Red Plug-in for CS4: update please!

[Alexandre Bouchard]

As cs4 is now available, is it possible to have an update from the Red team?

[Deanan]

We're working on the CS4 version...

[shashbugu]

question
does that mean since you never finished the cs3 version since august we now have to wait till Christmas for the version CS4?
haha! don't be mad I am just airing our frustration.
you know we have no right to complain its not like we are paying you for the good work.
just make sure it has sound/audio

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

Hmmm... I am confused, If I buy CS4 today, will Premiere handle R3D files or not?

[shashbugu]

Hmmm... I am confused, If I buy CS4 today, will Premiere handle R3D files or not?

not, the R3D plugin comes from Red.

[Deanan]

question
does that mean since you never finished the cs3 version since august we now have to wait till Christmas for the version CS4?
haha! don't be mad I am just airing our frustration.
you know we have no right to complain its not like we are paying you for the good work.
just make sure it has sound/audio

We understand your frustation and it's our frustration too. Sometimes things that are easy on the surface and for proof of concept but turning that into something usable turns into something very complicated on both sides.

[Alexandre Bouchard]

We're working on the CS4 version...

Can I hope it will come before 2009?

[shashbugu]

We understand your frustation and it's our frustration too. Sometimes things that are easy on the surface and for proof of concept but turning that into something usable turns into something very complicated on both sides.

thanks Deanan, most times when you are on a forum with Red moderators and no one is answering or giving some kind of explanatory insight it gets frustrating because speculators step in and increase our worries.

you see for us micro filmmakers the Red cam has become the real revolution, but its so incomplete with the level of geekery and uber expensive edit solutions out there.

so please keep us posted. the problem is the early PR by Abobe showing videos of the plugin in action, we had creative organisms. only to be told to chill out.

[Steve Freebairn]

... we had creative organisms. only to be told to chill out.

Hmmm, sounds dangerous, but I know what you meant :)

[Jeremy Neish]

Deanan - Can you at least give us a hint as to how it's going? Maybe a rough per cent completed?

I'm in the camp that if it's easier to just concentrate on CS4, rather than forcing it to work in CS3 too, then I say go for a CS4-only release. I'm willing to update to CS4 immediately if that means we'll get the plug-in faster.

[Gunleik Groven]

What confuses me, is that it was used for a couple of films, and the user feedback was good, and then... :) ?

[Cüneyt Kaya]

cant we just beta test it?

[AntonyCASAFilms]

As I have now received my Red and have shot some footage with it, please could someone advise what is the current recommended method of getting the footage into Premiere on the PC?

The QT codec is Mac only.
The plug-in is not yet available.
But I really don't want to have to buy a Mac!

[number6]

Just would like confirmation that there will be a CS3 version. Some of us (well, ME) cannot afford to upgrade to CS4 yet and are putting all our chips on a CS3 Adobe plug-in and workflow.

I have a world to change, People! You're holdin' things up!:spidy: :glare: :angry2:

[David Birdy]

We understand your frustation and it's our frustration too. Sometimes things that are easy on the surface and for proof of concept but turning that into something usable turns into something very complicated on both sides.


Deanan,

Thanks for your efforts & time...Please take the time you need to get it right!

Dave

[Mike Zinner]

As I have now received my Red and have shot some footage with it, please could someone advise what is the current recommended method of getting the footage into Premiere on the PC?

You might want to give Prospect 4K a try, download it from http://cineform.com/products/Downloads/Downloads.htm#DL1 That will work for 15 days and includes a R3D to Cineform avi converter.

But I warn you. You might not want to settle for something less afterward :)

[Ege Eden]

is there a date for the release?

[Gian Joon]

is there a date for the release?

There is no date for now. Not even guesstimate. I feel it might be quite far away. If it was anywhere near, RED team would definitely let us know.

[Rick Darge]

Maybe after Assimilate's contract expires we will see the plugin? I dont even know if they have a contract or if this is a political issue or a technical issue. It's just weird that Jim seemed to announce that it would be ready in a week, and now it looks like we won't see it until post 2009. And whatever happened to Apple Color supporting R3D? That was announced in April.

[Sven Seynaeve]

I definenatelly would like to hear more about the others...supporting the r3d files, which dates are set.

Everybody seemed to promise support, but we should have to know some possible dates...

[Raul Gonzo]

....now it looks like we won't see it until post 2009.

Whoa! Where did you see that?! :sad:

[Gian Joon]

Seriously man I don't have another two thousand for cineform. May be I need to go back to that crappy FCP solution. :unsure: :angry01: :usd: :huh:

[Andrew M.]

You might want to give Prospect 4K a try, download it from http://cineform.com/products/Downloads/Downloads.htm#DL1 That will work for 15 days and includes a R3D to Cineform avi converter.

But I warn you. You might not want to settle for something less afterward :)

After installing it, will it recognize R3D files and process it natively in PR?

[Deanan]

We will have a better idea about dates soon and will post them when we are confident about the state of the plugin.

The conspiracy theories are incorrect. Some things turn out to be harder than expected and require a lot of work to be releasable to thousands of people.

[Gian Joon]

We will have a better idea about dates as soon and will post them when we are confident about the state of the plugin.
.

???
:umm:

[Joseph Ward]

Does Apple FCP or Adobe PP have R3D out?

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

R3D out?


What is that?

[number6]

We will have a better idea about dates soon and will post them when we are confident about the state of the plugin.

The conspiracy theories are incorrect. Some things turn out to be harder than expected and require a lot of work to be releasable to thousands of people.

Fair enough... still would like to know that it will also work in CS3?!

[Deanan]

Fair enough... still would like to know that it will also work in CS3?!

Don't know at the moment. We need to work through some technical hurdles first.

[Joseph Ward]

What is that?

haha Red R3D files plug in.:clown2:

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

After installing it, will it recognize R3D files and process it natively in PR?

Natively as Avi or Mov files, so yes native in that sense.

If you are using the RED then having a sound post production workflow is paramount. If you use Premiere Pro and CineForm you will get an amazing performance boost and a RED workflow that works right now.

Give the P4K demo a try... it blows the shit out any other workflow for PPRO right now :gun:

[Martin Gustafsson]

I shot a music video on RED a few days back and I'll probably have to cut it in Premiere... I was expecting to upgrade to CS4 when it's released and have a working workflow but judging from this thread that won’t work? (Thought I saw RED support in Adobes official specifications!? Why did they announce it just to pull it a few days later?) So there's no point in waiting to upgrade.

How does the Prospect 4K demo work? Does the fotage get watermarked or something? If I'm able to cut the whole video in those 15 days will I have a finished product without having to buy anything? Id rather not pay $2000 for prospect 4k now if the free RED-plug is released in the near future.

How will I go about working with the RED-files in AfterEffect? I need to do a bit of VFX and grading... Will Prospect allow me to do that or is this solution only for Premiere?

I'm currently working in CS2


Please advice. ...is Prospect 4K the best way at the moment? What are my options?

[Mike Zinner]

How does the Prospect 4K demo work? Does the fotage get watermarked or something? If I'm able to cut the whole video in those 15 days will I have a finished product without having to buy anything?


That is the same way I started using CineForm. I had a specific project I needed to finish and I was sure I could do it in 15 days. So I installed the trial and finished the project with it. That worked very well and it was only after that I decided to make the investment into CineForm.

There will be no watermark or anything. You will have the fully functional software for 15 days. But beware to only install it on your main machine when you are really starting the project, so that you do not run out of time. (I first tested it on a secondary machine)


Id rather not pay $2000 for prospect 4k now if the free RED-plug is released in the near future.


The problem with that idea is that CineForm has a 2-3 year advantage in respect to integration experience with Adobe products and post workflow in general. I am curious to see what Rob and the gang can do - but to expect the same speed from a "Version 1 plugin" that can import R3D files into PR vs. CineForm RAW that has been designed with post-performance in mind and CineForm offering a full replacement of the PR playback engine - is a bit over the top if you ask me.

There is a reason CineForm can charge 2k for that and a lot of people are happy to pay, including myself.



How will I go about working with the RED-files in AfterEffect? I need to do a bit of VFX and grading... Will Prospect allow me to do that or is this solution only for Premiere?


When you install CineForm it also installs the necessary plugin for AfterEffects. If you have ActiveLink installed, you can use the AE project on the PR timeline and also open PR projects in AE. It all works seamlessly.



I'm currently working in CS2

Please advice. ...is Prospect 4K the best way at the moment? What are my options?

I personally do not see a way around CineForm if you want to use Adobe. Even if the R3D plugin will be available at some point you still will need an intermediate codec if you do serious color/effect work, and Prospect 4K also includes that as well (in addition to the CineForm RAW codec).

[AntonyCASAFilms]

I shot a music video on RED a few days back and I'll probably have to cut it in Premiere...

How does the Prospect 4K demo work? Does the fotage get watermarked or something? If I'm able to cut the whole video in those 15 days will I have a finished product without having to buy anything? Id rather not pay $2000 for prospect 4k now if the free RED-plug is released in the near future.

I'm currently working in CS2

Please advice. ...is Prospect 4K the best way at the moment? What are my options?

You are asking the same questions that I have been asking for some time now.

It is a sign of how badly organised this site is (and Red support) that it is only today that I have found out (or realised?) that I don't need to go the Cineform or plug-in route.

I think that I can read the R3D files using RedCine and then export them in a format that Premiere and After Effects can use. The only downside is a lengthy wait for them to be rendered.

Is my understanding correct?
If so, then WHY ISN'T THERE AN EASY TO FIND DOCUMENTATION OF THIS ???????????



With regard to using Cineform, I got caught out by this when HDV first came out. In Premiere 1.5 there was no support for HDV, so Adobe and Cineform brought out 1.5.1 which encoded the HDV as Cineform AVIs. So I managed to start editing OK.

But then came Premiere Pro 2, which had built-in support for HDV m2t files, but my Cineform AVIs were no longer usuable. So I had to recapture everything. What a pain that was!

i.e. If you start with Cineform, you have to stay with Cineform.


But to answer your question (AFAIK), yes if you manage to import, edit and render your footage within 15 days then you should be OK.

Hope this helps.

[AntonyCASAFilms]

I personally do not see a way around CineForm if you want to use Adobe.

Hi Mike,

I posted a question on the Cineform support board over at DVInfo, but no one has answered it yet...

Is Cineform Propect 4K compatible with CS2 or only with CS3 ?

Because the OP (like myself) is using CS2.

[Mike Zinner]

Is Cineform Propect 4K compatible with CS2 or only with CS3 ?

Because the OP (like myself) is using CS2.

The answer is Yes, please see here for a post from David Taylor. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/954866-post4.html

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

When your 15 days are up use the FREE Neo decoder and your files will still work in Premiere FOREVER.

You just will not have the realtime engine offered by Prospect 4K.

[Jay A. Kelley]

I am very happy with Cineform.. Editing is painless and easy.
Jay

[Thor Wixom]

I am managing the workflow of a feature right now, and I am utilizing Cineform.

More details to follow...

-Thor

[Martin Gustafsson]

Thor:
That sounds interesting, is this the first time you use Cineform? Please tell us how it's working out for you. Go in to as much detail as your time will allow you to ;-)



Are there any video tutorials online about the cineform+premiere+after effects workflow?

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Are there any video tutorials online about the cineform+premiere+after effects workflow?

They should be up as soon as they are approved, but yes some have been made.

Should help out a lot. :help:

[Andrew M.]

Natively as Avi or Mov files, so yes native in that sense.

If you are using the RED then having a sound post production workflow is paramount. If you use Premiere Pro and CineForm you will get an amazing performance boost and a RED workflow that works right now.

Give the P4K demo a try... it blows the shit out any other workflow for PPRO right now :gun:

So do I have to transcode RED R3D to CineForm right away to start editing or it is possible to have real time 1/2 rws (2K) editing right from the start and than at the end you do transcode?

[Martin Gustafsson]

They should be up as soon as they are approved, but yes some have been made.

Should help out a lot. :help:


Please tell us as soon as the tutorials are online. Id like to have a look before I start my 15day demo so I can get as much as possible out of the trial! ;-)

[Thor Wixom]

Gusse,

I have been a Cineform user since a few months before NAB 2008. I did a demo of the Cineform workflow at the 3ware booth to showcase their Sidecar product.

Because of that demo, I became a believer.

I am using Cineform on a feature with a budget of about 5 million. It is being produced and directed by industry veterans whose work is well known.

I will be blogging about the workflow and the technology we're using. That will begin in approximately 1-2 weeks, give or take a week. :-)

I am making full use of the 1k Express proxy feature of Cineform. The entire movie will be cut in 1k, and then re-attached to Cineform 4k RAW files toward the end, when the picture is close to lock.

The planned color correction software is Iridas, because they integrate so well with the Cineform files.

Those are all the details I am at liberty to release at this time. I will start a thread on Reduser that will correspond to my blog. I will discuss the entire workflow in great detail at that time, including naming conventions, folder structure ect.

Thanks for your interest.

-Thor

[Salem Kapic]

Please! This thread is about Red Plug-in for CS4. !!!

[Gian Joon]

Please! This thread is about Red Plug-in for CS4. !!!

Salemas, You are right about that. But Hey, wait.....
That was 4 months back.:umm: :sad:

Cinform is present. Welcome to Real world.:pirate:

[Mike Harrington]

if you want updates for the Red plug in check back every 3-4 months....cineform every 2-3 weeks