RED.com

[Tony Lorentzen]

When will RED.com be updated with new pictures / renders of the RED camera?

[Jannard]

soon...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I would hazard a guess that some updates will come on the 21st... When they re-open the reservations.

[Laco Zamba]

Updated now :)

[Nick Shaw]

Ah yes. The photo gallery is a lot more detailed, and has images where you can see where a lot of the connectors are, and make reasonable guesses at what a lot of them do.

Nick

[Nick Shaw]

I can see five mini XLR connectors on the right. I'm guessing 4 channel audio plus time-code in, although then I don't know where the time-code out is.

Nick

[Ruairi Robinson]

soon...

Hey Jim, it's a little misleading to show 3D renders in a "photo tour" isn't it?

If they are renders, I'd suggest you label them as such...

R.

[Jarred Land]

I can see five mini XLR connectors on the right. I'm guessing 4 channel audio plus time-code in, although then I don't know where the time-code out is.

Nick

4 channel inputs, one mixed output :)

look at the other port for TC in and out.

[Nick Shaw]

4 channel inputs, one mixed output :)

Thanks Jarred. I was confused by the gender of the XLRs all being the same, so I assumed they were all inputs. Probably reading far too much into things! I know the renders are always just representative, but they're just getting so tantalisingly close to the real thing.

Nick

[Jarred Land]

Hey Jim, it's a little misleading to show 3D renders in a "photo tour" isn't it?

R.

smart ass.

[Ruairi Robinson]

smart ass.

...err... Ok, why not just post images shot on a Genesis, if it doesn't matter at all if the details on the website are accurate or not.

NOW I'm being a smartass :P

[Akcelik]

hay Jannard!!.. how about a viewfinder to your Oakley sunny range? huh.. someone tell me why this might be a bad idea so i can stop making a fool of myself.

[Erik Rangel]

What are the odds a thread is started about the updating of red's website a few minutes before it actually is updated? You guys are tricky.
I love the new renders by the way.
Thanks

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Updated now :)

Jim wansn't kidding when he said "soon..." Hehe...


Oh, wait a minute... I could swear those renders were there a day or two ago. What am I missing?

[Scott Webster]

The Red booth staff are going to have long days at NAB.

You can reconfigure the camera like this...
Or
like this...
Or
like this...
Or
like this...
Or
like this...

And did I mention the lens mounts?

[Vincent Rice]

The pictures are great! It looks like a healthy ecosystem of clamps and widgets has been finalised. It's going to be excellent displacement activity playing with all the possible configurations.

[Brook Willard]

Thanks for all the new renders, guys. I'm particularly liking the resolution - I can actually see all the details and answer all of my past questions regarding mounting points. It's also nice to finally see the EVF from the other side [to see how it mounts].

[Billy Summers]

SO F'ING EXCITING!

It looks amazing, and it feels like we're all a PART of something, part of "the evolution".

Into IT, before IT even exists (in the marketplace anyway).WOW, that's good...

Nice work Boys!

[Thom Steinhoff]

Jim, The contrast from what you are providing in the way of photos and access compared to any other company is groundbreaking.

Guys, if this were any other consumer products company, with a product this hot and this talked about (apple comes to mind) at this point in the development cycle the only photos we would be able to see would be blurry, shakey pictures taken with a cell phone of a fake.

What Jim and the Red team is giving the world in the way of access not only jumps several generations over everyone else right out of the gate--I think their openness and the feedback loop they've created allowed them to jump several generations of their own product right before our eyes.

Love the photos, love the high resolution that only leaves to the imagination the function and feature of each button and port.

Keep up the amazing work and I am counting the days when I can get my hands on #516!!!

Best Regards,

Thom

[Alex Boothby]

It's also nice to finally see the EVF from the other side [to see how it mounts].

You're much sharper than I am Brook - the mechanics of the EVF mount is the one thing I couldn't quite figure out. Oh well, all in good time,

First point - these are wonderful renders and communicate an enormous amount to us addicts. I've been drooling over them for over an hour. I think the design is a work of art - pure and simple. I was working on some Budweiser Super Bowl ads today and showed Red.com to a top Anheuser-Busch marketing heavyweight. and he immediately said "holy shit, that looks fucking cool!" and began forwarding it all over the place. Red makes quite a first impression. Kudos to Jim and his design partner for persevering.

From the standpoint of aesthetics, i wouldn't change one bolt. I hope the battle is now focused squarely on making Red-one functional, robust and operationally flawless - and if that means now covering the body with twenty more vents, so be it.

I have a few tiny comments / questions:

1.) Will the shoulder mount be able to slide forward for balance?

2.) Can the EVF be mounted further forward (for the obvious reasons)?

3.) Can't help myself - could the funky 'top hat' that sits above the camera have one additional mounting point just in front of the handle mount? This would be very handy for EVF, mic mount, etc. And yes, this will ruin the lovely symmetry and look stupid.... but....

4.) Quirky idea - I was just checking out a dbeta deck and had a thought. Would it be crazy to offer a "key inhibit" switch to prevent accidentally bumping buttons during filming? I've never seen this on a camera, but I think it would be very useful.

Thanks Red team - you deserve, uh... sleep.

[Andrew Benz]

4.) Quirky idea - I was just checking out a dbeta deck and had a thought. Would it be crazy to offer a "key inhibit" switch to prevent accidentally bumping buttons during filming? I've never seen this on a camera, but I think it would be very useful.


I was thinking the same thing. It is a feature that I could use during handheld work when I have to cradle the camera or work in confined spaces. Thanks guys for the renders. Really does help us out with the possible physical uses of the camera.

[Jason Francois]

Good god, there are so many options that are going to be possible.

I'm so glad my wife is letting me sell our house, because this is going to get addictive (read:expensive).

Damn you Jim Jannard and God bless you at the same time. :)

[Alex Boothby]

I was thinking the same thing.

I like the way you think Andrew! :)

[Alex Boothby]

It is a feature that I could use during handheld work when I have to cradle the camera or work in confined spaces .

For this reason it would really be better as an accessible switch rather than a menu setting, so that you could activate it immediately after hitting RECORD. See any dbeta deck for reference. I'd imagine you would always leave 'key inhibit' on except for when you are changing camera settings - like the safety on a gun. This would prevent accidental recording between takes, which I seem to be an expert at. :(

[Finner]

4.) Quirky idea - I was just checking out a dbeta deck and had a thought. Would it be crazy to offer a "key inhibit" switch to prevent accidentally bumping buttons during filming? I've never seen this on a camera, but I think it would be very useful.


A "button Lock" would be great. The have them on ARRI cameras and keep a person out of a lot of trouble.

[Andrew Benz]

For this reason it would really be better as an accessible switch rather than a menu setting, so that you could activate it immediately after hitting RECORD. See any dbeta deck for reference. I'd imagine you would always leave 'key inhibit' on except for when you are changing camera settings - like the safety on a gun. This would prevent accidental recording between takes, which I seem to be an expert at. :(
Alex, key inhibit sounds great (-like a safety on a gun-- nice association:D ). At one point or another all active shooters have known the "double clutch". I think though with the "as yet to be revealed feature sets" will be a very intuitive way of letting us know when the camera is in run or not.

Have a good one Alex!:)

[Brook Willard]

1.) Will the shoulder mount be able to slide forward for balance?
Yes, the shoulder pad slides in its dovetail. You'll notice that every picture that shows the lower rail is only of the left side of the camera. The right side is where the slide lock is [or so I've drawn from previous discussion].


2.) Can the EVF be mounted further forward (for the obvious reasons)?
I expect so... it looks like there's some sort of sliding apparatus built into the EVF mount [I am probably wrong here].


3.) Can't help myself - could the funky 'top hat' that sits above the camera have one additional mounting point just in front of the handle mount? This would be very handy for EVF, mic mount, etc. And yes, this will ruin the lovely symmetry and look stupid.... but....The handle could be mounted one point farther back to allow for this.

[Alex Boothby]

Thanks Brook. My basic setup will be with the RED zoom, mattebox,and follow focus - all of which move the center of gravity pretty far forward. I'd imaging that you'd want the handle mounted at the center of gravity, kind of where it is presently. Also if the shoulder pad was roughly set at the center of gravity, certain physical realities (like my head) would push the EVF even further forward, effecting the balance again. All of this makes me think that a front extension on the "funky top hat" would still be ideal, particularly for mounting the EVF.

I guess one could just solve this center of gravity stuff by V-locking a bunch of batteries at the back, eh, :) ... Time to sleep....

[Damien Molineaux]

Thanks Brook. My basic setup will be with the RED zoom, mattebox,and follow focus - all of which move the center of gravity pretty far forward. I'd imaging that you'd want the handle mounted at the center of gravity, kind of where it is presently. Also if the shoulder pad was roughly set at the center of gravity, certain physical realities (like my head) would push the EVF even further forward, effecting the balance again. All of this makes me think that a front extension on the "funky top hat" would still be ideal, particularly for mounting the EVF.

I guess one could just solve this center of gravity stuff by V-locking a bunch of batteries at the back, eh, :) ... Time to sleep....

I would think to keep the camera tight (short) and balanced the EVF will indeed need to be placed forwards. Maybe the solution is a short rod on top on the EVF side to attach it to. Which brings me to a question I asked Jim at IBC. I'm a left eye shooter, and like with some Arri 16mm cams, I want to be able to place the EVF on the right side of the camera. I was told this would not be a problem. My worry is, seeing the camera close to being finalized, won't there be too many cables on the right side of the camera for it to fit on someone's left shoulder ? (I hope not). I like to keep my other eye open and would prefer not to have the camera in front of me.

Cheers,
Damien

[Tony Lorentzen]

Brain-sync! I guess you were already working on updating the website as I posted :-)

Thanks for the pictures. Love 'em!

[ericyoung]

For this reason it would really be better as an accessible switch rather than a menu setting, so that you could activate it immediately after hitting RECORD. See any dbeta deck for reference. I'd imagine you would always leave 'key inhibit' on except for when you are changing camera settings - like the safety on a gun. This would prevent accidental recording between takes, which I seem to be an expert at. :(

Another nice feature on the full edit DigiBeta decks is that on the push buttons, you can actually assign which buttons are inhibited by the key inhibit switch. So if there's a button you want to keep live, you can!