RAW port - High Speed port

[Andrew M.]

I just searched the forum with the RAW port and High Speed port keyword and nothing recent comes up. Did anybody ask any questions during the NAB about it?
What hardware we will use to record the RAW data?
What interface is it?
Can we convert full Misterium resolution 4.9K including safe and not safe area to 4K RGB in REDCINE once we capture data via RED RAW port?

Andrew

[Jeff Kilgroe]

A lot we still don't know...

Looks like it's 10G Ethernet over single-mode fiber. We'll need a RAID capable of a sustained 1GB/sec, but actual connectivity and workflow haven't been discussed.

Whatever output comes from the camera will be convertible to REDCODE RAW and REDCODE RGB or any other desired format in REDCINE, supposedly even the 4.5K s35 (2540p) size.

We're all still waiting on the nitty gritty details.

[Andrew M.]

Thanks! What is the actual horizontal pixel count of Misterium including safe and not safe area?

Is it 12642000 elements, 4900 (h) x 2580 (v) ?

[Graeme Nattress]

Chip is 4900x2580, but active image area is 4520x2540.

Graeme

[Andrew M.]

Chip is 4900x2580, but active image area is 4520x2540.

Graeme

Thanks! Graeme.
When getting the RAW via RAW port are we getting all 4900 pixels or just 4520?

[Graeme Nattress]

That's too be determined, but it's probably just active area.

Graeme

[Andrew M.]

That's too be determined, but it's probably just active area.

Graeme


Would be nice to have these extra pixels if speed of the 10GB/sec will allow for it.

[Graeme Nattress]

Understood.

Graeme

[Brook Willard]

As I understand it, only the active area will be usable. The "extra" area is saved for various calibration functions. I suppose Graeme or Stuart would know better than I.

[Graeme Nattress]

Yup, some of the non-active area is for calibration purposes. But, I don't think the hardware in camera is designed to read more than the active area out elsewhere.

Graeme

[Andrew M.]

Someone mentioned before that only 50 rows or columns are used for calibration. I think Graeme comment that camera hardware is not designed to grab all pixels and send it to the RAW port may be the obstacle.
Though all but these 50 lines are sent to the EVF I understand?
Andrew

[Brook Willard]

No: The EVF only sees 4520x2540. That's your "Look Around" area.

[Mike Prevette]

The calibration pixels he's referring to are usually physically blacked out with a baffle so the camera can check its "absolute" black level. Heat and static electricity change the charge the sensor sends to the a/d system so it needs some physically blacked out, yet active pixels to calibrate too. There would be no advantage to sending them out.

_mike

[Stuart English]

The RAW port supports 4520 x 2540 pixels at 12 bits per pixel at up to 60fps. The signal formatting used is pretty standard 10GigEthernet packets, and a high throughput DDR like device is required to record the data. Specifically Codex have committed to the development of a complimentary optical input port.

More news on this later.

[Stephen Gentle]

I don't see the point of getting a RAW port unless you want to shoot high frame rates (eg 120fps @ 2K)... REDCODE is fine for almost anything else.

[Greg M]

Could this be a option for the Red Port:

http://www.1beyond.com/pdf/HD%20D2D-Max%20FINAL.pdf

[david farland]

no,
not for the raw port as it doesn't do raw or 10gigE fibre.

It may be fine for the uncompressed rgb/yuv hd-sdi port though.

The only advantage is it's still 'tape' based & takes rgb uncompressed, but even then we don't know if that'll have any advantage over Red RGB.

DF

[Greg M]

actually it does have a 10gigE port, I saw it at NAB

[Cam Crowley]

Hi all. One thing I need a clarification on:
Is it possible to shoot 120fps at 720p using the RedDrive or can this only be achieved using the RAW port and/or RED RAM?

Much appreciated if somebody in the know can answer this.

Thanks

Cam

[david farland]

You say it has a 1.2 GByte /sec port.

Does it do 2K/4K raw uncompressed?

Has it got a disk array to match?

I only looking at the spec sheet,

DF

[david farland]

Hi all. One thing I need a clarification on:
Is it possible to shoot 120fps at 720p using the RedDrive or can this only be achieved using the RAW port and/or RED RAM?

Much appreciated if somebody in the know can answer this.

Thanks

Cam

Yes, on RedDrive/ Ram /Flash at windowed s16mm, look here (http://www.red.com/formatoptions.shtml)

Althought RED rgb is still under construction.

Cheers

[Cam Crowley]

Thanks David.
Saw a few different opinions being floated about re: 120fps recording and thought I might need to find more cash for a RAW port. Thankfully not (yet anyway)!

[Stuart English]

It will be possible to record 720p at 120fps using REDCODE and a RED-DRIVE.

2K requires the RAW port.

[Cam Crowley]

It will be possible to record 720p at 120fps using REDCODE and a RED-DRIVE.

2K requires the RAW port.

Thanks Stuart.

Is there a likelyhood that in the future 2K at 120fps may be possible to record to the REDRAM or is this always going to be done via the RAW port?

Thanks

Cam

[Brook Willard]

no,
not for the raw port as it doesn't do raw or 10gigE fibre.

Wrong. RAW data port is 10gigE based.


You say it has a 1.2 GByte /sec port.
There we go...



Does it do 2K/4K raw uncompressed?

4.5K uncompressed RAW to 60p, 2K uncompressed RAW to 120p.


Has it got a disk array to match?

Give them time... they're working on it. I'm sure Stuart can comment.



I only looking at the spec sheet,

As soon as the forums calm down a little and I get my own work under control, I'll update my FAQ to encompass all of these little things.

[Ace]

As soon as the forums calm down a little and I get my own work under control...

Reduser + Own Work = Ha!

Reminds me.. gotta get back to it..

[david farland]

Could this be a option for the Red Port:

http://www.1beyond.com/pdf/HD%20D2D-Max%20FINAL.pdf




You say it has a 1.2 GByte /sec port.

Does it do 2K/4K raw uncompressed?

Has it got a disk array to match?

I only looking at the spec sheet,

DF



Wrong. RAW data port is 10gigE based.
.......
Give them time... they're working on it. I'm sure Stuart can comment.
......
etc,


Brook,

I'm talking about the 1 Beyond Data Recorder NOT the RED camera!


Cheers,


PS: jeeeeeez......I saw you had 2478 users today....Good luck dude!!!

[Brook Willard]

Thanks for clarifying, my mistake on that section of my post.

Yeah, lots of users... lots of posts!

[Cam McGrath]

Thanks Stuart.

Is there a likelyhood that in the future 2K at 120fps may be possible to record to the REDRAM or is this always going to be done via the RAW port?

Thanks

Cam

Was wondering this myself...2K@120fps to RAM/Flash and not out of the RAW port.