"Knowing" trailer...

[Jannard]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/knowing/hd/

Jim

[Jan Reiff]

looking forward to see it on the big screen :w00t:

[Joe Vinson]

Can't speak for the content of the movie, but the footage looks damn good. Bravo, RED team!

[Ryo Rex]

Looks great, was this shot on B15, or 16?

[Jan Reiff]

the 1080p version looks fantastic.
colors, details - just great -
i would say: a typically red movie :)

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Jim . you have the right to be Very Proud ..
What is that amazing .... .pictures
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/3151_1219521977.gif

[Alexander Nikishin]

Looks awesome, bye bye film.

[Jan Reiff]

i liked "Zodiac" by fincher.
it was my favourite digital movie (talking about the image) , it was!

i did not like stuff like "apocalyptica" or "miami vice". too much video...

but this here:
i think this footage here is the best digital cinema stuff i´ve seen.
the rain-scene is amazing.
jim can be proud for sure, but we can also be happy to have ordered this camera bassam! :biggrin:

[M_Sanderson]

This looks fantastic
I watched the previous trailer of this that was posted in wmv and I was a bit worried about the crushed highlights and grain in that version
But now I see it was the wmv encoding causing it
The 480p QT version, which is the one I just watched, looks stunning.
What is the best way to encode red footage for web? wmv looked bad!!

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

When it will supposed to be in theaters

[Sanjin Jukic]

Finally RED shows with this movie that is a leading tool in Digital Cinema acquisition today.

[Michele Gavazzeni]

apart from useless technicalities the audience will notice no difference between this and film.

[Omar Saad]

Looks great, was this shot on B15, or 16?

Good question.

I would definately say that the look appars to be right up there with Zodiac. I am very impressed.

[Pierce Cook]

This looks fantastic
What is the best way to encode red footage for web? wmv looked bad!!

Quicktime, I would assume? WMV always looks bad, in my experience, but perhaps I'm not patient enough with it. If you don't mind sacrificing size (and sometimes not even that), I would say Quicktime is the way to go?

Anyone else?


--

RE: The trailer - great images. I hope it's good (looks interesting) but I'll see it just to see how it looks if nothing else.

[John Tissavary]

Personally, I think any variant of mp4 (h.264, DiVX) is the best for now.

I use DiVX, as I get slightly better results with smaller final file sizes than QT h.264, and I don't have to jump through hoops to get the proper gamma. With DiVX I'm able to do 3-4 passes, and let me tell you, it makes quite a difference over just doing one or two.


regards,

John T.

[Sarah C.]

Oh.. there goes my savings! Must have a Red One now.. 8)

~S

[number6]

Oh.. there goes my savings! Must have a Red One now.. 8)

~S

Lil Red... don't think of it as losing your savings but as making an investment:biggrin:

[Ramesh Jai]

I really don't want to start a 'Film is dead' debate all over again but this movie is going to be a really good argument for RED in particular. I am not referring to the storyline of course, just the acquisition format.

I would love to know from the makers of KNOWING whether they would shoot on film again? Can someone find out? JJ?

[Brook Willard]

If nobody told you it was shot on RED... you'd assume it was shot on film.

Nice one.

[Jannard]

I really don't want to start a 'Film is dead' debate all over again but this movie is going to be a really good argument for RED in particular. I am not referring to the storyline of course, just the acquisition format.

I would love to know from the makers of KNOWING whether they would shoot on film again? Can someone find out? JJ?

Next project is on RED... so I have heard.

Jim

[Jaime Vallés]

Looks fantastic! You'd never guess it wasn't film. The 1080 trailer is super-clean. Congrats, Team RED!

[Craig Ryan]

Watched the 1080p version, and before that I had just watched the 1080p version of the newest "Body of Lies" trailer - "Knowing" seemed to have more detail and a clearer picture. If I didn't know ahead of time I would have definitely assumed this was film. Also, seeing someone as familiar as Nicholas Cage made it that much cooler; the average joe is in NO way going to tell the difference here. Sheesh, after the Mysterium X upgrade...who will even need Epic? :)

[Mark L. Pederson]

Looks great!

And ... LESS THAN ONE YEAR of shipping production units of the "scam" -

[Christian Munoz D]

Any workflow info?

[Steve Sherrick]

That looked great. Can't wait to see it projected digitally in a theater.

[Paul Lee]

Wow, that looks like a real movie!

(note sarcasm, please. We are hearing that statement a lot these days. Good job to all at RED.)

[Bob Torrance]

I saw this projected. My wife said "that looks like a cool film". Just found out it was RED. Cool

bob

[jamieheinrich]

Yea post workflow would be nice to know. Where was the cc done? and exact post process. Looks amazing.. so good to finally see it on apple trailers...

[laperal@info.com.ph]

Was "Knowing" shot entirely or partially on Red One 4K? If not so, about how many % of the movie was shot on Red One 4K versus 35mm film? imdb.com says Red One was used, no mention of 35 mm film. Was Red One 4K used for SFX only ala "Jumper", or was Red One 4K used for a good majority of the movie?

thanks for the info.

Oli

Oli Laperal Jr.
Red 675, xxxx & xxxx
Philippines

[Craig Ryan]

100% Shot on RED... Nicholas Cage movie.

Jim

There ya go

[Jannard]

Was "Knowing" shot entirely or partially on Red One 4K? If not so, about how many % of the movie was shot on Red One 4K versus 35mm film? imdb.com says Red One was used, no mention of 35 mm film. Was Red One 4K used for SFX only ala "Jumper", or was Red One 4K used for a good majority of the movie?

thanks for the info.

Oli

Oli Laperal Jr.
Red 675, xxxx & xxxx
Philippines

From what we understand... 100% RED.

Jim

[RyanKunkleman]

Good question.

I would definately say that the look appars to be right up there with Zodiac. I am very impressed.

Build 15, 16 was still beta

[RyanKunkleman]

From what we understand... 100% RED.

Jim

100% we are even shooting aerial stuff in a couple of weeks on RED

[RyanKunkleman]

Yea post workflow would be nice to know. Where was the cc done? and exact post process. Looks amazing.. so good to finally see it on apple trailers...

cc was done at Park Road Post in NZ. Effects by Animal Logic.

check out episode 10 of the Redcentre podcast for more info on the workflow.

[Sanjin Jukic]

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/ParkRoad.jpg
Park Road postproduction NZ>>> (http://www.parkroad.co.nz/news/park_road_to_work_on_alex_proyas_knowing)

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/AnimalLogic.jpg
Animal Logic VFX>>> (http://www.animallogic.com/#Our%20Work,Coming%20Attractions)

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/Proyas3.jpg
Interview with "Knowing" director Alex Proyas>>> (http://www.joblo.com/video/arrow/player.php?video=KnowingCC08)

[Ramesh Jai]

Next project is on RED... so I have heard.

Jim
I rest my case for RED. Thanks.

[albert rudnicki]

Just few days ago I saw it at the feature presentation at the theatre.
I had no idea it was Red; I thought I could tell:)

[Christian Munoz D]

Does anyone have contact with Animal Logic or Park Road in order to obtain tech info on the post......some Reduser in NZ or Australia?

Who rented the Red(s) used in this movie?

[Mufu Giwa]

With this very stunning image Mr. Jannard has hit the ultimate goal for the Red one. Thank you red teams, thank you Mr. Jannard.

[10s]

Finally the debate is over. Red has proven itself with a standard A-List Hollywood feature for your local cineplex that will draw the crowds and sell lots of popcorn & cokes. Did you hear that distributors? ... debates over!

Now it's phase 2 of the revolution.
Time to work.......... :)

[Mike Zinner]

It's amazing to see what the Red One can do - and what is even more amazing - I have one of these beasts sitting right here on my tri-pod. And, with Build 16 you can create footage that has even a higher quality (look at the mosquito-noise in the dark areas).

I really dig the color grading of this trailer and I would rate it as the most professional I have seen so far.

[Gary Ploj]

Trailer look very good and story is interesting premise. Looking forward to seeing it at the theatre. Mine or theirs...

[RyanKunkleman]

Does anyone have contact with Animal Logic or Park Road in order to obtain tech info on the post......some Reduser in NZ or Australia?

Who rented the Red(s) used in this movie?

pm me with your info and ill pass it along.

what info are you looking for specifically?

[Murat Civcik]

wooww what a RED footage?But i am confused,what do you think ,this film shot with original RED lenses or other lenses?

[Adrian T.]

Vaporware! :wink:

(congrats, RED team)

[Christian Munoz D]

pm me with your info and ill pass it along.

what info are you looking for specifically?

Ryan,

As you can see there have been lots of questions generated on the forum about production and post-production (build, lens, software, cc, workflow, etc, etc.) in regards to this movie. I think it would be very helpful for the Red User community if this information could be posted on the Forum.

I am sending you a PM.
Thank you for your help!

[Steve Sherrick]

Ryan,

As you can see there have been lots of questions generated on the forum about production and post-production (build, lens, software, cc, workflow, etc, etc.) in regards to this movie. I think it would be very helpful for the Red User community if this information could be posted on the Forum.

I am sending you a PM.
Thank you for your help!

In addition to the standard set of tools for post, a lot of facilities have home-grown components that interface with standard tools and provide for increased efficiency.

It would be interesting to see all of the tools and how they were utilized. The one thing I have noticed about this trailer is that it just goes to show how well Red can look when in the hands of people who know how to use it. It's inspiring.

[Esteban Sosnitsky]

cant wait to see it.

[RyanKunkleman]

Ryan,

As you can see there have been lots of questions generated on the forum about production and post-production (build, lens, software, cc, workflow, etc, etc.) in regards to this movie. I think it would be very helpful for the Red User community if this information could be posted on the Forum.

I am sending you a PM.
Thank you for your help!

for more info on the workflow check out the redcentre interview i did.

we used cooke primes and primo zooms.

[aaamotion]

for more info on the workflow check out the redcentre interview i did.

we used cooke primes and primo zooms.


You shot with panavision's Zoom? How did you mount it on the red camera?

[laperal@info.com.ph]

the film "Knowing" is set to release worldwide on March 2009. that is per www.imdb.com

Big Hollywood film, big hollywood A listed star, big time Director & DOP, 100% shot on Red, Red users just won multiple gold medals !

Oli :biggrin:

Oli Laperal Jr.
Red 675, xxxx, xxxx
Philippines

[Dalibor Fencl]

I've seen the 1080 version. Looks bit gray on my 22' samsung. Is the LCD wrong?

[Álex Montoya]

Why on earth hasn't Soderbergh published the HD version of his Argentine trailer at Apple?

[Christian Munoz D]

for more info on the workflow check out the redcentre interview i did.

we used cooke primes and primo zooms.

Thank you Ryan,
Great interview!
Any additional info will be appreciated.

[RyanKunkleman]

You shot with panavision's Zoom? How did you mount it on the red camera?

no cooke primes and angenieux zooms

[Adrian T.]

Why on earth hasn't Soderbergh published the HD version of his Argentine trailer at Apple?

It's not up to Soderbergh to do that. It's the distributor's job to do the marketing. But there's still no US distributor...

[Álex Montoya]

But there's still no US distributor...

Didn't know that?

[Chris Swinbanks]

Does anyone have contact with Animal Logicah, yup... I'm here.
Our "workflow" is defined to match image data across 2 facilities on 2 sides of "the pond", which is about all I can say at the moment, apart from the footage looks great and the fx are coming together nicely.


Chris

[RyanKunkleman]

ah, yup... I'm here.
Our "workflow" is defined to match image data across 2 facilities on 2 sides of "the pond", which is about all I can say at the moment, apart from the footage looks great and the fx are coming together nicely.


Chris

thanks for that buddy. i was feeling awkward about people askig for workflow specifics.

[Kenn Michael]

working in 4K or 2K?

[Benni Diez]

working in 4K or 2K?

That would indeed be interesting. I understand it's an independent film. Much less budget than Proyas' last ones. So is it all 4k throughout? I imagine it's a lot cheaper to go 2k and blow it up in the end.

[Christian Munoz D]

ah, yup... I'm here.
Our "workflow" is defined to match image data across 2 facilities on 2 sides of "the pond", which is about all I can say at the moment, apart from the footage looks great and the fx are coming together nicely.


Chris

Thanks Chris!!

[Scott R White]

Wow

Always end up getting into trailers the first time so have to admit I had to watch it again a few times on mute to really appreciate the quality of RED, can't wait to see this projected.

Guess not noticing any difference on the first go could definitely be classed as a compliment.

Oh and that rain stuff looks kick ass.

Well done RED

[Chris Swinbanks]

That would indeed be interesting. I understand it's an independent film. Much less budget than Proyas' last ones. So is it all 4k throughout? I imagine it's a lot cheaper to go 2k and blow it up in the end.:whistling: sorry, wouldn't be fair to go into that at this stage of the process.

But that leads to a question... why "blow it up at the end" if you're going 2k? The key difference between 2k output and 4k output is the size of the laser spot when it writes back to film (usually 12 micron v 6 micron) plus any effect of the medium you record to and whether it adds much grain structure, flare, etc etc.
Most records (via say Arrilaser) benefit very little from going to 4k out from a 2k scan or format size. You can get into splitting hairs with sharpening a 4k image v sharpening a 2k image and such, but there's usually not a marked increase in perceived quality.
Where 4k (output) is a huge benefit (for 2k projects) is tail titles (rollers) if the type is extremely fine, so then its worth resizing any underlying footage and applying the type at 4k res.

Chris

(G'day Ryan!)

[John Redfern]

:
Where 4k is a huge benefit (for 2k projects) is tail titles (rollers) if the type is extremely fine, so then its worth resizing any underlying footage and applying the type at 4k res.


That is an excellent tip. Thanks.

John

[RyanKunkleman]

That would indeed be interesting. I understand it's an independent film. Much less budget than Proyas' last ones. So is it all 4k throughout? I imagine it's a lot cheaper to go 2k and blow it up in the end.

We shot 4k

[Andrew Walker]

I think the question is did the film finish in 4K.

[Robert Sanders]

Reading between the lines of CWS's excellent post tells me they're finishing it in 2K. Which makes sense considering 2K is today's current "standard". 4K finishes seem to really be exclusive to the HUGE blockbusters like Spiderman and Batman. And like CWS said, the perceived difference is negligible (for filmouts anyway). I would like to see a 2K and 4K "digital" projection comparison.

[Chris Swinbanks]

I think the question is did the film finish in 4K.The film isn't finished yet... a few months of work to go.
cheers
Chris

[Richardvclark]

and they say red doesn't look like film...

[Ernesto Salvador]

cc was done at Park Road Post in NZ. Effects by Animal Logic.

check out episode 10 of the Redcentre podcast for more info on the workflow.

Would you post a link for this please?

[Benni Diez]

why "blow it up at the end" if you're going 2k?

Well I thought since more and more cinemas are going fully digital and 4k projection being the standard many are going for, it would make sense to get the most out of the picture.
But I totally agree that for a film-out it won't make a big difference.

[Andrew Benz]

Would you post a link for this please?

http://www.fxguide.com/redcentre


Chock full of 100% Red goodness. Enjoy.

[Chris Swinbanks]

Well I thought since more and more cinemas are going fully digital and 4k projection being the standard many are going for...I'd have to start digging through the stats on digital projectors to find anywhere near an accurate answer, but from what I've been reading the vast majority of digital theatres in place are 2k 2048x1080 pixels, not 4k projectors. In some of the Asian countries (I think India is an example) the resolution for digital projection in theatres is even less than 2k as a standard, and its referred to as E-Cinema, rather than D-Cinema.
4k (or greater) is a goal for many areas of our industry, but application of that resolution through an entire pipe is, well, still a pipe-dream for many...

Cheers
Chris

[aaamotion]

no cooke primes and angenieux zooms


Ok it's more clear for me: you shot with Angenieux zooms. Thank you for the answer.

PS: When you said first you shot with primo zoom, it mean Panavision :wacko: Angenieux make the optimo

[el_stupido]

I guess the verdict will be when we can see this on a digital projector. I saw quite a lot of noise and artifacts in the 1080p of this. Especially the scene with Nic and his son in the house (the reverse shot of the boy)... but I reckon that's the quicktime... right?

Looks like a cool film and I cant wait to see it. And anyway if these early films are looking as good as this with these new builds and new chips coming it's all coming up Red anyway.

[Mike Zinner]

I saw quite a lot of noise and artifacts in the 1080p of this. Especially the scene with Nic and his son in the house (the reverse shot of the boy)... but I reckon that's the quicktime... right?

No, that is pre-Build 16 noise in the blue channel. Of course the quicktime compression adds to that but you are also going to see this when projected.

The good news is that after the current Build 16 this kind of noise is gone.

[RyanKunkleman]

Ok it's more clear for me: you shot with Angenieux zooms. Thank you for the answer.

PS: When you said first you shot with primo zoom, it mean Panavision :wacko: Angenieux make the optimo

yeah i mistyped sorry

[Matt Gottshalk]

If nobody told you it was shot on RED... you'd assume it was shot on film.

Nice one.

And THAT is when the game changes. :w00t:

[cinemano]

Hello..
which shots in the trailer are actually shot with the RED? or was the entire film done on RED?

[cinemano]

Wow.. this trailer looks a lot sharper than anything my RED has ever produced.. then again i cant afford RED lenses.. just Nikon. However, my Nikon lens seems a lot sharper on my 10 megapixels Nikon camera better than the 4K RED.. confusing.. just doesnt make sense to me. gotta start saving for RED lenses I guess ..

[Adrian T.]

Hello..
which shots in the trailer are actually shot with the RED? or was the entire film done on RED?

Entire movie.

[D'Arcy Foley-Dawson]

i think i've probably shot a few music videos on the exact same camera as this film. i'm assuming that because it was shot in my neck of the woods and a friend of mine was a runner on it - in fact i bumped into him when he came to pick up the RED from the same place as i hire them from. a wonderful equipment/post house called Lemac, btw. melbourne australia.

just one of those stupid irrelevant fun facts.

[J. Eric Camp]

The Cameras that shot the movie are owned by Summit Entertainment.

[D'Arcy Foley-Dawson]

i actually saw the guy picking a RED camera up for the knowing, from the same place i hire from. he was the runner, and i know him from school. maybe it was a b cam or something. anyways, it doesn't matter, i don't really care. it was just one of those silly things you say cos you've got nothing interesting to add. it's not like it's some claim to fame. of all the absurd things to be exposed as a fraud for, shame on me!

[J. Eric Camp]

Nah... I bet you are right. Past the main unit other cameras were used. We can both be right. Look at us... we know how to share.

[Screenhorn]

After that, I think, the "Weihnachtsmann" (Santa Claus) will rent about ten reindeers more for his sledge to carry all the REDs next year...
Or maybe could I find my RED already 2009 in an easteregg, Mr. Jannard? ;-)

[A. Bastaki]

I like the first line in the trailer .. I want you to draw of what you think the future would look like... we all know the answer to that one.

[Screenhorn]

I like the first line in the trailer .. I want you to draw of what you think the future would look like... we all know the answer to that one.

Salam Akube!

The future of film is growing up more creative and multifaceted, because now we have a "peoples camera"! I mean, the stupid and boring movies will not be better with a RED Cam, but a lot of artist, who never could afford 35mm material in farmer time, have now the chance to show the world their art... not in a cheap video style! Sure, we need good light, sound, mask, good scripts, actors and requisite at all, that will be not cheaper. I've seen so many little no-budget treasures, but all were suffering from the lack of DoF and picture quality. But now...!
And for me, I want to see the RED quality also on TV, especially for documetaries, because noobody says that documentaries naturally must have the video style. Have a look on documetaries on the big screen, why not on TV.
I hope RED will be come a kind of standard... do you agree?

Greetings to the desert from the green valley of the Rhine! ;-)
Tom

[Screenhorn]

Sorry... I meant "former" times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Todd M.]

Official one-sheet was released...

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/237540/Images/know.jpeg

[Julien Deka]

Woaw... Nicer than the trailer, in my personal opinion.

By the way, the RED footage looks realy great.

[firstsingle]

Man, that is some beautiful footage! Goooo Red!

[(= Andrew =)]

one thing to say and one thing only


THAT WAS RAAAAWWWW!!!!!!!!!:w00t:

[Matthew Bennett]

What does happen when the numbers run out?

[Robert Permenter]

You press the button.
(LOST reference.)

[Robert W. Loughlin II]

What does happen when the numbers run out?

red takes over the world:)

[(= Andrew =)]

and sony will be sad

[Gael Geneau]

The full HD Trailer for KNOWING is on Apple. Looks pretty cool!

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/knowing/

GHG

[mattbatt]

Just saw the movie, IMDB'd it, said RED 4k, RAW. Wow, great movie. Some scenes I wondered if it was shot on a digital (I was thinking it would make sense because of all the visual effects).

Well shot, I found it very suspenseful and engaging.

Quality wise, so far with films that I know are 100% shot on digital and shown on a projector: it doesn't seem as bright. And I have watched digital cinema movies and they didn't seem as bright in the theatre, but they had no jitter.

Anyway, very impressed and well done. I'm happy to note that rolling shutter was no problem in some very shakey hand-held parts and whip pans, so that is good.

[Ousa Khun]

Does anyone know what lenses were used on this film? I actually enjoyed this film.

[Brock S.]

Does anyone know what lenses were used on this film? I actually admire the look of this film. Thanks,

American Cinematographer just says "cooke & angenieux."

[DS Williams]

So I saw the film in theaters and was VERY impressed with the look of the film. The RED performed wonderfully, the footage was virtually noise free. Very inspiring. The REDvolution is here!

[Tim Schumann]

American Cinematographer just says "cooke & angenieux."

Yeah they had seven Cooke S4 Prime's and three Optimo zooms. All hired from Lemac Australia.

Other than their 2 'named' Red One main unit cameras - all the rest of the camera gear came from us.

Looks great. Simon Duggan did an excellent job.

[Joel Arvidsson]

I watched it on cinema yesterday. I think the cinema here must messed up the setting cause the picture didnt look so nice at all. I mean it looks so great on the hd trailer. On cinema the colors was different and the white was a little to bright and the picture was quite soft. But I think it must be the cinema settings cause the trailer looks sooooo nice!!
Im happy again after looking at the trailer again after the cinema to se how it should look! =)

[kunal2]

Hi all,I went to see the movie on saturday evening in theatre,,man am impressed and doubtful,is this really shot on a digital camera ???..amazing it's film !!!!,,I've not been able to detect a single shot to tell me if it's shot on digital,beautiful dynamic range,3D colors,no blown highlights,beautiful grain structure(may be because of celluloid projector)...it's totally film behavior..the story also is beautiful..my god i think red has done giant leap..pheeeeeeuuuwwwww

[Denis Haineault]

The movie didn't work for me, but looked really good.
Kudos to RED !

[Sami S]

I really enjoyed the look and the movie. Couldnt tell any signs of digitalness in it :)

[Troy Smith]

Yes it was great, the shadows were amazing projected, so clean.

[Troy Smith]

Does anyone know if the Bluray and dvd of "knowing" would be from the Digital Master, or from a telecine from the film out?

[Eric Maran]

Looks like it's from the digital master... I don't see ANNNYYY grain at all. It's so amazingly clean and crisp.

[Michel Hafner]

Does anyone know if the Bluray and dvd of "knowing" would be from the Digital Master, or from a telecine from the film out?
Of course it's from the digital master. Anything else would be brain dead.
Michel Hafner

[Brian Broz]

I thought the movie on Blu Ray had a really polished look. Great lighting and DI...but I did find the blacks to be really super crushed. I'm not sure if they were trying to hide abit of noise but there was no detail in the shadows on the setup I was viewing on.
Did anyone else find the blacks to be really crushed?
I realize this was most likely a creative decision, and would help get the cleanest image if they were lighing generally with a higher key.
Curious...


BB

[KETCH ROSSi]

Definitely a great project in RED's drawer!!

FX were impeccably great as well, tricky story line but I for one believe in some weird stuff, so I did enjoy the movie, the overall quality on a cinematic point of view left no questions on were RED is headed!!

Note: Just one very small point, why is that even in Movies of this magnitude, Directors and Editors alike make mistakes that could be easily avoided??

Did every one else noticed that the heavy breathing of the actress while in the ambulance acting DEAD made her belly visibly move in unison with her breathing!!?? Could She hold her breath for few seconds, and why is that this kind of mistakes are not discovered and taken care of? Am I been too perfectionist here??

Any way once again, Congrats goes to RED for the great product they have made and can't truly wait for what RED's future holds in store for our future of film making and photography alike.

ciao

[Frank Weeks]

Saw it yesterday on Blue Ray and Panny 11 series. It was stunning. I was so proud of what this camera has achieved. Incredibly clean yet elegantly cinematic.

The bad new is that, once the RPP's arrive, any excuse I've ever had for not producing compelling content will have evaporated.

[Mike Halper]

Watched it a couple days ago. Blu-ray on a Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma. Only one word is needed to describe how the Red performed.... WOW!

I was sold a long time ago, but this just makes me want to go shoot something with a Red camera right now.

Question: Does anyone know what kind of lens was used for the wide shot earlier in the movie when Cage walks into Caleb's bedroom and you can see Cage at the door, Caleb in bed, and the TV at the left edge of the frame?

[Adam Beck]

I just saw Knowing on Blu-ray. Pretty amazing stuff, especially with a camera that cost a fraction of it's competitors. Does this mean the RED1 is under priced and/or the competitors extremely over priced?

[Jordi Figueras]

Clearly the competitors are extremely overpriced IMHO!:emote_hippie:

Jordi Figueras
DoP

[Roger Crouse]

The movie didn't work for me, but looked really good.
Kudos to RED !

Same here. It was an ok flick until the end. But it sure looked fantastic as far as the quality of the "look" of the product was concerned.

[Radim Schreiber]

Wow, just watched Knowing on DVD. Amazing quality of RED footage. No noise, great latitude and colors. Only one strange thing that I found was lighting on faces. Somehow I saw more detail in shadow areas of the faces than I am used to see on film. Maybe different tone of color as well. Not sure what it is. Anyone noticed it? Also colors in artificially lit interiors with predominant darkness were little bit off and desaturated. I enjoyed the movie content-wise as well.

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Also colors in artificially lit interiors with predominant darkness were little bit off and desaturated. I enjoyed the movie content-wise as well.

Perhaps grading choice + non-Color Science image?

[Errol Afed]

I just saw the trailer and it looks great! I'm really impressed with how the images look. We're about to shoot a full Red movie here in Manila and I'm excited on how it'll turn out. Most of the movie will be shot on Red and the slow motion using the Phantom HD camera.

[jimhare]

I have Knowing on BluRay and it looks amazing! Just turn it off 10 minutes from the end...:001_tt2:

[scott william]

agreed. didn't like the ending either.

[Dustin Dooley]

I loved the concept of the movie and loved the look. The ending fell flat on its face. For some reason the end of any story is always the hardest to pull off well. The big question do you resolve all of the issues for the audience or do you leave them hanging...

[Felix K.]

I feel that Hollywood writers more and more rely on aliens as a plot twist... Indy 4... such a bad choice...

[Stuart Hooper]

Just saw it on DVD (on an upscaling player) and even there it looked amazing.

Doesn't seem to have gotten the best reviews overall, but I agree with Ebert, it was one of the better sci-fi flicks I've seen in awhile. I like the concepts, pacing, characters, those damn aliens were spookier than a lot of things I've seen on screen in a long while. The ending was strange, but cool, nonetheless. Wish I could have seen this in theaters.

[Hans von Sonntag]

Saw it last weekend and consider it to be the worst big pictures of 2009. What a dumb story. In the end aliens arrive (deus ex machina) and solve the plot, what?! It's great that even multi-million productions make the same mistakes as filmstudents in the first semester. The RedOne did good a job though. At least one good thing to remark.

Hans

[Hans von Sonntag]

Saw it last weekend and consider it to be the worst big pictures of 2009. What a dumb story. In the end aliens arrive (deus ex machina) and solve the plot, what?! It's great that even multi-million productions make the same mistakes as filmstudents in the first semester. The RedOne did good a job though. At least one good thing to remark.

Hans

[ericyoung]

I feel that Hollywood writers more and more rely on aliens as a plot twist... Indy 4... such a bad choice...

Sorry offtopic but Indy 4 lost me when he survived a nuclear blast in a fridge! Talk about suspension of disbelief FAIL!

[Robert Sanders]

Right, because Indy surviving jumping out of an airplane in a inflatable raft in "Doom" is soooo much more believable. LOL!

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[Stephen Gentle]

Right, because Indy surviving jumping out of an airplane in a inflatable raft in "Doom" is soooo much more believable. LOL!

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Actually, they managed to make that work in Mythbusters. Of course, that was with a much bigger raft, and only one person (crash test dummy). And, I think they dropped it from a helicopter - it'd be pretty much impossible to do it out of a plane...

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Right, because Indy surviving jumping out of an airplane in a inflatable raft in "Doom" is soooo much more believable. LOL!

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Difference being that in "Doom" the tone of the script, PRACTICAL effects, acting and directing were much more believable than Indy4.

It felt more believable because it was not sooooo overblown by overly epic CGI excessiveness and huge swooping crane shots serving no purpose that were used in the latter film. Tonally the first 3 Indy pictures were great and worked well, and have not dated IMO. Indy4 is already outdated.

But I know what you mean. :wink5: Suspending disbelief is a craft and there is a thin line and not everyone will accept when and how it can be crossed.