How about the LCD?

[sander kamp]

I haven't heard anybody say anything positive about the LCD. The viewing angle seems to be limited and people seem to think it is no good for viewing in sunlight. Has anybody had a close look at it? Or can someone from RED comment? How does it compare to other LCD's?

I don't have the money to buy both the viewfinder and the LCD and I was kind of going for the LCD but now I am confused...

[Michael Mann]

I'd like to know, too. Who has seen the LCD and can share first impressions? Thanks in advance.

[Ivan G]

I think the answer will come once the first 10 reserve holders get their camera and hope they have an LCD.

[sander kamp]

Thousands of people in the RED booth and nobody had a look at the LCD? :huh:

[Paul Wizikowski]

I talked with a DP friend of mine about the LCD. And he seemed concerned about its limited viewing angle. Personally the conditions in the booth were not what most on-set setups will be like, particularly those outdoors. If you have reservations about the LCD, the alternative is, in my opinion, spectacular. I really liked the EVF. Its the way I am going.

[Steve Gibby]

At a quick lookover, the LCD looked good to me. I'm buying the LCD and the EVF. When we test my RED #8 shortly we'll have some feedback on the LCD and EVF, along with everything else.

[sander kamp]

I am afraid that just having the EVF isn't very practical. You're limited to only one person viewing and there are many occasions where looking in the EVF would be difficult, like in low-angle work.

The RED LCD is also the only one that will show extra data like guide lines and such, since they are not on the HDMI output.

So I can understand having both the LCD and the EVF is the best solution but it is quite a bit of money extra (I am not saying that it is expensive!).

[Michael Schrengohst]

Don't the guidelines and other data show up in the EVF?
And I thought the EVF was adjustable to any angle?
Doesn't the EVF attach with one of those arms? That should mean
you could even swival the EVF out to the side?

[Craig Bowman]

As long as we are talking about viewing accessories, can the cables be chained together. Could two ten footers becomes one twenty footer?

[sander kamp]

Don't the guidelines and other data show up in the EVF?
And I thought the EVF was adjustable to any angle?
Doesn't the EVF attach with one of those arms? That should mean
you could even swival the EVF out to the side?

Yes, as far as I know all the extras appear in the EVF as well. But even with a very adjustable EVF you are still limited in your moves with a low angle camera. You just can't turn your body that easily when you're on your knees and when you turn the camera you turn the EVF away.

[Steve Gibby]

If you shoot multiple genres of cine-style and EFP style, which I do, having both the LCD and EVF is necessary. If you shoot a more limited range of genres, and you're on a challenged budget initially, then you'll need to decide whether the EVF or LCD is best suited to what you shoot. Then when you can afford it, having both the LCD and EVF will help you to effectively shoot a wider range of projects - and thus generate more revenue with your RED One system.

[Paul Hazlett]

if you need to buy one or the other for budget purposes, IMO you should get
the evf, and use the hdi out with a lower cost hd lcd. Personally I am getting both so an assistant can view timecode and such, but I think the EVF is more
beneficial for the shooter.

[Júlio Taubkin]

I am afraid that just having the EVF isn't very practical. You're limited to only one person viewing and there are many occasions where looking in the EVF would be difficult, like in low-angle work.

The RED LCD is also the only one that will show extra data like guide lines and such, since they are not on the HDMI output.

So I can understand having both the LCD and the EVF is the best solution but it is quite a bit of money extra (I am not saying that it is expensive!).

I agree that sometimes it's nice having an LCD ready, but the Viewfinder is still the primary way to operate cameras just as it have been for about a century. Besides, less people watching the shot from over your shoulder, the better. One of the most annoying things in DV shoots - even when you set up a monitor!

[Craig Schober]

if you need to buy one or the other for budget purposes, IMO you should get
the evf, and use the hdi out with a lower cost hd lcd. Personally I am getting both so an assistant can view timecode and such, but I think the EVF is more
beneficial for the shooter.

i'm confused. everyone keeps stating cons of lcd is the viewing angle and not being able to have more than 1 person look simultaneously but these are the cons of the evf! lcd might not be as ideal as a large monitor but people use them because there is some play in the viewing angle and you can definitely have a few people (albeit tightly) looking simultaneously at it. try doing any of that with an evf.

and i don't see how you're saving on budget by buying only and evf and an hd lcd monitor. you don't need color accuracy during most productions and assuming the magic focus does it's job, you shouldn't need a large lcd either.

i'm not against the evf but if my bolex 16pro somehow supported an lcd, i would probably use that. i guess the lcd was a natural extension of the videotap but i'm not answering to any producers or directors and assume that budget minded redheads aren't either. i just prefer the flexibility of the lcd in most situations.

i'm just trying to think beyond tradition. just because it's worked for the past 100 years, doesn't make it work for red automatically. i mean we are trying to transition to digital cinema so doesn't it stand to reason that we adopt some new techniques and drop some old ones. i've had both lcd and evf on every videocam of mine for the past 10 years and never looked through the evf except under bright sunlight. and even then i could always tweak the lcd angle for the best viewing without having to hunch over the camera like with the evf.

[Brook Willard]

As long as we are talking about viewing accessories, can the cables be chained together. Could two ten footers becomes one twenty footer?

No, 10' is the maximum distance. If you need more, use HDSDI from the preview output.

[Júlio Taubkin]

Well it obviously depends on personal choice. I'm worried if the displays have any kind of lagging, but I think we will only be able to tell once people start receiving their cameras

[jay]

I've never tried it, but I've always thought that a head mounted eyepiece would be the ideal way to shoot. I guess the resolution/weight ratio just isn't high enough with current head mounted display technology yet, but if thats the case it sounds like just the job for RED. ;) Are there any other disadvantages that anyone can think of with this kind of setup? (I suppose disorientation could be a factor, heheh) Of course I think that if anyone else is looking at the viewfinder they should have their own display. I usually prefer the dark contrast of the EVF myself, but I'm an XL1 shooter.
Does anyone by chance know the pixel count of either of these RED displays? Is the EVF LCD technology?

[Brook Willard]

A head-mounted display will often cause disorientation and motion sickness. It can be pretty rough depending on what you're doing.

[Jannard]

I talked with a DP friend of mine about the LCD. And he seemed concerned about its limited viewing angle. Personally the conditions in the booth were not what most on-set setups will be like, particularly those outdoors. If you have reservations about the LCD, the alternative is, in my opinion, spectacular. I really liked the EVF. Its the way I am going.

The LCD is great if you are somewhere near it while shooting. If you are three feet to the side of it and you are the camera operator, you might have some trouble. :-)

The EVF is better.

Jim

[Ken Corben]

I gotta' say when I saw the LCD powered up at the RED booth and was told that the camera data will be displayed as well I smiled ear to ear. This is the ultimate tool for underwater shooters.

Built into its own housing mounted on a ball joint this RED accessory is a must have - very nice!