RED ONE remote control

[David Nardini]

Dear RED team, what would be the 'recommended' approach to :


control the camera via radio control link (& what functions could be made available) ?
is the bandwidth of the feed going to the viewfinder (down sampleded ? monochrome ?) small enough to be sent over a radio link ?


Any comments welcomed, even if it's early days :)

[Stuart English]

Still subject to change of course ....

Camera Control - Use of an 802.11 protocol transciever in an SD Card or USB form factor should be sufficent for most camera remote control applications.

Video - no current solutions exist for HD resolution video to be delivered over wireless, however several companies are working on HDMI based HD over wireless in the consumer electronics space.

Although for now HD video must be wired - HD-SDI, DVI, HDMI - that may not be so in the long term.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Still subject to change of course ....

Camera Control - Use of an 802.11 protocol transciever in an SD Card or USB form factor should be sufficent for most camera remote control applications.

Video - no current solutions exist for HD resolution video to be delivered over wireless, however various companies working on just such a problem in the consumer electronics space. So although for now HD video needs to be wired - via HD-SDI, DVI or HDMI - that may not be so in the medium term.


What about the RED ONE remote control with iPhone:

The RED ONE could have an option in the camera for scaling a picture to the the iPhone's (turn the iPhone) "Landscape" size/mode (3.5 inch, 320x480px, 160 pixels per inch) and that small size video could stream wirelessly to the iPhone. There in the iPhone could be installed a third party REMOTE software app written for a mobile version of the MAC OS X to control a whole functionality of the cam. With all data streamed from the RED ONE we could get a LIVE MONITORING on the iPhone's LCD and with the iPhone touch screen interface you could also remote control the RED ONE functions, menu, etc. Pretty cool.

Apple reinvented the phones. The RED ONE will reinvent the digital cinema cameras for sure. Apple and RED could merge in the implementation of REMOTE...

...It's Just a Dream, It's Just a Dream...

...According to the reports no third party software is allowed to be installed on iPhone now. Third party developers won't be able to extend the functionality of the phone any more than Apple dictates. It's not extensible by third parties, only Apple. Until when nobody knows except Apple. Maybe one day...or it's again just a dream..."While the iPhone is only extendable by Apple, it is indeed a platform and new applications can be installed. Many carriers lock their smartphones as well and only allow "trusted" applications to be installed."(http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/gartenberg/archives/2007/01/whats_missing_f.html)

[Erik Rangel]

Stop it I'm drooling all over my keyboard.:D

[Sanjin Jukic]

Relax, keep cool, take shower or if you CANNOT get better than go out and vomit.

[Joe Aurili]

What will be the simple remote solution? I need small remote to at least start and stop recording. Wired would work, but wireless would be nicer. Will any solution be included with the camera body? Will a simple remote option be released the same time as the body? I don't want to carry a laptop or extra equipment with me just to start and stop the camera :)

[Jarred Land]

yes at CES i think there was at least 3 companies announcing wireless HDMI products for the consumer.

good news indeed.

[Sanjin Jukic]

HDMI: Past, Present, and Future
http://www.denguru.com/2007/01/08/hdmi-past-present-and-future/

[JohnF]

What will be the simple remote solution? I need small remote to at least start and stop recording. Wired would work, but wireless would be nicer. Will any solution be included with the camera body? Will a simple remote option be released the same time as the body? I don't want to carry a laptop or extra equipment with me just to start and stop the camera :)

Exactly what I need too. Wired start/stop for starting the camera when at tricky angles or when vibration might be an issue plus compatible with current intervalometers out there right now. Wireless devices could be plugged into the same socket. As for wireless picture outs there's enough outputs on RED to run whatever you want.

JohnF

[David Nardini]

Still subject to change of course ....

Camera Control - Use of an 802.11 protocol transciever in an SD Card or USB form factor should be sufficent for most camera remote control applications.

Video - no current solutions exist for HD resolution video to be delivered over wireless, however several companies are working on HDMI based HD over wireless in the consumer electronics space.

Although for now HD video must be wired - HD-SDI, DVI, HDMI - that may not be so in the long term.

By remote I mean up to 1.5km (approx 1 mile) away ... thus radio control. I've not studied 802.xx in detail, but I suspect it's not designed for those kind of distances (I may be very wrong here).

As for video relay, perhaps a monochrome pencil/helmet camera clamped on the RED will be sufficient to help with aim.

[Rob Lohman]

Since it will just be TCP/IP over 802.11 you can route that into a special box that can send that signal over fiber or a point to point radio transmission. Shouldn't be too hard to do.

[Stuart English]

Well at that distance, its fibre. It looks like we will have an unused strand of fibre in the optical cable, so commands could be packetized and send back to the camera, where a breakout box could decode those commands and feed them to the camera via 802.11 as Rob describes or a physical input such as USB or RS232 port (there is one embedded in one of the other multi-pin connectors)

[David Nardini]

... so commands could be packetized and send back to the camera, where a breakout box could decode those commands ... physical input such as USB or RS232 port (there is one embedded in one of the other multi-pin connectors)

Hi Stuart / Rob,

I appreciate fibre is an option, but not doable for what I have in mind (RED cannot be tethered).

I assume these native RED controlling 'commands' will be published at some stage ... ?

If we are talking Telnet like commands over TCP/IP I guess I need to figure out how these can be squirted over the airways, received at the RED end (via a receiver mounted on the RED), and issued directly into the serial port (be it USB or RS232) ...

Unclear what encoding / decoding is required ??? (other than the airways protocol carrying the TCP/IP 'packets').

I am getting warmer ???

Cheers

[markw]

By remote I mean up to 1.5km (approx 1 mile) away ... thus radio control. I've not studied 802.xx in detail, but I suspect it's not designed for those kind of distances (I may be very wrong here).

As for video relay, perhaps a monochrome pencil/helmet camera clamped on the RED will be sufficient to help with aim.


With high-gain (parabolic) antennae, you can get up to 18 miles or so with 802.11x in a line-of-sight arrangement. The distance is constrained by the latency in the ping pong nature of the protocol, similar to the 100m limitation of copper ethernet.

M