Coming Soon

[Brian D. Goff]

Prices and Specs. to be announced next week.

[Brook Willard]

Looks cool... can't wait to see more.

Sorry I had to move it so quickly... rules are rules. People will be directed to this thread from the footprint left in the RED forum.

I don't suppose asking questions about weight limits, price and specific functionality would be worth it at this point?

[Brian D. Goff]

I don't suppose asking questions about weight limits, price and specific functionality would be worth it at this point?

-The RED-configuration is limited to 30lb, but can be updated to 74lb
-9'900.- USD (if we get an exclusive US distributor, it might change a bit)
-Uses your existing RED raid, lcd and batteries

[Evin Grant]

The site says 11-76 pounds on the same spring pack. "Impressive, most impressive.... but your not a Jedi yet!"

[Evin Grant]

goffb, does your monitor have HD-SDI in? Or HDMI? Or a built in downconverter? It's important for a camera that only has these outputs.

[Brian D. Goff]

goffb, does your monitor have HD-SDI in? Or HDMI? Or a built in downconverter? It's important for a camera that only has these outputs.

You can use the RED lcd, or as an option HD-SDI monitor. The system is sold without monitor, but can be setup for any general steadicam monitor.

[Tonaci Tran]

Do you plan on bring it stateside for a preivew workshop to potential buyers? It'll be hard for people to throw down 10 grand for something they can't preview.

[Mark B.]

Why so expensive?

[casey warren]

ooo, that looks tasty. Now I have to think again about getting a Flyer. It seems like the ActionCam has more features from the specs. on the website.
Whats the estimated delivery schedule?

[Brian D. Goff]

ooo, that looks tasty. Now I have to think again about getting a Flyer. It seems like the ActionCam has more features from the specs. on the website.
Whats the estimated delivery schedule?

-the system is on stock, except the RED specific elements. But we hope to be ready with that in a few weeks.

[Brian D. Goff]

Why so expensive?

expensive?

System features:

-Sled with 2" center-post
-BACK MOUNTED VEST!
-34" boom arm that can carry up 74lb (optional)

Nothing better in this price range.

[Brian D. Goff]

Do you plan on bring it stateside for a preivew workshop to potential buyers? It'll be hard for people to throw down 10 grand for something they can't preview.

Can't say yet, depends if we find an exclusive US-distributor or not.

However, we have always offered full money-back guarantee. And the system works just like any other "steadicam" only better:)

[John Allardice]

The $9900 figure is for the whole system? Or just the sled?

[Brian D. Goff]

The $9900 figure is for the whole system? Or just the sled?

Fully loaded with BM-Vest, Sled and Arm. Monitor and battery mount you use from your RED camera. There is also an option (monitor and battery mount) that we will provide for use with other cameras for an extra 2'900.-.

[Clayton Harper]

I sold my Flyer when I saw the Red weight was creeping up.

This new project is looking pretty nice and the price is so so right.

Let's pray its not the new glidecam. :bleh:

[Ivan G]

I've been through 2 steadicams. My first glidecam V16 was horrible. The setup took way too long. I would also notice little bumps in the motion when I would walk. I got rid of that real quick with a nice loss. Then purchased the Steadicam SK2. Which is now on ebay because it is not upgradable. As much as I would love to own a steadicam I would prefer renting or hiring a fulltime operator. If it's a must you buy don't be shy spend the money for a quality stabilizer.

[Brian D. Goff]

Let's pray its not the new glidecam. :bleh:

I can assure you it's not! I'm out on the field working hard with my ActionCam - over 10 years of development and field experience are in the ActionCam. That's me a few days ago flying an Arri xtreem - maybe my last 35mm shot:devil:

[Brian D. Goff]

Pic. did'nt load, try again:

That's me a few days ago flying an Arri xtreem - maybe my last 35mm shot:)

[Chris Forbes]

Will the action cam have data ports on the sled so the RED DRIVE can be positioned at the bottom with the battery?

[Brian D. Goff]

Will the action cam have data ports on the sled so the RED DRIVE can be positioned at the bottom with the battery?

You need the RED RAIL CRADLE (battery plate & magazine adaptor). Mount that at the bottom of the Actioncam together with your RED lcd or HD monitor. The cables go straight trough the post to the camera - clean and simple:matrix:

[Chris Forbes]

That's what I wondered, fantastic.

[Priyesh P.]

Brian, you should post more pictures of your system in action, there are so few of em around.
And there are too many people who never heard of the actioncam ( I read about it right at the beginning, but never had the opportunity to see it in person - have dealt with "original" Steadicams only so far ).

How much does the "Red edition" zero-G arm weigh ? Because I like Tiffen´s G50 arm very much and that´s a light one.

Priyesh

[Brian D. Goff]

Brian, you should post more pictures of your system in action, there are so few of em around.
And there are too many people who never heard of the actioncam ( I read about it right at the beginning, but never had the opportunity to see it in person - have dealt with "original" Steadicams only so far ).

How much does the "Red edition" zero-G arm weigh ? Because I like Tiffen´s G50 arm very much and that´s a light one.

Priyesh

The "RED edition" zero-g arm is just around 10lb. So it's just as light as the g-70 (2lb more than the g-50). But you get 2" more boom than the g-70, all sealed ball-bearings on all critical joints and the ability to up-date for loads up to 76lb.

Heres two more pics: "look mom no hands!" and "boomed all up"

[Priyesh P.]

Thanks! That´s great!

Viele Grüsse aus Berlin.

[Ace]

That no hands shot is crazy.

[Petr Dvorak]

kamera droid

[dalemccready]

Nice work Brian.

Thats from an Ultra owner/modifier. that looks like a good kit.

[Brook Willard]

I love the no-hands shot.

This is a great looking piece of equipment... can't wait to give it a try. Will there be workshops to test it?

[Clint Johnson]

Brian ya rat bastard... now where the hell am I gonna come up with another $10k?

My bank likes me still, but I don't know for how much longer.

[Steve Gibby]

No worries Clint...with the interest they'll charge you, they'll always love you...

The weird thing with banks is that you have to convince them you don't need a loan in order to get one...which raise the question: If you don't need a loan why are you applying for one? Strange game isn't it...

[mikkowilson]

And the system works just like any other "steadicam" only better:)

Just a small note that "Steadicam" is a registered trademark of The Tiffen Company. 'Other' is hardly appropriate as your system is not a Steadicam, but a copy.


I highly doubt your system is any better (if as good as) the real Steadicam system.


A note to all potential aspiring stabilizer owners:
Take the time to try out as many systems as you can, and especilly any that you are considering purchasing. The vest for example is a very personal part of any stabilizer system; just because someone advertises a back mounted vest as a "will work great for everbody" system, does not mean it will work for you. Back mounted vests as designed to bypass the body's normal weight support system, and because of this must be very carefully made (normally custom made) for each operator.
Looking at the bottom of the vest bending on that no-hands shot, I'd question if it can actually safly and comftably support the weight properly.


When getting started with Steadicam (or a knock-off brand): If at all possible take a workshop. And if you can't do that, go to a tradeshow like NAB or IBC and try before you buy!

- Mikko

[Clint Johnson]

Hi Mikko,

Yes, Tiffen(tm) has to protect the Steadicam(tm) name... but you seem to be a little snippy here? It could just be that text isn't the best way to convey nuances of conversation but it just read as rather confrontational.

The Red spec Actioncam may not be up to the Clipper2 but you could console yourself by purchasing the Red Prime Set with the money you saved. Even dropping down to the Archer would still cost you twice as much as the Actioncam.

It strikes me that a lot of Steadicam operators have a tendency to be over protective of their hardware... kind of like a Sony F950 operator is when faced with the Red One.

[Priyesh P.]

The statment of Mikko sounds too biased to me, too, and I´m a really, really sceptical guy.
BTW, did you test the Actioncam, Mikko? Sounds like you had issues with it. Please share your concern because such diffuse statements like you made don´t help anyone.

[mikkowilson]

I don't belive I've used an Actioncam (I may have at a tradeshow some years ago, but I don't recall). So I can't, and I'm not, giving any performance review.

Just mearly commenting on some of the prety strong sales pitch in this thread, and noting that any descisions should be well educated, not based soley on what "looks and sounds cool". I've flown a lot of systems, that all claim to deliver the world, and many have critical flaws that you have to know what to look for.


And no, I don't work for Tiffen, blah blah, etc...


- Mikko

[Ken Willinger]

Unfortunately for Tiffen the name Steadicam has become to production like the name Kleenex has become to tissues. It's gone beyond a brand name to becoming a word that defines all products that are like it. Having owned a Steadicam product in the past and having operated other camera stabilization systems, I have yet to find one that is as good as Steadicam. It could happen...

[Priyesh P.]

I think George Paddock has achieved something really great.
But his system follows a different philosophy, like less technology, more reliability. Tiffen is more aimed into the direction of tech features.

Mikko, I didn´t aim to be rude, but let´s not forget, not everyone has the pockets to buy a Klassen Vest+G70 arm & Ultra2 Sled.
Buying equipment is and always was a balance between needs and the available budget and everyone needs to know how much testing he has to make before purchasing.
There may even ( god forbid ) be people out there who will fly their Red on Basson Steady or other "stabilizers". But it´s their own decision to do so, and those of us who have a knowledge about these things can only give them some recommendations.

[Brian D. Goff]

I highly doubt your system is any better (if as good as) the real Steadicam system.

I did not go into detail, but I was referring to the 34" boom, 76lb load and dust-protected radial ball bearings that the ActionCam "zero-g" arm features - I believe the only arm world wide with these combined benefits.



Back mounted vests as designed to bypass the body's normal weight support system, and because of this must be very carefully made (normally custom made) for each operator.

This is a design issue and our vest has been designed to be adjustable to various body sizes. You are right that this must be done carefully, that is why all curved parts of the vest have been milled out of solid blocks of "aircraft" - aluminum alloy.


Looking at the bottom of the vest bending on that no-hands shot, I'd question if it can actually safly and comftably support the weight properly.

The "bending" parts are the flexible cushioning parts of the vest and are meant to take "form" to the body.

[mikkowilson]

I look forwards to the opertunity to try out the system and see how well your unit provides those features.

Booming 76lb 34" sounds very good, provided that it's smooth and effortless from stop to stop, if you know what I mean.


Anyway, I've made my point: Know what you are buying.

- Mikko

[Evin Grant]

I propose a Steadi-Off once the Red Actioncam is ready, Mikko if you're game to come down to LA and Brian if you could ship an Actioncam our way (I could come up with insurance for you) and I'm positive Mikko could get his hands on an Archer from Tiffen here. I'll rope Gibby or another earlier res holder in (If we can't I'm sceduled to get #199 in July) and we'll make an article. I also have access to a Flyer myself so we'll really get a good multi-level, unbiased, Red specific review of each system and how it slots into the Reduser's arsenal.

[Jason Francois]

I propose a Steadi-Off once the Red Actioncam is ready, Mikko if you're game to come down to LA and Brian if you could ship an Actioncam our way (I could come up with insurance for you) and I'm positive Mikko could get his hands on an Archer from Tiffen here. I'll rope Gibby or another earlier res holder in (If we can't I'm sceduled to get #199 in July) and we'll make an article. I also have access to a Flyer myself so we'll really get a good multi-level, unbiased, Red specific review of each system and how it slots into the Reduser's arsenal.

That's what I'm talking about!!! Good idea.

[Tonaci Tran]

I propose a Steadi-Off once the Red Actioncam is ready, Mikko if you're game to come down to LA and Brian if you could ship an Actioncam our way (I could come up with insurance for you) and I'm positive Mikko could get his hands on an Archer from Tiffen here. I'll rope Gibby or another earlier res holder in (If we can't I'm sceduled to get #199 in July) and we'll make an article. I also have access to a Flyer myself so we'll really get a good multi-level, unbiased, Red specific review of each system and how it slots into the Reduser's arsenal.

Nice. I'll offer my #102 as well if needed. Just let me know.

[Shawn Nelson]

I'll rope Gibby or another earlier res holder in (If we can't I'm sceduled to get #199 in July) and we'll make an article.

Whoa, how do you know that Evin? Perhaps July before this delay of an unknown length. I'm #27 and before the delay was expecting my Red in June, but now I'm guessing July or even August, and you're probably at least a month after me.

[Brian D. Goff]

I propose a Steadi-Off once the Red Actioncam is ready, Mikko if you're game to come down to LA and Brian if you could ship an Actioncam our way (I could come up with insurance for you) and I'm positive Mikko could get his hands on an Archer from Tiffen here.

I'm arranging to bring an ActionCam to LA.

[Jason Francois]

I'm really curious to see what this thing can do.

I know there are brand-loyalists out there that hate these kind of products, but if everybody thought that way there'd be no RED camera.

I hope I can make it to LA when the time comes.

[Vladimir Eugene]

Glad to see good things in the works. #87 volunteering in for the fun. I reside in LA.

Vladimir Eugene

[Steve Gibby]

I propose a Steadi-Off once the Red Actioncam is ready, Mikko if you're game to come down to LA and Brian if you could ship an Actioncam our way (I could come up with insurance for you) and I'm positive Mikko could get his hands on an Archer from Tiffen here. I'll rope Gibby or another earlier res holder in (If we can't I'm sceduled to get #199 in July) and we'll make an article. I also have access to a Flyer myself so we'll really get a good multi-level, unbiased, Red specific review of each system and how it slots into the Reduser's arsenal.

I beat you to the punch on that. Last week I talked with Brian Goff about getting an ActionCam to test in L.A. I see Brian has confirmed that he intends to bring an ActionCam to L.A. We only have two days total to test RED #8 in L.A. so maybe we'll do the ActionCam tests on a separate 3rd day of testing.

Shawn: before the delay was announced #1-12 were given an estimated delivery date on the RED web site of "April-May", and your #27 was in a "June" timeframe. No update or estimated delivery date has been given, but IMO it won't be a lengthy delay. In view of my news above that I've already been talking to Brian Goff about L.A. access to an ActionCam for testing, and Evin being on the team for testing of my #8, Evin is correct in assuming that RED #8 will most likely be the first testing of a RED One camera on ActionCam - in fact, with the testing team and facility I've arranged, and the timeframe for the delivery of the first RED One cameras, I expect RED #8 to be the very first non-RED Team field testing of a shipping RED One camera. Testing will be done in 4k and 2k only, unless by some chance with the new board upgrade, that we are also able to test in 1080p RGB and 720p RGB. Results of those tests will be posted here, published on various web sites, and published in a magazine article I will be writing for Studio Monthly.

[Jason Francois]

I beat you to the punch on that. Last week I talked with Brian Goff about getting an ActionCam to test in L.A. I see Brian has confirmed that he intends to bring an ActionCam to L.A. We only have two days total to test RED #8 in L.A. so maybe we'll do the ActionCam tests on a separate 3rd day of testing.

Shawn: before the delay was announced #1-12 were given an estimated delivery date on the RED web site of "April-May", and your #27 was in a "June" timeframe. No update or estimated delivery date has been given, but IMO it won't be a lengthy delay. In view of my news above that I've already been talking to Brian Goff about L.A. access to an ActionCam for testing, and Evin being on the team for testing of my #8, Evin is correct in assuming that RED #8 will most likely be the first testing of a RED One camera on ActionCam - in fact, with the testing team and facility I've arranged, and the timeframe for the delivery of the first RED One cameras, I expect RED #8 to be the very first non-RED Team field testing of a shipping RED One camera. Testing will be done in 4k and 2k only, unless by some chance with the new board upgrade, that we are also able to test in 1080p RGB and 720p RGB. Results of those tests will be posted here, published on various web sites, and published in a magazine article I will be writing for Studio Monthly.


Good to know that you and Evin are involved.

I would be willing to chip in a few hundred dollars if there will be DVD or downloadable HD footage available or even better if I could come out and see first hand.

I'll keep my mouth shut....OK, that's not possible, so no deal. :)

I can't wait to hear more.

Jason

[mikkowilson]

Interesting.

Not sure how my schedule is for the later in the summer, but I'm toally game if the logistics & budget can be worked out.

Heck, I can just bring my own Archer. (We'd need a downconverter though)

Would be nice to try the Action Cam too.


- Mikko

[Brook Willard]

I can try and contact some Steadicam operators I've worked with in the past for the comparison. Additionally, I have the card of the fella who brought his Ultra2 to the RED booth at NAB [I'm sure others remember his name... his card is back on my desk at home]... I'm sure we could get in touch with him as well if need be.

[Priyesh P.]

Steve Fracol?

[Brook Willard]

Bingo.

[mikkowilson]

Yeah, Steve Fracol is the operator on who's Ultra2 RED flew on.

- Mikko

[Evin Grant]

"I's all happening!"
Says Kate Hudson in Almost Famous.