Attn: Red Team....Red One Lottery?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Ok, I've seen just how much the Red team actually listens to its customer base. Here is what I'm proposing to Team Red:

Red Lotteries

Here is how it works....

To get into the lottery, you pay like $100 bucks. When the lottery batch has reached at least 300 people, you make a drawing. Why 300? Do the math... It's $30,000! The economics of this lottery would work. Someone could get a pimped out Red One for only $100 and Red wouldn't loose any money doing it either! The Reduser.net forum already has like over 1,800 members... So getting several groups of 300 people together every so often for Red Lotteries should be easy. I mean common, whats $100 and a 1/300 chance of winning a Red One? Its WAY better than powerball.....

So how about it guys! Lets do this.

Thanks,

[Mardi_Gras]

Great idea, Chris! But hey, I just did the math over here too... say I enter the lottery ten times and never win, that's 1k gone into funding OP's RedOnes. That'll hurt real bad, I gotta say. Think about it.

[Ken Corben]

Great Idea - a 1 in 300 chance to win a RED camera package. Only one problem, the California legal definition of the idea is a raffle and:

Raffles have been illegal in California. The California Constitution was amended by initiative, to allow the Legislature to authorize private, nonprofit, eligible organizations to operate raffles to provide funding for beneficial and charitable works. SB 639 was passed on August 30, 2000, was enrolled and signed by the governor in September of 2000. It became effective July 1, 2001.

Any entity that wishes to use raffles as a means of raising funds must be aware of this law, as it has specific requirements, including a requirement for most organizations that it register annually with the Department of Justice (Attorney General). Forms can be obtained from the Attorney General’s website, along with a copy of the entire law (Penal Code 320.5). See: The Attorney General's webpage on Nonprofit Raffles
Raffle tickets must have detachable coupon and both the ticket and coupon must be marked with a unique and matching identifier.

Winners must be determined by draw; the draw must be conducted under supervision of a person 18 years of age or older.

At least 90% of gross receipts must be used by the eligible organization "to benefit or provide support for beneficial or charitable purposes" (for itself or another eligible organization). Expenses of the raffle can be paid from other funds not derived from the raffle itself.

The raffle cannot benefit officers, directors or members.

Funds raised through a raffle in California may not be used outside of California.

A person selling raffle tickets is not treated as an employee if the remuneration is tied to sales rather than hours worked and there is a written contract that provides that the person will not be treated as an employee.

An eligible organization is a "private, nonprofit organization" that has been qualified to conduct business in CA for at least one year prior to conducting a raffle and is exempt from tax under section 23701a, 23701b, 23701d, 23701e, 23701f, 23701g, 23701k, 23701l, 23701t or 23701w, of the Revenue and Taxation Code.

Any person who receives compensation in connection with operation of the raffle (as opposed to selling raffle tickets) must be employee, and compensation may not be paid from revenues required to be dedicated to beneficial or charitable purposes (e.g. raffle proceeds).

No raffle may be conducted by means of a gaming machine

The raffle may not be advertised, operated or conducted over the internet, nor may raffle tickets be sold, traded or redeemed over the internet.

An organization cannot engage in a raffle with another person or entity other than another eligible organization (e.g. no for-profit entity may be involved with a raffle).

No organization may conduct a raffle unless it is registered annually with the Department of Justice (Attorney General), pays an annual registration fee (currently $20) and file annual reports thereafter. The registration and reporting requirements do not apply to religious corporation sole or any other religious corporation or organization that holds property for religious purposes; however such an organization must still comply with the remaining requirements.

Raffles are exempt from compliance with this law only if there is a general and indiscriminate distributing of tickets which are offered on the same terms as tickets for which a donation is given, and the scheme does not require ANY of the participants to pay for a chance to win.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Great idea, Chris! But hey, I just did the math over here too... say I enter the lottery ten times and never win, that's 1k gone into funding OP's RedOnes. That'll hurt real bad, I gotta say. Think about it.

OP's? What is that? And yeah, I know what you mean about losing 1k, but hey, thats why they call it a lottery right? LOL:biggrin: They could bump the pool number up a little bit more, but then your odds get worse. At any rate, I'd be willing to enter at least two of them.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Ah crap! Why not just have it be based somewhere else, LOL. Incorporate in Delaware, thats what they always tell me.....:usd:

[Mardi_Gras]

OP's? What is that?
OP's - Other People's

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I bet if we try, we can find a way to make this happen legally. There's always some kind of loop hole.

[James T Mather]

and that pretty much ended that.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

:rip_1:

[Ace]

Go to vegas, put 100 on Red. Repeat.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Wait a minute, how do coke and and other companies get away with people buying products in order to have a chance at winning some kind of prize (ie, cars, vacations, out right cash...)? However they do this, surely Red must be able to find a way, I'm serious. Maybe its because they are buying a product, ah, I think I smell the loop hole already...:shifty:

[Ken Corben]

Wait a minute, how do coke and and other companies get away with people buying products in order to have a chance at winning some kind of prize (ie, cars, vacations, out right cash...)? However they do this, surely Red must be able to find a way, I'm serious. Maybe its because they are buying a product, ah, I think I smell the loop hole already...:shifty:

Legal definition of a "contest" when you read the fine print "no purchase necessary - to enter to win simply..."


Go to vegas, put 100 on Red. Repeat.

LMAO:bleh:

[Chris Nuzzaco]

True, but hey, you still gotta find that bottle cap right? Well let's say red sells something small, like a medallion. If you find the winning mark on the inside of your package, you can turn it in and win, but if you hand that to someone else, someone who didn't buy it, they could still win! TADA! :sorcerer: This might actually work. please oh please oh please........

[Ken Corben]

Chris,

I'm on your side buddy and just playing Devil's advocate like Jim's team of lawyers would do if he even considered it - which ain't gonna' happen.

It's always nice to dream though...

[Chris Nuzzaco]

:bye2: I hope they read this and at least think about, if not for a microns worth of a second. But really, I wonder if the Contest approach would work for them...

[Ace]

I imagine gambling would not go down well with the addictive nature of this forum + red. :)

[Chris Nuzzaco]

:) Well, now its officially a Contest proposal :biggrin:

[Ken Corben]

:) Well, now its officially a Contest proposal :biggrin:

I must say I like your persistence. BTW - your web site is very solid unlike your grip on REALITY:clown2:

[Mardi_Gras]

I must say I like your persistence. BTW - your web site is very solid unlike your grip on REALITY:clown2:

Give Chris a slack, Sharkguy.:clown2:

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I must say I like your persistence. BTW - your web site is very solid unlike your grip on REALITY:clown2:

LOL, well, I'm a dreamer man :w00t: . BTW, I made my site in the oh so powerful Notepad program...Serious.

[Ken Corben]

Give Chris a slack, Sharkguy.:clown2:

Like I said earlier I am on Chris's side and am merely pulling his chain - hell I'd enter to win wouldn't you?

Go get 'em Chris

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Like I said earlier I am on Chris's side and am merely pulling his chain - hell I'd enter to win wouldn't you?

Go get 'em Chris

Hell yeah!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I imagine gambling would not go down well with the addictive nature of this forum + red. :)

You're right. I'd be screwed.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Go to vegas, put 100 on Red. Repeat.

bravo!
better odds prolly

[Craig Schober]

i already took my gamble when i put my reserve money down. and i think it has or at least will pay off. maybe some red newcomers need a contest to get excited and get the word out but i feel like i already won.

don't get me wrong, i would probably enter and love to win but there's also something great about putting down an "investment" and watching it grow like red. i'll happily plunck down my 30+k for a full red setup because i know i'm getting a great product and support for a great price.

[Johnny Friday]

What are the odds and payback for betting $100 on double green on the roulette wheel. Would I be too far off to say they are similar to the original proposal? I never win at that thing anyway......black or red for that matter. Hey, I don't like the odds of 1 in 300.....do you REALLY like those odds? would you cross that wooden bridge spanning the 1000' canyon drop---mabye, but would you keep throwing a 100 bucks till you win? might not work out well. I tried that in vegas fifteen years ago with doubling down everytime I lost at 21 to win my $$ back---WOW was that a mistake.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Wow, quite the response! Well, now I'm saying lets do a contest, and hey, maybe just a one time deal each year or something. It'd be cool, we could all buy something small from red like hats or whatever, maybe even something useful like a pen. Point is I think it would be cool to do. And Red is about advancing people's cinematic options right? This would be great, if only one time ever, or only once each year. I don't want Red to have to take a financial hit, so we all need to put something down you know.

[wshultz]

If you buy all 300 tickets you'd probably win...

[Jaime Vallés]

If you buy all 300 tickets you'd probably win...
THAT'S funny! :tongue:

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Ok, now I've said this several times, its now a contest One that would happen only so often, like once a year, maybe only one time ever. Why are people so against this new approach?

[RayFrisby]

Why not Maverick !! with that name I can see your a gambeling man.

[The Subsidiary]

We could all buy something small from red like hats or whatever, maybe even something useful like a pen. Point is I think it would be cool to do. And Red is about advancing people's cinematic options right? This would be great, if only one time ever, or only once each year. I don't want Red to have to take a financial hit, so we all need to put something down you know.


How about some specially designed Oakley Red edition shades? $150 let's you have something like a 1/30 chance, whatever???....At the end of the day, even if you don't win, you have some sweet shades.

[RayFrisby]

Any news on the lottery Maverick ??

"Remember if you set it up they will come"

You can count me in if you do !

[Gavin Greenwalt]

The pop bottle example is flawed you don't have to find a bottle cap without purchasing to enter that's not what they mean by "no purchase necessary" all you have to do is just send in a 3x5 card with your name and address on it with a self addressed envelope. They'll send you a bottle cap or code or label or whatever you need.