-FAST- 128GB flash shipping.

[laguun]

http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/accessories/b/Core_SSD_3.jpg

OCZ seems to ship larger quantities of their 128GB - all our suppliers begin to list them as available this week.

The SSDs perform at 80MB/s write and 120MB/s read - double/triple the speed of the existing c/f-cards.

The 128 GB modules are offered at 330-350€ here.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/flash_drives/ocz_core_series_sata_ii_2_5-ssd

[Gunleik Groven]

HM. If one only could rip out the HDDs of the RED RAID and swap them for these... (Dreaming on...)

[Jay A. Kelley]

This could me a good thing
Jay

[C.J.Harvaraj]

shooting in 8 or 16 GB is always safer,
but having an option for more GB is always welcomed.

[Tom Lowe]

Wow, very nice.

[Thor Wixom]

Redcode 72, here we come!

[laguun]

a raid 0/1 combination of these would offer the best of both worlds - the strenghts of the c/f modules and the dual 2.5 hdd raid combined:

- *long* runtime, as found in hdd
- *max datarates*, as found in hdd

- *shock/vibration resistant*, as found in c/f
- *leightweight*, as found in c/f

- *very* high backup & copyspeed, as probably found in none of both.

it would be excellent if red offers these *very* fast.
This SSD generation finally seems to fullfill the promise.

[reality]

I read in a review that these are repackaged drives from another manufacturer.

[Martin Weiss]

They weigh just 77g and are 1cm thin. Would it be feasible to have a port like for CF cards?

Minimum operating temperature is quoted at merely -10 C, that will limit its usability - not just here in Norway.

[laguun]

I read in a review that these are repackaged drives from another manufacturer.

yes, samsung makes the basic tech. its samsungs "new gen".

[laguun]

They weigh just 77g and are 1cm thin. Would it be feasible to have a port like for CF cards?


That would be excellent - if red would offer a esata ssd 2.5 slot to replace the c/f slot.

[Joe G.]

Do these cards work on the Red One?

Is it being tested for approval?

[laguun]

Do these cards work on the Red One?

Is it being tested for approval?

This new generation of SSDs isnt sold by red yet. The 2005/2006 4500$ red flash drive never was sold, probably because the SSD technology back then was rather slow.

With these new SSDs, speed, price and capacity arrive at a sweet spot. An pretty ideal storage system for red.
The redraid uses standard 2.5 HDD, sata technology. The SSDs 2.5 are sata as well, only much faster, silent, less energy hungry, shock-proof - and ~200-300$ more expensive each.

[Obin Olson]

will someone please test them in a reddrive! I would do it but don't have the time right now..

[Obin Olson]

That would be excellent - if red would offer a esata ssd 2.5 slot to replace the c/f slot.






Awesome idea!!

[Gunleik Groven]

I am in for these. Would really need a setup like this before august 1st...

[David Wyatt]

It's weird how long the Red flash drive is taking to come out (I assume they've been concentrating all their recent efforts on a stable Build 16) - the technology is definitely there and for a lot less than the $4500 they're touting. Theoretically even one SSD should have a high enough write speed (80MB/sec) but having two in a Raid 0 should be more than enough...surely!!!?? Would the SSDs need to be 1.8" though, rather than 2.5"...that might reduce the contenders. There's also the possibility of higher frame rates (especially in 4K) the speed of a fast SSD could bring which is quite enticing.

I recall Red answering one post about the impossibility of simply modding your own dual SSD set-up using the Red Drive enclosure, because it's not as simple as just swapping out the platters for SSDs like you might do for a laptop - there'd also be code needed to be written for it...and who's going to do that...only Red.

[Joe Carney]

I'm sure RED has been keeping an eye on these developments. For the short term, putting them in a small portable enclosure and using as backup on set might be a good plan.

[Petr Dvorak]

yes fast on paper, but it need to be tested to prove it

[Kwan Khan]

Wowwww...128gb!!!
50% less price, High speed, High capacities and low power
That would be excellent.

[RivaiC]

Hopefully to see its implementation on RED, but they will release their 16GB CF cards soon...so...don't know, maybe it wont happen that soon

[laguun]

I recall Red answering one post about the impossibility of simply modding your own dual SSD set-up using the Red Drive enclosure, because it's not as simple as just swapping out the platters for SSDs like you might do for a laptop - there'd also be code needed to be written for it...and who's going to do that...only Red.

the sata command set is *very* basic - there is nothing special such drives can do, no matter if ssd or hdd.

Iirc, the c/f interface also uses standard sata, with standard c/f as the lexar i.e.

red however seems to poll the manufacturer string however, as the camera rejects non-approved media since some firmwares.

SSD are the optimal combination between the strenghts of HDD and c/f - and dont have their disadvantages. They are not so short on space as the 8/16 gb c/f, not so expensive and are not endangered by shock and vibration as are hdds - and also are noiseless, which hdds arent.

Can anyone from red comment on this?

[Deanan]

the sata command set is *very* basic - there is nothing special such drives can do, no matter if ssd or hdd.

Iirc, the c/f interface also uses standard sata, with standard c/f as the lexar i.e.

red however seems to poll the manufacturer string however, as the camera rejects non-approved media since some firmwares.

SSD are the optimal combination between the strenghts of HDD and c/f - and dont have their disadvantages. They are not so short on space as the 8/16 gb c/f, not so expensive and are not endangered by shock and vibration as are hdds - and also are noiseless, which hdds arent.

Can anyone from red comment on this?


Sata maybe standard but the firmware on drives varies tremendously. Even drives from well established vendors like seagate and hitachi can have problems with various hosts. While a drive might work fine on a pc (which gets the most initial testing) they often have bugs with various types of controllers/hosts. Over time you'll see alot of firmware revisions from drive vendors until the product starts to mature.

We are still working on SSD based media but it's taking some time because we are still in the process of modifying firmware. Some beta REDrams have gone to customers and put them through some tough conditions.

BTW, CF is IDE until CFast comes out which will be Sata based.

[Scott Webster]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/15/ridata-ultra-s-plus-mlc-ssds-arrive-in-32-64-128gb-flavors-star/ (http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/15/ridata-ultra-s-plus-mlc-ssds-arrive-in-32-64-128gb-flavors-star/)

"32GB, 64GB and 128GB sizes, all of which offer up to 128MB/sec read speeds and 80MB/sec write speeds. the late July-bound trio will be selling for $169.90, $294.90 and $537.90"

Looking forward to an affordable Red SSD option by the end of the year.

[Dylan Reeve]

I'm dubious of the 80MB write speeds, but there's enough overhead in that number to assume that it should manage RED data rates.

I suspect one of the reasons that REDRam hasn't shipped yet is that the SSD market has been changing drastically (thanks largely to high-volume high-demand devices like the ASUS EeePC using SSD technology). If this is indeed the new generation of SSD then I expect we'll see that technology turn up in a RED-branded device soon.

For what it's worth, there's no reason you won't be able to use these SSD drives in SolidStore cartridges for onset backup, but I'm not sure it would be a huge advantage. Although we could look at it for onboard data-buffering (seeing as the write speeds of 2.5" SATA HDDs can be disappointing).

[Tonaci Tran]

If 80mb/sec write isn't fast enough..these just started shipping:
http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=1227

Mtron's 3rd generation professional series boasts increased read and write performance! Preorder now to secure your order for prompt delivery upon launch.

MTRON PRO 7500 SATA II 3.5" 64GB SSD
SATA II interface. New & factory sealed in original retail packaging. 130MB/s read, 120MB/s write, 0.1ms access time.

[number6]

BTW, CF is IDE until CFast comes out which will be Sata based.

Deanan, when the CFast comes out will it require a new module or will there just be some sort of firmware solution? And if it does require a module change, will the current board in the camera also have to be changed?

Just trying to figure out how this plays for the foreseeable future.

[Deanan]

Since the CFast spec hasn't been ratified yet, it's really hard to say anything.

[Dylan Reeve]

I believe that CFast is slated to have a different connector at the very least. I'd expect a new module would be needed, but the RED One seems expandable enough to support it without much trouble.

[Deanan]

It's more like a sata+power connector but with additional pins.

[Marc Berger]

Would it at least work with Nexto Extreme for safe backup?
Marc

[Dylan Reeve]

Would it at least work with Nexto Extreme for safe backup?
Marc

Should do, Nexto supports any 2.5" SATA drive I believe. However I don't know how much different speed. The quoted transfer speeds don't seem to be limited by the hard-drive speed.

[Rocco Schult]

...We are still working on SSD based media but it's taking some time because we are still in the process of modifying firmware. Some beta REDrams have gone to customers and put them through some tough conditions.

BTW, CF is IDE until CFast comes out which will be Sata based.

the port inside the RED is SATA not really IDE/ATA, isn't it ? Who had to exchange the CF port has seen the connector. Wonder what this thing does if some media is connected directly. Sorry for being so curious, but in the end it is a computer inside RED...:innocent:

[Dylan Reeve]

I believe (and don't really know at all) that the RED CF module is essentially a CF/SATA unit (similar to those available for your PC). This is good as it means when CFast exists that the required SATA interface to the controller already exists.