Nothing but problems on set of a Music video. [Archive]

BigLu

07-12-2008, 04:50 PM

First off I am a huge supporter of RED and the camera.
I love the RED ONE when its friendly.
experience
I have D.I.T., Camera operated, color corrected and work flowed for features, several music videos, and shorts.
So I am not a novice by any means.

How ever I was just KILLED on set using build 16.
This week and Last week.
I will talk about this weeks experience.

equipment
2 Red Cameras
music video

artist
2 Grammy award winning artist 11 grammys between the both of them.
Big time DP
His first time working with the RED camera.
So I did my best to make it as painless as possible.

But we experienced once problem after another, I have never had this many problems in such a short time on set.

A: cam fine with minimal problems things I was able to fix on the fly.
Until we plugged in the new remote stop cable by RED.
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
THAT SCREWED EVERYTHING UP! turn it into burst mode and took us multiple times re-boot re-restroing the setting and fudging with it to get it back on track. And then the power stayed stuck on DC while we only used batteries.

B: cam would not boot up more then half the time THIS WAS SO FRUSTRATING AND just horrible.
Then once we did get it to boot up we it would work for 30 seconds maybe less and then freeze show a picture but not allow us to do anything. Record or change menus.
I attempted multiple times to reinstall the Build 16.
And it never successfully found the install.
CF card and or SD card.
Had the rental company replace the camera ASAP.

Then with new camera threwout the day would give us multiple booting issues and would stay stuck in record mode when using CF cards.
The record button would not work and would not allow us to stop recording.
Our only choice to regain any control of the camera was to force boot it off.
And we lost that shot.
It was just a complete mess. Mostly In front of the DP.

He always kept his cool. Until we held up the shots.
So it was a matter of changing out the cameras back and fourth.
Restricting us to 1 camera often.

Like i said I love this camera But DAMN!!!
Im getting killed and to make matters worst we were in a location with no service so tech support was not an option.

Totally scrambling to stableize this.

Fredrik Callinggard

07-12-2008, 05:00 PM

Im feeling you! Been there, done that and hopefully not doing it tomorrow

Fredrik Callinggard

Dylan Macleod, CSC

07-12-2008, 05:07 PM

Once again...beta build on a professional set. NOT COOL!

Your brand new cable...on a professional set. Did you test it before you showed up? NOT COOL!

It is these kinds of things that KILLS all the rest of us who test our gear and don't use BETA builds on professional shoots.

STOP IT!

Dylan "still on build 15" Macleod
Cinematographer
Toronto, Canada
www.dylanmacleod.com

Tai Wah Lim

07-12-2008, 05:09 PM

A: cam fine with minimal problems things I was able to fix on the fly.
Until we plugged in the new remote stop cable by RED.
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
THAT SCREWED EVERYTHING UP! turn it into burst mode and took us multiple times re-boot re-restroing the setting and fudging with it to get it back on track. And then the power stayed stuck on DC while we only used batteries.

BigLu, I share your frustration. Just check again at the Red Store and could not find the "new remote stop cable by RED". Are you sure you got this from RED or someone told you that the cable is from RED? Lim

Gunleik Groven

07-12-2008, 05:10 PM

I feel for you- and as far as I read your post, you rented cams with build 16. That's odd...

Build 16 and workflow is currently a long way from 15 when it comes to stability. Reason for me to upgrade is basically that I have some time with more flexible shoots, and I need to familiarize myself with the build (and the bugs) for a number of reasons. So far it's been, interesting... But that's only because of the non-missioncritical nature of what I've been doing.

But things seem to be moving in the right direction, and there's a couple of key concepts in there that are very good and will make life easier.

The disability to safely downgrade, is not one of them...

Raul Gonzo

07-12-2008, 05:18 PM

I too am sorry to hear your misfortune-
I could not find the remote you speak of from red.
I know that there was one in development from some 3rd party companies but I didn't know any were shipped.
Is red "certifying" 3rd party equipment? It would be good to have a list of what is "certified" and what isn't.

Pawel Achtel

07-12-2008, 05:32 PM

cam fine with minimal problems things I was able to fix on the fly.
Until we plugged in the new remote stop cable by RED.
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
THAT SCREWED EVERYTHING UP!

Can you elaborate about this "new remote stop cable"?

Yannick Sadler

07-12-2008, 06:07 PM

I'm very sorry for you and hope everything goes well, but I agree with dmacleod, using a beta build on a production of that kind is a big NO-NO. I would also question the decision of the rental house to rent that kind of setup knowing the project you were doing.

Would you accept to rent a film camera it the rental house was saying to you: "We've got some cool new magazines for the camera. We don't know yet if they leak light. Do you want them on your set?". I think the answer is pretty obvious.

If you really need something from B16, at least have a B cam on the set with B15.

BigLu

07-12-2008, 06:18 PM

I just found out that I should not have spoken about that.
That is my fault for not knowing.
And i apologize about the remote start stop cable.

I take full blame.

I MADE IT UP.

Noah Kadner

07-12-2008, 07:30 PM

I just found out that I should not have spoken about that.
That is my fault for not knowing.
And i apologize about the remote start stop cable.

I take full blame.

I MADE IT UP.

whaaa?

-Noah

Mark Crabtree

07-12-2008, 07:51 PM

Also still on 15.

philastbury

07-12-2008, 07:53 PM

??????????????????????????? Made it up ???????????????????

Zakaree Sandberg

07-12-2008, 07:59 PM

got the email of death

David Battistella

07-12-2008, 08:00 PM

got the email of death

Who did?

d

The 24 hour rule should have been used in this case.

Andrew M.

07-12-2008, 08:04 PM

Using two cameras on the important shots, very smart.

We always take spare body only, even for simple shots.
You never know who and what will screw the perfect hardware.

We already used the spare twice, each time we figured out the problem later back in the shop so no RED support was needed. You know, bad connections, misswiring, broken pin on the cable or batteries, bad CF card etc.

Once you see one camera working in the same config you just do binary search by swapping working with not working item.
How good that RED is modular.

Pawel Achtel

07-12-2008, 10:30 PM

I just found out that I should not have spoken about that.
That is my fault for not knowing.
And i apologize about the remote start stop cable.

I take full blame.

I MADE IT UP.

Huh?

This was a very angry account of a complaint. Such messages are not taken kindly here. If you have a genuine problem, by all means post technical and relevant details along with accurate description - anything that would be useful in reproducing, diagnosing and fixing the problem. There are many knowledgable and experienced users on this forum happy to help, not to mention outstanding Red support team.
Vented frustrations serve no purpose. Now you are telling us that you "made it up" .

Sorry, no compassion or assistance from here :sick: The only suggestion is that you rent a different brand of camera for your next shoot.

Ramesh Jai

07-13-2008, 01:50 AM

I just found out that I should not have spoken about that.
That is my fault for not knowing.
And i apologize about the remote start stop cable.

I take full blame.

I MADE IT UP.
I was actually feeling very sorry for you when I read your original post and now you are saying you made it up?

Which part did you make up?

Michael Dorn

07-13-2008, 01:57 AM

I will try to take a bit of the heat out. Obviously BigLu is not a native english speaker (me too). As far as I interpret his posts he wnted to say that the start-stop cable was a homemade one. That may be the reason for the malfunction. So he made the cable (up) and not the story. I do believe that he had problems but it seems that they were homemade. So he apologized in his second post for blaming the camera.

Maybe I'm totally wrong with my interpretation but thats how I read it.

Fredrik Callinggard

07-13-2008, 01:59 AM

Guys he hardly made it up. The post was way to elaborate for that and why would BigLu suddenly change after all this time and do something that silly.

In his post he fucked up, he talked about things he was not suppose to.

Edit: Or Micael above me could be right, either or it doesn't matter he wasn't trying to bad mouth RED.
We need to stop this silliness as soon as someone says something negative about RED or his language is a little off. We need to become ZEN like hahahahahha. That's the way we let RED conquer the world hahahah.

Fredrik Callinggard

Martin Weiss

07-13-2008, 03:57 AM

We need to become ZEN like hahahahahha.

Truly spoken!

(I also had the impression that Luis was told to retract his/her story.)

Gunleik Groven

07-13-2008, 04:09 AM

Lu

In case that s the uíssue, just edit your original post...

Harry Clark

07-13-2008, 06:22 AM

I interpreted it as him testing out a Red-branded start/stop cable that's not yet a "real" product (or that the cable, like everyone else's was a custom job, and he made up the part about it being a Red product)
Either way, I don't think he meant to say the entire post was made up.
BigLu, I feel for you man. Under the gun is no way to go through a job.
Just FYI, my remote start/stop (capably made by Pana-Tech) worked flawlessly on Build 13. In 15, it (very) occasionally either does not work or puts the camera in BURST (yes I know which one to plug it in) It's so rare I hesitated to post a complaint, but perhaps this problem persists in 16.
Cheers,
Harry

Stuart English

07-13-2008, 06:43 AM

Joe D'Arcy

07-13-2008, 07:00 AM

BigLu -Next time use the 'Cone of silence' when discussing top secret information.

Fredrik Callinggard

07-13-2008, 09:07 AM

BigLu -Next time use the 'Cone of silence' when discussing top secret information.

Maybe he was, he was just not pushing down the button hard enough :)

Greg M

07-13-2008, 10:22 AM

seems like someone failed to prep his gear before his shoot....a critical oversight.
Who was your AC, and why didnt he test the gear before it went out?

This should go in the "I DIDNT PREP AND PLUGGED IN A FUCKED UP CABLE" or the "DONT USE THIS RENTAL HOUSE" threads...not the "COMPLAINT DEPARTMENT" thread.

Stephen Williams

07-13-2008, 11:13 AM

got the email of death

Hi Zakaree,

I often get them after posting too!:matrix:

Stephen

Casey Green

07-13-2008, 11:35 AM

Sorry to hear your trouble, but I have to agree that using build 16 (beta) on a Pro shoot was a poor choice.

If the Camera was provided by the rental house this way, then they are partly to blame... but you have been in this community for a while, and it surprises me that you would not be aware that build 15 is the release build.

Sounds like perhaps the Cameras were issued to you with 16, but that this was not checked ahead of time.

As far as the remote start / stop goes, all accessories (especially ones that deal with power or I/O connections) should be tested well ahead of time.

Again, sorry to hear about your problems during the shoot, but unfortunately for you, I think most of it could have been avoided. If we can help you prep in the future, please feel free to ask, and I'm sure everyone here would be happy to give advice.

Brent J. Craig

07-14-2008, 12:14 PM

Just to make sure we understand the nature of any issues ...

The function of the upper and lower GPIO ports are programmable in the PREFERENCES menu. As default the upper connector is RECORD start / stop, the lower is Timelapse (labeled as BURST) record start / next frame record.

In other words, one of the MAJOR issues in Big Lu's post was caused by operator error.

When you plug something into the wrong port and it causes unexpected behavior, I wouldn't call it the camera's fault.

The 50 foot on off remote I built works perfectly (when plugged into the correct port.)

Beta build on what sounds like a huge shoot? Inexcusable! What should have been a beta report instead was presented as "your camera ruined our shoot"! Not cool.

Jens Jakob Thorsen

07-14-2008, 12:33 PM

got the email of death

Please elaborate!!!!

best JJ

conrad gaunt

07-14-2008, 05:02 PM

Or a combination of hahahahahah and ahahahahaha ...

ericyoung

07-14-2008, 05:32 PM

Sorry to hear your trouble, but I have to agree that using build 16 (beta) on a Pro shoot was a poor choice...

Except that you can' t go back to Build 15 after upgrading to 16, so all rental houses should think twice before upgrading to Build 16 before it becomes a Release build! Otherwise, renters might get stung by a bug, although the current build of 16 appears to be much more stable.

Andrew Benz

07-14-2008, 11:28 PM

What a bizarre ass thread.

But there was some "good to know" info from Stuart in the mix.

The "e-mail of death", Wow. It's like "Big Foot", you hear stories about it...

Joe D'Arcy

07-15-2008, 01:14 AM

Please elaborate!!!!

best JJ

'Jens you are pushing it again' "I'll assume its the language barrier" 'I don't want to have to ban you for 24 hours" "Now go to your room"

Yours truly

Jarred's mother

Fredrik Callinggard

07-15-2008, 01:58 AM

'Jens you are pushing it again' "I'll assume its the language barrier" 'I don't want to have to ban you for 24 hours" "Now go to your room"

Yours truly

Jarred's mother

Actually he's grounded for a week, but he still sneaks out.

Zakaree Sandberg

07-15-2008, 07:30 PM

Please elaborate!!!!

best JJ

it was a JOKE!:)

Joe D'Arcy

07-16-2008, 02:02 AM

it was a JOKE!:)

There is nothing funny about the 'email of death' nor is there anything funny about revealing inhouse secrets without using the 'cone of silence.'
And there is absolutely NOTHING funny about sneaking out after you've been grounded!!
Dumkoff. You can go to your room as well.

Yours truly,

Jarred's mother

Brent J. Craig

07-16-2008, 06:41 PM

The really ironic part is that the original poster has put up a thread today saying he wants to buy a Red One. I guess the experience wasn't all that traumatic after all.

Michael Thornton

07-17-2008, 03:10 AM

The elephant in the room here.

Stop the Political Correct BS stuff here, there was a screw up.

The one who decide to go beta on a pro job.

Why?
Why?
Why?

Why did you used a beta build on a high profile pro job?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15064&highlight=build

Who was your DIT - Dabbling Idiot Tech

I am sorry but the I pin the donkey tail on you.

Tek

Michael Thornton

07-17-2008, 03:16 AM

The really ironic part is that the original poster has put up a thread today saying he wants to buy a Red One. I guess the experience wasn't all that traumatic after all.

He is also a web master, and graphic artist.

http://www.redicecream.com/

He is also a COLORIST.

Hummm...

Tek

Michael Thornton

07-17-2008, 03:46 AM

David Birdy

07-17-2008, 04:23 AM

This post get me steaming...

??? "Nothing but problems on set of a Music video." ???

Why is it in the complaint area?

We need an IO "Idiot Operators" comments room.

Beta = Test and report bugs and problems.

Beta = NOT TO BE USED IN PRODUCTIONS

:-(

Tek

Agreed...maybe a newbe post area, or operator error thread.

Red cameras don't kill shoots, non-pros kill shoots!

Prep your gear, don't use new software releases, (from any company)!

Don't give the Red community a bad name, many have worked very hard to offer a "Revolutionary product" Learn it, live it, or leave it to the pro's!

These types of threads really get me steamed, sorry for the rant!

Dave

David Morgan

07-17-2008, 06:29 AM

Agreed...maybe a newbe post area,
Dave

Man, I would love this...I've been reading this forum for months now, and I still feel a little overwhelmed trying to find things. I do know its made me more knowledgeable; now I just need to figure out what questions to ask.

Bret Weeks

07-17-2008, 09:37 PM

No beta builds, huh? I'm not arguing safety or conservatism, but we roll high profile shoots on beta builds nearly every day. Budgets in excess of $50 - 80K.

In fact, I don't think we've used a release build since #9 - the important thing is to carry a spare or have access to one if necessary, and keeping the producer / DP / Director informed that a beta-release is what you're using.

Historically, our clients have understood any issue, and we've been completely upfront about the risks vs. rewards.

They appreciate the rewards, thats for sure.

As a matter of fact, a national DP in our studio recently forced another camera rental house to upgrade to 16 based on our show and tell, and threatened to drop the rental if they didn't.

Just got off the phone with post in LA and everything looks perfect.

That makes 45 shows or so.... Lucky? Perhaps.

Matthew W. Phillips

07-17-2008, 10:01 PM

Once again...beta build on a professional set. NOT COOL!

You have to ask yourself fellow, if your build 15 is so great, why is there a build 16?

Just a thought.

Matthew W. Phillips

07-17-2008, 10:02 PM

This post get me steaming...

??? "Nothing but problems on set of a Music video." ???

Why is it in the complaint area?

We need an IO "Idiot Operators" comments room.

Beta = Test and report bugs and problems.

Beta = NOT TO BE USED IN PRODUCTIONS

:-(

Tek

So your telling me that someone should not use there 17,500 camera on a pro shoot? What is it...an expensive paper weight?

Ruairi Robinson

07-17-2008, 11:25 PM

This post get me steaming...

??? "Nothing but problems on set of a Music video." ???

Why is it in the complaint area?

We need an IO "Idiot Operators" comments room.

Beta = Test and report bugs and problems.

Beta = NOT TO BE USED IN PRODUCTIONS

:-(

Tek

In another thread someone who was about to go on a shoot posted this question:

I have a shoot coming up in a week. Should I upgrade to B 16 or hold off since I assume it will still be in beta a week from now? Or should I just wait and see?

Jim Jannards response:

If I were you (I am not)... I would make the leap to build 16 as quickly as possible to make sure I was comfortable with the changes before a big shoot. You won't ever want to go back. The only question is whether or not you will have enough time to get used to how it all works.

Jim

Perhaps you should stop attacking customers who listen to the advice of the guy that owns the fucking company.

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 12:18 AM

Perhaps you should stop attacking customers who listen to the advice of the guy that owns the fucking company.

Perhaps you should stop...the fucking.

LOL

I can be selective also.

Note: RED does not recommend using Build 16 on commercial productions until the formal release of this firmware at the conclusion of the beta test cycles.

http://www.red.com/support/release_history/7

I am sorry for your selective handicap reading abilities.

Please read the official note, or maybe you can call your lawyer to read it for you.

The End

Tek

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 12:34 AM

As a matter of fact, a national DP in our studio recently forced another camera rental house to upgrade to 16 based on our show and tell, and threatened to drop the rental if they didn't.

I am so glad he did that because we all know where the fingers pointing will end up.

Budgets in excess of $50 - 80K.

I sorry for your budget, but that won't even buy lunches on some of my shoot.

For the leading edge, I am on it.

You sir are on the bleeding edge.

Don't be confused.

Tek

Matthew W. Phillips

07-18-2008, 12:35 AM

Please read the official note, or maybe you can call your lawyer to read it for you.

Wow, the arrogance of some of you. The fellow that started this topic is a pro who managed to get a gig with 2 Grammy winners on a shoot and Ruairi is an Oscar nominated filmmaker who is in pre-production of a major feature project. How dare you imply that people are not competent. I am starting to feel more and more that the people who are critizing those with problems are just jealous that they aren't landing the kind of projects that some others are. That is life...no use getting mad about it. Maybe if you'd make positive relationships then you might get better gigs. This whole business is about relationships. As much as you might like a camera production company, they aren't going to be the ones to hire you for a major shoot or give you funding for your film. You need to consider the people that may be able to do something for you in the future.

Matthew W. Phillips

07-18-2008, 12:40 AM

I sorry for your budget, but that won't even buy lunches on some of my shoot.

See, this is BS and you know it. Look at David Mullen...he is actually a top level Cinematographer and you don't see him up here acting classless talking about the shoots he's been on. A true successful person doesn't talk about their success, they let others do it. Ruairi and I haven't always saw eye to eye but I have never seen him up here bragging about landing Akira or anything else. Sure he jokes about the Oscar nod but I don't believe he's said he's more "prestigious" than anyone or any of that nonsense. This post right here shows exactly how insecure you are.

Shawn Booth

07-18-2008, 12:50 AM

Perhaps if you find yourself posting ridicules and criticizing people during your post, you should hold off, log out of the forum, step away from your computer and chill out.

You aren't helping anyone or anything.

BTW - After nine years of working on set, I have never had the pleasure of being fed a lunch that cost anywhere near $50K. This is unrealistic, even for "National Treasure".

Sounds like the unreal edge.

Someone close this thread.

Rick Darge

07-18-2008, 12:54 AM

I like soup

Ruairi Robinson

07-18-2008, 12:55 AM

I think everyone needs to stop what they are doing and watch this right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 01:11 AM

Wow, the arrogance of some of you. The fellow that started this topic is a pro who managed to get a gig with 2 Grammy winners on a shoot and Ruairi is an Oscar nominated filmmaker who is in pre-production of a major feature project. How dare you imply that people are not competent. I am starting to feel more and more that the people who are critizing those with problems are just jealous that they aren't landing the kind of projects that some others are. That is life...no use getting mad about it. Maybe if you'd make positive relationships then you might get better gigs. This whole business is about relationships. As much as you might like a camera production company, they aren't going to be the ones to hire you for a major shoot or give you funding for your film. You need to consider the people that may be able to do something for you in the future.

Matthew W. - Junior Member

You are so right.

Yup, it's the relationships.

Do you think those 2 Grammy winner are going to work with him again?

My clients love me because I won't allow for that kind of unnecessary risks.

The reason clients hire Pros DIT(s) are for the unknown factors that they don't know, other wise they don't need you.

They expect us to know the bugs, and not learn on their dimes.

Learn on your own dimes and times.

Tek

P. S. about
BTW - After nine years of working on set, I have never had the pleasure of being fed a lunch that cost anywhere near $50K. This is unrealistic, even for "National Treasure". I was talking about total lunches budget not one day.

LOL

Matthew W. Phillips

07-18-2008, 01:36 AM

Matthew W. - Junior Member...
...Tek...

...P. S. about I was talking about total lunches budget not one day.

LOL

Ok, as far as my name and Member status here, how is that relevant? I don't post here much because I'm not a RED owner. I more come here to add some perspective to the "owner gets bashed for problems with cameras they buy" conversations. It gets old, it really does. Sure some people make user errors but there comes a time when you have to get real. I don't see libraries of threads dedicated to people complaining about malfunctions of their Arriflex 35 or Mitchell 35. Tells me that there might be something to the posts.

I'd like to add that I find it interesting that you can be so free with your tongue when you don't even post your real name. We have no way to know if you have any real credentials or any way for you to be held accountable for your actions by being recognized by potential industry professionals that want to avoid you. I really would recommend that this forum become a real name only community. Having professional accountability might make some a little less likely to spout comments that could haunt them.

As far as the last comment I quoted, let's figure that out. If you're on a three week feature shoot, that works out to $3,809/day for 80k and you said that's not even enough for some of the projects you've worked on. Are you having truffles imported? What exactly would constitute spending $4k + for food in a day? I would question the validity of a project that would throw money away like that. It seems more like a philantrophic amateur producing and not a sound professional. That's the problem with trying to sound like a big deal...you wind up sounding foolish.

Fredrik Callinggard

07-18-2008, 01:36 AM

I think everyone needs to stop what they are doing and watch this right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw

Now I heard about that shoot.

First the genie broke down and since they had rigged a wall of wendy's they had to wait for the back up to arrive and as it did it unfortunately was only a 100K, since that was all they could find in the small town (that still was 2.5hrs away) next to the shoot.

So they had to rethink and ended up with 2 lights and tighter lenses, so you can't really see that there was 1000 extras there, but there was.

4 camera mags jammed so they ended up with only one mag. That was the 200 feet handheld one, the DP had with him himself. So after 2min of shooting time, changing mags was a painful 10 min wait.

The artist himself Mr Ben U Lava, often mistaken as Benny Lava (just don't mentioned it to him), had a fit and they had to wait for 7 hrs for him to decide what shade of brown his chinos should have.

Finally on set the playback didn't work. The playback operator had forgotten a cable so they had to improvise and actually sing live (I heard post production had a hard time in the edit and they had to stretch a few shoots here and there).

Now apparently the catering bug started to go around and yet again production had to stop and wait for (allegedly) the DP to actual go and change. After that there was no more handheld and they had to reduce to static shots only.

By the time dawn started the genie arrived from a 25 hrs drive from Mumbai or Bombay as it's also called. They could finally hook up for the grande finally with all the wendy's. Just as it was up and running and the DP was crying because it was the highlight of his photography career.... his dog peed on the genie and the whole set went black.

The DP was crying but, now from the ash left overs of his dog (now that actually happened).

Now if only they hadn't used that BETA version of........

Rick Darge

07-18-2008, 01:40 AM

This is how I really feel about you all, http://youtube.com/watch?v=GAvU1fmTJ3c

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 01:47 AM

???
If you're on a three week feature shoot ???

Hum... Features, 90-120 pages script, 6 days working week, = 6.6 pages per day?

Shooting 6.6 pages a day?

You must be a real Pro alright, a pro mad man.

???
What exactly would constitute spending $4k + for food in a day? ???

Have you try feeding 500+ Extras in Euros right now at the current exchange rates for 4-8 weeks?

Morons.

Tek

I'll take a break now.

This one look good.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3vXuj0oxt5M

LOL

Fredrik Callinggard

07-18-2008, 01:48 AM

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 01:57 AM

OK!

There was plenty of reasons to upgrade for build 16 and by the time Big Lu did so most issues with it had been straightened out.

I don't think it's right to go on a fit against that, since there can be a million reasons for doing so. As he states they were fully aware of the build being beta etc.

Unfortunately he had other issues that led to camera breakdown, this was not really a 16 issue. The camera got scrambled for other reasons and that was what made him feel cheated and therefor he took out his frustration in this forum. In doing so he realized that maybe it was a little to strong especially since he can't back up his allegations (for whatever reasons).

So why don't you guys go and chill and leave this alone, this is getting really booooring.
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Fredrik Callinggard

Agreed enough said.

LOL

Tek

FYI : Same Pro DIT "Demolitions In Tech"

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16337

I screwed up one of my screws also exact same problem and same thing.

I used a larger allen wrench not a torx
forced it into the screw and got it out.
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Luis Flores Jr.

Rick Darge

07-18-2008, 03:14 AM

pshh.. edited because i don't care anymore

Fredrik Callinggard

07-18-2008, 03:34 AM

quote Tekcin: FYI : Same Pro DIT "Demolitions In Tech" end quote

Well that's common praxis (see paragraph 5 in link below)?

http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-a-Stripped-Screw

I actually had that problem with my cam in Mexico. Hired a Nikon mount and used it on demand from director/ we had our reasons (special lens). otherwise I would never had considered it. I have several sets of PL mount lenses.

So that's the reason.

Well let's say this...the guys who rented it out mounted it. We wanted to do a few shots with PL lens after we were done with the Nikon lens and my DIT tried to unmount it. Only, he didn't use the same key set as the guys who mounted it...result was that the mount got stuck.

Now was that his fault? No! Was it foolish? No! It happens.

What did we have to do? Well there was two solutions.

We could stop the shoot and send it to RED.

Or we could drill the screws out and continue with PL mount lenses?

We drilled the screws out. Now was that foolish well you can argue about it but the fact is that it's exactly what you do if their stuck. It's also common praxis, as end resort of course.

Now of course the warranty is not valid if you slip but then again you also need to be self sufficient..... A film shoot is about compromises and solving problems. It was either RED doing it, or me.

My cam works today and the shoot was a success so.....

Bret Weeks

07-18-2008, 05:18 AM

For the leading edge, I am on it.

You sir are on the bleeding edge.

Don't be confused.

Lets be clear:

If you were on the leading edge, you'd be shooting build 16, now wouldn't you?

I guess that would realisticly put 16 users on the cutting edge, and you on the trailing edge. Sad place to be.

Kind of like this thread. Someone should kill it.

Harry Clark

07-18-2008, 06:20 AM

Ruairi,
Benny Lava FUNNY!
Cheers,
Harry

Jim McKinney

07-18-2008, 07:11 AM

I think everyone needs to stop what they are doing and watch this right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw

F**king Hilarious! It made my day Ruairi, thanks! Especially after reading this overly long and triffling thread.

Finner

07-18-2008, 08:43 AM

I sorry for your budget, but that won't even buy lunches on some of my shoot.

For the leading edge, I am on it.

You sir are on the bleeding edge.

Don't be confused.

Tek

Hmmmmmm

Come to think of it I have not seen the Johnathan LB here lately.

Johnathan did you change your name to Tek?

I think maybe you did! Huh you did!

Really guys, I don't think anyone can be as arrogant and clueless all at the same time. It just has to be the Johnathan LB.

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 02:21 PM

Finner,

I dare you to wear that DH " The HOFF" costume in London.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/customavatars/avatar285_9.gif

LOL

Tek

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 02:33 PM

Lets be clear:

If you were on the leading edge, you'd be shooting build 16, now wouldn't you?

I guess that would realisticly put 16 users on the cutting edge, and you on the trailing edge. Sad place to be.

Kind of like this thread. Someone should kill it.

My last word.

FYI: One of my close associate test camera running beta 16 is in the shop.

Note: RED does not recommend using Build 16 on commercial productions until the formal release of this firmware at the conclusion of the beta test cycles.

Don't cry.

A sign of intelligent is the ability to learn, even from others.

Tek

Matthew W. Phillips

07-18-2008, 02:41 PM

My last word.

FYI: One of my close associate test camera running beta 16 is in the shop.

Note: RED does not recommend using Build 16 on commercial productions until the formal release of this firmware at the conclusion of the beta test cycles.

Don't cry.

A sign of intelligent is the ability to learn, even from others.

Tek

Tek, were you so unfortunate that your parents actually named you tek? Or could it be that you've completely disregarded my post that questions your status in the industry since you cannot even disclose your real name. Unless you disclose your real name, you are nothing more than a troll. Real professionals give their real name and stand by their words with their reputation on the line. You, Sir, are not a professional until you can do that.

That is MY last word.

Shawn Booth

07-18-2008, 02:42 PM

My last word.

FYI: One of my close associate test camera running beta 16 is in the shop.

It won't be your last word. You're too big a douche.
Who cares about your close associate?

Note: RED does not recommend using Build 16 on commercial productions until the formal release of this firmware at the conclusion of the beta test cycles.

Quote:
I have a shoot coming up in a week. Should I upgrade to B 16 or hold off since I assume it will still be in beta a week from now? Or should I just wait and see?
Jim Jannards response:

Quote:
If I were you (I am not)... I would make the leap to build 16 as quickly as possible to make sure I was comfortable with the changes before a big shoot. You won't ever want to go back. The only question is whether or not you will have enough time to get used to how it all works.

Jim
Perhaps you should stop attacking customers who listen to the advice of the guy that owns the fucking company.
__________________

A sign of intelligent is the ability to learn, even from others.
Tek

So is the ability to check your grammar and spelling.

Nick Gardner

07-18-2008, 06:02 PM

Lets all be nicer to Tek, he is clearly very sensitive. It must be difficult having your first language be cartoon. Do you have any idea how hard he works to construct and maintain his fantasy world? Cut the little smurf some slack.

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 11:11 PM

Ouch, I am being attach by the Michael Moore fan club.

LOL

Tek

Michael Thornton

07-18-2008, 11:42 PM

How ever I was just KILLED on set using build 16.
This week and Last week.
I will talk about this weeks experience.

equipment
2 Red Cameras
music video

artist
2 Grammy award winning artist 11 grammys between the both of them.
Big time DP
His first time working with the RED camera.
So I did my best to make it as painless as possible.

But we experienced once problem after another, I have never had this many problems in such a short time on set.

You are attacking me because you already up graded?

I see...

Hummm....

Tek

dand

07-19-2008, 06:45 AM

Hi all,
Could anyone from the R&D dept. confirm/infirm a test being done on Red in higher working temperature conditions (someting like 40 Celsius ambient)?. Most of the problems point to a less-than-ideal cooling solution. I (for one) could not function propperly above 35 degrees let alone concentrate on shooting or even being part of a crew above that temp. Prehaps the design was done in a 20 degrees AC envir? Any ideas?

Cail Young

07-19-2008, 07:04 PM

Prehaps the design was done in a 20 degrees AC envir? Any ideas?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7011&highlight=heat+test

First warning at 41deg C, shutdown at 46.

Pawel Achtel

07-19-2008, 07:50 PM

First warning at 41deg C, shutdown at 46.

Hmmm, my own body gives me the first warning at 30 deg C and shuts down at 34 deg C, so those numbers are purely academic :biggrin:

Shawn Booth

07-19-2008, 08:11 PM

You are attacking me because you already up graded?

I see...

Hummm....

Tek

No, you got attacked because of your attitude towards everyone.

I couldn't resist this:
Http://www.vietcircles.com/tekcin

Andrew Benz

07-19-2008, 08:50 PM

Hey Shawn,

Hope all is good in your world... the link you posted gives me this response:

"Safari can’t find the server.
Safari can’t open the page “http://www.vietcorcles.com/tekcin” because it can’t find the server “www.vietcorcles.com”."

Just curious that's all...

Michael Thornton

07-19-2008, 09:05 PM

Seems tekcin claims to be a wannabe filmmaker.

I do not claim, I am a wannabe film maker for over 20 years now.

Until the day I direct one, I remain a wannabe.

I do not claim to be something I am not.

DIT / COLORIST

I have a problem with people who make the RED footage looks like video, and call them self a Colorist.

I am no Colorist, I am no Graphic artist, and I am not yet a director.

I have friends who are real Colorist, and I have too much respect for them to call myself one.

Until the day you have the credit " A film by - Shawn B!+(4", you are a wannabe too.

the right url is http://www.vietcircle.com/tekcin can't even cut a paste?

LOL

This world is very small Shawn Booth.

I will remember you called me a douche for no good reasons.

Stop drinking so much of it, because it's beginning to spill.

I don't remember meeting or saying anything bad about you ever.

I am sorry if I ever said something bad about your mother, or what ever.

I am done with you.

Tek

Michael Dorn

07-19-2008, 09:08 PM

I think its really time to close this and put it to rest. Mods?

David Mullen ASC

07-19-2008, 09:24 PM

Seems to have fizzled out on its own...

Shawn Booth

07-19-2008, 09:24 PM

Yeah, I got fed up and let the asshole in me rage. My apologies to the forum.

Michael Thornton

07-19-2008, 09:51 PM

No, you got attacked because of your attitude towards everyone.

Not everyone, Just Idiot Operators.

For my part, I just have real problems with Idiot Operators who claim to be DIT , Colorist, or what ever they are not.

Tek

Johnny Friday

07-19-2008, 11:19 PM

Michael Thornton

07-20-2008, 01:31 AM

Hey guys...after testing one of the four reds on our production using build 16 for the past ten days (a professional shoot for a nat geo documentary) we are now ALL IN on build 16......left 15 in the dust. So we've done some extensive testing and i have to disagree with a few of you guys about using build 16 on a pro shoot. Been working great for us and far better results, a lot less codec crashes than good old build 15.

....for what it's worth. So you might want to lighten up on the heavy hits to those using build 16 on a pro shoot. I think problems can happen with ANY BUILD. I've have found that you just have to work around them. And that's where critical adaptation comes in as a camera operator with Red at the at this time and space.

Thank You Very Much Baja,

I am waiting like a kid outside a closed candy store, but until it's officially released. My hands are bounded.

With the kind of projects I am working with, the risk is too great.

I was serious about high profile projects currently under NDA(s).

I hope RED will stamped it RELEASED soon.

I am dying to jump on it, Please keep the report coming without the false head lines.

Is this camera a joke?

Nothing but problems on set of a Music video.

Very bad false image of RED.

Thanks again.

Tek

P. S. I love RED and this camera, but I will not push it to the bleeding edge.
There is too much at stake.
Perception is reality in our world, I will not let people perceived RED as bad technology.
Beta is for testing only in my opinion. My clients depends on me to make the right choices.

:-)

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