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mentatDUKE
09-06-2008, 05:00 PM
I plan on offering a data archiving service targeting independent filmmakers. The users will put all of their data onto external hard drives, and mail them to us. We then archive everything to LTO tapes and mail everything back to the user. We plan on offering packages where the user can obtain as much redundancy as they require. They can have one set of backup tapes for their home, another set for off-site/office, and maybe a third set to give to a trusted associate for safe-keeping.

Today's fimmmaking generates gigabytes upon gigabytes of data. Now that an IT-centric workflow is the norm, it's quite easy to lose everything. Burning everything to DVD is inefficient, time consuming, and risky. Copying to hardrives is also a bit risky since moving parts are involved and the probability of failure is high. This method can also prove to be cost prohibitive.
We plan on archiving all types of data for our users. P2 data, RedCODE, Andromeda RAW takes, DV captures, and entire project assets and directories.

The user should be able to rebuild an entire project without re-capturing or re-ingesting. We'd essentially be taking a snapshot of their directory structure, including the source material and any other material generated in post such as sound, artwork, composites, etc.

What would the value of this service be to you- the community?

Here's a model:
1) The user ships their external hard drives to us via priority mail with insurance.

2) We back everything up to two sets of LTO tapes. One primary backup plus a mirror.

3) We send eveything back insured and in staggered seperate packages so as to minimize risk. For example: We send the hard drives back first. Once the user acknowledges reciept, we send them the tapes. That way, all the eggs aren't in one basket.

4) Due to the fact that many people are not in a position to reimage their data from tape after a loss, we'd include one free restoration with the service. The user would send a set of archived tapes to us along with blank external drives and we would rebuild the project for them and send it all back.

I expect shipping both ways shouldn't be too expensive, so we'd probably make the user responsible for shipping the drives to us, while we take care of shipping the drives and archive tapes back to them at no additional cost other than the initial base-cost.

What would you be willing to pay per 400GB of data to be archived?

Looking forward to hearing your responses.

Thanks.

okcomputer33
03-20-2009, 12:46 PM
what kind or archiving will you be using: LTO3 or LTO4? how do you plan on write the data onto the tape? Retrospect?, TAR?

mentatDUKE
03-20-2009, 12:57 PM
LTO3 was the plan, but it looks like most people like to roll their own solution rather than have a vendor handle it.

Thanks for asking.

C_Skaff
03-30-2009, 12:12 PM
I've been thinking hard about this for my company aswell.
Mainly what I want to do is to get data from my client. Do the grading but also supply a backup/archive service at the same time.

So a client shoot, convert for Avid/ingest to FCP, does the edit. Comes to me for grading.
After grading I give them two LTO3 tapes made in our Quantum LTO3a.

I decided to use the 3a drive cus I can tell my client that the "reader" woun't need to know what software or script I used to create it. He only needs a LTO3a-deck.
So the requrements to be able to use this Archival tape is about the same as a Digi or SR. All you need it the right kind of deck and you are good to go.

Our price (so far) is 2000SEK about 200€ for one days shoot / "backupsession" (max 200GB). For another 200GB (total 400GB one day, meaning 1 full tape) we charge another 1500SEK, 150€.

I think that might be a bit too cheep. a third of that price is actualy the cost for the tapes. And comparing 200€ for a safe archive to the alternative 2xDrives. I thinks its a bargin.

/carl

J Davis
04-17-2009, 08:43 AM
Is your LTO service off the ground yet?
I think this is a good business idea as there will be plenty of scarlet users who don't want to drop over a grand on an LTO for their yearly project.
Also – you might want to announce what city you are located in.
I am looking for someone who provides this service in NYC who can give me a quote.

mentatDUKE
04-17-2009, 10:45 AM
Not off the ground yet. Right now, it's still just an idea. My intention is to wait for the Scarlet to be released. Perhaps there will be more interest at that point. We're in Houston, but don't think being local is necessary.

gbalaji
04-17-2009, 09:08 PM
Good idea.

I'm planning to offer this service in India. Plan to use LTO-4 Tape archiving which comes around 630GB worth of data on Single Tape using Windows Backup utility since its the safest and backward compatible for future rescue and we plan not to go for compressed storage by which we store upto 1.3TB of data on single tape but the retrieval using the software provided by vendor will be a bigger question mark in future.We plan to use HP LTO-4 Tape drive with SAS interface.

If you have clients from Asia, we can offer this service part of you. Love to have suggestion from my above archiving in terms of software, hardware and archiving methods.

Thomas Mathai
04-30-2009, 12:28 PM
Good idea.

I'm planning to offer this service in India. Plan to use LTO-4 Tape archiving which comes around 630GB worth of data on Single Tape using Windows Backup utility since its the safest and backward compatible for future rescue and we plan not to go for compressed storage by which we store upto 1.3TB of data on single tape but the retrieval using the software provided by vendor will be a bigger question mark in future.We plan to use HP LTO-4 Tape drive with SAS interface.

If you have clients from Asia, we can offer this service part of you. Love to have suggestion from my above archiving in terms of software, hardware and archiving methods.


It's hard to guarantee that Windows Backup is the safest and will always be backwards compatible. We can only speculate what Windows Backup will be like in future versions. It also limits you to using Windows and leaves Linux and OS X out as options for restoring archives.

LTO-4 is 800 GB, so I don't know why you would be limited to 630 GB, unless it's a Windows Backup issue. I would expect to archive up to at least 780GB before filling up a tape.

Chris Parker
04-30-2009, 01:36 PM
i had heard from someone at NAB that depending on the software you use to manage your LTO4 tape contents, you can lose a lot space. i heard that BRU software ends up taking a lot of the room on the tape, meaning maybe you can only fit 630GB of the 'client's' data on the tape. Correct me if I am wrong someone (BRUmeister included please).

What about the 4A deck from Cache-A???