Mac vs. PC for Premiere?

[Joel Kaye]

With CS3 being written for OSX and OSX accessing more ram, AE having full 8 Core support are there any big reasons to run Premiere on XP instead of OSX on a new Mac? (I know Cineform's render engine is PC only at the moment).

[Raul Gonzo]

hi joelnet, I am running premiere on both platforms and the only difference is premiere on osx isn,t as stable as the windows version. Don,t get me wrong- it hardly ever crashes. Maybe 4 or 5 times since I got it (when it first came out)- but on windows- it has never crashed. That could be a leopard thing, not sure. Yet, these 8 x 3.2 harpertown processors (with 16 gb ram) make my pc a snail.


I would still take the osx version in a heartbeat... (shrugs)

[Mike Harrington]

cs3 is not 64 bit in either platform
cs4 will be 64 bit for windows 64
cs4 will not be 64 bit for osx

cs4 will be out soon and i have 8 gigs of memory waiting for it....with windows of course....so as far as the memory thing is concerned your better with windows.(64 bit of course)



but bottom line, for memory windows 64 will serve you better when thinking of the immediate future.
adobe has to rewrite there base from carbon to cocoa in order for 64 bit support in osx (along with every other software)

[Jarred Land]

The recent release of 64bit LIGHTROOM 2 for OSX (via cocoa) was a good sign.. obviously this was much easier for them to pull off but it is nice to see a start somewhere.

[Harrison Diamond]

Is there any written confirmation that the ENTIRETY of CS4 will not be 64-bit for OS X? All I have seen references Photoshop *only*.

Premiere Pro for Mac was written from the ground up for CS3, and didn't debut until 6 months after Adobe Lightroom's formal release, a year and a half after it was a public beta for OS X. This indicates to me that Premiere may well be written in Cocoa, which would enable a relatively smooth transition to 64-bit.

[Jarred Land]

We will hafta wait and see what happens... but i can say i will be very excited when it happens.

Unfortunately alot of people say that the payoff from the work involved to moving to a 64bit engine ( in adobe's case millions of lines of code ) isn't significant enough, but I can sure tell the difference in lightroom working with a healthy library of my 22 and 39 megapixel image files.

[Bruce Allen]

The recent release of 64bit LIGHTROOM 2 for OSX (via cocoa) was a good sign.. obviously this was much easier for them to pull off but it is nice to see a start somewhere.

Jarred, when Adobe started writing CS4, Apple was still promising that Carbon would be 64bit. Apple only announced their change of mind at last year's WWDC (Adobe had no forward warning).

I'd say chances are zero that Photoshop, Premiere or After Effects (eg all their old Carbon apps) next versions will be 64bit for Mac.
EDIT: whoops, forgot Premiere is a new app, so it'd be Cocoa, and probably 64-bit

If you read John Nack's blog, Ars Technica, etc there are a bunch of articles on it.

As for Mac vs PC for Premiere... Macs are good value in the high end but the PCs run away with it for the low end. Look at dealnews.com - last time I checked you could get a quad-core Dell with 3gb RAM, Radeon gfx card, Vista and TWO 22" monitors for about $750.

Depends on how indie you are, I guess. I'm definitely on an indie budget, so stick with PCs. Other people like to blow thousands of dollars on stuff. That's cool by me because those rich folks are helping fund computing advances that'll trickle down to the $600 PCs in a year or so ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Jarred Land]

Yeah Bruce i think everyone knows the "public" backstory on the finger pointing back and forth.. but if you step back and take a look at the big picture, it all comes down to where the priorities are placed on the board.... like it always is.

[Bruce Allen]

Yeah Bruce i think everyone knows the "public" backstory on the finger pointing back and forth.. but if you step back and take a look at the big picture, it all comes down to where the priorities are placed on the board.... like it always is.

Sorry, I didn't think you did from your previous comments on the thread. It's pretty clear that Photoshop and After Effects will be 64-bit in CS5, not CS4.

I forgot that Premiere Pro is a new app for Mac. In that case it is Cocoa so will probably be 64-bit next time.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Jarred Land]

fair enough.... my "wait to see what happens" i guess could be taken both ways... what I've learned though, is never to say there is zero percent chance of ANYTHING happening :)

[Bruce Allen]

fair enough.... my "wait to see what happens" i guess could be taken both ways... what I've learned though, is never to say there is zero percent chance of ANYTHING happening :)

Duly noted! Especially since you Red guys have a pretty good track record of making that "zero percent chance" stuff actually happen...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Mike Harrington]

As for Mac vs PC for Premiere... Macs are good value in the high end but the PCs run away with it for the low end. Look at dealnews.com - last time I checked you could get a quad-core Dell with 3gb RAM, Radeon gfx card, Vista and TWO 22" monitors for about $750.

one caveat a lot of people don't consider....
although the high end macs are a fantastic value....compared to dell ect

I can't build my own mac
I can build my own PC

I was tempted to go mac 8 core by the base price, but when i saw that i could build an 8 core skulltrail with 4 times the ram wayyyyy more storage, and significantly better video card,for about $400 cheaper, i changed my mind.
every computer in our studio (5 of them) is a custom build...

so if you don't mind a couple hours of your time to build it....high end PC is even more of a fantastic value.Not to mention way more hardware options.

I wish i could get some of those mac cases though