Mini-XLR along the body, not sticking out getting snagged/broken. I want to grip the camera body however I want, I hate when my hand touches that tiny mini-XLR sticking out along the side, the worst..

Andrew that looks nice but not for my needs.. I'm looking for SLIM as possible

[C.H.Haskell]

Hey Zak, I agree the break out boxes are just too big that I have seen. AllStar made a decent break out for his XLR that I am looking for something similar.

I would like have a small full size XLR break out that can clamp to the rails above the mini Xlr inputs...anyone forward me someone who can build this for me, I am in NYC.

Cheers

[ALLSTAR]

Ok Ok...I think I can make some low pirce "audio box" for guys,but will be "homemade" type,I don`t want to expend too much time and energy.
So, who want this?
http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/p/IMG_9011.jpg
$1949...no +48...ouch:shiftyph34r:

[Mark Pedersen]

Hey Zak, I agree the break out boxes are just too big that I have seen. AllStar made a decent break out for his XLR that I am looking for something similar.

I would like have a small full size XLR break out that can clamp to the rails above the mini Xlr inputs...anyone forward me someone who can build this for me, I am in NYC.

Cheers


Hey ET!

Steve, here's another opportunity for you guys. Simple. Easy. Quick.

Maybe 4 inputs?

M

[zak forrest]

I'm interested in something homemade, it doesn't matter to me as long as it does what I want.

I need something that has Right Angle Mini-XLR going directly out of the red camera, it could go into a box but I don't see why. I just want my cables alongside the body, not perpendicular to the body. I would maybe cover them up with gaff tape or something afterwards so that audio would be going into the camera but I could still grip the camera BODY and not snag anything or have a mini-xlr getting in the way of my hand...

[zak forrest]

Would the SDK make it possible to do a RIGHT ANGLE USB cable going out the cam and into a tiny box you could put anywhere that would have mini-xlrs going into it? THAT would be nice, if right angle mini xlrs are impossible to make.. I just want nothing jutting out the side of the cam. nothing. no power, no audio, no bnc, no nothing. i want it all going along side the camera body, as brook says, it should be like this anyways...

[Philippe Vandendriessche]

You are reinventing the double system! A camera is a camera and the sound is so easy with a separate sound recorder!

[zak forrest]

INDEED sound is easy with a second recorder.

Sound is not easy with a second recorder when doing a one-man-band documentary with only yourself operating camera. Which is fine as is, with a camera mounted mike and sometimes wireless lavs, I just hate the cable sticking out the side of the camera and getting in the way of my hands, which I think I've described already a few times in this thread...

[C.H.Haskell]

I do AllStar, I Pmed you already. ET, Kurt and brothers....? Anyone want to make a clamp on full size break out for channel 1&2 ?

[Brian Timmons]

Anyone want to make a clamp on full size break out for channel 1&2 ?


I would also be interested in such a device. An audio box that's small and light weight with the ability to mount where ever you need it. Clamp on ability and the option to mount it to the Universal mount, RED handle, or top Cheese plate, etc would also be nice.

This device would be geared towards the needs of the ENG/EFP or Run and Gun style production where mobility and simplicity is paramount.

Phantom power could be nice but, given RED ONE's strengths, LINE LEVEL is a must.

If a potentiometer or two can be added this would deal with a lot of basic audio concerns people have with the RED.

Yes, I'm in the market for something like this.

Brian

[T. Glen Phelps]

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/mx2master.htm

[Brian Timmons]

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/mx2master.htm

Good point Glen.

I did take a look at the MixPre once before but I wasn't too convinced it could be mounted anywhere on the RED. I would consider checking it out again now that I actually have my RED.

Do you have any experience using the MixPre in the situations described above? Thanks.

Brian

[Ed Watkins]

Just a quick question, are people building a resistor into the audio pathways of these break out boxes, like REDs mini-XLR cables have?

If not, that could cause problems if phantom power is accidentally enabled. The RED inputs are hot, and I was told by a RED team member that the resistor is there to help stop the audio board from breaking if phantom power is enabled, and the line level in peaks too high from the source.
Although build 16 may or may not have solved this...

[Brian Timmons]

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/mx2master.htm




Good point Glen.

I did take a look at the MixPre once before but I wasn't too convinced it could be mounted anywhere on the RED.


After thinking about it, a U grip fastening box (http://ugrip.bellcom.dk/catalog/fastening-box-c-2.html) might be a very nice way of adapting a MixPre to a RED.

Between the line out, pots, phantom power, test tone, meters, and limiter this may be a decent solution.

If this could be powered off the D-tap this might really work well.

Thanks again for the suggestion.
Brian

[Joe Bruncsak]

FYI, we've had success using the MixPre on our shoots. Fits the bill quite nicely. For the time being we're just gaff taping it to our cheese plate atop the cam, but we're working on a more elegant solution to mount it on the side of the cam.

Cheers,

--Joe

[Brian Timmons]

FYI, we've had success using the MixPre on our shoots. Fits the bill quite nicely. For the time being we're just gaff taping it to our cheese plate atop the cam, but we're working on a more elegant solution to mount it on the side of the cam.

Cheers,

--Joe

This is good to hear Joe. Have you done handheld work with it gaff taped like that? Also, how was it managing the cables in that setup?

Brian

[Joe Bruncsak]

Brian, we have not used it for hand held yet and the cabling is cumbersome, but manageable (usually we use just one channel from our mini-shotgun mic mounted on the cam, sometimes we augment that with a wireless receiver on Ch 2).

We are looking to devise a solution that will mount the MixPre alongside the right side of the cam where all the ports are, we're not really too concerned about blocking the USB ports (Why are they there anyway? What were they to be used for?). When we figure something out, we'll share our solution here on RedUser.

Anyway, that said, the MixPre has done very well giving us great sound and phantom power for our mics, providing confidence monitoring with it's bright LEDs and ability to monitor audio via the phones output of the RED and of course trim audio with the audio pots. Plus it's very solidly built. I think it's a great solution for audio and you won't regret the purchase.

Coming from the TV world, I now appreciate the built-in convenience that video cams offer. Don't get me wrong, I love the images from the RED, but once we load it up for EFP shooting, I'm always struck by how much stuff it attached to the outside of the cam, boxes attached, cables everywhere turning the compact little RED body into quite the beast!

Cheers,

--Joe

[Brian Timmons]

Brian, we have not used it for hand held yet and the cabling is cumbersome, but manageable (usually we use just one channel from our mini-shotgun mic mounted on the cam, sometimes we augment that with a wireless receiver on Ch 2).

We are looking to devise a solution that will mount the MixPre alongside the right side of the cam where all the ports are, we're not really too concerned about blocking the USB ports (Why are they there anyway? What were they to be used for?). When we figure something out, we'll share our solution here on RedUser.

Anyway, that said, the MixPre has done very well giving us great sound and phantom power for our mics, providing confidence monitoring with it's bright LEDs and ability to monitor audio via the phones output of the RED and of course trim audio with the audio pots. Plus it's very solidly built. I think it's a great solution for audio and you won't regret the purchase.

Coming from the TV world, I now appreciate the built-in convenience that video cams offer. Don't get me wrong, I love the images from the RED, but once we load it up for EFP shooting, I'm always struck by how much stuff it attached to the outside of the cam, boxes attached, cables everywhere turning the compact little RED body into quite the beast!

Cheers,

--Joe

Thanks again for the info Joe. Very useful. Nice to know that the cable situation is at least manageable. Once you have everything ready your camera resembles something different than what you see in the brochures. Of course that's the result of technology meeting the increasing demands of modern production.

I've been giving the MixPre another thought after You and Glen's quick mention of it.

I think I'm going to continue looking into something like the U-Grip to see if that may be an effective mount. The U-Grip model for the Firestore drive seems like it may be a good match. The Mix-Pre and the Firestore FS-4 are apparently quite similar in size and dimension. We'll see how it goes. Please share if you can come up with something. I think this is going to be a growing issue as more RED cameras are out in the world.

Brian

[zak forrest]

U GRIP or ABEL should really find out what works best with the mix pre and post it. U GRIP would make some money for sure from a lot of Redusers if they said what worked best with mix pre etc...

[Brian Timmons]

U GRIP or ABEL should really find out what works best with the mix pre and post it. U GRIP would make some money for sure from a lot of Redusers if they said what worked best with mix pre etc...

True, there input would be nice. The one potential problem with this U Grip setup is it may make access to the pots and other switches difficult.

Of course, the pots can be kept at a set level where the RED can be used to control audio levels. Not as intuitive though workable.

Brian

[Rich330]

I have posted these pics before. My brother built this box for us which is mounted on the side handle. I use a second side handle close to the mini XLR connections to protect the fragile mini XLR males. I'm not sure if he is interested in building more but can ask.

Richard

www.zigzagfilms.com6312

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[zak forrest]

I'll pay BIG BUCKS for a RIGHT ANGLE MINI XLR.

With my config, my right hand and arm is always CRUSHING the mini-xlr cable sticking out. It's uncomfortable, and it's going to break eventually.

I never do more than two channels so I don't care if it blocks the other mini-xlr inputs.

Someone come to my rescue :help:

[Joel Kaye]

I'll pay BIG BUCKS for a RIGHT ANGLE MINI XLR.

With my config, my right hand and arm is always CRUSHING the mini-xlr cable sticking out. It's uncomfortable, and it's going to break eventually.

I never do more than two channels so I don't care if it blocks the other mini-xlr inputs.

Someone come to my rescue :help:

You could take apart a standard mini xlr connector and just take the actual pin portion out, solder the wires at right angle, insert into RED and gaff tape over it. That probably the slimmest solution at the moment.

[Mike Prevette]

or just drill a hole in the side of the miniXLR cable, and grind off the excess.

[Wes Printz]

You could take apart a standard mini xlr connector and just take the actual pin portion out, solder the wires at right angle, insert into RED and gaff tape over it. That probably the slimmest solution at the moment.

Reminds me of a request I had one time from a Steadicam op... "Can you make a camera power cable, remove the outer sheath, and the shells of the LEMOs? I want this to be as light as possible".

Told him I would not make such an unreliable cable.

[Anthony S. Lenzo]

We've made them for our break-out panel along with a right angle 5 pin audio.