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MikeHedge
07-17-2008, 08:41 PM
any ideas? I need to get a tripod for RED998 for Burning Man. I am also looking to buy a mattebox. Red Rock won't ship in time. any ideas?

I start shooting Aug 14-Sept 5

Matthew Rogers
07-17-2008, 08:47 PM
any ideas? I need to get a tripod for RED998 for Burning Man. I am also looking to buy a mattebox. Red Rock won't ship in time. any ideas?

I start shooting Aug 14-Sept 5

What do you mean RedRock won't be shipping in time? The matteboxes are already going out this week and everyone should have on in their hands by the end of the month. Now, if you were wanting the Viewfactor wireless remote, then you might be cutting it a little close.

As for tripods, I would personally go with the Miller. I like the specs on it and have liked all other Millers that I've tried. O'Conner, while other people like them, do nothing for me. Maybe it's because I've only used older beat up ones, but my Sachtler is 10+ years older than me and fairly beat up and it works so smoothly. But that's just me.

Matthew

Jason Ing
07-17-2008, 08:52 PM
what's your price range? big difference between the 1030 and 2060 in price and weight. not sure you want to be running around burning man with a 2060. i've got a delta and it's great. sort of equivalent to the 1030 but the counterbalance dial is easier to use and it has a digital interface that lights up. handles a bit more weight too.

all the other tripods don't have true continuous counterbalancing, i believe.

MikeHedge
07-17-2008, 10:15 PM
wow. thanks for the feed back. the 2060 will be too heavy out at BM.....

the Delta is a Miller?

REDROCK mattebox won't have a new order shipped by when I need it for BM (Aug 14th.) anyone want to sell theirs? then get my order when it comes?

Mike

paul engstrom
07-17-2008, 10:32 PM
delta is cartoni.

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Hans von Sonntag
07-18-2008, 12:20 AM
The tripod with the highest payload compared to weight is the Sachtler Video 25Plus with CF2 sticks. The whole unit weights about 11 Kilos and can carry up tp 35 Kilos! IMO the most versatile tripod for the Red. It's light enough for docs and sturdy enough for high payloads such as the Angenieux 24-290. Qualitywise Sachtler is on par with OConnor.

Otherwise for Burning Man (and other running around jobs) I would rent a light tripod such as a Sachtler Vido18. Sufficient for a doc-style Red with S16 zoom, EVF, battery and a standard mattebox such as Arri M19 or 20.

Hans

Pawel Achtel
07-18-2008, 01:51 AM
It may be Australian, but I don't like Miller. It is a toy. Sachtler is okay, but it does not compare with Ronford Atlas 30, which I am very happy with. The only disadvantage is the weight, but it is by far the smoothest and steadiest head I ever tried. A side-by-side comparison with the top-of-the line Miller was like chalk and cheese.

Hans von Sonntag
07-18-2008, 02:14 AM
How much is the Ronford Atlas in Australia? Here in Euroland the pricelists say 12.000 EUR which is not a bargain.

Personally I find Sachtler not that sexy but if I take price, quality, weight, payload and performance into account the above metioned unit is hard to beat.

Hans

Nils Ruinet
07-18-2008, 04:18 AM
Have a look at Cartoni. Good quality and not too expensive.

The delta is quite lightweight and is a nice head.
I just bought the Cartoni C20, which is a bit heavier, and similar to a Sachtler S25 I'd say. Still light enough to be carried arround easily (with CF sticks at least).

Charles Angus
07-18-2008, 08:22 AM
Have used 1030HD and Cartoni Gamma (gamma more comparable than delta) with an Arri 416 rig. While the Cartoni was serviceable (no complaints) it did not compare to the O'Connor.

The O'Connor was very smooth, very responsive, very easy to dial in. The Cartoni was, well, just OK.

Jeff Kilgroe
07-18-2008, 11:51 PM
I don't mind the Miller Arrow 55 for the money. I'm pretty happy with mine as it's roughly the same size and weight as the O'Connor 1030HD, but it can handle more weight. Compared to a O'Connor 2060/2575, Pawel's suggested Ronford and the higher-end Cartoni heads, it's not as nice.

For Burning Man, that's a tough call... I don't see any of the more portable tripod options really being a good all-around solution. With the Miller 55, O'Connor 1030, etc.. You may have a tough time fighting vibrations and whatnot in high winds, especially if you use lighter duty (more portable) sticks.

I have my Miller 55 on the Miller HD CF legs. They are much stronger, rated for over 200lbs, than the Miller Sprinter II legs. A lot more stable, but also a lot heavier, even though they're CF.

Without any real experience with the Ronford Atlas head(s), I can't comment on them. I've looked at them before and they seem really nice, but the price tag was out of my budget. The O'Connor 1030HDS is a great option too if you can live with +/-60 degree tilt range. The Cartoni and O'Connors have continuously-adustable drag, which is wonderful. It's also great how the Element Technica dovetail plates can lock right into the O'Connor heads.

Pawel Achtel
07-19-2008, 01:16 AM
How much is the Ronford Atlas in Australia? Here in Euroland the pricelists say 12.000 EUR which is not a bargain.

Personally I find Sachtler not that sexy but if I take price, quality, weight, payload and performance into account the above metioned unit is hard to beat.

Hans

Considering they are made in Euroland (UK), they would be cheaper there as it costs almost $1k to ship one down here :angry03:

I have encountered only one major problem with it: once you try it next to anything else, they are irresistable and it hurts the pocket. Yes, there is very significant difference between Miller Arrow 55 or Sachtler and Ronford. In short: very smooth and rock solid steady. It is also fully sealed, which means no sand, dirt or dust. Nicely made too - no plastic!

But, yes, it costs about as much as the camera itself....