Delivery process to Europe

[Ales Baumgartner]

Hi,
Can someone describe me the delivery process from the moment I got the email from Red to taking delivery? Especially to European union.
Thank you very much..I'm a bit confused with this.

Any tips for cheaper duty are welcome !!! :)

Ales

[Michael Stanmore]

DO NOT take the amount that Fedex quote to you! It will always be too high. You can negotiate by telling them the TARIC codes of the different things in your shipment.

I did this and was able to get my shipment duty free.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

DO NOT take the amount that Fedex quote to you! It will always be too high. You can negotiate by telling them the TARIC codes of the different things in your shipment.

I did this and was able to get my shipment duty free.

i agree
from 5500 € down to 3200 €

[RED I]

hi
soon (i hope) i will get my red, and i would to know in more details about the shipment to EU if someone got the time.
is fedex the only company for shipment ( is there a cheaper one?) and what is the TARIC codes?
thanks

[Denis Buhot]

Hi,
Can someone describe me the delivery process from the moment I got the email from Red to taking delivery? Especially to European union.
Thank you very much..I'm a bit confused with this.

Any tips for cheaper duty are welcome !!! :)

Ales

Got my red one week ago... French customs allowed it duty free, in accordance with TARIC, it being a digital camera, not a video camera. VAT as the only thing I had to pay for. Just make sure they get that point, since others had to pay heavy taxes.

[RED I]

thanks buhot
did you fill some forms yourself, or just talked to the shipment company, and did you have any shipment insurance or its also the one provided by the shipment company and final question ( sorry) how much was the cost

[John Redfern]

Got my red one week ago... French customs allowed it duty free, in accordance with TARIC, it being a digital camera, not a video camera. VAT as the only thing I had to pay for. Just make sure they get that point, since others had to pay heavy taxes.

Interesting! Mine is in transit at the moment. What was the Taric code you quouted?

John

UK

[Denis Buhot]

Interesting! Mine is in transit at the moment. What was the Taric code you quouted?

John

UK

actually ! However, I had taken a look at the taric beforehand, and noticed digital cameras would bear no taxes at all (except vat). Code for digital cameras was 85258030(00). Accordingly, they applied a % rate, and I had nothing to do.. but agree.

[Stephen Williams]

Got my red one week ago... French customs allowed it duty free, in accordance with TARIC, it being a digital camera, not a video camera. VAT as the only thing I had to pay for. Just make sure they get that point, since others had to pay heavy taxes.

Hi,

Be aware that the Customs & Excise can come back to you for at least 5 years if they think an error was made with the original classification. If you were to make a false declaration they can seize the camera and fine you as well.

Stephen

[hanselblat]

Hi all,
there were earlier posts about this subject. I was rather shocked about reading 3200 euros; I remember distinctly that someone in Amsterdam said he only paid a couple of hundred, though he didn't make it very clear how they came to this sum, or whether the shipping costs were included, which probably wasn't the case

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Hi all,
there were earlier posts about this subject. I was rather shocked about reading 3200 euros; I remember distinctly that someone in Amsterdam said he only paid a couple of hundred, though he didn't make it very clear how they came to this sum, or whether the shipping costs were included, which probably wasn't the case

3200 including vat....customs 0 %
red is for free....because the definition of videocams are different....
i love the fact red didnt include a firewire port

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Hi all,
there were earlier posts about this subject. I was rather shocked about reading 3200 euros; I remember distinctly that someone in Amsterdam said he only paid a couple of hundred, though he didn't make it very clear how they came to this sum, or whether the shipping costs were included, which probably wasn't the case

Yeah, Amsterdam,

VINCENT
Yeah, it breaks down like this:
it's legal to buy it, it's legal to
own it and, if you're the
proprietor of a hash bar, it's
legal to sell it. It's legal to
carry it, which doesn't really
matter 'cause -- get a load of this
-- if the cops stop you, it's
illegal for this to search you.
Searching you is a right that the
cops in Amsterdam don't have.

Amsterdam has its own rules! :clown2:

[Roberto B]

Hi,

Be aware that the Customs & Excise can come back to you for at least 5 years if they think an error was made with the original classification. If you were to make a false declaration they can seize the camera and fine you as well.

Stephenyour mind is full of "do this".. "don't do this".. it is a mainstream machine in fact.. :help: hey jarred.. what about to convert stephen's application form (to mod) in his nick?.. "mainstream machine" should be fine.. unless you wish the best post cleaner.. there's no best!

[hanselblat]

Yeah, Amsterdam,

VINCENT
Yeah, it breaks down like this:
it's legal to buy it, it's legal to
own it and, if you're the
proprietor of a hash bar, it's
legal to sell it. It's legal to
carry it, which doesn't really
matter 'cause -- get a load of this
-- if the cops stop you, it's
illegal for this to search you.
Searching you is a right that the
cops in Amsterdam don't have.

Amsterdam has its own rules! :clown2:
I am very sure we were talking about cameras, eisenstein, and anyways, the times they are achanging in Amsterdam; nowadays the police does routine body searches, mostly for weapons though:biggrin:

[Olivier Madar]

Got my red one week ago... French customs allowed it duty free, in accordance with TARIC, it being a digital camera, not a video camera. VAT as the only thing I had to pay for. Just make sure they get that point, since others had to pay heavy taxes.

I get my Red in France 3 weeks ago, and I had to pay 4,9% duty taxes. The argument "digital camera" versus "video camera" seems not to be enough to discuss the duty taxes...

[John Redfern]

I get my Red in France 3 weeks ago, and I had to pay 4,9% duty taxes. The argument "digital camera" versus "video camera" seems not to be enough to discuss the duty taxes...

Well this is going to be interesting and I should be able to add something when I've been through myself in the next week or so. There is no doubt that Customs and Excise will come up with a definitive classification for the Red camera but at the moment it is clearly not a video camera because it does not fit the 'television' format of pal rgb etc. It is not a film camera because it has no film. So to call it a digital camera is the only thing you can do. If you can get customs to accept that there will be no comeback later.

If it is a video camera recorder (8525809100) it is 4.9% rather than 12.5% if it had separate record inputs. So 4.9% isn't as bad as it might be but 0% for 8525803000 is even better.

I'll report back.

John

[Frank Mirbach]

Got our RED this week, negotiated with FedEx also. Ended up with the Cam being classified as "still camera" with 0% and all accessories, except cables, lens and batteries were also 0%. I haven´t got the bill from FedEx yet, but we´ll pay only about 320 EUR for customs, plus VAT of course.

Frank

[Ales Baumgartner]

Thanx for all the comments, guys. Now I just have to hope that I'll success with definition of ,,digital camera,, !

[JanneJansson]

Thise are the proper custom codes for REDONE to EU (as far as I know):

Camera - 8525 80 30 00
Battery pack - 8507 80 00 00
Drives - 8471 70 90 00
LCD - 8531 20 00 20
8gig card - 8542 32 00 23
Various cast handles etc - 7616 99 50 60
Rods - 7228 40 00 00
Bolt set - 7318 22 00 00

[hanselblat]

Got our RED this week, negotiated with FedEx also. Ended up with the Cam being classified as "still camera" with 0% and all accessories, except cables, lens and batteries were also 0%. I haven´t got the bill from FedEx yet, but we´ll pay only about 320 EUR for customs, plus VAT of course.

Frank
That was what I meant! Can you say what the VAT in Germany amounted to, and the shipping itself?

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

I am very sure we were talking about cameras, eisenstein, and anyways, the times they are achanging in Amsterdam; nowadays the police does routine body searches, mostly for weapons though:biggrin:

Sorry man, I did not read in the last post that you lived in Amsterdam... so sorry for that, Didnt mean to offend you or your Country. I just like to quote movies.....

Havent been In your Contry tough, lloking forward to be in the Rijksmuseum!

[hanselblat]

man, I see no reason for taking offense whatsoever!

[John Redfern]

UPDATE
FedEx inform me (without any input from me) that it is ZERO rated for duty. That's the whole package including EVF etc. Great.

Just had to shell out £3000 for VAT though - but I'll claim that back in due course.

John

[Andrew Martin]

UPDATE
FedEx inform me (without any input from me) that it is ZERO rated for duty. That's the whole package including EVF etc. Great.

Just had to shell out £3000 for VAT though - but I'll claim that back in due course.

John

Thats great news JRTT.

Andrew.

[ericyoung]

UPDATE
FedEx inform me (without any input from me) that it is ZERO rated for duty. That's the whole package including EVF etc. Great.

Just had to shell out £3000 for VAT though - but I'll claim that back in due course.

John

Wow, it all seems just so arbitrary! Some people getting charged 0%, others 4.9% and others a variation in between for individual items. :pinch:

0% is good news of course, so I'm hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst customs rate when I take delivery!

[Mike Gifford]

I only paid import duty on the Tshirts - camera and accessories were zero rated after I quoted TARIC codes to Fedex - hope this helps

[ericyoung]

I only paid import duty on the Tshirts - camera and accessories were zero rated after I quoted TARIC codes to Fedex - hope this helps

Hi 4igiff/Mike

Can you list the TARIC codes you told Fedex.

I've now seen or been sent codes by UK Redusers for actual deliveries in the UK which have been different for each person!

At least one had batteries at 4.7% and accessories at 6.0%. Then the question is what is defined as an accessory rather than an essential part of a working camera kit? For example if I buy an SLR kit, I doubt customs break it down into all the bits for duty purposes.

And some don't seem to be valid codes on the UK Taric lookup:
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?Lang=EN

I'm guessing those are US TARIC codes which are only partially the same as EU ones. Unfortunately can't seem to find an equivalent US Taric lookup to check descriptions.

I guess it's a lottery, but if you got it all at 0% with your codes, then those are the ones I want!! :w00t:

Cheers
Eric

[Mike Gifford]

I have mislead you about everything being zero rated - I seem to have paid duty on the 18-50 lens - but I chose to offer a TARIC code for the lens rather than lump it in with all the other accessories, so probably my mistake!

Camera - 85258030 00 - 0%
Accessories - 85299020 00 - 0%
Camera lens - 90021100 50 - 6.7%
T Shirts - 61091000 00 - 12%

If I was doing this again, I would put the lens in with the Accessory code
I suspect that is what Fedex are now doing

All my other purchases from the US (Viewfactor, ET, Visual Products) have come in at 0%

Cheers

[John Redfern]

Can you list the TARIC codes you told Fedex.



There are several codes and if Fedex think it looks like a video camera they will classify it as one. But the code for Video cameras comes under Television and the 2 codes refer to cameras that can act as a tape recorder (ie with audio & video inputs) that is rated at 12.5% or ones that don't have separate inputs 4.9%.

Red One is patently not a video camera in any sense so it can only be classified as a digital camera. The code for that is 8525 80 3000.

I don't think that's likely to change because with Nikon SLRs now able to shoot at 25 frames the area is getting very blurred.

Those of you guys who paid 4.9% should be able to claim it back.

John

[John Redfern]

I would add that it is up to the importer/or you to argue that the camera and separate components are all part of one complete assembly. All mine came in at 0%, lens EVF, batteries everything. It can be argued that the camera body is not a camera until it has a viewfinder and lens.

The main thing is don't just accept what they say.

John

[ericyoung]

Thanks everyone. I think anecdotal evidence is useful until Customs gets to know RED!

Keep posting your experiences - I will when I get mine in the next month or so.

6.7% for lenses on their own is probably right. But when part of a kit I think it's arguable.

[AntonyCASAFilms]

One question which has already been asked... but not yet answered... are all deliveries by FedEx, or are other companies sometimes used?


Also, I had a long chat with HM Customs and Excise (or HMRC as they are now known). They went over all the different options with me. Two important points they made were:

1. although separately different parts have different rates of duty, they are happy for you to lump everything in with the MAIN code. As the camera body is the most expensive part, this will be the code you can use.

2. they told me that the SHIPPER (i.e. RED) should put the TARIC code on the package when sending it.

Do Red currently do this? From what I have read, I am guessing not.
Will they do it on request?

[M_Sanderson]

Isnt the MAIN code 0% then?
I read somewhere they only use FedEx

[AntonyCASAFilms]

My camera has now been sitting at Stansted for more than 2 days "Awaiting Customs clearance".

Can people who have received their cameras give me any idea how long this takes?

How do FedEx contact you? or do you pay the Duty/VAT when they deliver to you?

[John Redfern]

Fedex at Stanstead will call you (not over the weekend) and ask for payment of the VAT. They shouldn't ask you for any more. I got mine a few weeks ago that was the case. I noticed that the Red commercial invoice described the camera as "digital stills". That's fine by me.

Good luck. My guess is you'll have it by Tuesday.

John

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Hi! There's lots of advices and personnal stories and experiences, and searching on the forum for Taric codes is very random... Anyone, Red maybe, has a REAL list of Taric codes for the Red and components? Red must have a list of their accessories Taric codes as they export it... And they should posted in a sticky case sensitive thread as this comes up quite often and is a really touchy and costly issue... Thanks to help clarify this for a lot of us...

[Martin Weiss]

Red does have a list, and it has been published at this forum somewhere. But as I remember, those US codes do not totally correspond to the European ones, leaving some leeway for interpretation.

[AntonyCASAFilms]

Anyone, Red maybe, has a REAL list of Taric codes for the Red and components? Red must have a list of their accessories Taric codes as they export it...

I have a list of TARIC codes, which I compiled form reading these boards and a long chat with HMRC.

However, RED do NOT use the TARIC codes. Instead they use the US "Harmonized Codes" which start off with the same 4 digits, but the rest of the number is different.

I had a phone call from FedEx last night, and they said that as long as I gave them my VAT number, they would release the camera and I could pay the VAT later.

NO DUTY TO PAY!!!!!!!

An excellent result!

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Pretty cool... However, although I'll keep my fingers crossed, there's about as many stories as they are cameras, in Europe I mean...

[Stephen Webb]

Red puts the harmonised codes with the inventory that ships with your kit. FedEx will look at those codes and then match them up to whatever the corresponding TARIC is (the last four digits are different I believe).

My camera was 0% - no negotiation required.