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I Bloom

09-22-2008, 09:16 PM

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/09/22/bad-signs-blu-ray-free-discs-cheap-players-and-declining-market-share

Carpe Diem Jim!

IBloom

Mark L. Pederson

09-23-2008, 07:38 AM

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/09/22/bad-signs-blu-ray-free-discs-cheap-players-and-declining-market-share

Carpe Diem Jim!

IBloom

I ALMOST feel bad for Sony.

FYI - not exactly related - but I have been polling producers and companies (East coast) on what would be more exciting to them - Blu Ray dailies, DCP dailies, SD dailies or m4v iPhone dailies.

Overwhelming response was:

#1: iPhones dailies
#2: DCP dailies - IF they could have a cheap server solution
#3: SD dailies

and LAST was Blu Ray dailies

Shawn Nelson

09-23-2008, 07:59 AM

Mark, what about h264 720p dailies to an iTV solution? I forget the fellow's name who spoke at the Reduser party (the guy from NZ I think, Red in the 20s somewhere) who said that was his method.

Jason Diamond

09-23-2008, 09:49 AM

Yes, at Walden Media they make iphone/ipod touch dailies for delivery. works great

Christopher Grant Harvey

09-23-2008, 09:55 AM

iphone/ipod dailes seems silly to me.

Might as well not bother looking at dailies...

Charles Angus

09-23-2008, 10:04 AM

iphone/ipod dailes seems silly to me.

Might as well not bother looking at dailies...

ditto

Jason Diamond

09-23-2008, 10:25 AM

well its for producers and other execs maybe not looking for the same issues as a director but for performance and to know they got what they need.

Mark L. Pederson

09-23-2008, 11:04 AM

well its for producers and other execs maybe not looking for the same issues as a director but for performance and to know they got what they need.

exactly.

Christopher Grant Harvey

09-23-2008, 11:58 AM

well its for producers and other execs maybe not looking for the same issues as a director but for performance and to know they got what they need.

Fair enough. But on a such a small screen? I suppose I hate the iphone and viewing video on anything smaller than a 7" LCD anyway so it does not matter.

Florian Stadler

09-23-2008, 12:06 PM

David Lynch's take:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0

Chris Kenny

09-23-2008, 02:17 PM

This is unsurprising and doesn't necessarily mean very much. It took DVD something like seven years to overtake VHS, and that's considered one of the most successful consumer format adoptions ever. Blu-ray sales are off a bit at the moment because early adopters have mostly already bought in, but mainstream adoption hasn't started to seriously ramp up yet. It could still be another year or three before that starts to happen seriously, and that wouldn't really constitute failure.

Now, there is some danger here, for the format. If Blu-ray takes as long to become mainstream as DVD did, that would have it accounting for a majority of sales and rentals in around 2013. It's not impossible that electronic distribution will the dominant force in the market by then, and nobody will really care about disc formats.

But one can't say, at least so far, that poor Blu-ray sales mean people are perfectly happy to stay with DVD. One could have as easily said in 1998 or 1999 that poor DVD sales demonstrated everyone was perfectly happy with VHS....

Jason Diamond

09-23-2008, 02:42 PM

also iphone/ipod touch files can't really be broadcast but blu-ray dailies run the risk of being stolen or lost and leaked in many ways/formats even with watermarks etc...

Noah Kadner

09-23-2008, 02:48 PM

David Lynch's take:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0

Now that's what I'm talking about! (As I watch the message on Youtube.) Oh well. :) BTW I want to point out- David doesn't skimp on audio- really nice mic in that clip.

-Noah

Alex.Mitchell

09-23-2008, 03:35 PM

David Lynch's take:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0

*sigh*

Look, I understand that we all want our audiences to see the best versions of our films in a venue that let's them feel the full effect of our work. That said, he shot Inland Empire on a PD150. I'm not losing jack by watching it on an iPhone. Personally, I think he's just being pretentious.

Jeff Kilgroe

09-23-2008, 06:00 PM

I don't think all the gloom and doom means much at this point. DVD had its share of growing pains in the first couple years too. Magazines and stores giving away free movies, etc.. So called "experts" predicting its demise.

...I don't feel bad for Sony. When I walk into Wal-Mart or Target and see the average Blu-Ray movie is $30, some as much as $34 and the "bargain" ones are $24, it's no wonder the sales are not picking up. WTF... Sony "wins" the format war and what do they do? raise prices? ...whatever.

Matt Newcomb

12-03-2008, 10:12 AM

also iphone/ipod touch files can't really be broadcast but blu-ray dailies run the risk of being stolen or lost and leaked in many ways/formats even with watermarks etc...

Are you serious? You're talking about a device that has access to wi-fi and cell phone networks and you think that is more secure than a physical medium?

For someone on the go, I think the iPhone dailies are better than not getting a chance to watch them at all. I hope no serious director would base his decisions on that, but I do think small screens have their place.

Kevin Wild

12-03-2008, 10:56 AM

Bought a SONY 46" LCD this past weekend and they GAVE me a Blueray player with it. I have a feeling it will be collecting dust.

We do a lot of corporate work and have not ONCE been asked for a Blueray disk yet. Since we edit everything in HD, it's painful how we still have to deliver SD. The quicker we can get over to HD, the better.

For home based stuff, I'm a huge fan of the AppleTV. No reason to go out and rent, if I can do it from home...

Darren Orange

12-03-2008, 01:13 PM

Better to go the XBOX 360 or PS3 route. You can get 1080P out of that.

Aiden Cornwell

12-03-2008, 01:17 PM

well it is just the past few months that Bluray has gotten to the $250-$200 sweet spot. I am looking into one but not until the spring unless some great boxing day sales happen

jamesbridges

12-06-2008, 04:00 AM

I just purchased the Panasonic BDP-55 Blu-ray player and the video looks amazing.
SD DVD up-conversion is OK.
We delivered a multi-cam HD project daily to a client (5 cameras w/TC window in the center) and they were blown away by the clarity (even with 5 16x9 video sources on the screen).
What I do not understand is why Apple is not supporting Blu-Ray in their DVD-Studio program, I believe they are a (or were) part of the Blu-Ray manufacturers group.

Michael Lindsay

12-06-2008, 04:31 AM

*sigh*
...he shot Inland Empire on a PD150. I'm not losing jack by watching it on an iPhone. Personally, I think he's just being pretentious.

I suspect he just loves cinema.

As I suspect you know scale and resolution are not the same thing. If you watch a low rez film on a small screen it will not feel oppressively murky for example.

Pixelvision work dealt with a resolution of less than 100 by just over 100. This has nothing to do with best presentation.

As for Blueray? It is a difficult sell. Especially as, at the moment, the content offered seems to be primarily targeted at mid 20s playstation owners.

I watched No Country for Old Men on Blueray yesterday using a well set-up Pioneer Kuro 1080p screen and saw much that I didn't see at the cinema. Not completely sure what to make of that... but the case for working with Master Primes for that film was very strong.

regards

Michael Lindsay

Stephen Gentle

12-08-2008, 12:09 AM

Blu-Ray is quite irritating - it's quite a nice format, and the players are almost at acceptable prices, but the movies are just stupidly expensive... They're usually about one and a half to two times as much (and sometimes even more) expensive than DVDs!

Seriously, if they were selling Blu-Ray for the same price (or at least only slightly more) than DVDs, the marketshare would jump up massively.

Sanjin Jukic

12-08-2008, 12:23 AM

Here in Austria the new DVD release costs about 24.95 Euro and the same in Blu-Ray 29.95.

It's 5 Euro more.

I've got Kubrick BR collection and Godfather BR set set, Antonioni's Red Dessert and Shine a Light by Stones/Scorsese on Blu-Ray.

Definitely Blur-Ray wins over DVD quality and it's like a real theater cinema,

even more because you are at home, you can adjust your picture, etc....

Uli Plank

12-08-2008, 12:38 AM

Same here, I just found "Baraka" on BluRay for 20 € including shipping on Ebay. And watching it on my wall sized screen with a calibrated Panasonic PT2000 and a decent surround sound by Denon and Heco is very close to the experience in a good theatre.

But then I'm a cinephile, and the success of BluRay needs to be carried by the masses. Will they? Or is Apple TV and other online offers it's death?

Plus, my collection of a few hundred DVDs in SD still looks quite good on it when upscaled by a PS3…

BTW, I like your citation from Godard!

Sanjin Jukic

12-08-2008, 01:18 AM

ericyoung

12-08-2008, 04:30 AM

Are you serious? You're talking about a device that has access to wi-fi and cell phone networks and you think that is more secure than a physical medium?

For someone on the go, I think the iPhone dailies are better than not getting a chance to watch them at all. I hope no serious director would base his decisions on that, but I do think small screens have their place.

I think he meant that ipod/iphone dailies are too low resolution to be worth pirating for even SD DVD sales, but yes they aren't secure distribution systems!