nikon d90 slr records HD video.

[M Hsu]

from the nikon press release:

For the first time in digital SLR photography, Nikon introduces the addition of the D-Movie mode, allowing consumers to create their own HD movie clips (1280 x 720) with sound from their D-SLR camera. Photographers will appreciate the cinematic qualities that come from the 24fps frame rate, which matches theatrical film, whether producing vacation clips or creatively melding stills with video. Additionally, the large size of the D90’s DX-format sensor, combined with the optical superiority and broad selection of NIKKOR lenses, provides shooters with the ability to capture amazing perspectives not possible with typical camcorders. D-Movie clips also benefit from Nikon VR image stabilization, which is automatically activated during recording to aid the low-light capability that trumps many other hybrid devices. Users can record movie clips onto an inserted SD / SDHC card, created as Motion JPEG AVI files that are easily edited with widely available video editing software. The D90 also features an HDMI terminal, allowing viewing of both pictures and movies on High Definition televisions.

[Steve Sherrick]

Could be interesting, but I wonder about the compression scheme and whether they will have to compress heavily to get a decent amount of footage onto SD cards. And you don't get RAW files :-)

[rediisi]

Thanks Nikon, best thing I have heard looooong time. I unluckyly have Canon gear. Hope Canon will do same, with raw.

[Michael Schrengohst]

http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-SLR/25446/D90.html

[Mark Pugh]

Possible scarlet killer?

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

I'm getting awfully sick of all these "is it an insert product here killer?" speculations.

[Michael Schrengohst]

Possible scarlet killer?

No I doubt it. 720 24p is cool for some things but I think the video
on the Nikon is geared for vacation, bloggers, etc.
I will be getting both.

[Stephen Gentle]

Possible scarlet killer?

3K at up to 120 frames per second (180 burst)... vs. 720p24...

I don't think so.

[Yannick Hagman]

Cool, they seem to go the anticipated way - Lots of possibilities for the user.

[Florian Stadler]

there's a reason to upgrade my d70. Sounds like the perfect tech scout/quickdraw/scene sketch camera. Exciting times.

[Graeme Nattress]

DO we know the data rate they're using for video recording yet?

Graeme

[hunterrichards]

I was just wanting to buy a new dslr and a new video camera for my wife- this is both- rock on!

[jimhare]

DO we know the data rate they're using for video recording yet?

Graeme

And how long you can record on standard media?

[Bruce Allen]

No hard data rate info yet. According to dpreview you're limited to a max of 5 minutes per clip if you shoot 1280x720. Since the cards are FAT32 that at least establishes the upper range as 2GB per 5min. Eg max 13.3 MB/s. Probably it's lower than that. Could be variable, since it's MJPEG?

All the people saying Scarlet beats it are right, of course. Scarlet will be in a different league.

But "just because it's 3K" isn't the right reason.

EG if you were shooting low light, which would you rather have:
- Red One sensor-size footage shot with a f1.4 Nikon lens, downsampled to 1280x720 with MJPEG codec
or
- Scarlet footage shot with a f2.8 lens, with a much smaller sensor, at 3K?

For any normal situation Scarlet will beat it conclusively, I expect.

EDIT: Oh, and VR works too apparently! Bodes well for Birger...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[sander kamp]

Amazing. Compare that to a HVX200 with 35mm adapter... People are going to make movies with this.

[Andrew Martin]

Interesting . . . . . . . . . mmmmmmm. I'll have a chat with the MD of Nikon UK next time i see him.

Andrew.

[Michael Schrengohst]

DO we know the data rate they're using for video recording yet?

Graeme

No but records Motion JPEG AVI files. The small Flash samples
were very compressed. I will upload some full frame video
samples after I get the camera in 2-3 weeks??

[Petr Dvorak]

Possible scarlet killer?


Yes definitely! Go for it! You save 2000 bucks :greedy:, get perfect video and get rid of all that annoying Red hype. What else you need? Isnt it amazing?

[Benni Diez]

Will it use the whole chip or just a crop for video? Full aperture would be at least one argument against Scarlet.

But might be a nice thing for set photographers to contribute some making-of video footage.

[Graeme Nattress]

Not RAW, probably not enough data rate. Probably a neat feature that really doesn't turn out to be useful in practice.

Graeme

[Chris Pickle]

Not RAW, probably not enough data rate. Probably a neat feature that really doesn't turn out to be useful in practice.

Graeme

But the idea of it is what is so exciting. Isn't it the same fundamentals as Red? From there, we're just debating data compression & frame rates. I mean in a very very general way and by no means a direct comparison.

This entire paradigm shift is cool and so obvious once a person gets their mind around it. A D-SLR that uses a full-frame sensor and 35mm lenses, from there it was all about the data math and write speed.

It's ironic that film cinema cameras / companies had more to fear from the technology of DSLR than from 24p video cameras.

[Graeme Nattress]

Since DSLRs have been used to make films, we've only ever been debating fps and compression and resolution. This is surely a step further for Nikon indeed, but also a natural progression. Don't get me wrong - I welcome healthy, good spirited competition, but I don't see the D90 as "the" convergence product that I think Scarlet will be. It is most certainly a step in the right direction though!

Graeme

[Manfred Lopez]

It's ironic that film cinema cameras / companies had more to fear from the technology of DSLR than from 24p video cameras.

I guess the company to really watch out for is Cannon, since they have a long tradition with both and are sort of behind right now. It's just a matter if they'll do it in time to matter. If not Nikon may be the one who unexpectedly steals the thunder in the upcoming digital cinematic revolution (besides Red, of course, who is helping getting it started).

[Lexicon]

It's just Nikon trying to tempt the high-end point and shoot buyers with an interesting new twist on their low-end DSLRs. Spec-wise, the camera is utter crap but I can see how some consumers might go for it.

[Chris Pickle]

Since DSLRs have been used to make films, we've only ever been debating fps and compression and resolution. This is surely a step further for Nikon indeed, but also a natural progression. Don't get me wrong - I welcome healthy, good spirited competition, but I don't see the D90 as "the" convergence product that I think Scarlet will be. It is most certainly a step in the right direction though!

Graeme

Yes I agree that this particular Nikon product doesn't represent any competition for true "filmmaking" products. But as someone mentioned, it might appeal to vacationers that don't want to carry 2 cameras around, but still have decent image quality on the video side.

It's just that the technology advancement is cool to watch.

On a sort of similar note however, I still think there could be a place in the market for a "Video" camera with a full-frame sensor, but a nice workable 720 or 1080 output. Like an HVX with a 35mm sensor. Record DVCPRO HD 720 or 1080 to a card, then dump to a computer and have at it--and with a 3-5k price point

Seeing Nikon's tech advancements shows that someone might offer the above.

Cheers,
Chris

[Noah Kadner]

Sample movies:

http://chsvimg.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d90/en/d-movie/#c-1

Video quality itself is hard to judge from these flash samples being downsized at least by a factor of 3. Optics are great though. Then again, this is Nikon you'd expect no less. Could be very intriguing, especially as DX optics are pretty affordable. Curious to see more specs and some unflashed examples.

Noah

[Benni Diez]

DoF and overall look seem quite nice.
But judging from the clips, it suffers the usual stuff when it comes to 'additional video capability' like jumpy auto-exposure and clipping.
Doesn't look like they built very much manual control in the video mode.

[Graeme Nattress]

DOF is as you'd expect. Obviously shrinking it down to 720p or lower helps with DOF focus issues. I did notice some exposure jumps, and some ugly clipping, but we'll have to see how it really performs.

It's hard to judge quality, so it's a shame Nikon didn't put up a real AVI for us to really see....

Graeme

[Erik Widding]

We don't have all the details yet, but I'm positive it will use a center crop area of the sensor. Meaning that it will not be comparable to an HVX200 with a 35mm adapter -- you won't get the 35mm shallow DOF.

Just saw a clip taken with a fisheye, which strongly suggests that this is not the case. I am even willing to wager that the sensor (or camera) is probably doing some binning, not straight subsampling.

[R. Schorman]

I hope they will include a manual aperture setting, those clips looked horrid.

Might be a nice alternative for those using DOF adapters but it leaves much to be desired.

[M Hsu]

ah who cares, I'm buying one. There will be at least one situation in the next year in which it enables me to get a shot that would otherwise not be possible.

personally it's exciting. we will see 16 year olds shooting movies with this.

And it's probably also only the first step. If they continue to improve it....

[Graeme Nattress]

I'd guess that it's using a binning method also, which could lead to aliasing issues. Be keen to get someone to point one at a zone plate for me.

Graeme

[Michael Schrengohst]

I hope they will include a manual aperture setting, those clips looked horrid.

Might be a nice alternative for those using DOF adapters but it leaves much to be desired.

I am pretty sure you can lock exposure. I think most of the videos were shot by photographers who rely on auto exposure, focus.
I have a D200 and have never shot with any auto exposure modes.
I ordered the D90 which will serve as another timelapse camera.
It will be interesting to get the D90 and my HVX200 in a side by side comparison.

[Chosei Funahara]

http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d90/features01.htm
Sony and Canon will follow, nikon doesn't have technical know-how to make video camera. Sony and Canon has.
It's all for consumer-market.
It was like super 8mm film camera of the late 1960's to early 1970's.

[liquidigital]

Don't know if this link has been posted...

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d90/en/d-movie/

[PaulClements]

Once they sort out autofocus, breathing compensation, 1080p (Minimum), faster fps and improved aperture control and have an image quality without any unexpected niggles this would be a very exciting piece of kit.

I've always wanted to have an slr to shoot movies with. Exciting to see Nikon putting their hand to it. Imagine the options for throwing those things about on rigs or handheld, how small and light a steadicam would need to be, putting the thing underwater... everything suddenly becomes a lot less hassle, significantly easier and less expensive to boot... Crash camera anyone? :)

Looking forward to what Nikon comes up with in their later models with Dmovie. I wouldn't be suprised to see the Nikon's and Canon's of this world becoming Red's biggest competitors in the next few years... Not too mention the Arri and Panavision's of this world suddenly shitting themselves that their lens collections might take a tumble in the next few years... Eeek

Exciting stuff!

Paul

[S. Um]

Agreed. There are some short comings now, but this could be the start of a trend that can completely change the industry. Exciting times.

[Michael Bravin]

Boy this thread is interesting to watch. Some here sound like Sony and Panasonic people poo pooing the initial Red One announcement. Don't underestimate Nikon, or Canon for that matter. They watch the RED phenomenon with keen attention to the market possibilities. And...they have tremendous resources, imager fabs, and established lens manufacturing. As soon as they both start competing with each other in this market space (motion imaging) watch out!

Michael Bravin
Been Here Before...many times
Chief Technology Officer
Band Pro Film & Digital

[Sanjin Jukic]

http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Digital-SLR/25446-Nikon-D90/Views/25446_D90_34l.jpg
http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Digital-SLR/25446-Nikon-D90/Views/25446_D90_back.jpg
http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Digital-SLR/25446-Nikon-D90/Views/25446_D90_top.jpg

Movie
Image size (pixels) 1,280 x 720/24 fps, 640 x 424/24 fps, 320 x 216/24 fps
File format AVI
Compression format Motion-JPEG, with monaural sound

LINK>>> (http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Digital-SLR/25446-Nikon-D90/PDF/25446_D90_Nikon_Sell_Sheet.pdf)

[P Andersson]

"*Autofocus is not available when recording movies. Matrix metering is used regardless of the metering method selected."

looks like you can't lock the exposure

[Graeme Nattress]

That would appear to be so from the exposure fluctuations in the shots that I see....

Graeme

[kidrobot]

Nikon Sweden did a quick test. 41s takes 60MB. No idea what resolution, but probably 720p. That compression is pretty high, if it's HD?

[R. Schorman]

"*Autofocus is not available when recording movies. Matrix metering is used regardless of the metering method selected."

looks like you can't lock the exposure

no manual exposure = shitbox

why not have manual? seems like it would be easy.

[kidrobot]

Not just manual exposure, overall I get the feeling Nikon could come up with a pretty decent, small dedicated DV-cam, using the guts of the D90 and the DX-mount.

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

What if you use manual lenses?

"The D90 allows you to select the aperture (from wide open to f/8) prior to commencing, then it handles the adjusting of ISO and shutter speed automatically as needed to maintain video brightness as lighting conditions change during recording. To disable automatic exposure adjustment, it's possible to lock exposure prior to beginning the recording."

[R. Schorman]

That occurred to me too after I posted.

I like the DX lenses which would be the whole selling point for that system.

[Yannick Hagman]

We'll see. My bet is on Canon. It also depends on a easy to use postpro workflow. If Scarlet means an expensive workstation and complicated workflow I consider a follower of this guy.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

i think the footage looks good.. and this is a great option for familys/soccer moms.. an all in one package stills and video..
MUCH better than the old mini dv camera that would also snap pictures. i can also see alot of location scouts/DPs using this as a preliminary tool for pre production

ill pick one up.. since im in the market for a new still camera anyways.

with that in mind.. nikon d40 for sale

[Leo Ticheli]

Anyone who failed to see this coming lacks imagination.

Both Nikon and Canon, and probably others, have glass expertise, the ability to mass produce very high quality and compact cameras, and, most importantly, very mature software. Might as well throw in their wide ranging available accessories.

This little Nikon is certainly no substitute for a Red One, far from it, but it certainly could find itself useful in a variety of situations as suggested by Paul Clements.

Of course we don't really know the quality of the images as yet, but imagine being able to buy a complete camera and ultra wide angle lens for less than the cost of a cine lens.

I certainly don't know how the analysis at Nikon & Canon view the potential markets, but I'll bet this is just the beginning. Cameras such as the Nikon D300 & full frame D700 have live view and could be good platforms for special use motion picture cameras recording to CF cards or other solid state devices with much higher quality images than the little D90.

These are exciting times!

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo

[Don King]

3K at up to 120 frames per second (180 burst)... vs. 720p24...

I don't think so.Do not forget it is 2/3 " against 35 mm !

[Michael Schrengohst]

I shot all of these timelapses with a D200 and was going
to get another one until I saw the D90.

http://www.izonemedia.net/izonetimelapse/

The D90 max res is 4288x2848 which could produce
some nice timelapses' for use in films.

[Chosei Funahara]

I found these on Japanese BBS.
I've heard Canon and Nikon's sensor came from same factory.


APS-C size

NIKON D300 23.6mm×15.8mm
NIKON D90 23.6mm×15.8mm←NEW!
NIKON D60 23.6mm×15.8mm
SONY α700 23.5mm×15.6mm
PENTAX K20D 23.4mm×15.6mm
PENTAX K200D 23.5mm×15.7mm

CANON 30D 22.5mm×15.0mm
CANON 40D 22.2mm×14.8mm
CANON 50D 22.3mm×14.9mm←NEW!
CANON Kiss X2 22.2mm×14.8mm

Oh! I forgot to tell you, both nikon and canon's original sensor were all licensed from Kodak

[michael zaletel]

I think we are finally beginning to see the convergence of still and motion photography. I still can't figure out why the RED ONE isn't used in fashion photography on a wide-spread basis yet. 10 years from now, photography will no longer be about "capturing the moment" because photographers will be able to scroll through their sessions at 120 frames per second to look for the perfect shot.

-shooter

[Gordon Prince]

Agreed.

[Chris Pickle]

I think we are finally beginning to see the convergence of still and motion photography. I still can't figure out why the RED ONE isn't used in fashion photography on a wide-spread basis yet.....

-shooter

because the Red weighs a gazillion pounds. I can't see a chain-smoking, skinny jean wearing, fashion photog, hefting the Red around and then tossing it to their assistant to change out the Red-Drive. :)

[Zack Birlew]

Are you guys kidding? This looks great! Granted, I wouldn't take it over a Scarlet, but I certainly would consider it an pseudo-upgrade over my HV20 as far as filmmaking purposes go. Manual lenses are a must, of course, but hey, that's not much different than what you have to do for 35mm adapters. After seeing the Flash videos, I think I may just have to get one. The thought of using extremely wide lenses like the Tokina 11-16mm 2.8 and low light lenses like the Nikon 50mm 1.2 at their full 35mm performance is enough to warrant the purchase. Granted, anyone picking this up will have to buy an external audio mixer, I'm thinking the Zoom H4 to start with, just for decent audio.

Also, did anyone consider that you could potentially get the Convergent Designs Flash XDR with an HDMI-to-SDI converter and get uncompressed 1080p out of the HDMI port? It'll most likely be technically uprezzed 720p, but if it's uncompressed out of the HDMI port, maybe even at 1080i/1080p resolution to start with depending on the camera settings, it could look pretty darn good! :sorcerer:

[Roberto B]

Are you guys kidding? This looks great! Granted, I wouldn't take it over a Scarlet, but I certainly would consider it an pseudo-upgrade over my HV20 as far as filmmaking purposes go. why over your HV20 or HV30 and not Scarlet?.. as someone already posted.. it is 35mm against 2/3.. don't you see differences?

[car3o]

jack felis, i'm on the same page as you. it looks great for the price and will defnitely will be the gap between now and when the scarlet is released. i plan to at least check it out at ritz before commiting to the purchase.

i'm also looking at that Zoom H4 audio mixer to record sound. Good thing about this cam is that it has sound so it'd be incredibly easy to sync the clap of the slate.

[Bruce Allen]

Also, did anyone consider that you could potentially get the Convergent Designs Flash XDR with an HDMI-to-SDI converter and get uncompressed 1080p out of the HDMI port?

Good Idea... wonder if you can pipe better audio in at the same time?

The camera's only $1000 - that maybe gives you cash left over for a a Sound Devices Mic Pre...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[car3o]

you can check out the avi file here at vimeo...just download the video when you log in instead of stream it...it's nice.

http://www.vimeo.com/1612204

[Roberto B]

Good Idea... wonder if you can pipe better audio in at the same time?

The camera's only $1000 - that maybe gives you cash left over for a a Sound Devices Mic Pre...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.comyes bruce.. on that, i'm with you.. excellent one.. felis the cat has improved since the DVXuser times..

convergent design flash XDR.. HDMI-to-SDI converter.. uncompressed 1080p out of the HDMI port.. would be such a guerilla combo..

edit
better than the revolutionary and heavy red one actually.. scarlet is everything you want but not a revolution since it has no a sensor 35mm sized..

[liquidigital]

There has to be a work around to lock the exposure so it doesn't have those little jumps.

[Erik Rangel]

Yeah, this thing is awesome!

[Luis de la Cerda]

There has to be a work around to lock the exposure so it doesn't have those little jumps.

I think Macgregor quoted something about the user being able to select f-stop before shooting and locking exposure.

[Paris Remillard]

It would be great if Canon would add motion capture to their higher end dSLRs. Problem is, it would cannibalize their existing video cameras. Nikon is in the perfect position because they don't have camcorders. Here's to hoping for a D4 or D400 with RAW video capture.

[kunal2]

Am a canon user, i think it's quite tough for canon or sony to put this movie mode in their DSLR,,they will kill their Handycam market...hope the avi compression use on the D90 is good..crossfingers..

Thanks Nikon, best thing I have heard looooong time. I unluckyly have Canon gear. Hope Canon will do same, with raw.

[Dallas Zhen]

Looks quite dencent to me. Still have the expor problem, hope someone find a way to lock the shutter.

[Dallas Zhen]

Here is test movie.
http://eyevio.jp/movie/159292

[Yannick Hagman]

Not really tough for canon, they aren't on an isolated island, but need to respond to the market. If they don't handle, they are off. Reducing the product line has also it's advantages for them. Did anyone notice the still mode on the HV20? They will come. I don't think that it will take a year for them. They already have it.

[PaulClements]

I'd be surprised if Canon sat on the fence if they saw Nikon have any kind of success. Their markets have converged for many years and as any sensible company they go where the money is. My only worry is that Nikon have brought it out without getting it right or close to right. I can see a lot of people being stand offish and the market looking at it as a gimmick and development therefore slowing up on it. I hope I'm very wrong as the form factor of slr's is a very attractive proposition in the film making world and this has always struck me as a natural evolution.

Paul

[Chosei Funahara]

Check this:

http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2008/08/chase-jarvis-raw-advance-testing-nikon.html

Chase Jarvis said:

"The D-movie. HD720 video in an dSLR is really big news. It’s so cool that we’re seeing the merging of high quality still and video pictures into the same camera. Sure, for us pros, we’ve got the RED camera. But for everybody else? This is the future. People: this is an SLR that shoots killer video! It’s the merging of features that the pros are using and it’s made accessible the the amateur at a price point of $1200+ bucks. Trust me, I played with this feature at length...all of us on location did, for that matter. It's going to be a powerful tool. You can control your own depth of field so beautifully using the manual focus ring, the audio capture is solid, the high ISO capabilities in video?! Way cool... Long lenses, fisheyes, zoom lenses...versatility. I’m a BIG fan of the D-Movie."


EDIT: August 30th, in Japan, there are Nikon Digital Caravan D90 trial event at Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka, Nagoya, Kobe, sapporo, Sendai and Fukuoka; we will see so many HD test results.

http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/event/ndc2008/

In Japan, D90 is the biggest news in photo world, and Canon just had press release 50D yesterday, it became presenter and actor Ken Watanabe's announcement of his new born grandson, wasn't exciting at all.
Canon had already lost war between 50D and D90.

Also, it targeted to low-end amateur that they are soccer moms and dad using D-movie without tripod and no aperture control will be difficult. That I read in Japanese article.

[kidrobot]

Do you guys think this will push manufacturers to put APS-C/Super 35-sensors into cheaper cams? In a couple of years, more and more DSLRs are going to be able to record film and do it much better than the D90. Maybe it will get harder and harder to justify a $10k price tag, and even that is cheap looking at today's offerings.

I understand the D90 is crap in every other aspect apart from the format size (and the pros that come with it), but isn't this film look ability the big wet dream of every budding DP? For the price of a decent DOF-adapter you get a D90.

[Paris Remillard]

Here is test movie.
http://eyevio.jp/movie/159292

this video has some crazy HV20 style, or worse, rolling shutter artifacts though. Squishy image. I'm losing interest...

[Chosei Funahara]

How do you know this was shot by D90?

It says:
"蟻新型マイクロ60で撮影
絞り開放だけどF4ぐらいだったかな？"
translation:
New Ants Micro 60
aperture is full open and F-stop is 4.0

That all.
No camera infomation at all.

nothing say about Nikon D90.



this video has some crazy HV20 style, or worse, rolling shutter artifacts though. Squishy image. I'm losing interest...

[Michael Bravin]

How do you know this was shot by D90?

It says:
"蟻新型マイクロ60で撮影
絞り開放だけどF4ぐらいだったかな？"
translation:
New Ants Micro 60
aperture is full open and F-stop is 4.0

That all.
No camera infomation at all.

nothing say about Nikon D90.

Chosei

The title on the top left of the clip and below in description says: D90 with 60mm Macro lens

Aren't you a native japanese speaker?

Michael

[Chosei Funahara]

Michael,

When I saw it yesterday, there isn't saying "D90サンプル動画　maicro60mm編【虫注意】" translates "the sample of D90's moving image; micro 60mm, edit: (warning insect)."
This guy edited.

And, now it says D90, I'm honestly shocked.
Yes, I am native japanese speaker.
So, sorry, you are right, I see badly warped image.

It's bad cmos warp, I can't accept those image at all.
I totally agree with you.



Chosei

The title on the top left of the clip and below in description says: D90 with 60mm Macro lens

Aren't you a native japanese speaker?

Michael

[kidrobot]

I read somewhere that 5 minutes of video at 720p takes about 600MB.

[M Hsu]

dude. that thing is sweet. it will have limitations. but it's $1000. And this is only the first gen. It has ridiculous possibilities. Imagine a bullet time rig made up of this. You could buy 20 of these for what a red, a lens adapter and a battery pack costs. That's a bullet time rig right there, that records 24 fps.... what could you do with that? You could fly this in an RC chopper with an image stablized lens. It will fit places very few other cameras can. You could carry it in your backpack all day just in case you came across B-reel you needed. Underwater housings would be a tenth of the cost that a RED rig would be.

It's not a RED, it's something else entirely different. And very exciting. There are limitations of course, but mostly I see possibilities. And I'll bet you my RED camera that Jim will be playing with one shortly, if he isn't already.

[Chosei Funahara]

Now, they got it.

50mm/ full open
http://eyevio.jp/movie/159276
50mm/ no data
http://eyevio.jp/movie/159288
VR18-200 /no data
http://eyevio.jp/movie/159289

they went to nikon salon to try out new D-90.
they are so called notorious 2 channel gangs and the fastest informers in japan.
also they against all big media and do guerilla tactics.
So can you see the result.
It's $1000 so-so digi-still camera come with one big gimmick.

Yes, you guys are right, it's first gen.
it's a beginning.

[laguun]

Nice DOF and sensitivity, ok resolution, the rolling readout however is critical for many shots.

great addition, good price.

I personally expect the markets of still/moving cameras to mostly converge rather sooner (~5-7 years) than later (8~12 years).

I expect that the japanese companies will probably overtake most filmmaking and the price will probably be in the $$$$ range.

Another camera which should be mentioned here is the Casio Exilim pro EX-F1.

http://www.exilim.com/intl/ex_f1/
Full 1920*1080 resolution, 60i max.
Up to 1200P in lower resolutions.
6MP (or 2.8K in reds methodology) sensor.
Quicktime H264 mov recording.
HDMI out
F2.7-4.6,
f=7.3 to 87.6mm (35mm film equivalent : 36-432mm)
1/1.8 inch sensor.

Casio and Nikon dont have product conflicts.
Also one shouldnt underestimate Nokia - they can come through a backdoor.

[Roberto B]

the rolling readout however is critical for many shots..what BS you're talking about now jan?.. this is the same camera you'll see on the screen.. at the big screen.. yeah.. at the most important film festivals near you too.. understood?

do not give us stupid geek points such as this one.. every truth in art is fake.. wth have you been smoking?

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8210/lart01gh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Jacques Henri Lartigue.. 1913 car trip papa at 80 kilometers an hour

[Poi Boy]

I wouldn't be surprised to see red come up with a similar product to this (but way better) after scarlet.
Aloha
-A

[Roberto B]

me stands corrected.. it's Jacques-Henri Lartigue..

[Benni Diez]

Look at it this way: It's around the same price as a small AVCHD camcorder. I own a Sony SR11. It's full HD but with nasty compression, hardly any manual controls. The image quality is ok but really only for test stuff, making ofs, or private p*rn... Not to mention the mediocre still mode.

Now take the D90: No doubts about the stills quality. And those videos kick my Sony's ass. Sadly.

Not a great movie cam, but what you get for 1k$ is still awesome in comparison!

[Ajit_AP]

I don't see any major problems with NY Times David Pogue tested the camera:

http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=74fb53b38202407685818a51932e2baa36bff397

There are several pans, I noticed rolling shutter in one shot. I can accept that.

[Chosei Funahara]

hey man!

you guy western people are funny, we, eastern islander are too square and become solid state lava rock, we can't move.
we got to loosen up and got to smoke more oxygen, man!

Edit:
http://eyevio.jp/channel_movies/bookmark_224989

hmmmm......

no word....

[Castle]

I believe the problem with the current implementation of the D90 is the Exmor image processor its mated to. Its a evolution of a year-old design that wasn't originally meant to handle video. This is the likely reason it can't handle any compression other then mjpeg and it doesn't have the speed or buffer to handle any higher resolutions. Downstream from the sensor I'm assuming there is little being done to video in reducing its shortcomings in quality. Supposedly, you can still shoot off 12MP stills while recording in 720p, but Nikon obviously doesn't have a RAW video format at the moment, and even if it did the image processor may not be able to handle it. I assume Nikon could easily make a video version of the NEF RAW that is already being used in the D90, and I suspect they'll have it in some future iteration once these image processors are designed from the ground up to handle both still photography and video.



Nice DOF and sensitivity, ok resolution, the rolling readout however is critical for many shots.

great addition, good price.

I personally expect the markets of still/moving cameras to mostly converge rather sooner (~5-7 years) than later (8~12 years).

I expect that the japanese companies will probably overtake most filmmaking and the price will probably be in the $$$$ range.

Another camera which should be mentioned here is the Casio Exilim pro EX-F1.

http://www.exilim.com/intl/ex_f1/
Full 1920*1080 resolution, 60i max.
Up to 1200P in lower resolutions.
6MP (or 2.8K in reds methodology) sensor.
Quicktime H264 mov recording.
HDMI out
F2.7-4.6,
f=7.3 to 87.6mm (35mm film equivalent : 36-432mm)
1/1.8 inch sensor.

Casio and Nikon dont have product conflicts.
Also one shouldnt underestimate Nokia - they can come through a backdoor.

The Casio EX-F1 and Nikon D90 both have something in common. They are both using sensor and image processors design and built by Sony in their Fab2 plant in Kyushu. Technically speaking speaking they have more in common, they are the new generation of Sony's Column-Parallel A/D Conversion CMOs sensors, where each column in the sensor has its own A/D converter, the idea is to reduce noise and increase speed of the sensor. This has been demonstrated in the IMX017CQE sensor in the Casio EX-F1 that can do up to 1200 fps. The D90 uses the Sony's IMX021 sensor, which is an APS-C sized sensor and we've seen demonstrated in the D90. Sony have also shown their 24.8 megapixel full-frame sensor that uses the same technology, we should see the Alpha-900 with that sensor next month in Photokina, it's still a question if it'll have HD-movie or not. However, Sony does plan on making these CMOS sensors a convergent component. Clearly, the form-factor may change, and at first we may see dSLR that can take movies and camcorders that can take quality stills, but ultimately it'll be a fungibility of these sensors between devices that will become important for sensor manufactures. Last year, the IMX021 sensor that is now used in the D90 was selling for $350 for the sample price, obviously the sample price is multiple times more expensive then the final price in bulk, but you can assume the sensor and the Exmor/Bionz image processor that Sony also sells is relatively affordable to third-parties. I would be surprised if the D90 wasn't just the tip of the iceberg of things to come from a myriad of manufactures with CMOS expertise.

[Tom Lowe]

This only makes sense. We all knew it was coming. I'm surprised it has taken this long.

Very good news.

I will be more excited once the resolution reaches 1920x1280. This will be incredibly useful for shooting stock footage in the mountains, shooting documentaries, music videos, etc. Well, really, for everything!

I hope Canon gets onboard fast and that they allow variable framerates in the "movie" mode.

[marasco ivan]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New movie footage from a production model D90 available for download at
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08...plegallery.asp.

[Jamesmanilow]

I have ordered a D90. This is the perfect Pocket HD video/DSLR camera for me.

[Nova Invicta]

One advantage any camera from Nikon, Canon etc would have over Red would be local servicing as all these guys have an established network. We had a lens fixed by Canon last week in 24Hrs!

As stated this is the first step but Canon in particular will not be far behind and Sony & Panasonic are bound to follow thereafter. The exciting thing about it is no one company will capture the market exclusively.

[Bruce Allen]

Hey Castle, that's very interesting info you have... post more please!

Looking at the DPreview samples (thanks Shiny), it seems to have some problems:

- weird flickering color moire on the high-frequency clipped highlights on the upper right side of the pool (DSC_0165.AVI)
- scaling algorithm used (or is it just binning?) gives the high frequency detail around the penguin's eye a weird look (DSC_0043.AVI)

I'm excluding the exposure changes of course, because you can lock that.

Anyway, sadly it looks like I can't sell my HV20 + 35mm adapter combo yet!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[jaadgy akanni]

Hey Castle, that's very interesting info you have... post more please!

Looking at the DPreview samples (thanks Shiny), it seems to have some problems:

- weird flickering color moire on the high-frequency clipped highlights on the upper right side of the pool (DSC_0165.AVI)
- scaling algorithm used (or is it just binning?) gives the high frequency detail around the penguin's eye a weird look (DSC_0043.AVI)

I'm excluding the exposure changes of course, because you can lock that.

Anyway, sadly it looks like I can't sell my HV20 + 35mm adapter combo yet!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

heheheh Same here Bruce. I was already planning on putting my HD200u + Brevis35 up for sale, but I guess, not yet.

[Sarah C.]

I'm going to wait on Canon.. afterall, they have been making camcorders like the GL and XL series for years. >=)

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/08/unconfirmed_more_canon_eos_5d_mark_ii_specs_leak_l ookin_good-2.html

Hoping this comes true...
~S

[Michael Schrengohst]

I don't see Canon coming out with a DSLR/video combo camera just yet.
Canon has such a strong line of camcorders that I just don't see them
competing with themselves unless the concept of a D90 really takes off.
I was looking at a D300 but for what I do a D90 is fine and now I will probably
take more video on my trips. I stopped bringing a video camera along years ago
as I just would not do anything with the hours of tape I shot. Now having a DSLR
that I would take anyway that can shoot acceptable video on a card is perfect.
I see Nikon taking the concept further if the D90 becomes a best seller.

[Jamesmanilow]

I have ordered a D90. This is the perfect Pocket HD video/DSLR camera for me.
Comparing this tiny sleek beautiful camera to RED is like comparing an iphone to a desktop PC.
I am sure this product will take off like iphone.
can you imagine taking a humongous RED on your vaction and fiddle around with post, when you can take this pocket camera and take all videos you want with 35 mm DOF and connect it to a new TV and watch it without any post headaches?
In addition to the convenience, compare the price: $1200 with everything vs $50,000?
wow!
By Christmas time, Canon will have a similar camera with better specs and lower price.

[Leo Ticheli]

Convergence of stills and video is inexorable.

The D90 is just the first example with more undoubtedly to follow with higher resolution and more motion picture camera features. These cameras promise to be outstanding considering the software expertise that Nikon, Canon, and others can apply to massive production capability and global markets.

On the other side of the coin, we can expect small sensor motion picture cameras to benefit from higher still image quality.

Choose your form factor and sensor size.

I rather doubt Nikon & Canon will challenge Red in the professional cinema arena; the market is probably too small to interest them. Of course, I could be wrong. If they see profit potential in 35MM PL glass, they might just configure a camera for our needs to complete the product line.

Exciting times!

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo

[Jamesmanilow]

I rather doubt Nikon & Canon will challenge Red in the professional cinema arena; the market is probably too small to interest them.
Leo

Does anybody remember Kodak DCS 14n from Photokina in September 2002. That 14 megapixel, full frame sensor camera was a show stopper with $5000 price tag. (CMOS sensor was made by Tower Semiconductor in Israel. Body was of Nikon F80. Electronics were made by Kodak Professional. Lenses were from Nikon.)

With all its manufacturing might and technical knowhow and deep pockets and world wide distribution, Kodak could not compete with Canon. (Canon EOS1Ds with 11 megapiuxel, full frame sensor was priced at $8000).

The lesson is this: Larger megapixel or lower price cannot guarantee success.

Nikon / Canon lenses can challenge PL mount lenses. Once Nikon or Canon enter the field with a 35mm, fullframe sensor, lower priced video capable camera, the current crop of 2K, 3k, 4K and 6K cameras will go the way Kodak DCS 14n went.

As Leo said, interesting times are ahead.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Convergence of stills and video is inexorable.

Yep.


I rather doubt Nikon & Canon will challenge Red in the professional cinema arena; the market is probably too small to interest them. Of course, I could be wrong. If they see profit potential in 35MM PL glass, they might just configure a camera for our needs to complete the product line.

I don't see Nikon or Canon jumping into the ring with PL mount glass. But I do see them releasing new series of lenses that are adapted to their motion picture offerings. We'll see future Nikon and Canon lenses designed to minimize breathing and serve more appropriately for motion picture use. Although, I do see their camera and lens offerings catering more to the consumer and prosumer crowd. Eventually autofocus, auto exposure, auto-everything will be the name of the game in the 35mm still+motion camera world.

Jim recently mentioned that RED is planning a camera for the DSLR market. It makes sense and I think RED is already two steps ahead of the competition, or at least as far as far as capturing high-res moving images goes.

[Joel Kaye]

But I do see them releasing new series of lenses that are adapted to their motion picture offerings. We'll see future Nikon and Canon lenses designed to minimize breathing and serve more appropriately for motion picture use.

That's my bet, but I have to add that I've been shooting a variety of Nikons on RED in real world narrative situations and I don't think I (or anyone else) have noticed breathing as I've been riding the focus constantly by eye because there just isn't that much to notice. The consistent reaction is the same "looks like a real movie". The glass is close now.

[aaamotion]

One advantage any camera from Nikon, Canon etc would have over Red would be local servicing as all these guys have an established network. We had a lens fixed by Canon last week in 24Hrs!

As stated this is the first step but Canon in particular will not be far behind and Sony & Panasonic are bound to follow thereafter. The exciting thing about it is no one company will capture the market exclusively.

You were lucky, or you live in Japan lol or you lied :tongue:
because I m living in Paris and if you have any problem, you have to wait at least a week to get fixed your lense or Camera!

[Karl H]

This could be bigger news than we realise.

Ok so a nikon SLR isnt designed for video shooting - but the technology is there and imagine what it would do if complimented by a well designed video body, as opposed to a last minute software add-on which this appears to be.

The main thing for me is you have a sensor clocking at 24fps at 4K and it doesn't need to be fan cooled! It doesnt weigh a ton either. The fact that it can only produce 720p right now is a recording limitation which hopefully is due to the DSLR designed internals. Redesigned as a video cam Im sure that would go to 1080p easily.

I bought the Red One, but i have to say this tech points to something that potentially could be a lot lighter and cheaper than a Red One within a couple years.

Personally I had alwasy hoped the Red would be lighter and more prosumer friendly than it is. I remember Jim saying there was no need for the Red to be the size an weight of a varicam and it would be more like a Z1. Unfort that never turned out to be the case. Scarlet I might buy, but I really would have liked to have put my canon lenses on it.

exciting times.

I think when people were asking for a 'scaled' mode in their Red, this is what they were refering to. All the benifits of 4K DOF, but super small 720p/1080p file size for extended recording times on CF. Ok, it isnt RAW, but im sure there are situations where people would compromise and use this (I would for some corporate video), and I assume you'd get a better editing experience than we do right now with R3D.

[kidrobot]

The main thing for me is you have a sensor clocking at 24fps at 4K and it doesn't need to be fan cooled!

It doesn't have to be, but given the 5min limit at 720p, it could probably benefit from some cool air.

[Tom Lowe]

So is this using a standard DSLR shutter?

Kevlar?

[Leo Ticheli]

So is this using a standard DSLR shutter?

Kevlar?

Surely not, Tom. I don't think any current shutter would last very long.

I would expect the exposures to be made as in the Red, with Live View.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo

[Jamesmanilow]

Jim recently mentioned that RED is planning a camera for the DSLR market. It makes sense and I think RED is already two steps ahead of the competition, or at least as far as far as capturing high-res moving images goes.

Jim is a brave man and a risk-taker and he has deeper pockets than many of us.
But, his pockets are not deep enough to compete in the DSLR market.
That market is riddled with corpses of also-rans. Even venerable Kodak is lying in the dust there.
I hope Jim will soon wake up from his delusional dreams and forget about his plans to compete in the DSLR field and avoid a personal bankruptcy.

As far as RED is concerned, Jim has stirred up the tiny mavie-camera niche market.
Here also, once Japanese and Korean competitors bring out their 4K, 35mm, PL mount, under $10K camera, it will be a whole new ball gme.

[Graeme Nattress]

To compete and win in any market, you must not only innovate, but listen. RED is innovating, that's for sure, but we're also listening.

Graeme

[Tom Lowe]

I hope Jim will soon wake up from his delusional dreams and forget about his plans to compete in the DSLR field and avoid a personal bankruptcy.



Hah! Hah! Hah! Apparently, you don't know much about Jim.

[Castle]

Hey Castle, that's very interesting info you have... post more please!

Thanks. I'll try to extrapolate on my previous post.

This convergence, and the release of the D90, in many ways shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Sony's new CMOS sensors have been designed from the ground-up as both a still and video sensor, and we've seen variants of these Exmor sensors that center around column-parallel A/D method in everything from the D90, A700, Casio EX-F1, PMW-EX1, and soon the 24.8MP full-frame Alpha-900 DSLR (and rumored Nikon D3x).

In fact, this 'convergence' was openly published by themselves in Sony Semiconductor and LCD News publication about a year and a half ago, they were discussing the IMX017CQE (which would later be seen in the Casio EX-F1):


"The column-parallel A/D conversion technique introduced in this article achieves radical improvements in the speed and picture quality of CMOS sensors. Sony is now developing CMOS sensors that adopt this technique and take maximum advantage of CMOS sensor high-speed characteristics for application such as seamless imaging that can capture still images at the same time as capturing moving images to hard disk video recorders and other devices. This technology also has the possibility of implementing new ultrahigh-speed cameras that can capture video at the ultrahigh speed of several hundred frame/s."

The IMX017CQE Exmor sensor was designed to do 6.4MP at 60fps or 2.8MP at 180fps. This was achieved since the processing is performed in parallel for each column, the A/D conversion frequency is extremely low, and the high-frequency band noise components can be separated from the signal components.

Theoretically speaking, the IMX021-variant CMOS sensor in the D90 could do 1080p and 30+fps or more, however there are other issues involved. Since the internal machinations of the D90 aren't published, we can only do guess work based off of already published data from Sony. Looking, at the IMX017CQE runs at a 75mhz for the master clock and the internal PLL generates 300mhz to implement the high-speed operation of A/D converters, slope generating DA converter, digital output LVDS interface, etc. But running a higher clockspeed on a sensor the size of IMX021 in the D90 body may lead to other issues such as heating. Beyond that, the image processor its mated to wasn't designed to handle video to the best of our knowledge, and there are downstream considerations as well. Possibly with a different form factor, dedicated cooling and DSP- it may be possible.

As far as directly dealing with rolling-shutter issues its much more difficult. There are methods such as APS(active pixel sensor) very-large-scale integrated (VLSI) CMOS that NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory designed that dramatically reduces rolling shutter, and I've also heard of rolling-shutter prediction algorithms where the DSP can compensate for skew. But none of this helps Nikon or Sony at the moment. Rolling-shutter will be something that these convergent devices will have for the near future (but hopefully dramatically less).

Moving forward, I would surprised if Sony's Alpha-700 successor doesn't have HD video capabilities as well (since it uses the same sensor as the D90). Olympus with their micro-4/3 mount and Samsung/Pentax have announced a new line of "bridge"/'rangefinder' cameras that have interchangeable lenses. These cameras will lose the reflex-mirror element and use EVFs and Live-View to operate the camera and would be a perfect candidate for HD-video. I guess RED has also announced something, Finally, there's Canon, its hard to imagine they would sitting on their thumbs; its only a matter of time.

We've also yet to see back-lit CMOS sensors commercialized and Canon has just put in gap-less microlenses in their CMOS; sensor technology is moving forward incredibly rapidly. For me at least, the D90 isn't interesting so much as what it preludes to.

[Jamesmanilow]

Hah! Hah! Hah! Apparently, you don't know much about Jim.

Dear Friend,
Jim got 1.3 billion from his sale of Oakley.
That is a lot more money than both of us put together.
But, compared to Sony, that is drop in a bucket.
Sony eat 1.3 billion for breakfast everyday.

[Tom Lowe]

Dear Friend,
Jim got 1.3 billion from his sale of Oakley.
That is a lot more money than both of us put together.
But, compared to Sony, that is drop in a bucket.
Sony eat 1.3 billion for breakfast everyday.

And Jim eats doubters for breakfast.

[Craig Ryan]

Dear Friend,
Jim got 1.3 billion from his sale of Oakley.
That is a lot more money than both of us put together.
But, compared to Sony, that is drop in a bucket.
Sony eat 1.3 billion for breakfast everyday.

And they give how much of that back to their customers? Apparently there must be some secret Sony society where they get free firmware upgrades, sensor upgrades, a new standard for customer feedback/interaction, and even have their whole team of developers/programmers, AND Chief of operations on a message board to answer all of their questions, even if they are sometimes ridiculous.
:whistling::sarcasm:

[Kenn Michael]

So Kholi and Drew Ott over at dvxuser got their hands on the D90 and Kholi has been shooting quick tests and posting the results...

What's interesting is that it makes you appreciate what Red has done with the SLR-type sensor technology and made it an extremely viable motion picture solution.

What are the problems with the D90?

- Ridiculous amount of skew. Like cellphone skew.

- Whatever process Nikon is using to do the realtime scale down to 720 from the full frame sensor is pretty nasty. Taking the 720 files and downconverting them to 480 looks acceptable. Graeme probably knows what method their using, but it makes me think about how doing realtime scaling of full Red sensor to 2K or 1080 was scrapped from the feature list.

- Color and basic look are nice, but there is a lot of hacking and little workarounds to get manual operation while shooting video.

Anyway, we all realize that this is just the beginning of Nikon and Canon starting to do their convergence thing... But it's also a testament to the amazing work that the Red team has done over the last years to make Red One what it is today.

[JanneJansson]

Dear Friend,
Jim got 1.3 billion from his sale of Oakley.
That is a lot more money than both of us put together.
But, compared to Sony, that is drop in a bucket.
Sony eat 1.3 billion for breakfast everyday.

Sony can't make a 4k camera over night, because then they have made ALL other cameras they are making old technology. Sooner or later they are making a 4K camera that lands in the $200k zone, and have the "SONY" stamp on it.

[Steve Sanacore]

I guess the company to really watch out for is Cannon, since they have a long tradition with both and are sort of behind right now. It's just a matter if they'll do it in time to matter. If not Nikon may be the one who unexpectedly steals the thunder in the upcoming digital cinematic revolution (besides Red, of course, who is helping getting it started).

I would guess Canon, Sony and Panasonic are all well equipped to make full frame 35mm digital movie cameras as soon as they see a market for it large enough to justify the investment. It will be interesting to see what happens. It could turn into internal disputes between the video vs. still capture divisions of the companies. Sort of like what happened at IBM in the 80's when the PC started to outperform their mini computers. Lot's of heads rolling and funny stories there.

How difficult could it be for Sony to take their best 10MP 35mm sensor and stick it in a Cinealta body with an SLR or PL lens mount?

These are exciting times....

[ThydNostrum]

I would guess Canon, Sony and Panasonic are all well equipped to make full frame 35mm digital movie cameras as soon as they see a market for it large enough to justify the investment. It will be interesting to see what happens. It could turn into internal disputes between the video vs. still capture divisions of the companies. Sort of like what happened at IBM in the 80's when the PC started to outperform their mini computers. Lot's of heads rolling and funny stories there.

How difficult could it be for Sony to take their best 10MP 35mm sensor and stick it in a Cinealta body with an SLR or PL lens mount?.

Sony already markets a 4K projector. They have the Vegas editor that does 4K post workflow. Sony has already manufactured a 28MP sensor in their Facory.
As soon as their non-compete agreement with Panavision expires, they will introduce a 4K, 35mm Camera along with Software for 4K editing, 4K projector and 4K monitor.
There is a rumor that Sony is readying a 2/3" 4K camera for under $10K for NAB 2009. Probably a PMW-EX5.

These are exciting times.

[Sarah C.]

As soon as their non-compete agreement with Panavision expires, they will introduce a 4K, 35mm Camera along with Software for 4K editing, 4K projector and 4K monitor.

And I just heard today that Panavision is buying or has bought some Red cameras!

~S

[Andrew Walker]

I heard the same thing last weekend at a party.

[Manfred Lopez]

As soon as their non-compete agreement with Panavision expires, they will introduce a 4K, 35mm Camera along with Software for 4K editing, 4K projector and 4K monitor.
There is a rumor that Sony is readying a 2/3" 4K camera for under $10K for NAB 2009. Probably a PMW-EX5.



And I just heard today that Panavision is buying or has bought some Red cameras!

~S

What?! I leave the forum for 24 hours and this happens? Wow, I guess NAB 2009 will be a game-changer for these companies... 'THE DAY THEY'LL SAY "ME TOO"'

[Kaku Ito]

D90 and Casio Exlim Pro cameras are not movie cameras, they are digital SLR that can shoot movie clips. It is not much more than any digital camera with movie function, they won't be for shooting movies unless some kind of special approach is planned.

Shooting video with D90, it was so much better than Casio since you can change the focus during the shoot. Also vast choices of interchangeable lenses adds a lot for more creative shooting methods. It meant to shoot static shots, as soon as you pan or do handy shooting, or even shooting fast moving object in static shooting, it suffers serious rolling shutter issues.

D90 seems to be a great DSLR, but nothing to get serious for shooting movies. Its movie function is just extra feature.

[Mark Pugh]

I heard the same thing last weekend at a party.

I've seen one in Panavision in Sydney, Australia.
Panavised version- ready for Primos. When I asked when they were going to be made available, I was told when the Red is more stable...

[Kholi Hicks]

http://www.vimeo.com/1682201

Cleanest I could get out of a D90 so far. Gonna lock the camera down tomorrow and actually shoot something with it now that I've got SOME sort'a grasp on the situation.

[megacrash]

http://www.vimeo.com/1682201

Cleanest I could get out of a D90 so far. Gonna lock the camera down tomorrow and actually shoot something with it now that I've got SOME sort'a grasp on the situation.

it'd mean the world to me if you could give me some fullres test footage for analyzing

this rolling shutter problem is a huge disappointment

[Kholi Hicks]

The Latest:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=146661

and

www.vimeo/d90

You can download the raw on the vimeo sites. Just look down at the bottom left and it gives you the option. Hope that helps.

[Kenn Michael]

Kholi is truly the trailblazer for this camera in the filmmaking community. He's been doing some great work figuring the camera out for our needs.

Thanks for your determination for squeezing every little bit of performance from this camera! :)

[Bruce Allen]

Kholi is truly the trailblazer for this camera in the filmmaking community. He's been doing some great work figuring the camera out for our needs.

Thanks for your determination for squeezing every little bit of performance from this camera! :)

Agreed. Kholi is an awesome guy and very talented too. I was lucky to work with him when we shot some stuff for the Red NAB thing - he really kicks ass on set.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[megacrash]

The Latest:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=146661

and

www.vimeo/d90

You can download the raw on the vimeo sites. Just look down at the bottom left and it gives you the option. Hope that helps.

thx a lot!

[Vermoski]

Is this camera going to be a modified version of D90?
I would prefer the DSLR Killer to be like a D90 with 4" LCD and full frame sensor. Such a camera will be a DSLR killer.
By the way, Sony can manufacture such a camera as an OEM for Jim.

[Lars Xang]

Interesting wobble test:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=146976

wobble bobble!

[Jannard]

This is the result of a slow-reset CMOS sensor.

Jim

[P Andersson]

canonrumors found that somebody is making it possible with some kind of movie mode on the canon 40D with a firmware upgrade

http://www.canonrumors.com/index.php?entry=entry080913-202122

a small sample here

http://stack.dataghost.com/40D.avi

not the right quality, but nice to know that it is the beginning of something

[Roberto B]

And Jim eats doubters for breakfast.:) :)

[Andrew Martin]

I'm shooting spots about the D-90 on Friday when the digital camera store i do all the video stuff for receive their first shipment of the cameras.

I'm going to be taking it out for a spin with a mini movie type thing - probably will be Urban stuff, cars etc as that's what we have around the location. I will be happy to post the results here next week if people want.

Btw - i'm not getting one - no need to with my Red coming in a month or so lol. Shot Burlesque dancers with the D700 today which was fun :biggrin:


Andrew.

[Yannick Hagman]

What's causing the flickering we see?

[Drew Ott]

You can lock the exposure. The flickering comes from users who forget to turn off auto-exposure.

[Yannick Hagman]

You can lock the exposure. The flickering comes from users who forget to turn off auto-exposure.

Kholi: Turn of auto-exposure please.