Where to get a realistic gun?

[cooreets]

Does anybody know where to get good toy-gun which you can photograph in closeup and still it'll look like a real one? I'm particulary interested in:

RAGING BULL MODEL 444 .44 MAG. REVOLVER (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=202&category=Revolver)

or

Smith&Wesson Model 500 Revolver (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=12761&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y)

[Tom Lowe]

where are you located? cop prop shop in LA has lots of good prop guns. i own a realistic prop 9mm automatic, but not any revolvers.

you might just use a real one for up-close work. they are very easy to clear, obviously, so safety would not be an issue.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

http://blank-guns-depot.com/

[Craig Ryan]

"Well, we're not just gonna let you walk outta here..."
"..Who's 'we', sucka?"
"Me...and Smith, and Wesson.."

[Leo Ticheli]

Just one note on blank firing guns; they can be just as deadly as real guns, so the same precautions are required.

Good shooting (moving pictures) and best regards,

Leo

[Dylan Reeve]

Wait, you guys are in the US, can't you just go and buy one at K-Mart or something?

We had an 8mm blank-firing gun for our 48Hours film (not that we fired it at all) - but the barrel was plugged, which was annoying on a few shots.

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Wait, you guys are in the US, can't you just go and buy one at K-Mart or something?

We had an 8mm blank-firing gun for our 48Hours film (not that we fired it at all) - but the barrel was plugged, which was annoying on a few shots.

That`s right! They can find the real thing on K-mart, JC Penny, or any convenienve store, I heard that the Quick E Mart gives you a beretta when you buy 8 six pack of Duff beer.

Anyway, what`s hard to find is the real looking imitations. :shifty:

Dude! Go for the real thing like Stroheim used to do, that was a real fear on the actor`s eyes with the gun fully loaded :cold: :tongue:

[Nick Gardner]

I highly recommend Not Guns. They make a nice pop that everyone can react to, but you don't need ear plugs, the muzzle flash lasts for 3 frames, so you always get it, and if the retard actor screws up and points it directly at the steadicam operators face even from 1 foot away you will be fine.

Call your local fire arms handler.

Nick

[Fredrik Callinggard]

the muzzle flash lasts for 3 frames, so you always get it,

I believe that's crucial for RED with it's rolling shutter :waaa:

[Finner]

Just one note on blank firing guns; they can be just as deadly as real guns, so the same precautions are required.

Good shooting (moving pictures) and best regards,

Leo

Exactly

Do not under any circumstances bring a blank firing gun to set without a certified armourer to accompany it. A blank was what killed Brandon Lee on the set of the crow 2 and many others have been killed or hurt badly by blanks.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Not that a plugged barrel totally prevents something from shooting out of the shell, I've used two guns from Blank Guns Depot last summer without one single problem. We shot over 100 blanks in the film and everyone was good.

We took the necessary precautions just in case, but I hope people who have blank guns in their possession are practicing safe shooting.

[cooreets]

Actually, I live in Europe and not only they( http://blank-guns-depot.com/ ) do not have what I need, they do not ship to my country. I found one gun that I like here though: http://www.pyramydair.com/p/smith-wesson-586-air-gun.shtml (http://www.pyramydair.com/p/smith-wesson-586-air-gun.shtml), so maybe someone would be kind enough to get one and put it on ebay or something?

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Actually I found this page (http://www.armasdecoleccion.com/) a while ago.
The store is in Spain, so I guess there wouldt be a problem for you.

[Paul Lee]

arrinick,
Do you have a link or anything to Not Guns? Can't find anything but sounds interesting. Thanks.

[Noah Kadner]

Before you go blow yourself or someone else away I cannot recommend highly enough the DV Rebel's Guide. It shows you how to do guns safely and impressively from where to buy to how to do safe, fake but realistic hits and blood hits:

http://rebelsguide.com/

-Noah

[Leo Ticheli]

This site may be of help to you. http://www.shortyusa.com/

AirSoft guns look frighteningly like the real thing.

Please remember these guns can be dangerous both to the target and the shooter; never use one in an unsecured arena where the action could be misinterpreted as real. Intervention by police or an armed citizen could be disastrous.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo

[Jorge Díaz-Amador]

Keep in mind... most actors have *no clue* how to safely handle guns. They violate rule #2: Keep your finger off the trigger until the gun is safely pointed at a target. (Rule #1 is: All guns are loaded).

Filming the shootout scene in "Suicide Blonde" (the only complete scene that I was DP on in that picture), we had one actor using a 12 Ga. shotgun with very heavily loaded blanks (the SFX guy was a bit too eager). I noticed he was keeping his finger on the trigger, but I did not get a chance to say anything since I was dealing with a very intense and insecure first time director.

After one take, he walked away with the shotgun pointed down, and then *BOOM* it went off because his finger was still on the trigger and the shotgun's weight pulled it down, creating pressure on the trigger.

He narrowly missed his foot, and the blank made a shallow crater in a ceramic floor tile (in the brand new model house which we did significant damage to).

I doubt he learned his lesson, but I did. Sometimes as a DP you have to use your position to throw a little weight around where safety is concerned. A lot of young crew people are afraid to say anything - even when their safety is at risk. There's just this B.S. mentality of "Keep your mouth shut and don't complain or they'll never hire you again and badmouth you to everyone".

If you're the most experienced person on the set, no one else is saying anything, and it's a safety issue, then SAY SOMETHING! Be polite, don't get personal, but say it.

[Nick Gardner]

Here's how it's supposed to be done on set -

AD -"Saftey meeting" all cast and crew assemble and stop what they are doing, Then the AD explains what is involved in the shot with the fire arms.

Armorer - Explains what type of gun they are using - Dummy gun,non firing replica, real gun with blanks, non gun, etc. At this point a demonstration shot can be fired so the cast and crew know what to expect. Ear plugs are passed out if needed. Face shields should be given to camera personel in the line of fire if required. For all rehearsals that require the actual weapon, The gun is shown to the actor, the clip is removed to show that there are no rounds loaded, the chamber is opened to show there is no round in the chamber, and the barrel is inspected to make sure there are no obstructions. As soon as the AD says CUT, the armorer takes the weapons back. If additional rehearsals are required, the process should be repeated.

When it's time to shoot, if there are 3 shots to be fired, the armorer loads three rounds into the weapon, "Weapons are hot! Three rounds being fired"" is clearly and loudly announced. The weapon is given to the actor just prior to rolling, and collected as soon as the AD yells cut. In the event of a miss fire, the actor should point the weapon at the ground, and raise his other hand in the air. The armorer will come and take the weapon and clear it and the whole thing starts all over.

This is the procedure that should be followed (or something close to it). On non union movies, and indies where there is a low budget, you should ask for, the above. If they don't want to do it that way, you probley shouldn't be working on the movie.

Play safe,

Nick

[Dylan Reeve]

I shot myself in the foot with a paintball gun during the safety briefing. This despite the fact that I have firearms training.. *sigh*

[Paul Lee]

Here in Boulder, Colorado, 'safety meaning' sometimes means something else...

[GlennChan]

I shot myself in the foot with a paintball gun during the safety briefing.

Reminds of this... gun safety demo gone wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9JiPSXwwc

[Jorge Díaz-Amador]

Reminds of this... gun safety demo gone wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9JiPSXwwc

"I'm the only one in this room professional enough that I know I can carry this Glock .40"...*BOOM*

Hard to believe it's real. Like a comedy skit. The timing is perfect.

Could have been a lot worse. But it just goes to prove the rule "All guns are loaded".

[Dylan Reeve]

Reminds of this... gun safety demo gone wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9JiPSXwwc

Yeah it felt a bit like that (not physically) at the time....
Instructor: ...and remember, treat the paintball gun as if it were loaded and ready to fire at all times, keep your finger off the trigger until you...
[bang]
Dylan: Owww, shit.

[Andrew Walker]

That DEA agent is a dumbass. There are just some people that can't grasp the idea of how a gun works and how dangerous it is. I take people out to go shooting for there first time a lot. But when I do teach them I'm right behind them to make sure they can't do anything too stupid to endanger themselves, me or others around them.

But as far as trying to get some guns for a film I think that's been covered by others. The one short that I did that had a lot of gun play in it, we used real guns with real bullets. Only because we were out in the middle of the woods where we normally go shooting anyways.

[GlennChan]

But when I do teach them I'm right behind them to make sure they can't do anything too stupid to endanger themselves, me or others around them.
Drew, hopefully not like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqYznDU1gY&feature=related

[Joseph Hutson]

Wait for the Scarlet camera...it looks like a gun.:bye2:

[Andrew Walker]

That made me laugh Glenn. But I don't let people I go shoot with hold a rifle as retarded as that girl was holding that one.

[Dylan Reeve]

Man there is no end of videos of girls getting hurt by recoil on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glCFfhclrLI
That one is lucky she didn't dislocate her shoulder.

[Andrew Walker]

This is something I just found and it shows how stupid people are...especially cops. Because they think they know everything and are the only ones trained enough to handle firearms...what a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoNLgZul2CE

[Dylan Reeve]

Shit. Good thing she's clearly a crap aim.

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

This is something I just found and it shows how stupid people are...especially cops. Because they think they know everything and are the only ones trained enough to handle firearms...what a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoNLgZul2CE

Reminds me of the Pulp Fiction gag when Vincent fires his gun inside the car.

Anyway, can anyone please remind me, What we need guns for?

[Dylan Reeve]

You need guns (in films) because they are cool. And you need guns (in reallife) because everyone else has one*.



* Not applicable in some countries.