Hot off the presses...

[Jarred Land]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_16gbxx.jpg

First small batch going out today ( those customers have already been emailed )

2nd batch hopefully going out late next week.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Great news ,wooow:devil:

[M.Halsell]

Jarred you shouldn't have! But we are glad you did.

[wedowee]

Hey Jarred, can you post the specs? Meaning exact differences b/w these and the 8GB ones. Thanks.

[Deanan]

They are the fastest CFs on the planet right now. About 450x on writes and 600x on reads. Offloading a full 16GB CF was clocked at 2min 34sec (going to a raid drive).

[Ruairi Robinson]

They are the fastest CFs on the planet right now. About 450x on writes and 600x on reads. Offloading a full 16GB CF was clocked at 2min 34sec (going to a raid drive).

what frame rates/resolutions can we do with these cards?

[Tico Llaurador]

Just to make sure, what modes can or cannot be recorded to them at this point in time?

Thanks, guys!

[Kenn Michael]

re: frame rates and resolutions...

from what I gathered from previous posts by Deanan...

All of them!!!! :)

But I'll be glad to get official word.

[Mark L. Pederson]

They SCREAM!

Deanan sent us proto's for the Offhollywood team to try to break - we could not - these were our results (on an earlier 16 alpha build ** have not re-tested yet on V3.2.1) -

Dropped frame test. (write speed reliability test)

Sustained (entire mag) and multi-clip (at least 10 different clips) record and playback tested on 16gb cards.
These tests included:
Image motion (pans, tilts, zooms), extreme contrast and luminance shifts, in record iso changes, in record WB changes, in record shutter changes, violent camera shaking, on record speed ramps.

With all the above events happening in every clip we received consistent read write speeds at:

RC36
4k, 16:9 23.98 vari 28fps
4k, 16:9 29.97
4k, 2:1 23.98 vari 30pfs
4k, 2:1 29.97
3k 16:9 23.98 vari 50fps
3k 16:9 29.97 vari 50fps
3k 2:1 23.98 vari 56fps
3k 2:1 29.97 vari 56fps
2k 16:9 23.98 vari 100fps
2k 16:9 29.97 vari 100fps
2k 2:1 23.98 vari 120fps
2k 2:1 29.97 vari 120fps


RC28
4k, 16:9 23.98 vari 30fps
4k, 16:9 29.97
4k, 2:1 23.98 vari 30fps
4k, 2:1 29.97
3k, 16:9 23.98 vari 50fps
3k, 16:9 29.97 vari 50fps
3k 2:1 23.98 vari 60fps
3k 2:1 29.97 vari 60fps
2k 16:9 23.98 vari 100fps
2k 16:9 29.97 vari 100fps
2k 2:1 23.98 vari 120fps
2k 2:1 29.97 vari 120fps


TRT of Footage
With out wrappers or audio on a sustained shot to a 16gb card at:
4k 16:9 RC36 23.98 =
11 minutes 25 seconds

[Kenn Michael]

Woot Woot!!!!!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Nice. :w00t:

[Bing Bailey]

Roll on 32 and 64gb CF Cards :)

[Steve Sanacore]

Fantastic Jarred!

Now send me my camera so I can try them out :-)

[Tony Lorentzen]

And they work with every gadget that's CF-based?

[Tico Llaurador]

I'm sold!

:biggrin:

[Jarred Land]

And they work with every gadget that's CF-based?

It will work with most.

[Mark L. Pederson]

It will work with most.

My DSLR got so excited it started shooting backwards!

[David Battistella]

Woah!!! $11,550.00 worth of CF's in that shot alone.

I like the black stickers too.


david

[Shawn Bannon]

insanity. can't wait for my order.

[Frank Weeks]

Great

That's a little bit longer than I anticipated and avery little bit helps.
Thanks for the testing and info Mark.

[Seth Larney]

Oh yeah :)

[Francis Kenny]

Thank you Mark for the info and testing. Well done!

I have a dumb question for the red geniuses out there. Can these cards be hot swapped? Camera running (not in record), pull out a card - plug in a card, push record, keep shooting???

[Pawel Achtel]

First small batch going out today ( those customers have already been emailed )

2nd batch hopefully going out late next week.

This must be a scam, for sure!

[Mark L. Pederson]

Can these cards be hot swapped? Camera running (not in record), pull out a card - plug in a card, push record, keep shooting???

Yes, that is how it works. You just have to "eject" first. And in fact, you can "pre-fromat" a number of cards so you can just eject and insert and go -

[Brent J. Craig]

With out wrappers or audio on a sustained shot to a 16gb card at:
4k 16:9 RC36 23.98 =
11 minutes 25 seconds

Wahoo! "1000 foot mags" - That was one of the major stumbling blocks (or at least point of argument) against adoption of Red.

Still, I find it disappointing that the 4K 2:1 max speed is still only 30FPS. Get us up to 50 or 60 and we have an Arri 535 killer.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Wahoo! "1000 foot mags" - That was one of the major stumbling blocks (or at least point of argument) against adoption of Red.

Still, I find it disappointing that the 4K 2:1 max speed is still only 30FPS. Get us up to 50 or 60 and we have an Arri 535 killer.

I thought it was a mistake!

[Francis Kenny]

Thanks Mark. To understand, when you say eject, you mean go in to the menu and click eject rather than pulling the card out of the camera beforehand. Yes? After you click eject in the menu you then pull the card that has been recorded and put in the new card. Must the card be formatted before recording? Can you record on to a card that has not been formatted? Can the card be formatted with a laptop or does this have to be done in the camera? I am thinking about those times when things get crazy and we must shoot quickly, and we've shot all of the "pre-formatted" cards already. I know this is basic stuff but I am learning. Thanks for your help.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

You can press Undo and Exit simultaneously to "eject" the card. That way you don't have to go into the menu. Push the two buttons and within a second or two, the media will unmount and it will show on your monitor that you don't have any media mounted. Pull the card and stick in a new one. Works the same with the 8GB CF cards, and essentially the same with the drives, too.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Jarred, were are mines??? I want them NOW!!!:) :)


Okay I can wait till monday I guess.:)

The less time I spend changing cards, reloading and formatting, the more time I get to spend with the GIRLS!!!


ciao

[Paul Hazlett]

so if mine are not in this bunch and I ordered the next day after being available.....they sold a ton...man o manashevitz

[Francis Kenny]

Thanks Jeff. That is great information. I really appreciate your help.

[Deanan]

Thanks Mark. To understand, when you say eject, you mean go in to the menu and click eject rather than pulling the card out of the camera beforehand. Yes? After you click eject in the menu you then pull the card that has been recorded and put in the new card. Must the card be formatted before recording? Can you record on to a card that has not been formatted? Can the card be formatted with a laptop or does this have to be done in the camera? I am thinking about those times when things get crazy and we must shoot quickly, and we've shot all of the "pre-formatted" cards already. I know this is basic stuff but I am learning. Thanks for your help.

Hi Francis,

The Undo-Exit combination is the fastest way to eject.

Cards need to be formatted to be used on the camera.
Best practice is to always format a card and never delete and record.
A format gives you a clean slate to record while deleting can lead to fragmentation.

You can't format on a laptop but formatting the cards during morning prep is one way to do it if you have enough cards for the day or until the next setup change.

Lastly, make sure your crew ALWAYS ejects a card properly waits till the camera says it's safe to remove.

[Uli Plank]

Shouldn't it be possible to develop a tiny little app to format on a laptop? Maybe even integrated into the excellent R3DManager?
If any information is needed from the camera, why not have it read from the fist card formatted there and count on from it in such an app?

The cinematographers hate it when the DIT is constantly demanding access to the camera during setup for doing formatting…

I know you are constantly developing tiny little apps (and not so tiny ones), but maybe one day? Pretty please!

[Deanan]

After alot of testing we determined that it was safer to always format on the camera. I would not recommend formatting off camera.

[James Brundige]

so if mine are not in this bunch and I ordered the next day after being available.....they sold a ton...man o manashevitz

sp. Manishewitz

[number6]

sp. Manishewitz

:umm: ... James, shouldn't that be Manischewitz?:unsure:

[Ruairi Robinson]

After alot of testing we determined that it was safer to always format on the camera. I would not recommend formatting off camera.

Shouldn't this be in some kind of FAQ instead of page 4 of a thread about new flash cards being released? Kinda thing thats easy to miss!

[Deanan]

You can't format off camera anyway. (tricking a mag into thinking it's formatted doesn't count)

[Bing Bailey]

Deanan,

any chance of you guys writing a formatting utility for the mac or pc or putting that functionality into redcine or red alert ?

[Adrian T.]

My opinion is that a mag should be formatted right after its contents have been copied reliably to some other media (multiple copies). And this is usually done by the DIT on a Mac or PC and not at the camera.

I think it's far too dangerous to have a workflow where the mags need to be formatted in camera. It could happen too easily that a mag without backup copies is formatted.

Therefore it would be really great to have a small drag-and-drop utility with command line support which formats a mag on a Mac/PC.

[Deanan]

Sorry to disagree with you guys but the mags should always be done on the camera because data integrity is the highest priority. This may change in the future but right now it's absolutely essential.

If you remove the profile files on the mag, then that tells the camera the mag hasn't been formatted so it's one way to let the camera know it needs to format the mag. Formatting on the pc/mac will also do that but the camera still needs to do the formatting to make sure it's done 100% the way it expects it.

[Adrian T.]

Sorry to disagree with you guys but the mags should always be done on the camera because data integrity is the highest priority. This may change in the future but right now it's absolutely essential.

If you remove the profile files on the mag, then that tells the camera the mag hasn't been formatted so it's one way to let the camera know it needs to format the mag. Formatting on the pc/mac will also do that but the camera still needs to do the formatting to make sure it's done 100% the way it expects it.

So that's simply a technical reason. And that's exactly why we need a Mac/PC formatting tool from you guys. I'm talking about workflow here and the probability of data loss. You should keep that in mind too.

[Morning Glory]

After successful offload of the digimag, the DIT just erases the log file, but leaves the R3D files on the mag. When the digimag is mounted the camera will think it is unformatted, so just reformat at that point. This way the footage stays on the digimag for as long as possible, more chances to detect a mistake and get the files before they are erased. The failsafe is if the camera assistant sees there are files on the digimag then s/he brings it back to the DIT to see what is up. I'm not sure why the DIT has to be the one formatting the digimags on the camera. Every AC I've showed it to picks it up right away and performs the task without any problems.

I think this way is best, and it is already working. Formatting on a computer is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Think of how many OS versions on the different platforms, etc.

[Patric Ralston]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_16gbxx.jpg

First small batch going out today ( those customers have already been emailed )

2nd batch hopefully going out late next week.


So about those 16GB cards....Any idea when you will catch up on the backlog?

[Adrian T.]

After successful offload of the digimag, the DIT just erases the log file, but leaves the R3D files on the mag. When the digimag is mounted the camera will think it is unformatted, so just reformat at that point. This way the footage stays on the digimag for as long as possible, more chances to detect a mistake and get the files before they are erased. The failsafe is if the camera assistant sees there are files on the digimag then s/he brings it back to the DIT to see what is up. I'm not sure why the DIT has to be the one formatting the digimags on the camera. Every AC I've showed it to picks it up right away and performs the task without any problems.

I think this way is best, and it is already working. Formatting on a computer is just asking for trouble in my opinion. Think of how many OS versions on the different platforms, etc.

When the camera doesn't find the profile files on the mag it could also be due to a read/mag error. I just feel that it's wrong to format a mag in camera not really knowing what's on it. The Mac/PC is the only place you're really in control of the mag's contents.

Just my 5 cents...

[Paul Hazlett]

whats the big deal with formatting on camera? it takes all of 15 seconds
and the camera sets up the card the way it should be.

[Martin Weiss]

A while back there was a discussion on whether the camera should have a function that would allow erasing specific files in-camera. Red was against it, as I understood because they were afraid that someone might accidentally delete files.

From that logic it does not make sense to have the ability to erase a full magazine (though I fully understand the technical reasoning behind it.)

In other words: I too would prefer leaving the formatting to the DIT's laptop.

[Deanan]

So that's simply a technical reason. And that's exactly why we need a Mac/PC formatting tool from you guys. I'm talking about workflow here and the probability of data loss. You should keep that in mind too.

Yes. That's EXACTLY why we insist on formatting on the camera. Data integrity always comes first. We can't trust the mac/pc is always going to format the way it should be. On the camera it's closed ecosystem and we have a known interaction between components.

The number of drives I've received for recovery from accidentally being formatted on pc/mac vs camera is about even so really, it can happen in both places accidentally just as easily.

[Tico Llaurador]

This is really a no-brainer, folks. Always format within the host environment for best results. It's always best to do so, no matter what the device. DSLR, RED, Mac, PC, Edirol, you know the drift. Better safe than sorry!

[Conrad Hunziker]

So that's simply a technical reason. And that's exactly why we need a Mac/PC formatting tool from you guys. I'm talking about workflow here and the probability of data loss. You should keep that in mind too.

The technical overrides the workflow. The workflow must always accommodate the technical. If it doesnt, the technical will bite you in the butt at the wrong moment.

We wrote R3D Data Manager to provide that download workflow and data integrity. In R3D Data Manager, there is an option to erase the files from the Red Media when all the copies were successful and verified. Then the ACs get a fresh mag with 0 files on it.

For "Manure" and "Stay Cool" - and for that matter every red show Ive been on - thats the mode of operation. Download the clips, verify the copies, and remove all the files on the source. If the camera dept mounts a drive that has clips on it and tries to format it, a confirmation dialog is displayed and the AC selects "NO" and the drive goes back to see what happened.

The drives should be empty when they are ready to be used, then formatted in camera with the cameras tools. Only then can you be assured that your data will be valid when you hit record.

[Meryem Ersoz]

Is there any word on whether these are now off the presses and into the mail? Has there been a sighting?

[Brent@RED]

We had a limited first production run of 16 GB CF CARDS that have all shipped. More coming soon....

BC

[Jarred Land]

Yup... presses are rolling. We are actually waiting more for the new CF modules to come in than the cards.. as you guys need upgraded modules to handle the speed of the new cards. Each camera gets one V2.0 CF module included at no charge on your first purchase of the 16gb cards.

The new modules of course work with the 8gb cards as well :)

[Andrew Martin]

Wowzers!!! Its been a generous couple of days at Red, my hats off to you all.

Andrew.

[Yean Loon]

you mean the old CF modules don't work with the 16gbs???

[Michael Thornton]

you mean the old CF modules don't work with the 16gbs???

It's not the size, it's the speed.

And it's free.

No complaints here.

LOL

Thank you RED.

Tek

[Ed Watkins]

Yup... presses are rolling. We are actually waiting more for the new CF modules to come in than the cards.. as you guys need upgraded modules to handle the speed of the new cards. Each camera gets one V2.0 CF module included at no charge on your first purchase of the 16gb cards.

The new modules of course work with the 8gb cards as well :)

Sounds great.

Is the v2.0 CF module something we have to send the camera back in to be fitted for? I'm guessing it is.

Also, how long is the buy a CF get a V.2 CF module deal running for?

[Shawn Bannon]

very awesome. are there 2 slots in the new version or 1?

[Jarred Land]

no need to send the camera in.. it is the user replaceable card on the side of the camera just below the plate that says "RED" . Still only one slot, the card just has much higher In/Out speeds.

[Shawn Bannon]

very awesome thanks for the upgrade. its a pleasure doing business with you.

[Gary Stone]

is it safe to assume that new cameras that are shipping out will have the v2.0 CF modules?

[Brent@RED]

is it safe to assume that new cameras that are shipping out will have the v2.0 CF modules?

As Jarred mentioned, we are waiting on the new CF modules. As soon as we have them, they will be inserted into production line. We'll let you know what delivery batch has them from the beginning...

BC

[Peter Majtan]

Is it safe to assume that when newer (32/64 GB) CF comes out there will be again need to swap the CF module, or will the new module include (overhead) support for faster media in the future...?

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

the v2.0 CF modules?
What is this ??

[Peter Majtan]

The side panel on Your RED where You stick the CF card. You will need it replaced in order to support the faster 16GB cards. It is 100% free with Your first order of the 16GB cards... :)

[Meryem Ersoz]

Each camera gets one V2.0 CF module included at no charge on your first purchase of the 16gb cards.


More happy surprises. Thanks Brent, thanks Jarred. That's an even better answer than I had hoped for....

Will the V2.0 CF module then be equipped to accommodate the 32gb cards? Heh. Just askin'...

If I have two cameras and already ordered one round of 16gb cards, does that mean I have to place another order to get the CF module upgrade? Or will we just be sent modules for each camera automatically with the shipment of the 16gb CF cards?

[Tanner Stauss]

450x/600x compared to what exactly? Dumb question, but just wondering if there is an answer to that.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

The new modules of course work with the 8gb cards as well :)

If i ordered onl 1 or 2 16gb cf cards ? shall i have a free cf model ?
How can someone replace it ? or camera should travel for replacement ?
Is it will read 8gb files faster tan now ?

[Andrew Walker]

I love getting newer and faster stuff for free.

[Adrian T.]

Awesome freebie day today...
Thanks guys!

[Erik Bien]

Between the firmware upgrades, the new audio board and the CF module it's looking like my friend might actually forgive me for persuading him to sink the lion's share of his family fortune into RED-centric production equipment. (Just ramp up fulfillment on the 50-150s and he won't have anything left to complain about!)

[Paul Leeming]

Yup... presses are rolling. We are actually waiting more for the new CF modules to come in than the cards.. as you guys need upgraded modules to handle the speed of the new cards. Each camera gets one V2.0 CF module included at no charge on your first purchase of the 16gb cards.
Jarred, I recently ordered eight 16GB cards with my second camera, however those eight are supposed to be two lots of four for each camera. Should I talk to Randy about getting a second module included so I have the ability to use these cards for each camera?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

[Jarred Land]

absolutely Paul... let Randy know and he will allocate the cards as 4 per camera... so you will get 2 Modules.

[Jarred Land]

Is it safe to assume that when newer (32/64 GB) CF comes out there will be again need to swap the CF module, or will the new module include (overhead) support for faster media in the future...?

The 16gb RED cards are faster than any other card on the planet right now... so we had to also make the hardware to support it.

The new modules have some extra speed room, but you never know, if we have the opportunity and ability to make a faster card we arn't about to let a pesky module slow us down :)

[mikeburton]

This is awesome! Its been a great couple of days around here! Now, how far out are those modules? :)

[Jarred Land]

Every-time I say next week it curses things.. So i will just say " soon "

:)

[mikeburton]

Every-time I say next week it curses things.. So i will just say " soon "

:)

Fair enough

[Paul Hazlett]

Every-time I say next week it curses things.. So i will just say " soon "

:)

you have learned well grasshopper....

[Paul Leeming]

absolutely Paul... let Randy know and he will allocate the cards as 4 per camera... so you will get 2 Modules.
Thanks Jarred, email sent.

Cheers from Japan!

Paul

[Martin Weiss]

450x/600x compared to what exactly? Dumb question, but just wondering if there is an answer to that.

Not a dumb question at all, I've been wondering that as well.

Mr. Google comes up with the answer:


Usually there [is] no indication of what 1x is, but it's usually defined as a write speed of 150 kB/s, that's 150 kilobyes of data per second.(from http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/compact_flash_memory_cards.html)

[Dylan Macleod, CSC]

Great news on the CF module replacement for the new card. Thanks guys.

I also paid for and received a "back up" CF module.

Will RED send me a replacement for this as well?

Dylan Macleod
Cinematographer
Toronto, Canada
www.dylanmacleod.com

[Jarred Land]

Great news on the CF module replacement for the new card. Thanks guys.

I also paid for and received a "back up" CF module.

Will RED send me a replacement for this as well?

Dylan Macleod
Cinematographer
Toronto, Canada
www.dylanmacleod.com

absolutely, we will have an RMA setup for all first generation cards out there bought separate from the camera.

[Dylan Reeve]

Not a dumb question at all, I've been wondering that as well.

It goes back to CD-ROM I believe - where 1x is 150KB/s (or KiB if we're being all IEC about it). I believe basically a rounded datarate of CD audio at '1x' (actually about 172KB/s). So at 1x it would take roughly 70 minutes to burn 70 minutes (or 650MB) of audio to a CD.

DVD has a different 1x - it's 1.3MB/s - Around 10Mb/s which would be about the top rate for DVD-Video with AC3 audio.

KB vs KiB if you're interested is all thanks to hard drive manufacturers who got Kilo, Mega and Giga redefined to be 10-based, so 1000 for Kilo, etc. As a result the technical IEC definition for the base-2 numbers is now different. So a Kilobyte is 1000 bytes, while a Kibibyte is 1024 bytes. It's confusing and a giant pain in the ass.

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

absolutely, we will have an RMA setup for all first generation cards out there bought separate from the camera.

Can we maybe keep the old module? As a backup? I always wondered what I would to if somebody would brake a pin on set. Then I could continue with my 8 gb cards. Emergency-wise.

Jochen

[Adrian T.]

Can we maybe keep the old module? As a backup? I always wondered what I would to if somebody would brake a pin on set. Then I could continue with my 8 gb cards. Emergency-wise.

Jochen

Great idea. Please let us keep them!

[Shawn Booth]

Great idea. Please let us keep them!

Then we'd have to purchase the new one I would assume.

[Adrian T.]

Then we'd have to purchase the new one I would assume.

It depends on what they'd do with the old one. I suppose they trash it - but what do I know... :wink:

[Jan Reiff]

i can´t follow -

when i get the new one - i have to sent back the old one?
yes?

in this case i would prefer to buy it too (the old one or the new one, as you want :) )

[Craig Schober]

It depends on what they'd do with the old one. I suppose they trash it - but what do I know... :wink:

just like they'll trash the old red one bodies when we upgrade to epic...:wink:

[JonFarhat]

Wow. Formerly known as a mag of film.

[Brent@RED]

i can´t follow -

when i get the new one - i have to sent back the old one?
yes?

in this case i would prefer to buy it too (the old one or the new one, as you want :) )

Why would you want to keep the old one when we will swap to the current gen for you? :)

BC

[Jan Reiff]

:blush:

maybe as a backup.

but i still don´t know - is the old one to be sent back or not?

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

11minutes and a half of 4K RC36 16:9 in 16 GB? How is that possible?

[Adrian T.]

Why would you want to keep the old one when we will swap to the current gen for you? :)

BC

As a backup, a last resort, in case the new one breaks. We could still use our 8 GB cards with the old one.

[Brent@RED]

Ah, I thought you guys meant keep an old gen one instead of sending it in. You mean get a new one without sending in the old. No, we have to ask for the old back so there is no confusion in the field what cards are supported by what cameras....

BC

[Deanan]

It would be much better to get a new spare.

[Fredrik Harreschou]

But you will make sure everyone gets one for their camera before you let people buy more than one? Please?

Fredrik

[Jan Reiff]

what will be the whole process?

ordering 16GB, and i will receive the card(s) and the new module.

how long do we have time to send the old one back to you?
will it be with using red fedex number?

i just make a plan because i know how difficult it could be sometime to ship products back to USA (hello custom memphis - can you hear me - remember me!??? :angry03: :) :) hahaha)

[Cüneyt Kaya]

.... because i know how difficult it could be sometime to ship products back to USA (hello custom memphis - can you hear me - remember me!??? :angry03: :) :) hahaha)

i know the same song....i was singing that one the last 3 days

[Brent@RED]

We are finalizing the details of the CF module v2.0 program as we speak.

Fredrik, quantities should not be an issue so everyone should be taken care of in a timely fashion.

We hear you on Customs concerns. We will try to make it work smoothly for everyone...

Yes, you will get your 16 GB cards with your v2.0 writer THEN you can send back the old gen writers via RMA...

BC

[Mark B.]

It seems like there's a lot of hardware changes coming in at the same time, the card reader and the audio boards. Wouldn't it make more sense just to swap out the card readers at the same time as the audio boards? Also, seems like swapping out the CF readers without requiring the 16GB card purchase might be a little more efficient in getting everyone up to the same level.

[John Leahy]

A question for any who have upgraded.

Is their any distinguishing marks on the new CF modules that allow you to identify them as different from the old ones?

I ask this because we received two CF Modules today but being the pedantic types we giving them once over before fitting them and they look identical to the existing ones down to part numbers on the board.

[Damien Molineaux]

A question for any who have upgraded.

Is their any distinguishing marks on the new CF modules that allow you to identify them as different from the old ones?

I ask this because we received two CF Modules today but being the pedantic types we giving them once over before fitting them and they look identical to the existing ones down to part numbers on the board.

Hi RedIreland.

You've received two modules already ?! I take it that is for your two first cameras, and that you received your 16GB cards as well, right. ? I'm surprised as I haven't heard much talk about the 16GB cards for a while. I'm waiting for my own and haven't heard a thing.

Edit : Come to think about, I thought Red was delivering all items in order of camera devlivery date (except for the pre-orders of the Red 18-85mm). I've got two 16GB cards on order, but haven't heard a thing about availability.

Cheers,
Damien

[John Leahy]

Hello Earthling. I think in a round about way we are asking the same question...

We have ordered 16gig cards but they are not in stock, I pressume the modules are for our first two bodies. We have received modules but I cannot ascertain if they are upgrades or just normal ones so I am trying to find out. I have changed a module months ago as a crew damaged one so I am familiar with the part and process.

If anyones knows of any identifying differences I would appreciate it.

[Brent@RED]

No one has received the CF reader/writer modules that are 16 GB card-friendly. Those will ship with the 16 GB CF CARDS. And before you ask, those will start shipping very soon. For reals, this time :)

BC

[Damien Molineaux]

Thanks Brent,

Looking forward to those 16 GB cards.

Cheers,
Damien

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I ask this because we received two CF Modules today but being the pedantic types we giving them once over before fitting them and they look identical to the existing ones down to part numbers on the board.

I'm curious as to why you have received CF modules if you already have modules installed on your camera? Or were you ordering spare modules, just in case of failure?

[Leo Ticheli]

Hi, Brent,

I'm suffering an attack of candor; that's my disclaimer.

What does, "very soon," mean? Days? This means less than 30 to me. Weeks? Surely this is less than four. Months? If it's months, I personally feel it's outside the realm of, "very soon."

And, what does, "starts shipping," mean? Will there be enough updated modules to supply everyone in the queue, or are we to expect lengthy waiting?

I think these are fair questions.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo

[John Leahy]

I'm curious as to why you have received CF modules if you already have modules installed on your camera? Or were you ordering spare modules, just in case of failure?

I am even more curious (or maybe just confused) than you!!:biggrin:

We have ordered 16gig cards so thought that maybe these were sent out for that as we hadn't ordered any spares.

Thanks for clearing it up Brent. Now we have them and a long term job starting we will probably keep them as we can see they have been paid for off the invoice.

All strange but ends up working out for us.

[Florian Stadler]

How soon is soon?

[SandeepDey]

Advantage Mac..?

[Casey Green]

Also, anything to know about CF Readers? Will there be any particular advantages to using specific readers for the 16GB cards, or even ones that will work with the 8GB cards but not the 16GB?

Sorry if this was covered somewhere already.

[Brent@RED]

The 16 GB card-friendly CF reader/writers will indeed be compatible with both 8 GB and 16 GB cards. Your camera will be upgraded to the new CF reader/writer within the RED ONE Upgrade Program or a new CF reader/writer will be sent to you with you first 16 GB CF CARDS order - whichever comes first.

We should start shipping out initial 16 GB CF CARD orders as early as next week. One very important note, you WILL need to be running Build 17 for 16 GB CF CARD support. Yes, right now Build 17 is in beta. But it is the build with that support. So, if you do not feel comfortable running a beta firmware, you will have to wait until Build 17 is release build before using the 16 GB CF CARDS.

Expect an announcement from me or Jarred "soon" (could not resist) that they are officially shipping :)

BC

[Dominique Grenier]

Hey Brent, I think what Casey meant was the CF Reader that you use to input the card content on your computer, aka the SanDisk or Lexar one, not the RED CF module. Unless I'm mistaken...


The 16 GB card-friendly CF reader/writers will indeed be compatible with both 8 GB and 16 GB cards. Your camera will be upgraded to the new CF reader/writer within the RED ONE Upgrade Program or a new CF reader/writer will be sent to you with you first 16 GB CF CARDS order - whichever comes first.

We should start shipping out initial 16 GB CF CARD orders as early as next week. One very important note, you WILL need to be running Build 17 for 16 GB CF CARD support. Yes, right now Build 17 is in beta. But it is the build with that support. So, if you do not feel comfortable running a beta firmware, you will have to wait until Build 17 is release build before using the 16 GB CF CARDS.

Expect an announcement from me or Jarred "soon" (could not resist) that they are officially shipping :)

BC

[Casey Green]

Yes, Dominique, you are correct. I was asking about the reader for the computer side.

[Brent@RED]

Ah, understand now. I am not aware of any differences on the CF card-to-computer readers, no. I know we recommend the most the Lexar Professional UDMA FireWire® 800 Reader and I know we have used it with both 8 GB and 16 GB CF CARDS....

BC

[Casey Green]

thanks for the info, Brent.

[Andrew Martin]

Will the Lexar Pro Firewire 6pin 600 CF card reader work with the cards?, i accidentally got it today thought i had brought the 800 but hey . . . Doh, otherwise i'll try and get my money back or ebay.

Andrew.

[Brent@RED]

Entitled, I personally have not used that one. IMO, the 800 is the way to go.

BC

[Andrew Martin]

Okay. Thanks Brent. Ive done a test with a full 8gb Card its takes 16min to transfer over using this one. Do you know how long the 800 does it in?

EDIT*** Ive just done a test with USB2 and its 8min for a full card. Yeah its going back.

Andrew.

[Sam Winzar]

An 8GB card normally takes around 4 minutes to transfer with the Sandisk FW800 reader I use.

[Andrew Martin]

Thanks Winzar, this is going back then and they are going to get a bollocking from me in the process. It didn't say on their website it was a 6pin only firewire, i didn't know Lexar did three versions of the same item, USB, Firewire 6pin and 8pin.

Crazy.

Andrew.

[Casey Green]

... It didn't say on their website it was a 6pin only firewire, i didn't know Lexar did three versions of the same item, USB, Firewire 6pin and 8pin.



BTW, If I'm not mistaken, Firewire 800 (IEEE 1394b) actually has 9 pins (rather than 8), compared to 6 pins on the original Firewire 400 standard (IEEE 1394) and the later released 4 pin version (IEEE 1394a).

[Andrew Martin]

Didn't know that Casey i was just assuming, my mistake - i am still a little annoyed with the company that sold it to me and its going back Monday so i can get the 800 version.


Andrew.

[Casey Green]

hehehe - no worries.

just wanted to clear up potential misinformation, since all of these "standards" can get confusing after a while.

:-)

[Florian Stadler]

When are the 16GB cards coming?

Seems the presses have run cold by now...:bleh:

[SandeepDey]

We could use some more heat from the presses this Fall.

[Brent@RED]

We are working on the backorder on 16 GB CARDS as we speak. So, press is back to being hot after a brief lukewarm period :)

BC

[SandeepDey]

Ahhh, looks like Brent is lighting the pilot on the heater already :-D

[Andrew Walker]

Just got mine yesterday. I'll post some pics or something later today. They are sweet.

[donatello b]

"Just got mine yesterday"

how does #127 receive & is shooting 16gigs cards before #103 received a notice about em ??
i just got the email yesterday - says allow 2-3 days to process & ship (cards paid in full months ago)

[Andrew Walker]

"Just got mine yesterday"

how does #127 receive & is shooting 16gigs cards before #103 received a notice about em ??
i just got the email yesterday - says allow 2-3 days to process & ship (cards paid in full months ago)

I went down to Red yesterday to have my 18-50mm Red Zoom looked at and when I pulled into the parking lot I got my email for the 16GB cards. That's how I got them so fast.

[Medavoym]

Liar :tongue:

Just playing...

[ScottyC]

They are the fastest CFs on the planet right now. About 450x on writes and 600x on reads. Offloading a full 16GB CF was clocked at 2min 34sec (going to a raid drive).

So is that comparable to... 75 MB/s?? Just curious

[Deanan]

So is that comparable to... 75 MB/s?? Just curious

~ 100 MB/s on reads.

[Florian Stadler]

How about them cards?