RELEASED: BETA FIRMWARE - BUILD 16 (v3.2.4) [Archive]

Brent@RED

07-23-2008, 02:31 PM

Beta Build 16 v3.2.4 - Available on RED.com/support (password-protected download).

Changes since RED-ONE Beta Build 16 v3.2.1 firmware:
* Additional codec optimization
* Boot up logo relocated to bottom of screen
* Time Code output enabled on the LEMO 5 pin timecode connector

Thanks, BC

Jeff Deveraux

07-23-2008, 02:44 PM

What optimization did you do to the codec?

Thor Wixom

07-23-2008, 02:50 PM

Thanks, Brent.

Looking forward to using it.

Will the new build help with the playback of 3.2.1 files? (I had more playback issues with 3.2.1 last night.)

-Thor

Jay A. Kelley

07-23-2008, 02:51 PM

Having Timecode out is going to make a lot of sound people very very happy

Jay

Matthew Rogers

07-23-2008, 02:53 PM

It would be really nice to have the logo smaller and in a corner that's out of the way of the image. A pretty little logo in the corner...that's what we need!

Matthew

Jay A. Kelley

07-23-2008, 02:54 PM

I thought they just did that?
Jay

Thor Wixom

07-23-2008, 03:10 PM

While this thread is still fresh, I just wanted to ask about the option (in future builds) of 1080psf, in addtion to 1080p.

It's not a huge deal, but it would be nice because it would open up some equipment and hardware options for those of us that already own certain gear. In my case, it would solve the issues of not being able to "digitize" through the HD-SDI port of the Matrox Axio LE.

Anyway... thanks, Brent (and Red) for all the hard work!

-Thor

Matthew Rogers

07-23-2008, 03:28 PM

I thought they just did that?
Jay

No, they just took the logo and put it on the bottom center of the screen.

Matthew

Stuart English

07-23-2008, 03:39 PM

While this thread is still fresh, I just wanted to ask about the option (in future builds) of 1080psf, in addtion to 1080p.

All outputs on the RED-ONE are, and will be, true progressive. See the other threads on this subject for the background on this.

Hrvoje Simic

07-23-2008, 03:42 PM

Thor Wixom

07-23-2008, 03:52 PM

All outputs on the RED-ONE are, and will be, true progressive. See the other threads on this subject for the background on this.

Thanks, Stuart. Maybe I can find a converter.

-Thor

Michael Hastings

07-23-2008, 04:21 PM

It would be really nice to have the logo smaller and in a corner that's out of the way of the image. A pretty little logo in the corner...that's what we need!

later...
No, they just took the logo and put it on the bottom center of the screen.

Matthew

This camera must be getting fully developed if logo placement is high on the todo list!:biggrin:

Mark Toia

07-23-2008, 04:34 PM

This camera must be getting fully developed if logo placement is high on the todo list!:biggrin:

Yeah, that made me laugh when I read that. :poster_stupid:

This camera is amazing! I can't stop applauding these RED dudes.
Good shit just keeps on coming and coming... It's like christmas every 7 days!

When's it going to end! (never I hope)

GO RED GO! You guys are God's (of image capture)

Kip Hewitt

07-23-2008, 05:26 PM

Thanks guys.

I'm also interested in the issue with the playback bug. Apart from camera shut down during playback (few times), we had the Red lcd screen turn green when the camera was connected through HDMI to Dell 2408.

We just finished a 5 day shoot on 3.2.1. No codec errors.

Not trying to pull things OT... but I've been looking for some info on the usability of this DELL MONITOR for awhile.

OMEN, can you tell me a couple of things:

1) Are you getting the full menus, histograms, and surround view that the LCD has?
2) Is the 720p Live image pixel for Pixel, or is there some stretching involved?
3) Does Build 16 1080p Playback work? Full screen?
4) Is the image quality consistent with the RED LCD/EVF?
5) Is the large size a burden to transport?

Thanks.
-99

Jay Farrington

07-23-2008, 08:55 PM

It would be really nice to have the logo smaller and in a corner that's out of the way of the image. A pretty little logo in the corner...that's what we need!

Matthew

Or better yet . . . translucent watermark?

C.H.Haskell

07-23-2008, 09:20 PM

Just got back to hotel room, 1781 is working on short film "Coal" directed by David Rosefeld. Sound guy has been pestering me about this jam syncing the timecode so I am sure he will be happy. MOre to come soon.

Brent, RED team...thanks!

David Battistella

07-23-2008, 09:50 PM

Does this build address some of the TIMELAPSE issues that occur with some of the longer exposure times in timelapse mode?

David

SF Geek

07-23-2008, 11:52 PM

Please tell me that the initializing logo is somehow smaller and not just moved to the bottom of the frame. Please.

Mark Toia

07-24-2008, 01:36 AM

Please tell me that the initializing logo is somehow smaller and not just moved to the bottom of the frame. Please.

Are you serious?

Emmanuel Cambier

07-24-2008, 01:45 AM

Please tell me that the initializing logo is somehow smaller and not just moved to the bottom of the frame. Please.

That's build 17:construction:

Emmanuel

Nils Ruinet

07-24-2008, 03:35 AM

Do we really need that logo during booting ?
Wouldn't a white typo saying "Initializing" in the black bottm part of the screen be enough ?
Everybody on set already knows it's a Red...

Jimmy Gitonga

07-24-2008, 09:21 AM

Matthew Rogers

07-24-2008, 10:22 AM

Hmm, the RED must be a good machine for guys to be whinging about startup logos.

I mean, no offense guys, but I kind of like the logo boot up. We see them all the time on the computer; Photoshop, FCP, etc and I'm sure we are used to them. I think its only QuickTime on my Mac that I have to check the Finder to see its on.

Let's see. Considering how busy the boot up time period is; checking the monitors, taping cables, and so on, it passes fast. :meh:

Yes, but with those programs you cannot do anything useful during that time. With the RED, because you can see your framing, it's a useful tool for lighting/framing.

You are thinking of when you are firing up the camera on the opening setup for a shoot day. I am thinking of when you are switching setups or switching out batteries and the DP & director are wondering why they can't have picture up on their monitor (the last two RED shoots I've been asked that by the director)

All there should be is a small text at the bottom of the screen..low enough that it's not blocking your framing any.

Matthew

SF Geek

07-24-2008, 10:33 AM

Trust me when I say that there are plenty of times when you need to boot up and there is not much else to do but wait and do little lighting tweaks which usually call for having a monitor up. Maybe I can take that time to go to craft services, or I could take up smoking. That would end up being a lo of trips to craft services or a lot of smoking.

Joel Kaye

07-24-2008, 10:38 AM

Trust me when I say that there are plenty of times when you need to boot up and there is not much else to do but wait and do little lighting tweaks which usually call for having a monitor up.

Gotta agree with this. Everyone knows the camera is a RED. Besides... it's actually bad NLP. At the exact moment someone is nervous and antsy about getting the next shot up and wanting the boot time to be faster what they see is a RED logo. Bad anchor/association. I swear I should be charging for this stuff.

Mike Prevette

07-24-2008, 12:36 PM

It's a camera, it shouldn't even "boot"

Cüneyt Kaya

07-24-2008, 12:38 PM

It's a camera, it shouldn't even "boot"

actually its a DSRL connected to a computer with a PL Mount...hehe
i know what you mean mike

Raul Gonzo

07-24-2008, 01:41 PM

i look forward to the day when "boot" and "render" are forgotten terms

Stuart English

07-24-2008, 04:31 PM

It's a camera, it shouldn't even "boot"

But its not "just" a camera, its an intelligent, file based image acquisition and playback system. So it boots ..

Mike Prevette

07-24-2008, 06:16 PM

I know I know, I just couldn't resist. I just work with to many guys that don't get the amazing amount of stuff going on inside the camera.

Every time I boot it up I am astounded at whats going on in front of me. (when it boots that is . . . sorry couldn't resist)

Brent J. Craig

07-24-2008, 06:40 PM

Gotta agree with this. Everyone knows the camera is a RED. Besides... it's actually bad NLP. At the exact moment someone is nervous and antsy about getting the next shot up and wanting the boot time to be faster what they see is a RED logo. Bad anchor/association. I swear I should be charging for this stuff.

You are so right! Red seems to forget that people other than camera geeks are seeing these outputs!

Nothing like stopping in the middle of shooting for a battery change and having the money people spend 90 seconds watching a "This expensive downtime that seems much longer than it really is has been brought to you by Red Digital Cinema" commercial!

And don't get me started on the big dramatic X's when you dare to dial in an incompatible speed or fill up a card. As if people aren't nervous enough about this mysterious camera already!

Red needs to begin concentrating more on how they are perceived by the non-technical decision makers.

tror53

07-24-2008, 07:10 PM

i look forward to the day when "boot" and "render" are forgotten terms

Amen to that.

Julian Banos

07-24-2008, 08:43 PM

I just came back from testing some time lapse shots at night on busy streets and I got a lot of codec errors, I was recording 4K 2:1 to a CF.
Basically the shots that worked were the ones during twilight, then after it got fully dark problems began, my guess is due to high contrast issues = codec error on time lapse?

Steve Freebairn

07-24-2008, 09:13 PM

You are so right! Red seems to forget that people other than camera geeks are seeing these outputs!

Nothing like stopping in the middle of shooting for a battery change and having the money people spend 90 seconds watching a "This expensive downtime that seems much longer than it really is has been brought to you by Red Digital Cinema" commercial!

And don't get me started on the big dramatic X's when you dare to dial in an incompatible speed or fill up a card. As if people aren't nervous enough about this mysterious camera already!

Red needs to begin concentrating more on how they are perceived by the non-technical decision makers.

Couldn't have said it better. Where the camera shines is when the 4k images are brought up in post and you get to see pretty images, all the people that have to wait for it on set don't get to see that side of things, so I think even the little things on set will make a big difference on how the camera is perceived.

Mark Pugh

07-24-2008, 09:37 PM

I just came back from testing some time lapse shots at night on busy streets and I got a lot of codec errors, I was recording 4K 2:1 to a CF.

on build 3.2.4?

Julian Banos

07-24-2008, 09:44 PM

on build 3.2.4?

Yes on 3.2.4. I downloaded the firmware this afternoon right before shooting.

Mark Pugh

07-24-2008, 09:58 PM

Yes on 3.2.4. I downloaded the firmware this afternoon right before shooting.

You only got the errors doing timelapse?
Did you try normal shooting at the same time?

TheBied

07-24-2008, 10:06 PM

Julian, can you please send me the log file from the camera? (t h e b i e d - a t - r e d . c o m)

Thanks.

Stuart English

07-24-2008, 10:36 PM

You are so right! Red seems to forget that people other than camera geeks are seeing these outputs!

We are quite aware of that, but there is a reality behind the technology that's being deployed to bring you these amazing images.

The system needs to boot, it won't / can't work without booting. We could go back to the way it was in Build 15 if its preferred...

Julian Banos

07-24-2008, 10:41 PM

Julian, can you please send me the log file from the camera? (t h e b i e d - a t - r e d . c o m)

Thanks.

Sure I will send them to you tomorrow morning, I have them at the office.

Hrvoje Simic

07-25-2008, 09:00 AM

OMEN, can you tell me a couple of things:

1) Are you getting the full menus, histograms, and surround view that the LCD has?

Yes, on "Menus (DVI)" output setting. Picture is slightly cropped, but nothing important, as all menus, histograms, surround view, audio meters and assists are fully visible.
Picture is also slightly stretched horizontally.

2) Is the 720p Live image pixel for Pixel, or is there some stretching involved?

It is stretched vertically to Dell's 16/10 ratio. Much more than on "menus (DVI)" setting. Also the picture is cropped and you cannot see any data. There is some small part of the surround view visible.

3) Does Build 16 1080p Playback work? Full screen?

Yep. It is also slightly stretched vertically.

4) Is the image quality consistent with the RED LCD/EVF?

Yes, depending on how you have set your monitor (Dell).

5) Is the large size a burden to transport?

That is pretty subjective. I would rather get a cheaper version Dell 248 where a lot of traveling is involved.

Matt De Jesus

07-26-2008, 07:39 AM

Tai Wah Lim

07-26-2008, 11:49 AM

I just updated to 3.2.4 and afterwards lost video to my EVF. It was working just great in the previous build. Nothing has changed other than the update. I also tried the synced/fixed option to no avail.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
-Matt

Anyone there have this same problem with 3.2.4 not firing up the EVF? Have not upgraded to 3.2.4 yet. Just want to check before I do - Lim