Red Danger

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

RED PROJECT somekind Reminds me of Alfred Bernhard Nobel The Swedish

chemist, engineer, whose behind the invention of dynamite.

Thanks RedTeam all of you for what you introduced to the whole world

Of This great affordable Technology for everyone . But here is Danger

Coming from :

Imagin after few months will gonna be more than 5 or 6 thousands of RED

All over the world .and let us assume that 30-50 % Red Owners are

Amature phtographers(COUNT ME ON) Who think themselves like Peter Jackson , Alfred Hitchcock , so on

What it will be the Future of Real Photographers And Filmmakers within this

Chaos Between The Real and The Fake

[John Logan]

cameras don't make artists...

Skill, experience, imagination, and courage make artists.

Red could cost $1, and it still wouldn't change this simple rule.

[Etienne Caron]

As Coppola said: A little fat girl in Ohio is going to be the new Mozart... with a Red in her hands ?!

;-)

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Come in Guys seriously , who will gonna see your work if others offer what

you can not ?

[Tico Llaurador]

The more people produce work that is worth viewing, the more people will find something worth their time to view.

What's so wrong with that?

[Deanan]

The desktop publishing and audio revolutions increased accessibility but they also enabled MORE demand for professional work. It's also made it possible for more control over ones work. Guys like moby would probably not exist without the home studio audio revolution.

[dvpixl]

if you are good. It will show.

[Wayne D]

if you are good. It will show.

if you not.........it will show even more....


anything that makes us all keep looking over our shoulders and keep pushing the boundries of our craft is a good thing

[ayarbro]

One problem I keep seeing (not necessarily with red alone), is that producers like cheap, and a lot of less professional owner/ops are consistently under cutting a lot of the more professionals. The good ones still get work, but it means the public may be getting more used to seeing less skilled lighting/framing/coverage. This may make it more acceptable (to producers) to use less skilled shooters.....not good...

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

One problem I keep seeing (not necessarily with red alone), is that producers like cheap, and a lot of less professional owner/ops are consistently under cutting a lot of the more professionals. The good ones still get work, but it means the public may be getting more used to seeing less skilled lighting/framing/coverage. This may make it more acceptable (to producers) to use less skilled shooters.....not good...

This is what iam afraid of . Not all of use have a chance of luck to reach
Theaters viewers ,most of us work in commercials ,music video and some stuff like that , within the existance of a lot of amatures and people whom
got enough money to have RED AND THEY DON'T Appreciate it like it suppose
to be. they will affect this kind of 7th Art in every way anyone could think about.
Imagin 3 fims in 6 days .
A punch of guys will submit a short movie within hours
what achivement is that ??
Who will gonna believe you when you say in one of your projects that you need more than one day of shooting .

[Wayne D]

i'm pretty sure this was the same arugment they were having when video came out and started impacting on film.....

[Graeme Nattress]

Deanan speaks wisely.

Graeme

[Jason Sinclair]

I've worked with a lot of professionals that you couldn't pay me to work with...

At the end of the day it is the audiences who choose what they want. Not producers, directors, dop's or ac's etc...

It's a free market.

Because of technological expense, film/video is in the hands of a wealthy few.

Coppola for example, was born into it, that's how he got an advantage as did much of his family.

The advent of technological advancements throughout history has helped give rise to artistic revolutions. The best example is the invention of the portable printing press. All those famous writers that evolved out of the 1800's including brontes, shelly, etc.. etc... Much of which influenced film.

Its called evolution and i say Bring it on and about f&^%$* time...

[mikeburton]

I think what RED is doing is helping to level the playing field. MiniDV and 35mm film is a huge quality difference. So much so that even a good film on MiniDV still doesn't hold much of a torch to a crappy 35mm film when it comes to distribution in a lot of cases (not all).
Now take the quality difference (or appearance of production value is what we are really speaking of) and now it just comes down to the story, the way it should be.
Of course, there are many variables that play into this distribution scenario but once the standard has been raised to a professional level across the board, we have finally gotten past the whole 24p, 35mm adapter, low resolution, low quality threshold which is a welcome change. Of course, the extra talented individuals will shine with what they have but could shine a bit brighter with a RED.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Accessibility and affordability will increase competition in the industry!

It will become harder to not drown in this ocean of new content.

I better get off these forums and back to improving my film-ninja skills...

Wait!... I'm learning a lot of stuff here!

Oh, well...

50:50 will do. :shiftyph34r:

[David Nardini]

One problem I keep seeing (not necessarily with red alone), is that producers like cheap, and a lot of less professional owner/ops are consistently under cutting a lot of the more professionals. The good ones still get work, but it means the public may be getting more used to seeing less skilled lighting/framing/coverage. This may make it more acceptable (to producers) to use less skilled shooters.....not good...

EXACTLY what has happened to the stills stock industry ... (sadly).
Availability of lower cost options (in some cases free for those who want their name in 'lights') tends to focus the buyers minds, even if the QUALITY is terrible.

Only a matter of time ...

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Really, all the counter effects of the red, and I think mostly scarlet, would be better quality images on crappy material, no harm done....
Imagine if kodak was giving away film, and every teen (most posts on you tube comes from teenagers I guess)... was filming on arris. That wouldnt make them good directors, neither artists.
I have seen pretty good films shot on a DVcam and they were good, and I have seen a lot of 35mm that is just not worth the expense.

What I`m more worried about, is not the effect the red one can do on the market, but the effect youtube is doing to film and TV industry.
TV and films are somehow emulating the daily reality, movies like Cloverfield... I think wouldnt been done without the youtube revolution. TV standars like Jay Leno, are reliyng a big part of the show for youtube material. And thats not the problem, people are getting "famous" for posting garbage bad quality material, and people are cheering up for `em....

[Cüneyt Kaya]

its the beginning.....lets say in 20 years...
1000 processor Computers should be available....
RT 3d Compositing.

1 guy...one computer...

talking about pro`s...they just have to learn the new tools or they are out in 5-7 years.
for sure crap will be out there...but when an established system changes they are a lot of oppurtunities to make money...

[Martin Weiss]

Did editors lose their jobs just because every OS now ships with an editing application?

Do fashion photographers have a lower daily rate today just because every mobile has a 12 megapixel camera?

Have people stopped going to the cinema just because they own a 3chip DV camera?

Guys, in the end the pictures will get better; talent will emerge earlier; everyone will have more fun (except those with lesser talent but bigger pocket books).

Make movies, not discussions…

[Cüneyt Kaya]

everyone will have more fun (except those with lesser talent but bigger pocket books).



post of the day

[Ramesh Jai]

RED is just a tool. YOU make the difference.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

YOU make the difference.


Thank you for having confidence in me. :shifty:

[Kreisky]

they have to stop production..........afther they delivered mine !

[Cüneyt Kaya]

they have to stop production..........afther they delivered mine !

you are on holidays...log out..hehe

[Hrvoje Simic]

The desktop publishing and audio revolutions increased accessibility but they also enabled MORE demand for professional work. It's also made it possible for more control over ones work. Guys like moby would probably not exist without the home studio audio revolution.

That pretty much sums it up.


its the beginning.....lets say in 20 years...
1000 processor Computers should be available....


4 x ATI 4870 = 2400 stream processors

+ 10 bit display support

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonhd4800/specs.html



RT 3d Compositing.


Already happening.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/



Software is the one that has to catch up.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

That pretty much sums it up.



4 x ATI 4870 = 2400 stream processors

+ 10 bit display support

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonhd4800/specs.html



Already happening.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/



Software is the one that has to catch up.




Up to 1,048,576 cores today
the IBM blue gene
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/deepcomputing/bluegene/


so the future is really fast...:)
what do you think, how long will it take to make it affordable?

[number6]

Already happening.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/




Wow! These are good times.

[Hrvoje Simic]

what do you think, how long will it take to make it affordable?

ATI 4870 = $299
:-)

[Cüneyt Kaya]

ATI 4870 = $299
:-)

great...:)

[Kreisky]

you are on holidays...log out..hehe

You are so right !
Im a junkie dude !

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

ATI 4870 = $299
:-)

Is it compatiable with Redcine ? for what machine ?

[Florian Stadler]

I think the future holds the opposite. As newspapers and books die and bandwidth ever widens, the demand for high quality visuals is going to increase exponentially. Those who can create high quality visuals will be working a lot. Also remember that content is king.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Books were always for the few. They will continue to be.

Newspapers? OK.

But no iShit can take away the paperback experience.

[Obin Olson]

Did editors lose their jobs just because every OS now ships with an editing application?

Do fashion photographers have a lower daily rate today just because every mobile has a 12 megapixel camera?

Have people stopped going to the cinema just because they own a 3chip DV camera?

Guys, in the end the pictures will get better; talent will emerge earlier; everyone will have more fun (except those with lesser talent but bigger pocket books).

Make movies, not discussions…

Let the suck talent burn out unable to hide behind the "cost" of ownership for the "right" to get the work... :)

[Jason Sinclair]

time is a great storyteller..
-swedish proverb

[Ed Watkins]

As my Grandma always used to say
"The chaff will always be sorted from the wheat."

It doesn't matter if it is gold plated chaff, it's still chaff.

[M.Halsell]

The world is a big place. There is probably more than enough room and tolerance for the all genres (good and bad). 5000 reds is still a small amount amount compared to the volume of Sonys, Panys, Canons. So I don't understand the panic. Everyone that has grit and determination in their kit, along with RED will be fine.