CS4 rumors

[Frank Weeks]

I just received an e-mail from a friend.

"From Adobe . . . RED R3D and AVCHD join Panasonic P2 and Sony XDCAM EX and HD as camera formats that are supported by Adobe Creative Suite software applications, with no transcoding or rewrapping.

Hmm."

Anyone heard this? I hope it is accurate. If this is old news, forgive me.

[Matthew Rogers]

I just talked you out of Premiere into Final Cut earlier this year didn't I?....oops! Once Color and FCP fully support R3D files, it will rock.

Matthew

[Frank Weeks]

I just talked you out of Premiere into Final Cut earlier this year didn't I?....oops! Once Color and FCP fully support R3D files, it will rock.

Matthew

Nice hearing from you Matthew

You did encourage me to go with the Mac pro and FCP. I like the whole studio. I bought CS3 for AE and PS. Then the word came out about R3d native support.
I look forward to the plug-in being released. Just one more option in the Red workflow.

I hope (and believe)you are correct about the new FC. My only question is ...when? Soon I hope.

Hope all is well with you and your family. Time are good and getting better.

[Gunleik Groven]

But when is that? :)

Mark hints sorta @ just before the Adobe plug is released.

But apple has kept quit on the ProApp front for a while

[Frank Weeks]

But when is that?

Good question Gunleik
My guess is "next week"

[M.Halsell]

I confess, I also doubted Adobe's zeal in favor of Final Cut. But it does seem that Adobe is currently keeping it's eye on the ball. Perhaps after Apple meets their need to save the world with 'music', they may hopefully turn attention back to enhancing the ProApps.

[Tom Lowe]

"In Adobe We Trust."

[Stephen Gentle]

I just received an e-mail from a friend.

"From Adobe . . . RED R3D and AVCHD join Panasonic P2 and Sony XDCAM EX and HD as camera formats that are supported by Adobe Creative Suite software applications, with no transcoding or rewrapping.

Hmm."

Anyone heard this? I hope it is accurate. If this is old news, forgive me.

Redcode support would be great - as would better EX footage handling in After Effects... I shot a short film on an EX3, and it was a breeze to edit in Premiere (easily as fast as DV), but in After Effects, it would crash if you looked at more than five clips - as in you could scrub over a few clips, but as soon as it tried to render a frame of the fifth or sixth it would immediately lock up... That, and when it didn't crash, you'd get a pair of black frames every four or five seconds... Those didn't show up when you rendered though (thankfully), unless you put any effects or masks on the clip - so a lot of transcoding was needed.

Hopefully CS4 will have flawless REDCODE and EX support right out of the box!

[Lucas Wilson]

...But it does seem that Adobe is currently keeping it's eye on the ball.

Yes. Yes, they are.

Ted (from RED), and I will be presenting at the Adobe stand at IBC every day at 11:30. For those of you that are in Amsterdam, you should come see it. ;)

Lucas
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LA, CA, USA

[Mark L. Pederson]

But apple has kept quit on the ProApp front for a while

They are hard at work.

[michael zaletel]

It's like Apple has gone silent on Pro Apps. Too many shiny little toys to play with over there. Doh!

-shooter

[alex trettenero]

i heard rumors about r3d files playing realtime on iphones...

[Joe Carney]

According to the UK based DigitalArts online version, the new AE CS4 will include an AE specific version of Imagineers' mocha tracking software. it just keeps getting better and better.

http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/index.cfm?email&NewsID=11364

[pjletofsky]

from the Adobe PPro Forum (from IBC)

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?7@@.59b67428/30

Here is the news as I got it from one of the technicians and beta testers at the IBC, who showed some interesting things on the current beta version.

1. The RTM version is not ready yet. It will definitely be this year, but it will not be out in September. Most likely is around November and not all promised features will be available in the 4.0 version, but will be supplied by downloadable patches.

2. Interlacing/de-interlacing has not been solved. It is still the archaic approach from the '70-s era.

3. Vista 64 is officially supported, XP 64 is not officially supported, but runs without problems. Several beta testers have not seen any problems with XP-64. All applications are still 32 bit applications, apart from PS Extended, which is 64 bit. Parts of the memory model are ported to 64 bit. The first steps to porting all applications to 64 bit have been taken, but do not expect full support before CS5.

4. The major improvement has been in the project structure. Every project now has its own information about drive, directory and file structure as part of the project. Files in the project can have different properties in terms of resolution, i or p, so effectively this makes for Edius like capabilities, allowing for different sources in a single project, XDCAM-EX, HDV, AVCHD, P2 sources can be mixed and edited on the same timeline. You can move i material to a p timeline and edit from there.

5. Adobe Media Encoder is now a separate application.

6. Dynamic Linking has been improved significantly and encompasses AE, PP, EN in all directions.

7. Batch processing has been added. You can now add timelines to a render cue and continue editing on the same timeline and there seems to be some intelligence behind it as well.

8. OMF has been vastly improved.

9. The garbage matte problems have been solved.

10. Ultra is still a stand-alone application.

11. Improvements have been made to Encore, whether that includes closing the DVD was not really known.

12. Edit in Audition has been restored.

13. AVCHD is supported, RED support will be added (possibly even for CS3). Note that even on a 4-core MAC the editing experience with AVCHD is tiresome and horrendously slow. You may succeed in editing that kind of material, but only with 8-cores. Otherwise it is like editing HDV on a P4 @ 2.8 GHz with a single disk. It can be done, but it is not a pleasure. The CPU requirements are enormous and IMO most will be heavily disappointed that they need to upgrade their PC before any serious editing can be done, despite all the warnings given.

14. The titler has not been improved, but the strange windows problems (resizing) have been solved.

15. Dependency on Red, MainConcept and others make the delivery dates unsure, but it will take some time and new patches are already being worked on.

16. Adobe at IBC has only beta versions.

17. One member here (I will not mention names) is probably the best beta tester Adobe has ever had and this person beats all other beta testers by a wide margin in finding bugs. Thanks for all your continued trouble, NN. You will know who I mean if you are the person in question. One of your colleague beta testers was in awe of you.

The stability and integration of the suite has been vastly improved and tons of bugs have been resolved, so from that point of view, upgrading to CS4 looks very worthwhile. Initially however, third parties have to resolve some issues with their software, like Sony with their Clip Browser, which contains a serious bug, causing PP to crash completely. These bugs need to be resolved shortly and hopefully will be addressed before the RTM version comes out.

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

2. Regarding this, I heard that it has been fixed and is coming in a patch...

[Sam Roberts]

All this will be available in the CS4 MAC version too?

[Christian Munoz D]

All this will be available in the CS4 MAC version too?

Good question!!!

[Gian Joon]

Will CS4 be ready for purchase straight after unwailing or at some other time.

[MikeHedge]

thanks for the update. anyone want to build matching vista 64bit machines with me? I would start with the nVidia 8800 gtx. I have the Dell 24in 2407 monitors. which mother board? which Ram?

[Frank Weeks]

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QUOTE=pjletofsky;286041]from the Adobe PPro Forum (from IBC)

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?7@@.59b67428/30

Here is the news as I got it from one of the technicians and beta testers at the IBC, who showed some interesting things on the current beta version.

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Thanks for the details

The upcoming "official release" should be interesting. Your comments sound dead on.