RED...a viable option for space in 4K?

[casey warren]

So, sitting here watching Planet Earth, I was thinking about the possibility of RED being a viable option for recording footage of space, planets, etc. Film cameras would have the fundamental problem of having to be reloaded, but with RED, you can just store footage on hard drives, and lots of them....

I cant wait for Planet Mars, in 4K.

I am sure someone has already got a bugeted plan for traveling into space and making a documentary about our planetary system, but now with RED, they can record it like never before.

[Brook Willard]

Where's Evin with his space drill story...

[Evin Grant]

I did hear a rumor that NASA had a res. But they insisted on paying $17,500,000:w00t:

So I did a job for AOL at the Johnson Space center in Houston and got to do all sorts of cool NASA stuff including holding one of the $1M dollar microprocessor controlled drills they use to assemble the international space station. Tim Allen eat your heart out.
http://www.reduser.net/evin/drill.jpg

[Brook Willard]

So cool...

So anyway. If they make a drill for a million dollars... the testing involved in using a 4K camera would be absurd. They'd probably design their own. It'd rock, but still.

We can hope, though! :)

[casey warren]

I dont know, I think they might have got an early production model up there now..:clown2:http://homepage.mac.com/mindcastle/cam.jpg

[casey warren]

$1M dollar drill, cooool. Any other interesting things at the space center?

What did you do for the project?

[Ace]

They used stock Xl1's inside the space shuttle. Im sure RED wouldnt be a prob.

[ericyoung]

I did hear a rumor that NASA had a res. But they insisted on paying $17,500,000:w00t:
...

Ha ha - there's that old story about how Nasa spent vast sums of money inventing a ballpoint pen that worked in zero gravity, whereas the Russians...
...used a pencil! :alien:

[laguun]

to keep up the good traditions...

... they should then use angenieux, as peter jackson did as well :)

angenieux was the standard lens for most nasa missions for decades.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004SPIE.5249..261D
http://www.angenieux.com/pages/106.php?URL_Page=/pages/003.php

[Petr Dvorak]

So I did a job for AOL at the Johnson Space center in Houston and got to do all sorts of cool NASA stuff including holding one of the $1M dollar microprocessor controlled drills they use to assemble the international space station. Tim Allen eat your heart out.
http://www.reduser.net/evin/drill.jpg

I just love this tool, there are only few of them, like 10 or so.

[Petr Dvorak]

Tahnx Casey I watch this area for few years and really I can´t wait to see 4K shots from space (Earth, EVA spacewalks...)

Red with its solid state recording devices, minimal size and max resolution will be best solution fro use in space.

NASA in "Comparative Study of HDTV and NTSC Imagery, from 1999" during STS-93 flight tested how HDTV can dramatically improove image quality. Its very very important especially now after last Shuttle disaster when they are obssesed with surveillance of everything aroun flight in best possible resolution.
http://earth.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/ISAG_HDTV_NTSC/

Footage from Shuttle fligt was my first HDTV experience. It was shot with Sony and Pana camcoders and later used in IMAX flick Space Station. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/background/facts/dreamtime.html

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/28/0fc3a2279032.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/0fc3a2279032)

and you can download it here (allways take biggest file, its in 720p)
http://www.archive.org/details/nrl
http://ia300140.us.archive.org/2/items/abc/
http://www.archive.org/details/shuttle
http://www.archive.org/details/endevour

or at u can get them all + Dreamtime footage http://www.snarf-it.org/viewTorrent/619155-NASA+HDTV.html

And as was mentioned in first HDTV live broadcast from ISS at Discovery channel they can use HD video like tool for measuring.
I saw they use some Z1 on ISS

... NASA test and destroy like 3 - 5 units before lets them go up there :D

[Jeremy Hughes]

They'll take IMAX up there and scan it at 4K.

Links to RED and Space related threads on other websites:

"Red in space?" (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=71753) at DVXuser by homersapien
"Red in Space" (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=67905) at DVinfo.net by Mike Tesh

[Petr Dvorak]

They'll take IMAX up there and scan it at 4K.


Really, they lifted that huge clumsy monster in to the space? Do you have proof of it? Some foto? I couldn´t find any documents about it.

[Jeremy Hughes]

Really, they lifted that huge clumsy monster in to the space? Do you have proof of it? Some foto? I couldn´t find any documents about it.

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-32/sts-32-press-kit.txt

It was stored in the Middeck and weighed 274 pounds. On mission STS-32. It was used on various missions though .

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/mirrors/images/images/pao/STS41C/10061443.jpg

Here's an astronaut on STS-41 that can actually lift an IMAX camera. Since he's in space.

[Evin Grant]

Leroy Chow, who I worked with on the AOL job was one of the crew members on the ISS when the IMAX film was shot. I had alot of fun picking his brain.
Real F&%$#@* smart guy!
http://www.reduser.net/evin/LeroyNme.jpg
As far as other cool stuff I got to land the Shuttle flight simulator! And not the dorky tourist one the real one they train on that actually inverts you and shakes like the dickens. Soooooo fun!
http://www.reduser.net/evin/Spaceme.jpg
http://www.reduser.net/evin/sim.jpg

[Brook Willard]

Oh geez... you told me about it, but the picture is so much better...

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Unlikely. I believe all space bound equipment has to go through grueling testing even laptops. It might make it eventually but it probably wouldn't be for a few years until they're done making absolutely sure the thing isn't going to catch on fire or do something crazy.

[Emery Wells]

Not entirely accurate. There have been plenty of consumer and professional HD cameras in the international space station.

Red in space may come sooner than anyone expects :-)

[casey warren]

Tahnx Casey I watch this area for few years and really I can´t wait to see 4K shots from space (Earth, EVA spacewalks...)

Red with its solid state recording devices, minimal size and max resolution will be best solution fro use in space.

NASA in "Comparative Study of HDTV and NTSC Imagery, from 1999" during STS-93 flight tested how HDTV can dramatically improove image quality. Its very very important especially now after last Shuttle disaster when they are obssesed with surveillance of everything aroun flight in best possible resolution.
http://earth.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/ISAG_HDTV_NTSC/

Footage from Shuttle fligt was my first HDTV experience. It was shot with Sony and Pana camcoders and later used in IMAX flick Space Station. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/background/facts/dreamtime.html

http://thumbnails.freeimagehost.eu/28/0fc3a2279032.gif (http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/0fc3a2279032)

and you can download it here (allways take biggest file, its in 720p)
http://www.archive.org/details/nrl
http://ia300140.us.archive.org/2/items/abc/
http://www.archive.org/details/shuttle
http://www.archive.org/details/endevour

or at u can get them all + Dreamtime footage http://www.snarf-it.org/viewTorrent/619155-NASA+HDTV.html

And as was mentioned in first HDTV live broadcast from ISS at Discovery channel they can use HD video like tool for measuring.
I saw they use some Z1 on ISS

... NASA test and destroy like 3 - 5 units before lets them go up there :D


Wow, thanks for all the great links!

Cheers,

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Ha ha - there's that old story about how Nasa spent vast sums of money inventing a ballpoint pen that worked in zero gravity, whereas the Russians...
...used a pencil! :alien:


That story is so dumb... And not true. NASA used pencils as well in the beginning. The Fisher Sapce Pen was the first to win NASA's purchasing approval when Paul Fisher approached NASA with the product. The pen initially sold to NASA for $6 each and both Fisher and NASA made more money through the '70s and '80s off the pen by selling them in NASA gift shops. :)

[Petr Dvorak]

Wow, thanks for all the great links!

Cheers,

You are welcome Warren,
... no big deal, just couple years of research :biggrin:

[kmikami]

That story is so dumb... And not true.

Not only that but apparently regular ballpoint pens do work! :)

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM9YN7O0MD_index_0.html

[Petr Dvorak]

Leroy Chow, who I worked with on the AOL job was one of the crew members on the ISS when the IMAX film was shot. I had alot of fun picking his brain.
Real F&%$#@* smart guy!
http://www.reduser.net/evin/LeroyNme.jpg
As far as other cool stuff I got to land the Shuttle flight simulator! And not the dorky tourist one the real one they train on that actually inverts you and shakes like the dickens. Soooooo fun!
http://www.reduser.net/evin/Spaceme.jpg
http://www.reduser.net/evin/sim.jpg



Wow Evin thanx! You are such a lucky one....

[casey warren]

those are great photos. I've heard the flight simulator is amazing! lucky

[Clint Johnson]

That story is so dumb... And not true. NASA used pencils as well in the beginning. The Fisher Sapce Pen was the first to win NASA's purchasing approval when Paul Fisher approached NASA with the product. The pen initially sold to NASA for $6 each and both Fisher and NASA made more money through the '70s and '80s off the pen by selling them in NASA gift shops. :)

There is also a valid reason for not wanting to use pencils... you don't really want any loose bits of conductive graphite floating around shorting things out. That said, you so want a sealed and pressurized pen that won't be leaking ink about the cabin. Most pens are gravity fed and open on one end, which doesn't work so great in a microgravity environment.

And if anyone is willing to pony up for the ticket, I'll take my camera up on the first available Virgin Galactic flight.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

And if anyone is willing to pony up for the ticket, I'll take my camera up on the first available Virgin Galactic flight.

I'll go too... I'd love to take RED into space. The moon would be great too... Maybe even Mars someday, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. At the rate the US space program is moving these days, I'll be an old geezer before a manned Mars mission actually comes about.

[casey warren]

I say REDUSER field trip....shoot space in 4K, in grainless digital clarity....now, how can we convince the RED team to build a space shuttle....

[Dennis Guskov]

ooh, ooh, ooh... they could call it "RED Shuttle"!
I'll even put down a $1000 with my reservation.

[Clint Johnson]

The Red camera on the Red planet... I'm up for a mission to Mars.

And don't count on the government to open space. There is one single reason that there are a lot of great engineers at NASA and that is because it has been the only game in town. With the private space programs heating up, that is where the best will gravitate. The politians can't do anything on time unless it will get them elected and they can't do anything on budget under any circumstances.

We need a company that is ready to step up to the plate and do what everyone is saying is impossible. We need a visionary who will take a stand and promise to deliver a Lunar capable rocket for one tenth of what NASA says it will take. We need a...

Jim, I'm ready to put down a $50,000 deposit on a Red Rocket.

[casey warren]

A RED Rocket to the Red planet....thats what i'm talking about.

[IAN SUN]

The Red camera on the Red planet... I'm up for a mission to Mars.

And don't count on the government to open space. There is one single reason that there are a lot of great engineers at NASA and that is because it has been the only game in town. With the private space programs heating up, that is where the best will gravitate. The politians can't do anything on time unless it will get them elected and they can't do anything on budget under any circumstances.

We need a company that is ready to step up to the plate and do what everyone is saying is impossible. We need a visionary who will take a stand and promise to deliver a Lunar capable rocket for one tenth of what NASA says it will take. We need a...

Jim, I'm ready to put down a $50,000 deposit on a Red Rocket.

I am sooo there! I'd even take a one way ticket.

RED ONE : SpaceShipOne ?
Burt Rutan's ride (http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/)

mmmm... :nerd: :love:

[Petr Dvorak]

:w00t:

... We need a company that is ready to step up to the plate and do what everyone is saying is impossible. We need a visionary who will take a stand and promise to deliver a Lunar capable rocket for one tenth of what NASA says it will take. We need a...

Jim, I'm ready to put down a $50,000 deposit on a Red Rocket.

Jim si fulfilling his dream with RED and Elon Musk (ex PayPals largest shareholder) is also fulfilling his dream too with his project Space X ...except he goes really huge. "As of March 2006 he had invested about $100,000,000 of his personal wealth in SpaceX." :shifty:
http://www.spacex.com/dragon.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX
... except it all can easily ends with one (or two) huge spectacular blast. Hope not.
"Although Musk has stated that he could financially handle two early-launch failures, he also has said "If we have three consecutive failures […] it's not clear to me that we know what we're doing and maybe we should go out of business."

Some similarities with RED:
"...The launch crew in the Marshall Islands comprises 25 persons, with 6 in mission control. This small number of employees, when compared to other companies that produce similarly sized rockets, is part of the cost reduction that Musk is trying to achieve. He sees other rocket manufacturers as providing space-launch services at an unreasonably high price to support an unnecessary bureaucracy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
http://www.spacex.com/dragon.php

It must be really interesting experience start your own space program so young. :w00t: