Scarlet and Epic updates...

[Jannard]

We will announce the new Scarlet and Epic programs on Thursday Nov. 13th.

I want to say that no one has any idea how incredible this announcement will be. Call this hype... please. I am quite sure that the announcement will be called a "scam". Should be a lot of fun to hear the reactions. I can't wait.

Jim

[M Olsen]

I shall be on standby.. as well as several thousand others...

[Jeff Carpenter]

I'm excited. but I shall remain patient... :P

Thanks for the heads-up on the announcement date, Jim.

[Jannard]

Jarred is buying extra server bandwidth... we will post specs and renders for people to email around. This makes the RED ONE announcement seem small by comparison.

Jim

[Andrew Walker]

Jim, I'm a big fan of your "scams".

[Scott Watts]

I cannot wait, but I will.

[Peter Mosiman]

I think I am going to pee my pants from excitement. AHHHHH!!!

[10s]

Oh sheeeeeez! .... not another scam. Geez, when will you learn Jannard?

[Steve Sherrick]

Not sure how I feel about the announcement date Jim. That's my wife's birthday, and to drop the bomb on her that I'll need to get one of these new cameras....well, could be a case of bad timing. I better have a lawyer on standby. :-)

It's going to be tough to top the Red One buzz. But you guys do have a history of raising the bar, so it wouldn't completely surprise me if you did it. In fact, I don't think I'd ever bet against you. Look forward to the announcements.

[Jannard]

Oh sheeeeeez! .... not another scam. Geez, when will you learn Jannard?

nevaaaahhh...

So, the Police came by RED today. Said we were having way too much fun. They arrested Jarred, Matt, Isaac and Groff. I escaped out the back window. I called our attorney to go bail them out. Hope they make it to work tomorrow. We have a lot to do.

Jim

[Brandon Fraley]

as I'm sure you know, the more amazing these programs, the more you're gunna have RED ONE owners pissed off that they "got the short end of the stick".

Jim, just remember that the vast majority here are EXTREMELY grateful and love everything you're doing and the direction you're taking, haters be damned :)

Keep it up!

[Buck Forester]

Give me Scarlet, OR GIVE ME DEATH! Is there any way you can bump the announcement up to Nov 5th? This will usurp our attention away from the election results. Plus I'm eager to find out if this will be my "A" or "B" camera with my EX1.

[Jonathon Laing]

Jim, your my captain planet. Captain planet he's our hero, gonna take Sony down to zero. :P






Jono

[John Wee]

Jim,
Most of the early adopters of the RED ONE already made their fortune with rental. So please, let the others get into the first batch of the Scarlet please ! I am pretty sure every one of the early adopters are already a happy clam. Time to get more new happy red customers !! :p

[Ivan G]

Jim, I have a feeling you want to spill the beans just a tad bit earlier. I say the announcement comes just a little earlier. But thats just me! :biggrin:

[Sarah C.]

Hmmm... guess I'll just have to put off buying Canon 5D Mark II long enough to see what Team Red has come up with! :red_bandana:

~Sarah

[Jannard]

Jim, I have a feeling you want to spill the beans just a tad bit earlier. I say the announcement comes just a little earlier. But thats just me! :biggrin:

I want to spill the beans sooooooooooo bad. :-)

Must stick to the plan... must stick to the plan....

Jim

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I want a Scarlet. :)

[Steve Sherrick]

Jim,
Most of the early adopters of the RED ONE already made their fortune with rental. So please, let the others get into the first batch of the Scarlet please ! I am pretty sure every one of the early adopters are already a happy clam. Time to get more new happy red customers !! :p

Jim has been very loyal to those who believed in this from the beginning. As a paid Red One customer, I am happy to have first dibs on the new cameras. I think it's an amazing gesture and should give new Red camera owners a lot of confidence in this company. They really do like their customers.

I also think that the production on Scarlets will be faster and the wait won't be like it was for Red One. I'm of course guessing here, but I think that has been indicated elsewhere.

[Ivan G]

I missed out on the first call of reservations and luckily I was fortune enough to get in the second time when I heard about the RED. I wish I was one of the first 50 but I'm happy in line. I use to preach this camera to friends that now feel like ass they didn't get in on time. O well...

I like the RED system, first come first serve.

[Esteban Sosnitsky]

I will fall for another scam this next year...
crap

[Peter Plevritis]

You could spill some of the beans.

[Jean Déraps]

Can't wait to buy into this next scam... :)

[Warren Kommers]

mmmmmust........make....... more.........money........to buy.........more........camera......ssss

[Joseph Ward]

I feel so helpless yet hopeful? This is way better than the elections! Viva Jim!!!
Why didn't you run for the US Presidency? Its not too late is it?:matrix:

[Jason Wingrove]

plans were meant to be broken :-)
any significance in the 13th?

thanks for keeping us posted
jas

[Rami Mustakim]

Working at RED must be a lot of FUN. You guys never stop.

I'm getting my Red One today and just can't sleep waiting for it...

But now I also badly want to know more about Epic and Scarlet !!!

[Jannard]

I feel so helpless yet hopeful? This is way better than the elections! Viva Jim!!!
Why didn't you run for the US Presidency? Its not too late is it?:matrix:

RED= wicked fun
Politics= not fun

Jim

[Jason Wingrove]

Hoping the Aussie / US exchange rates improve before i have to put my money down :-)

_

[zergtherobot]

lets just say the blood if flowing at an alarming rate to my outer most extremity...

I said it.

[roryhinds]

isn't the plan "there is no plan" :-)
spill the beans - free the soup

[pango]

I am quite sure that the announcement will be called a "scam".


:clown2: We are sure all glad to hear that the anouncement converges. Never liked "DMSC", but "SCAM" is a really original acronyme.

But what does it stand for? Like the gnu acronyms "GNU stands for GNU is Not Unix"? Hmmm,

"SCAM is a SCAM CAM"?

:wink:

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

RED should really release something literally called a "scam".

Just for fun. :)

[Daniel Reichenbach]

REDvolution makes allways my day!

[Steve Sherrick]

RED= wicked fun
Politics= not fun

Jim

Does this mean I shouldn't write you in on my ballot on November 4th? I'm having a hard time bringing myself to vote for either party right now. I guess I have become that disillusioned with the whole political process. All I know is the only real "change" I have seen in the past year or so is Red changing the camera industry, by making companies rethink pricing strategies and forcing them to have better price/performance ratios.

[Pawel Achtel]

How exciting! Anticipation is part of the fun, or so I'm told.

Will Sydney get the news 10 hours earlier? :clown2:

[Jannard]

Does this mean I shouldn't write you in on my ballot on November 4th? I'm having a hard time bringing myself to vote for either party right now. I guess I have become that disillusioned with the whole political process. All I know is the only real "change" I have seen in the past year or so is Red changing the camera industry, by making companies rethink pricing strategies and forcing them to have better price/performance ratios.

I think it is about time that someone is elected that can solve problems in a new way. I don't see that candidate on the ballot.

Jim

[Shawn Nelson]

Jim...come now, an announcement that makes Red One seem small? How can that be?? :-)

[Steve Sherrick]

I think it is about time that someone is elected that can solve problems in a new way. I don't see that candidate on the ballot.

Jim

So very true, and unfortunate.

But back on track...

Countdown to November 13th!

[Jannard]

Jim...come now, an announcement that makes Red One seem small? How can that be?? :-)

Shawn... we have set our sights high and have learned a lot in the past month or so. We aim to make you proud of your belief in RED. This is the biggest, most exciting and incredible thing I have ever been involved in. Really great stuff. I am confident that you will be pleased. :-)

Jim

[Priyesh P.]

I am quite sure that the announcement will be called a "scam". Should be a lot of fun to hear the reactions. I can't wait.

Jim

Someone has to tell you, sir. You are the meanest CEO on the internet of any camera company...ok, I bet you`re the only one. Nonetheless. You`re mean!!!

[jnavickas]

My insomnia is going to be totally out of control now...Visions of Scarlet dancing in my head...

[Harrison Diamond]

Jim, I'm sure whatever you are trying so hard to keep in will revolutionize everything again. I just hope I can get my grubby little hands on it and use it to keep my department at the school paper on the cutting edge. And get my hopeful future career started. It's because of you that someone like me will have access to the tools to make a film that can go as far as my abilities and vision are able to go.

[Peter Plevritis]

Will it then become clearer how having a Red One will be a bonus to these new camera systems?

Pete

[Buck Forester]

That does it... I'm selling all my shares of AIG to buy this camera. Which means, counting my stock losses, the Scarlet will cost me $187,002.

[Jannard]

That does it... I'm selling all my shares of AIG to buy this camera. Which means, counting my stock losses, the Scarlet will cost me $187,002.

hehe... could have been worse?

Jim

[david farland]

I want to spill the beans sooooooooooo bad. :-)

Jim,
Maybe not spill the beans... but open the lid a little and let a few vapors float round.

Here, it's easy....
We all know the RedOne DR has been measured at 11.3 stops.
Now if I were to say Epic's sensor could resolve at least 12.8 stops, would I be lying?

Dave,

[dvpixl]

good news finally...

[Jared Caldwell]

I can't even begin to contain my excitement. I just hope all of my ducks are in a row when it happens! :D

[Sanjin Jukic]

Jim wrote on another pro forum:

"I am certain that everyone here will have some skepticism about the specs we release.

Please know that we can hit our targets."

So let's take seats, fasten your seat belts, because it's going to be a very exciting ride here at the forum...

[Jerrod Cordell]

lol, That's the same day Taco Bell is introducing the "Loaded Beef Nacho" to the menu, the most annoying and complicated item we have to date. (Pretty much put everything you can put on any Mexican food and dump it into a Taco Salad Bowl with chips.)

I think Red's announcement is going to be a lot more exciting.

[Brook Willard]

Color me excited.

The things I could see people getting skeptical about, in no particular order:

The resolution.
The price.
The frame rates.
The dynamic range.
The size/shape.
The delivery date.
The post support.

So if Jim says that he thinks we'll be skeptical... I'd imagine that a few of those are getting an eyebrow-raising bump. And if he says that he can deliver... I'd be inclined to believe it.

Let's see what you've got, Jim. There's still a spot on my skydiving helmet for Scarlet and my shoulder for Epic. Bring it on... :)

[Peter McCully]

Jim (Dad) , if it's as good as I think it's going to be, I promise I'll stop bothering you to borrow the car.

[Viktor SvobodaOLD]

WOW, November 13th became new christmas, sweet.

[Martin Weiss]

Should be a lot of fun to hear the reactions. I can't wait.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/8467_1225099352.jpg

I hate waiting! :)


we […] have learned a lot in the past month or so.

That explains why there have been so few posts ending in "...".


So, the Police came by RED today. Said we were having way too much fun. They arrested Jarred, Matt, Isaac and Groff. I escaped out the back window.

This is outrageous! Obviously Greæme and Justin and Amy and all the others are not having enough fun. Better work on the workplace atmosphere :clown2:

Seriously, though we just paid for our RED One (and 40% more than it would have been 2 months ago - but I am not complaining, still a steal for what we get) I am very much looking forward to the 13th, especially with it not being a Friday.

And love the idea of one of your future projects/products being literally called RED Scam!

[Ad Man]

Couple of quick questions, if you don't mind a newby asking: I'm shooting commercials in the UK on cameras like the Varicam, the Sony hdw-750p and (for lower budgets) the Canon XHA1 with 35mm adaptor. I'm shooting at 25fps, editing with Avid HD, post in After Effects and mastering at SD. My workflow (and software) is all PC. I know the Scarlet, whatever it turns out to be, will be a quantum leap in image quality over the Sony and Canon, but my questions are: will the Scarlet shoot 25fps? And will I have to buy a Mac and switch to FCP?

[Priyesh P.]

...my questions are: will the Scarlet shoot 25fps? And will I have to buy a Mac and switch to FCP?

jesus...for how long do you know about the scarlet? it`s initial specs included 120 fps continuous and 180 fps burst mode, it would really surprise me if these specs did get worse...and they`re still working on a cross plattform plugin for afx & premiere if I`m not mistaken...

[Ad Man]

jesus...for how long do you know about the scarlet? it`s initial specs included 120 fps continuous and 180 fps burst mode, it would really surprise me if these specs did get worse...and they`re still working on a cross plattform plugin for afx & premiere if I`m not mistaken...

So the answer to the last question is yes, then? I *will* have to switch to Mac and FCP?

[Jeff Coatney]

Has anyone regretted switching to a Mac and FCP? If yes, why?

[Michael Thornton]

Has anyone regretted switching to a Mac and FCP? If yes, why?

Warning, Off Topic alert....

Tek

P. S. I wish I had an FCP on Mac Pro 8 cores 10 years ago. Hehe

[Ad Man]

Not really off-topic - this is a deal breaker for me. If I have to buy a whole new system to use the Scarlet, I need to know before I buy one! Fair enough questions really.

[Michael Thornton]

Jim,

Can we update the delivery order to use as Epic and Scarlet serial numbers?

I think that would be more fair for the real early adopters of RED.

I think Serial Epic number should be based on delivery order of RED ONE.

Thanks Jim

Tek

[Michael Thornton]

Not really off-topic - this is a deal breaker for me. If I have to buy a whole new system to use the Scarlet, I need to know before I buy one! Fair enough questions really.

Valid opinion, but start a new thread for it.

If I was to wait for Avid to support the P2 cards, I would lost two years of beautiful film making.

Think about it.

RED does not and need not make your editing and finishing system for you.

I am sure it will be pretty clear on Nov. 13 any way.

If I thought like you, I would still be shooting P2.

LOL

Not a chance now.

Tek

[Pawel Achtel]

Not really off-topic - this is a deal breaker for me. If I have to buy a whole new system to use the Scarlet, I need to know before I buy one! Fair enough questions really.

It has been announced and it is expected that Scarlet will record RAW using RedCode. RedCode is already supported on both PC and its inferior, unintuitive, clunky and buggy cousin Mac :bleh:

[Mark L. Pederson]

I want to spill the beans sooooooooooo bad. :-)

Must stick to the plan... must stick to the plan....

Jim


You are "King of all Bean Spillers!" .... enjoy the foreplay ... stick to the plan ...

[Paula DiSante]

See, now this whole thread will teach me to make Red the last web site I check before I hit the hay. I would have known about this if I'd checked.

But then I wouldn't have been able to sleep! :biggrin:

[Ad Man]

It has been announced and it is expected that Scarlet will record RAW using RedCode. RedCode is already supported on both PC and its inferior, unintuitive, clunky and buggy cousin Mac

Thank you Pawel - does Avid support it? Last I heard was they were 'working on it', which could either mean it'll be ready with the release of Scarlet or it won't.

Hope you weren't being sarcastic about Macs - because I agree with you!

[Mark L. Pederson]

Ad Man - Adobe + Red has you covered - coming soon ... don't buy another computer ... buy some accessories for shooting!

[Gunleik Groven]

so... now... hm... really... right...

nov13th

[Graeme Nattress]

Jim and his scams.... When will he ever learn? :-) (When will we ever learn?)

BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.

Graeme

[Steve Connor]

Jim and his scams.... When will he ever learn? :-) (When will we ever learn?)

BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.

Graeme

Agreed - I think actually wanting to be a Politician should automatically disqualify you from the job!

[Jason Burkhimer]

Jim and his scams.... When will he ever learn? :-) (When will we ever learn?)

BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.

Graeme

You stole your idea from Gladiator!!:wink:


Will scarlet have interchangeable lenses?....just kidding, cant wait til the 13th! :ninja:

[Stephen Pruitt]

No one has asked the relevant question: Will these new announcements impact RED One owners in some way? That is, are the specification improvements about to be announced on November 13th going to enhance the RED One?

Stephen

[HD Hildebrand]

Look forward to the news. Sounds like it could be great. Though makes me wonder how the Red One won't become obsolete and how the Red One's "never become obsolete" mantra will roll out in that strategy. If Red's over-delivery on a low price point continues on the same path it has traveled to date, I'm very hopeful of being surprised once again.

[Mark L. Pederson]

No one has asked the relevant question: Will these new announcements impact RED One owners in some way? That is, are the specification improvements about to be announced on November 13th going to enhance the RED One?

Stephen

Well ... it's relevant already based on the fact that Red One owners get first strike on Scarlets before the general public and Red One owners can surrender their camera body for full credit against an Epic.

IMO you can count on THREE things -

1) you'll be blown away by the specs of both Scarlet & Epic.

2) all things are subject to CHANGE and they will CHANGE - some people like to kick and scream about what Red/Jim "promised" - but from day one Jim promised CHANGE.

3) Jim cares about his customers. If you read this forum with your eyes open, you know that. You can TRUST Red. He is not going to render you obsolete. He's gonna give you CHOICES.

As for actual upgrades to the RED ONE (beyond the free one for new audio board) - I'm not sure without specs and prices how relevant that will be IMO. I am just so confident that Epic (and Scarlet) will have so much of what Red learned inside of them - it's just going to make more sense to flip to Epic ASAP. That being said - we love our Reds and they make amazing pictures - so I guess it really comes down to what you do with your camera(s).

I buckled my seat-belt when I reserved Red One #6 & #7 ... pulled the belt a little tighter when I first met Jim - and I'm still loving the ride and anxiously awaiting the next hairpin turn ....

[Chris Parker]

i love jim's and mark's posts. they get me so damn excited.

[Stephen Pruitt]

All very true, Mark. . . but, I just copied this off the RED website:

RED RENDERS OBSOLESCENCE OBSOLETE

I just hope Jim really means what his marketing materials say.

And, yes, depending upon the pricing structure, I do plan on converting "Lewis" and "Clark" to Epic-status.

Stephen

[Lawrence Bansbach]

BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus.

[Clayton Talmon]

Oh... it's getting good now!

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus.


Marcus Aurelius. :calm:

[Stephen Pruitt]

George Washington was our Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus.

Stephen

[Mark L. Pederson]

All very true, Mark. . . but, I just copied this off the RED website:

RED RENDERS OBSOLESCENCE OBSOLETE

I just hope Jim really means what his marketing materials say.

And, yes, depending upon the pricing structure, I do plan on converting "Lewis" and "Clark" to Epic-status.

Stephen

Regardless of what Red does or doesn't do with respect to hardware upgrades to RED ONE - I feel like it's impossible to call it "obsolete" when:

a) you can get a full refund/credit towards the latest and greatest - what technology company does that? Can you turn in your 8-Core MacPro and get full credit towards the 12-core model that "might" be coming soon?

b) The RED ONE shoots a resolution far greater than HD broadcast deliverables and an image quality suitable for theatrical distribution which will be seen in forthcoming "all-RED" theatrical releases such as KNOWING and GAME.

The thing about technology is ... you can't stop it. Faster, better, cheaper. The bar raises higher and higher and it will not stop. But if you can use a tool in the current marketplace competitively - it's not obsolete.

I expect Scarlet to make people stop buying several of the competitions products, but those who own those cameras - can and will still use them to do work. So ... those Sony, Panasonic and Canon products are not really OBSOLETE - people will just stop investing in new ones. And YES, people will flood eBay - the smart ones will sell NOW.

[Bing Bailey]

we should call the next camera DSCAM :) LOL can't wait to hear what the new vision is. I'm sure jim would only be doing it if it were better than the original vision. need to keep pushing the envelope

[Stephen Pruitt]

Sorry, Mark, but that's just baloney. Please READ the doggone marketing materials below. . . which are now on the RED website:

"The RED ONE™ body – designed for flexibility and functionality. Weighing in at 10 lbs, this is a streamlined package specifically designed to maximize your shooting options. Matched with a 35mm PL lens mount, it allows you to take advantage of the world’s finest optics. Modular and upgradeable, the RED ONE™ camera is a future-proof acquisition system you can build upon. RED ONE™’s modular design means you can upgrade with us as we add new features and accessories, as well as benefitting from performance improvements with each new free firmware upgrade."

Either they mean what they say, or they are just as guilty as every other camera manufacturer. Your saying that you can trade in your RED One for an Epic at twice the price hardly makes it a "future-proof acquisition system" in my book. The fact that RED is upgrading some things for free (such as the audio section) was just part of the bargain that came along with RED funding its R&D by releasing a product before it was really ready for market.

I'm all for RED. . . we bought two of 'em. And we shot our first feature on those cameras and currently have two more features in the works. But that doesn't mean I'm going to give them a free pass.

Stephen

[konozulu]

Shawn... we have set our sights high and have learned a lot in the past month or so. We aim to make you proud of your belief in RED. This is the biggest, most exciting and incredible thing I have ever been involved in. Really great stuff. I am confident that you will be pleased. :-)

Jim

Over the weekend I had decided I would sell my D300 and upgrade to a D700. I stood at the camera counter looking at everything, trying to decide if it was worth getting rid of all of my DX Lenses etc. ALL I could think about was the possibility of a Red DSMC....it kept going over and over in my head. I turned to my wife and said "I can wait a year". I CAN wait a year to buy....but i need at LEAST a year to drool. I HOPE this is part of the announcement!! :)

BTW....i went and bought another pair of Oakleys instead.

[number6]

All very true, Mark. . . but, I just copied this off the RED website:

RED RENDERS OBSOLESCENCE OBSOLETE


Stephen

This got me to thinking about my oun cameras... as best as I can determine, in regard to price and results the only company capable of rendering my cameras obsolete is RED itself. And with the upgrade paths for R1's, the Epic may have more bells and whistles for those who ring bells and blow whistles, but I think my cameras will not produce obsolete footage until the advent of holographic TV.

It's like that ad for some phone company or another's roll over minutes where one son complains because he doesn't get the new minutes and the mother shuffles his old rollover minutes in with the new minute pile. She then asks the son feeling slighted if he can tell if the minute she is now holding up is a new one or old one? He says no.

[Remy Carter]

Last time I checked Jim offered the future option of upgrading the chip in the Red One for a price without needing to buy all new accessories and an all new camera....

[Stephen Pruitt]

That is the question, Remy. . . that is the relevant question.

Stephen

[Ethan Cooper]

I think it is about time that someone is elected that can solve problems in a new way. I don't see that candidate on the ballot.

Well said. While listening to the debates I was struck with how little difference there was between the two candidates. Sure they disagree on periferial issues, but their core philosophy seems to be the same, namely that government can and must fix everything & that their job will be to play Santa Clause for the American people and give them whatever they wish instead of spearheading meaningful initiatives (not government programs) that seek to fix some of the large underlying problems we face and not just treating the symptoms.
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[Remy Carter]

Yes it is. As I don't believe I'll need 5K for some time and would like the availability of a higher dynamic range inside the Red One.

[Christopher Nagel]

So, the Police came by RED today. Said we were having way too much fun.
Oh cool! They're making a new video for the 2nd reunion? Awesome!

They arrested Jarred, Matt, Isaac and Groff. I escaped out the back window. I called our attorney to go bail them out. Hope they make it to work tomorrow. We have a lot to do.
Oh, those Police!

Lemme know if you need bail $$ -- I've been saving up and I got it ready to send RIGHT NOW! :ninja:

Chris

[M.Halsell]

More good news! Not again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnfflRNpwKA

[Steve Sherrick]

in regards to the obsolecense question, jim has repeatedly said there will be an upgrade path for Red One. A new chip with more dynamic range and perhaps some other image enhancements has been talked about. To me, that means they are staying true to their word. If I can have a new chip popped in to my Red that makes it seem like a new camera, for a fair upgrade price, that does seem to make my camera a very viable option for the next few years. The last thing we want Red doing is stop designing new camera technology. That won't be good for anyone.

[arun]

Hope i can edit scarlet footage in new macbook pro! or sony AW note book so wht 8 core mac pro doing here?, (waiting for epic or wht?)

[Evangelos Achillopoulos]

I feel a fresh air in your words Jim...

It seems that, at the end, we have common wishes from the Santa... as if we ware kids... remember...

Yes, relive is a good thing, if you feel happy, we will also feel happy to! very soon...

Lets wait and see... I trust your sincere motivation... you are more wise now...

Creation of challenging things, many times, is happiness... I know the feeling... yes you cant wait...

[PatrickW]

Jim,
Maybe not spill the beans... but open the lid a little and let a few vapors float round.

Here, it's easy....
We all know the RedOne DR has been measured at 11.3 stops.
Now if I were to say Epic's sensor could resolve at least 12.8 stops, would I be lying?

Dave,

bean vapor? no thanks.

[number6]

bean vapor? no thanks.

But it has been discovered that THAT Hydrogen Sulfoxide smell actually may help keep the arteries open and lower blood pressure.:sick:


By the way... what ever happened to REDRAY? Will there be any mention of that on Nov 13?

[Gene Crucean]

nevaaaahhh...

So, the Police came by RED today. Said we were having way too much fun. They arrested Jarred, Matt, Isaac and Groff. I escaped out the back window. I called our attorney to go bail them out. Hope they make it to work tomorrow. We have a lot to do.

Jim

How did Message in a Bottle sound live?

[Ajit_AP]

Woohoo! I really hope this is awesome!

[James Brundige]

Well said. While listening to the debates I was struck with how little difference there was between the two candidates. Sure they disagree on periferial issues, but their core philosophy seems to be the same, namely that government can and must fix everything & that their job will be to play Santa Clause for the American people and give them whatever they wish instead of spearheading meaningful initiatives (not government programs) that seek to fix some of the large underlying problems we face and not just treating the symptoms.

If you can't figure out the difference between these two candidates, then you are as clueless as the people who elected Bush twice.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Sorry, Mark, but that's just baloney. Please READ the doggone marketing materials below. . . which are now on the RED website:

"The RED ONE™ body – designed for flexibility and functionality. Weighing in at 10 lbs, this is a streamlined package specifically designed to maximize your shooting options. Matched with a 35mm PL lens mount, it allows you to take advantage of the world’s finest optics. Modular and upgradeable, the RED ONE™ camera is a future-proof acquisition system you can build upon. RED ONE™’s modular design means you can upgrade with us as we add new features and accessories, as well as benefitting from performance improvements with each new free firmware upgrade."

Either they mean what they say, or they are just as guilty as every other camera manufacturer. Your saying that you can trade in your RED One for an Epic at twice the price hardly makes it a "future-proof acquisition system" in my book. The fact that RED is upgrading some things for free (such as the audio section) was just part of the bargain that came along with RED funding its R&D by releasing a product before it was really ready for market.

I'm all for RED. . . we bought two of 'em. And we shot our first feature on those cameras and currently have two more features in the works. But that doesn't mean I'm going to give them a free pass.

Stephen

#1 - Please READ the doggone statement below. . . which is now on the RED website:

Specifications, prices and delivery dates are subject to change. Count on it.
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone with a bad attitude.

#2 - FREE PASS? I don't understand you at all. I did NOT say that RED wasn't offering updates to the RED ONE. Last I heard - they WERE - and as far as I know they ARE. I just pointed out (my OPINION) that "Regardless of what Red does or doesn't do with respect to hardware upgrades to RED ONE - I feel like it's impossible to call it "obsolete" -

I dunno ... I guess I am not very good at making a point.

[FMG battery]

If you can't figure out the difference between these two candidates, then you are as clueless as the people who elected Bush twice.terrific one.. :ninja: :wink:

[number6]

If you can't figure out the difference between these two candidates, then you are as clueless as the people who elected Bush twice.

And if you can't see the similarities in the two candidates, maybe you are just a fanboy!:holloween:

[Ben A.]

Jim,

You would make me VERY HAPPY if you add the 3DV DeepC chipset to your cameras. This would me an amazing advancement for VFX work and would be a game changer! I have my fingers crossed.

"In recent years 3DV has been developing DeepCTM, a chipset that embodies the company's core depth sensing technology. This chipset can be fitted to work in any camera for any application, so that partners (e.g. OEMs) can use their own know-how, market reach and supply chain in the design and manufacturing of the overall camera capabilities. The chipset will be available for sale soon."

http://www.3dvsystems.com/technology/product.html

[Alex Coelho]

What time on the 13th. :biggrin:

[Júlio Taubkin]

hehehehe...

hehehehe...

hehehehe...

[Stephen Pruitt]

Mark, don't have time to argue with you any more than you have time to argue with me on these finer points of language, but I can say that I certainly expect RED to keep the explicit promises they have made to the 5000 RED One purchasers that the RED One will remain on the cutting edge of motion picture imaging technology for years to come.

Certainly, Mr. Jannard has not, to my knowledge, in any way stated that he will not honor this commitment. If I have learned anything about him over the past couple of years, it is that he tries very hard to deliver more than the customer expects. But I suspect that any time he waxes eloquent about his latest offerings, without even a single mention regarding future upgrades to the RED One offering these same advancements, many people will begin to worry. Since the money to upgrade both cameras isn't an issue in my case, it isn't a big deal to me, but I'm willing to bet that over 4000 loyal RED One customers aren't in the same economic boat. They are counting on RED One to continue to be an important part of the RED drive toward technological excellence for years to come.

Stephen

[Alexander Nikishin]

Time for another treatment of shock & awe, RED style. :holloween:

[Benni Diez]

Jim,

You would make me VERY HAPPY if you add the 3DV DeepC chipset to your cameras.
...

http://www.3dvsystems.com/technology/product.html

Doesn't exactly look like it's ready for Red's resolution. The test video of the 1,3mpx cam looks very noisy.
But if they can acquire the technology and build better chips, I'm totally in.

[Piers Cox]

Would it be possible to post instructions for the Scarlet the moment the news is released on the 13th? Many of us are going to jump straight on it when it comes out but could we at least have something to read in the mean time?
Cheers.

[KETCH ROSSi]

I want to spill the beans sooooooooooo bad. :-)

Must stick to the plan... must stick to the plan....

Jim

Jim,

even so we share the same day of birth and Gemini sign, you must have come to this world under a completely different MOON, as I would have spilled the Beans all over the place LOOONG ago:) :) can't wait to hear what you guys have done this time!!!

[Meryem Ersoz]

But I suspect that any time he waxes eloquent about his latest offerings, without even a single mention regarding future upgrades to the RED One offering these same advancements, many people will begin to worry.

You are mis-characterizing reality. He has already said (and repeated) that RED ONE will be eligible for a sensor upgrade. The form factor will not change, obviously, although it remains modular and therefore upgradeable. But it seems that they will do all they can to upgrade what it is possible to upgrade.

Making obsolescence obsolete means they did their best to make the best camera that they could and did their best to ensure that its images are future-proofed for many years to come. It means they put their best thinking AT THE TIME into the product they released without deliberately crippling it.

And continue to do so, which means free firmware upgrades, more freebies like RedRushes, sensor upgrades, free CF module upgrades. You talk about how the audio board upgrade is a fix of something that wasn't done right but are conveniently editing out the free enhancements from which we are already benefiting. Why is that?

There is a big distinction between the crippleware/trickleware model and RED's model, and that distinction is the heart of "Making obsolescence obsolete". It doesn't mean that nothing will ever change. It's a promise that they will put their best products and price points together every time. I'm sure that's why they canceled the original SCARLET and EPIC specs in the first place - to make it better in the first release, to give you more, not less of whatever it is.

Whatever "it" is -- guess we will wait and see --

[liquidigital]

And if you can't see the similarities in the two candidates, maybe you are just a fanboy!:holloween:

I'll point out the difference:

Mccain is like a DVX100... a once great camera limited by the fact that it has a small chip inside. You feel nostalgia for it, but its time has passed.

Obama is like a RED One, taking us into the future. Dynamic range gets better everyday and there is nothing on the market like it.


P.S. Palin is like the camera in my cellphone.

[Ian Laurie]

That does it... I'm selling all my shares of AIG to buy this camera. Which means, counting my stock losses, the Scarlet will cost me $187,002.
HAHAHAHAHAHA funniest comment i have EVER seen posted... sorry for your loses. Jim is it the chainsaw we talked about a while back? and why you gotta go and release its big news just as i send my brand new baby Red One out on a rental. I am gonna be going through post partem. You know i am really counting on the R1 being Very Important in this whole Epic/Scarlet thing.oh well i am sure i will enjoy the news, as i mourn the canadian dollar drop from grace.

[Dan Blanchett]

p.s. Palin is like the camera in my cellphone.

lmao

:)

[Gabe S.]

EEEE i can't wait for Scarlet!!

Patiently saving my money B)

[number6]

I'll point out the difference:

Mccain is like a DVX100... a once great camera limited by the fact that it has a small chip inside. You feel nostalgia for it, but its time has passed.

Obama is like a RED One, taking us into the future. Dynamic range gets better everyday and there is nothing on the market like it.


P.S. Palin is like the camera in my cellphone.

faaannnnnnn-boyyyyyyyy!

Are you that person I heard about in a Howard Stern interview? When he asked who you were supporting and you said Obama. Then he asked if you then agreed with his view that the surge was a good thing and that we should stay in Iraq for a long, long time?... and you said yes! And then he asked something else like "And you agree that any tax during a recession is a bad thing (or something else that McCain has said) and you said "Yes"! because you thought Obama had said it? That's you, isn't it?!

[Dominic Cochran]

Has anyone regretted switching to a Mac and FCP? If yes, why?

Never been on PC's, but we tried switching from a Mac-based Avid to FCP when Mac and Avid were "fighting" for a while and switched back within a year. It was a full blown FCP system too. So the answer to your question is sort of yes.

[Dominic Cochran]

faaannnnnnn-boyyyyyyyy!



Are you six years old?

[Brook Willard]

Ease off on the politics, gents... there's an off-topic forum for that.

[number6]

Ease off on the politics, gents... there's an off-topic forum for that.

Good point. done.

[david farland]

ladies.....ladies....Ladies!!!!

......Anyway back on topic and siphoning info outta Jim.

Jim,
You're a chicken!!!!

Dave

[liquidigital]

Ease off on the politics, gents... there's an off-topic forum for that.

Sorry Brook.

• Number6 if you'd like to continue the discussion, we can do it here:
http://mccainpalinworld.com/


Anyway, I wish I could close my eyes and wake up on Nov. 13th.

[Robb Rosenfeld]

Lemme guess Jim....Scarlet and Epic are the first models of shoes Red is going to come out with? Whoops wrong company. Started getting the Red One and the Shoe One mixed up.

Riddle me this, should I be holding off on purchasing a 5DmkII ?

[Alan Skinner]

number6,

My Daddy always said: Never argue with an idiot. People may not be able to tell the difference! :)


faaannnnnnn-boyyyyyyyy!

Are you that person I heard about in a Howard Stern interview? When he asked who you were supporting and you said Obama. Then he asked if you then agreed with his view that the surge was a good thing and that we should stay in Iraq for a long, long time?... and you said yes! And then he asked something else like "And you agree that any tax during a recession is a bad thing (or something else that McCain has said) and you said "Yes"! because you thought Obama had said it? That's you, isn't it?!

[Denis Buhot]

But I suspect that any time he waxes eloquent about his latest offerings, without even a single mention regarding future upgrades to the RED One offering these same advancements, many people will begin to worry. Since the money to upgrade both cameras isn't an issue in my case, it isn't a big deal to me, but I'm willing to bet that over 4000 loyal RED One customers aren't in the same economic boat. They are counting on RED One to continue to be an important part of the RED drive toward technological excellence for years to come.

Stephen

.. for one ! Stephen and Mark, both of you have made a point... Sure, things must change, and a sensor upgrade path has been announced, and an audio board replacement as well. But sure, returning my Red one for an Epic and for so much more money doesn't quite make it... I placed my bet on to the red one, assuming its downsides would be adressed in time... I hope this will be the case, especially regarding... a drastically reduced boot-up time and a POWER SAVING function. Hey, red people, have you given that up for good ?

[Ad Man]

Never been on PC's, but we tried switching from a Mac-based Avid to FCP when Mac and Avid were "fighting" for a while and switched back within a year. It was a full blown FCP system too. So the answer to your question is sort of yes.

What didn't you like about FCP? Interested to know - I'm an Avid guy and just don't fancy changing if I don't have to.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Thanks Jim. Will it be Wednesday 12th at midnight?

[GPSchnyder]

BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.

Graeme

You really should take a look at DC's Elseworld Story called RedSon. :-)

And If you know what I mean your so GEEK :umm:

:gun:

[Damien Molineaux]

I think it is about time that someone is elected that can solve problems in a new way. I don't see that candidate on the ballot.

Jim

Yes, however it seems to me like one of the two holds a lot more promise than the other...

Cheers,
Damien

PS Watch after the election if the dollar rises or looses value.
PPS The world is watching...

[Paul Hazlett]

I for one am sick of vague promises and fancifull words of how great this vaporware is!!!!!


(think thats enough to piss Jim off enough to spill some beans early?)

[Reinhart]

BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.

Graeme

We tried that a few elections back...Ross Perot. All that candidacy accomplished was getting Clinton elected.

[Steve Sherrick]

.. for one ! Stephen and Mark, both of you have made a point... Sure, things must change, and a sensor upgrade path has been announced, and an audio board replacement as well. But sure, returning my Red one for an Epic and for so much more money doesn't quite make it... I placed my bet on to the red one, assuming its downsides would be adressed in time... I hope this will be the case, especially regarding... a drastically reduced boot-up time and a POWER SAVING function. Hey, red people, have you given that up for good ?

Okay, maybe we should address Red One's weak points and once we agree on those we can agree or disagree whether Red has made an effort to provide upgrades and such.

1. Boot up time. One of the main complaints of the R1. Anyone remember how long it took to boot up at the beginning? I'd say they have made some progress. I'd rather have 2 second boot up time. But if it's physically impossible for the R1 to do it in it's current design, it's possible we may never see that feature. Yeah, it's a bummer, but I'm not sending the camera back for that reason.

2. Dynamic Range. There's been many a discussion about this. Some are happy with it, others want more, and some want way more. Okay. I want more too. But, it has been measured close to what their specs said. It becomes subjective how much of that range is useable. A sensor upgrade might help this issue. If that's the case, hard to say R1 is obsolete.

3. Heat. I was one of the people that complained the fans were too loud, even in silent record mode. Firmware revisions addressed this, and the fans are very useable. I have yet to have an issue in heat that I'm aware of. Could happen I'm sure, but so far not an issue. I would welcome any improvements that could be made in this area.

4. Size. Some think the camera is too big. For run and gun, yeah it can get pretty big for throwing on your shoulder. But for features and commercials, I think it fits right in with what is expected. Nothing Red can do about the form factor of R1 at this point.

5. Audio. Yes, phantom power sucks and is an issue which Red has acknowledged. I've had very little trouble using battery powered mics or running a mixer straight in. With the new audio board, I expect to get a minimum of clean 16 bit, 48K quality audio using phantom power or line level. I know the specs are higher, but this is all I really expect from the onboard. If I get more quality than expected, well, chock up another one for R1 not being obsolete.

6. Post. Although perhaps not Red's domain, there is this little thing called an SDK which I have zero experience with so I can't speak about it. But I have heard rumblings of some not being completely happy with it. Okay, this is something that Red has said will improve and eventually R3D will be implemented more thoroughly by third party companies. If it doesn't get implemented by more post houses, then Red could fall into being a niche camera company rather than a powerhouse, easy to use format. I don't think they will let the R3D format fall into the niche category. I suspect the SDK will get stronger, more companies will tap into it, and more solutions will become available. This means R1 now has even more potential to succeed and also means that the many people awaiting Scarlet will be able to use it without tools that cost 10 times the cost of the camera or beta applications. To be honest, I am grateful that Red has provided some tools to work with in the meantime, otherwise a lot of us would have been out of luck. But this can be improved. We all know it. And it will need to be. I've heard from many potential Scarlet buyers who have said they will pass on the camera if there are no fully implemented post solutions at price points that match the Scarlet's market.

7. Accessories. Red had some issues with early versions of accessories. Annodizing processes were not great, etc. But they quickly took note and fixed this. Some still don't like some of their accessories but you have to give Red credit for providing as many of them as they did. They could have left that up to us, seeing that the camera uses a lot of cine accessories that are already available. But they wanted to give people options and offer decent prices.

8. Storage media. I think R1 still has potential here. Imagine being able to add 1TB of solid state storage to the R1. That would be amazing. Not sure it will happen, but I believe the interface was built so that new storage systems could be implemented. Red even designed a new 16GB CF card because nobody else wanted to design one that met their stringent specs.

R1 has flaws. Everyone at Red will admit that. It's their first camera. You can't expect perfection right out of the gate. What they have given R1 owners is a camera that records fantastic images. Yeah, she has some issues, but you learn to work around them until they get worked out and when they do get fixed or improved you feel like you have a new camera. This all speaks to rendering obsolescence obsolete. You can't expect that they pack an Epic(R2) in there. But I'm pretty sure Jim has committed to giving you some of Epic's power at a reasonable price so that you don't have to make the full leap if you don't want to. Jim has kept his word in my opinion. When I spoke to him at NAB after hearing about the Epic, I was concerned about the future of R1. He looked me in they eyes and said I had nothing to worry about. If I keep R1, I'll be happy with the developments still on the way. If I wanted even more, if I want everything they have learned in the past couple of years, I can simply trade in the R1 for full value and pay the difference for Epic. Not sure if everyone grasps how unorthodox this is. He could have said - sell your R1, take the money you make from selling it and use it to help pay for Epic. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have the same amount of money to put towards it.

So, everyone should be excited about the new cameras and don't get too worried about the R1. If you choose to stick with it for a couple of years before upgrading to the latest and greatest I'm sure you'll do fine with it.

[number6]

Sorry Brook.

• Number6 if you'd like to continue the discussion, we can do it here:
http://mccainpalinworld.com/

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not really that invested in either candidate (haven't made any contributions:))



Anyway, I wish I could close my eyes and wake up on Nov. 13th.

Liquidigital... we have agreement:w00t:

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

I must have Epic!

Concidering the harsh economic times, I just hope it will work with as much of my current accessories as possible so I don´t have to invest too much on top of the camera itself!

please, let it use the batteries, evf, lcd!

[Matt Moses]

Jim,

Even if the announcement IS the biggest, most incredible news to come from RED on the 13th, it can't hardly be as big as it would have been if you did not say it was going to be the biggest announcement you have made.

It's now just probably going to be awesome.... not quite the Biblical ...life changing event you have touted.

I have no money.

[Casey Green]

I want to spill the beans sooooooooooo bad. :-)

Must stick to the plan... must stick to the plan....

Jim

I'll try my best Mental Projection. ;-)

[number6]

Jim,

Even if the announcement IS the biggest, most incredible news to come from RED on the 13th,....

I have no money.

No worries, mate. I 'ave it on good authority that when Jim sold Oakley 'e put all 'is gotten gains into derivatives. Now 'e's a trillionaire. And to show 'is generosity (and to make all the people who decided to buy cameras from the Godzillas instead of 'im, feel:sick: ) 'e's decided to give every RED ouner an exchange for a new Epic. And for members over on ScarletUser, 'e's gonna reward them for their patience with a new Scarlet... no charge.

Now, I could be wrong but just 'ang on to that thought until Nov. 13th. It will give you comfort until we know for sure.

[Jason Wingrove]

Jim's already said boot time will be 2 seconds!, and existing evfs / lcds etc will work with both Epic & Scarlet. Epic we know will be much smaller, and we know dynamic range will be much improved.

Scarlet was already going to be great, we were all ready to put the money down months ago, now its being redesigned to be even better and people are complaining?

_

[Hrvoje Simic]

http://www.3dvsystems.com/technology/product.html


Doesn't exactly look like it's ready for Red's resolution. The test video of the 1,3mpx cam looks very noisy.
But if they can acquire the technology and build better chips, I'm totally in.

Now try the other way around. :-)

[Chris Parker]

2 second boot up time is absolutely ridiculous. in a good way.

[Stephen Pruitt]

Steve has not had issues with heat, but, during the shooting of our feature here in Kansas last summer, we had nothing but heat problems. Every day. Both cameras were constantly overheating and we'd have to rig ice packs on top of them to keep them in operation at all.

I am not complaining about my REDs. . . I really like those beasties. . . what I DO want to make certain happens is that, as new technologies arise, the R1 is "brought up to spec," as it were, on a regular basis. At our expense, of course.

Like I said, we'll undoubtedly make the transition to Epic just as soon as #791 and #1256 get their numbers called. And, I have no doubt, we'll buy at least one Scarlet, as well.

What I would like to see in new Epic features is a seemless vehicle for 3D work that allows one camera to become the master and the second to become the slave and a cheap, clever mounting device for both cameras.

AND, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, GIVE US AN AES DIGITAL AUDIO INPUT ON THIS CAMERA! I'm tired of having to make apologies to sound techs about the audio in the RED One.

Stephen

[Cüneyt Kaya]

AND, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, GIVE US AN AES DIGITAL AUDIO INPUT ON THIS CAMERA! I'm tired of having to make apologies to sound techs about the audio in the RED One.

Stephen

i am with you on this topic.

[Mathias Seebacher]

scammers, all together!














:)

[Steve Sherrick]

Steve has not had issues with heat, but, during the shooting of our feature here in Kansas last summer, we had nothing but heat problems. Every day. Both cameras were constantly overheating and we'd have to rig ice packs on top of them to keep them in operation at all.

I am not complaining about my REDs. . . I really like those beasties. . . what I DO want to make certain happens is that, as new technologies arise, the R1 is "brought up to spec," as it were, on a regular basis. At our expense, of course.

Like I said, we'll undoubtedly make the transition to Epic just as soon as #791 and #1256 get their numbers called. And, I have no doubt, we'll buy at least one Scarlet, as well.

What I would like to see in new Epic features is a seemless vehicle for 3D work that allows one camera to become the master and the second to become the slave and a cheap, clever mounting device for both cameras.

AND, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, GIVE US AN AES DIGITAL AUDIO INPUT ON THIS CAMERA! I'm tired of having to make apologies to sound techs about the audio in the RED One.

Stephen

I don't doubt the heat problem, I just have never experienced it first hand. Stephen, how hot was it in Kansas for these shoots? I would say the hottest conditions I've had it in were about 95º. So, it's possible I just haven't exposed it to the worst heat yet and maybe I will see this problem when I do.

I don't know any camera that takes AES signal in. If there is one, I missed it along the way. I would welcome this feature if it could be implemented, but I don't think Red did anything necessarily wrong here. There are some issues with using AES, not the least of which is you have to provide good reference sync for it. I think it's probably a bit more complicated than it seems to be able to do this in camera. I'm sure not impossible.

[Alex Coelho]

Jim, how about a little teaser (screen grab) of a section of the new scarlet and epic.

[Stephen Pruitt]

Hi Steve. . .

We were shooting every day indoors in 95 to 100 degree temperatures. (And, yes, it was very unpleasant. . . I, personally, lost 27 pounds on the shoot.) And, after about an hour of shooting, we'd get the dreaded "too hot" idiot light and then have to strap a couple of ice packs on top to keep them from roasting away to nothing.

There can't be any issues with AES digital audio that are any more difficult to handle than normal synch sound. Indeed, it should be vastly easier to effectively implement, as I do so every day in my home recording studio. Since there would therefore only be one AD converter involved, the latency issues are reduced even further than usual.

Stephen

[Don King]

Add estimated/detailed information on the delivery date, please.

[fde101]

What ever happened to the RED Two?

[fde101]

Add estimated/detailed information on the delivery date, please.

Early next year.

[martinnoweck]

I don't know any camera that takes AES signal in. If there is one, I missed it along the way. I would welcome this feature if it could be implemented, but I don't think Red did anything necessarily wrong here. There are some issues with using AES, not the least of which is you have to provide good reference sync for it. I think it's probably a bit more complicated than it seems to be able to do this in camera. I'm sure not impossible.

if i remember correctly the F900R does.

regards,
martin

[Jeff Kilgroe]

What ever happened to the RED Two?

Nothing happened to it. RED two was just a figment of some peoples' imaginations.

[Sam Winzar]

What ever happened to the RED Two?

With the new audio board and everything I think we're on about RED ONE POINT FIVE at the moment.

[Joel Kaye]

Nothing happened to it. RED two was just a figment of some peoples' imaginations.

My guess is Epic will essentially be RED 2. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

[R. Schorman]

Red Two = Red One with upgraded sensor after Epic arrives.

My guess.

[Steve Sherrick]

Hi Steve. . .

We were shooting every day indoors in 95 to 100 degree temperatures. (And, yes, it was very unpleasant. . . I, personally, lost 27 pounds on the shoot.) And, after about an hour of shooting, we'd get the dreaded "too hot" idiot light and then have to strap a couple of ice packs on top to keep them from roasting away to nothing.

There can't be any issues with AES digital audio that are any more difficult to handle than normal synch sound. Indeed, it should be vastly easier to effectively implement, as I do so every day in my home recording studio. Since there would therefore only be one AD converter involved, the latency issues are reduced even further than usual.

Stephen
Interesting. And this was using the mode that keeps the fans running until you go into record correct?

You're right about AES. I've used it in my post audio work for years with Pro Tools, and my 744 has it ready and able. I was just wondering if there's something internal to the Red that it might not be easy to implement. And, I forgot about the F900R having it as someone just pointed out. We'll have to wait and see what Epic offers in this regard.

[Stephen Pruitt]

Steve. . . yeah, we were using the silent when recording mode and "high when not" mode on the fan. It just couldn't handle the heat at all. Both cameras registered heat issues, so it wasn't just an overactive temperature sensor.

I REALLY want that AES. I've got the 788T and, as you note, we are ready to rock with an AES audio cable out and then right into the RED. We can use our state-of-the-art preamps and forget the RED's audio section entirely, all the while enjoying synched sound.

How I hope they are listening.

Stephen

[David Rasberry]

if i remember correctly the F900R does.

regards,
martin

There is a new AES42 standard for direct connection of digital mics or mixers to an XLR input with phantom power where the camera would provide word clock and sync.

[Steve Sherrick]

There is a new AES42 standard for direct connection of digital mics or mixers to an XLR input with phantom power where the camera would provide word clock and sync.

Ah, that makes sense then. So, this is how they deal with word clock and sync.

[David Rasberry]

Ah, that makes sense then. So, this is how they deal with word clock and sync.

The trade off for AES42 is that a single 3 pin XLR connection provides only one channel instead of two.

[Denis Haineault]

What ever happened to the RED Two?

I'll let you in on a little secret -- it's just before RED Three :bleh:

[Chris Christensen]

2 second boot up time is absolutely ridiculous. in a good way.
Well, if they want to compete with DSLRs it's not that fantastic. Many DSLRS boot up in like 0.2 seconds.*

*Number pulled from my rear, but it shouldn't be too far off

[Tom Lowe]

Nov 13th, 2008. This will be a date looooooooooong remembered!

[Jonathon Laing]

Well, if they want to compete with DSLRs it's not that fantastic. Many DSLRS boot up in like 0.2 seconds.*

*Number pulled from my rear, but it shouldn't be too far off

And run as a Cinema Camera at the same time?

[Roberto Lequeux]

Will it be posted at midnight on the 12th?

I don't want to go to sleep if it is going up at night. :)

[Peter Mosiman]

USlatin,

Its better to assume that it will be put up during Jim's favorite time to be on the forums. Every time he posts something new, he puts it up in the very early morning. I plan on not sleeping that night. :biggrin:

[Roberto Lequeux]

USlatin,

Its better to assume that it will be put up during Jim's favorite time to be on the forums. Every time he posts something new, he puts it up in the very early morning. I plan on not sleeping that night. :biggrin:

I was thinking the same. And he never gave confirmation of the time for any of his releases before, has he? If he ever did I missed it.


BEASTIE BOYS
NO... SLEEP... TO...
CUE CRAPPY ELECTRIC GUITARS

[Cristina S]

Nov 13th, 2008. This will be a date looooooooooong remembered!Why? It's everything subject to change.

:devil:

[Jannard]

Why? It's everything subject to change.

:devil:

This date won't change... :-)

Jim

[Patrick Tresch]

C'mon! REDUSER web site is ready for the big bang!

:-)

Patrick

[Roberto Lequeux]

Planning any more tiny leaks or did you learn your lesson when we went crazy with that scarlet pic Jim? :watsup:

[Cristina S]

This date won't change... :-)

JimNor the Nov 13th 2008 specs? Will these ever be released or subject to change? :whistling: :-)

[Júlio Taubkin]

So, two weeks, huh?

Well, Fallout 3 did come out...

[R. Gonzales]

Question??

And this may have been addressed already...

But, will scarlet compete with the R1? Will Scarlet get a PL mount? Will we have to keep purchasing new parts for the R1 to separate the functionality between these two cameras considering that the cost of the R1 is almost 6 x the price of the Scarlet?

Jim?


Anyone?

Method

[Steve Sherrick]

Question??

And this may have been addressed already...

But, will scarlet compete with the R1? Will Scarlet get a PL mount? Will we have to keep purchasing new parts for the R1 to separate the functionality between these two cameras considering that the cost of the R1 is almost 6 x the price of the Scarlet?

Jim?


Anyone?

Method
I would guess no on the PL mount. Interchangeable still mounts, maybe. I suppose if there is an IMS-like mount on it, then that could mean PL possibility. Guess we have to wait and see. :whistling:

[FMG battery]

will scarlet compete with the R1?

Anyone?

Methodif by any chance jj had lost his mind.. do you think it should be good to remember him about it?..

think twice before posting such "things" okay?.. or you will have to shoot our own feet of all of us..

thx

[R. Gonzales]

FMG Battery,

These decisions have been made I am just sitting and waiting for Nov 13th. I have heard rumor... wait let me say that again RUMOR (only) Pl mount (I doubt it) but hey I had to ask. Replaceable still lens mount? MMM that's an idea.

Method

[Hugues Wisniewski]

I am quite sure that the announcement will be called a "scam".
Jim

Yes, like that bug on IMDB that says "Knowing" was shot on Red One when that was actually a Panavision camera painted in red and word to mouth started the urban legend ... Ok, I need help, now I'm posting on a fake web site :matrix:

[Jannard]

Yes, like that bug on IMDB that says "Knowing" was shot on Red One when that was actually a Panavision camera painted in red and word to mouth started the urban legend ... Ok, I need help, now I'm posting on a fake web site :matrix:

???

Knowing was Shot on RED. That's it. I'd be surprised if Panavision tried to take credit for this. It is not their style.

Jim

[Blake Gentry]

???

Knowing was Shot on RED. That's it. I'd be surprised if Panavision tried to take credit for this. It is not their style.

Jim

I think you missed the sarcasm there, Jim..

[Jannard]

I think you missed the sarcasm there, Jim..

Not surprisingly... :-)

Jim

[Hugues Wisniewski]

Not surprisingly... :-)

Jim

Oops! I thought my scam was obvious :sarcasm:
Yours was not, I still believe Santa highjacked your account and started this thread :)

The Red story is so amazing that ongoing scepticism makes me laugh. It has to do more with fear of change I guess. On November 13th, add a link to the book "Where's my cheese?", that will help the reluctant ones.
Like Skype for telecoms, Google for search engines, Tesla in automobile, the Red story proves once again that in saturated markets, there's a huge room for quality and customer experience.

Ok, I'm out of this fake thread.

[Roberto Lequeux]

A lot of people are lazy... they don't want to accept Red till they absolutely have to.

Till then they will continue telling me that Red One doesn't work and because of that they must shoot on HPX-3000's, etc... someone actually told me not a week ago, as an insult to my understanding and with with total arrogance, that R1 didn't work yet. I wanted to smack him, :angry2: lol...

Instead I basically told him that there's those who know how to use their smartphones and there are people that only have house phones. Well... that's not what I said at all... but you get the idea.

[Paul Hazlett]

The RED SMART PHONE. thats the big announcement!! wow I just realised Jim and comapny are going to put the mysterium in a phone.!!!

or maybe not. but I would buy one if it has tiny interchangable lenses.

[Roberto Lequeux]

lol... exactly, and it will shoot 1080p RAW with no rolling shutter issues! HAHAHA!!

[firstsingle]

I don't know if can sleep knowing that news about Scarlet will be announced on the 13th. Can anyone recommend any good sleep meds?

[Mitch Gross]

The Hunter S. Thompson special -- 50/50 mic of Nyquil & Scotch. It's nasty and green, but you better be in your jammies sitting on the side of the bed because you won't make it far.

[Snow R. Shai]

Yeah, we are all waiting here for the big RED scam...
Bring it on.

[GPSchnyder]

I, personally, lost 27 pounds on the shoot.)

Count me in next time. That Weightlost should be enough of pay if you get me there and have a place for me to sleep ;-)

[David Mullen ASC]

After the success of the RED ONE, I suspect most of the former skeptics are going to keep mum after the announcement of the specs for the upcoming Scarlet and Epic no matter how over-the-top they are.

Which may or may not be a good thing for RED -- afterall, sometimes it's better to generate a lot of discussion, even negative or skeptical, rather than have people take a silent wait-and-see cautious attitude.

I've been in some initial discussion with someone about a big 3D project, so I'm hoping that RED will release something suitable for 3D configurations, or even a true twin-lens 3D camera rather than cobbling two cameras together.

[Casey Green]

...I've been in some initial discussion with someone about a big 3D project, so I'm hoping that RED will release something suitable for 3D configurations, or even a true twin-lens 3D camera rather than cobbling two cameras together.

David,

Interesting. But wouldn't you always basically need to have two separate parts so that each lens axis can independently rotate and slide?

With the smaller form factor of EPIC and SCARLET, it seems they are pretty close already. Perhaps the Wi-Fi ability could be used to automate the management of file names and meta data. Also, there could be an option to make one of the Cameras a Master and the other the slave...

I'd be interested in what you have in mind for a camera system that isn't cobbled together... perhaps making the cameras smaller still and having each tethered to a single drive for capture?

[David Mullen ASC]

It just seems time for a specific 3D camera to be built rather than hire companies to help you assemble a system from F950's or SI-2K's or whatever. Something designed from the ground-up for 3D work. Yes, it would have to offer an adjustable interocular distance, etc.

[reality]

David, have you shot and 3D features or plan on shooting any?
If so can you tell us more?

[David Mullen ASC]

No I haven't shot any yet, but it seems likely that eventually I'd be doing one. One director I know has been talking about it.

[Joseph Ward]

I thought I remember RedOne was going to be made for Stereoscopic when it was still on the drawing boards?

[Jonathan Smiles]

It just seems time for a specific 3D camera to be built rather than hire companies to help you assemble a system from F950's or SI-2K's or whatever. Something designed from the ground-up for 3D work. Yes, it would have to offer an adjustable interocular distance, etc.

The interest in stereoscopic 3D is very strong from the studios, everyone knows about Avatar and there are other stereoscopic features in production.

[Eki Halkka]

I thought I remember RedOne was going to be made for Stereoscopic when it was still on the drawing boards?

I wonder if something like this would work and/or if it already exists?

http://eki.pp.fi/digivideo/Stereolens.jpg

I just came up with the idea, and made the concept drawing without pondering it too much, so it might be stupidly wrong somehow... but at first glance it seems it could work.

Anyway, this stereo lens concept has a 2:1 anamorphic lens combined with two adjustable periscopes. If i'm correct, the result should be two anamorphically squeezed images, like this (not a real stereo image, just a poor photoshop simulation):

http://eki.pp.fi/digivideo/Stereolens_sim.jpg

I guess that RED ONE with this kind of contraption would have enough resolution for decent 2K stereo images (both images would be about 2000*2000 pixels), and even Scarlet's supposed 3K would be close enough for many occasions at around 1,5K original resolution per image.

Whaddya think, is this a silly idea?

[pango]

I wonder if something like this would work and/or if it already exists?


Exists separately of anamorphic lens. You can find such things to be screwed on SLR lenses on ebay, either made in asia or, also under the GDR brand "Carl Zeiss Jena" (which implies that they have been around for many years).

Does it work? I have a doubt about the change of perspective, it is like using two opposed shift lenses.

[David Wilson]

Halsu,

I have been shooting with a Wheatstone type attachment similar to your nice drawing (sans anamorphosis) with remarkably good results.

As you point out, (shooting 4K/2:1) the contrivance yields a pair of quite clean 2Kx2K images. I've mounted an old Paramount 3D projection mirror box off the top rails and it seems to work fine. The resulting image is a bit hyper-stereo but that works well for our needs. The box we are using has built in micrometer style adjustments for toe-in which is very useful.

While the 2K is likely not quite up to spec for theatrical, it works beautifully for our purposes and is a whole lot less expensive than a second RED set-up.

I suspect I will be getting a couple of Scarlets when the time comes, but for the moment this set-up is a Godsent.

I'm away from the laboratory at the moment but will post some pictures when I get back.

David

[Benni Diez]

I wonder if something like this would work and/or if it already exists?
...

The Red wouldn't be right for this one. The minimum interocular distance in this concept depends on the lens size and therefore chip size. Also, DoF is an issue with 3d, because you have to be careful to focus on the areas where viewers most likely concentrate. A small chip/small lens camera would be better for both those reasons.

[Joseph Ward]

Whaddya think, is this a silly idea?

Silly, maybe. Would I use it absolutely! I think it would work better if the one sensor can work as two with software help.:construction: I like your pictures! :weight_lift:

[David Wilson]

The Red wouldn't be right for this one. The minimum interocular distance in this concept depends on the lens size and therefore chip size. Also, DoF is an issue with 3d, because you have to be careful to focus on the areas where viewers most likely concentrate. A small chip/small lens camera would be better for both those reasons.

Benni,

I'm actually finding that having control over the depth of field to be a quite interesting possibility for 3D work - yet another useful aesthetic tool. Changing DoF is a possibility I've never really had before with other stereo rigs I've worked with and I'm very much enjoying expolring the possibilities.

David

[THE FAB]

a long wait....

[THE FAB]

the 13th is so far...

[Benni Diez]

Benni,

I'm actually finding that having control over the depth of field to be a quite interesting possibility for 3D work - yet another useful aesthetic tool. Changing DoF is a possibility I've never really had before with other stereo rigs I've worked with and I'm very much enjoying expolring the possibilities.

David

Interesting sure! But also quite a challenge, because as a viewer as soon as you want to concentrate on something other that the objects currently in focus it gets a bit irritating.

[DanCar]

We will announce the new Scarlet and Epic programs on Thursday Nov. 13th.

I want to say that no one has any idea how incredible this announcement will be. Call this hype... please. I am quite sure that the announcement will be called a "scam". Should be a lot of fun to hear the reactions. I can't wait.

JimHi Jim, When hot new products get announced and then people have to wait a year to get them, it can be quite disappointing. Perhaps a sliding price schedule would be appropriate, where those who get the most value out of the product get the product first. For example drop the price $100 every month until production meets up with demand.

Just a thought.

Daniel

[Eki Halkka]

I have been shooting with a Wheatstone type attachment similar to your nice drawing (sans anamorphosis) with remarkably good results.

Damn, there go my royalties ;-)

but yep, it would be interesting to see your results.

[drome_mc]

Jim, please let the Scarlett still be in the same price range. If you go up a few K, you'll miss a huge slice of the market that got so excited about it in the first place.

Heck, I'd be happy with a 2K camera for $3. It's all overkill resolution for most of us at that level, anyway. 3K is still nice, though.

[caseyhayward]

Heck, I'd be happy with a 2K camera for $3. It's all overkill resolution for most of us at that level, anyway. 3K is still nice, though.


I'd be happy with an SD camera for $3 ;)

[Casey Green]

The interest in stereoscopic 3D is very strong from the studios, everyone knows about Avatar and there are other stereoscopic features in production.

The show I currently work on, "Chuck" (WB / NBC) just got done shooting a full Stereoscopic 3D Episode. Sony 950s were used and it looked fantastic on the on-set monitors.

In years past, shows have had certain scenes shot in 3D, but I believe this will be the first Network TV show to shoot an entire Episode in Stereoscopic 3D.

I believe there will be a cross promotion with the Super Bowl, and it will be only available in HD. Stay tuned to NBC's website if you are interested in finding out more.

[TallGuy]

Jim, please let the Scarlett still be in the same price range. If you go up a few K, you'll miss a huge slice of the market that got so excited about it in the first place.

I'm not sure why everybody thinks the price is going up; I'm expecting it to drop to less than $3,000. I'm guessing closer to $2,000

Not only has Jim said that the announcement is going to be so amazing that "no one has any idea how incredible" it's going to be, but he's also talked about taking the DSLR market from Canon and Nikon. Red's not going to do that with a $5,000 camera. Those companies sell HUGE quanities. And millions of those sales are for things that are much less than $5,000, including a lot of DSLRs.

Jim knows what people want and he can read the requests on this forum as well as elsewhere. He saw the unbelievable excitement generated over cameras like the D90 which shoot problem ridden video. If the Scarlet is a fixed lens, small sensor, expensive camera with manual controls, the excitement will be minimal. If it's an interchangeable lens, large sensor, relatively inexpensive camera with manual controls, then Reduser will get the 1,000,000 hits on Nov 13th and people WILL wait with baited breath for it to be released.

He's said he's going to blow our minds and change the face of the industry and I, for one, want to believe it. But to do that, you gotta' go big or go home. Blow the doors off it Jim :alien:





Introducing a new DSLR is futile. Canon and Sony and Nikon have that market cornered. Nobody is going to dislodge them.

Want to bet?

[Michael Cory]

I'm not sure why everybody thinks the price is going up; I'm expecting it to drop to less than $3,000. I'm guessing closer to $2,000

Not only has Jim said that the announcement is going to be so amazing that "no one has any idea how incredible" it's going to be, but he's also talked about taking the DSLR market from Canon and Nikon. Red's not going to do that with a $5,000 camera. Those companies sell HUGE quanities. And millions of those sales are for things that are much less than $5,000, including a lot of DSLRs.

Jim knows what people want and he can read the requests on this forum as well as elsewhere. He saw the unbelievable excitement generated over cameras like the D90 which shoot problem ridden video. If the Scarlet is a fixed lens, small sensor, expensive camera with manual controls, the excitement will be minimal. If it's an interchangeable lens, large sensor, relatively inexpensive camera with manual controls, then Reduser will get the 1,000,000 hits on Nov 13th and people WILL wait with baited breath for it to be released.

He's said he's going to blow our minds and change the face of the industry and I, for one, want to believe it. But to do that, you gotta' go big or go home. Blow the doors off it Jim :alien:


Ditto

[Michael Cory]

I would rather have the original Scarlet for a little cheaper than 3k than a pumped up version thats more expensive.

[lubomir.zvolensky]

I guess that recent not-so-easy economic and financial situation has been fully understood by Jim and Red team. Jim even posted special thread on this topic, right?

... and something tells me that marketing genius Jim will not target his mass-markets to >$5000 range in such conditions. Scarlet will be probably something else than usual "soccer-mom camcorder" format. We have seen merger between DSLRs and camcorders in form of D90 and 5DMark II which clearly shows that really BIG chips with interchangeable lens can be used to make video. He was fully expecting that and he was aware of 1080p capability of 5DMark II long before these products were released or specifications "confirmed".

does it tell us something? I don't know but I'm for sure counting seconds till Nov, 13.

[Rob Martin]

I am in "wait and see" mode.....
all the breath holding does, is cause purple faces!!
hehe
Rob

[number6]

I would rather have the original Scarlet for a little cheaper than 3k than a pumped up version thats more expensive.

Wouldn't it be cool if you could custom order your camera?That is, a bare bones version without all the bells and whistles for a reasonable price, or for those who ring and toot, a high end version to occupy the time of those obsessed with those things.

By creating modules that fit together, every price range and shooting range could be easily satisfied by grabbing parts off a shelf and assembled before shipping. Like a car company... everything from a Pinto:clown2: to a Mustang:holloween: to a Hummer:weight_lift: Order your oun engine (sensor) size and body style (compact or SUV) according to your needs and budget.

Now THAT would be revolutionary and would make Jim Jannard the Henry Ford of the camera industry. That's my take on it, anyway.

709,809...709,808...709,807... 709,806...

[Bing Bailey]

there is already a high end version of scarlet its called Red ONE

[oldphart]

Question??

And this may have been addressed already...

But, will scarlet compete with the R1? Will Scarlet get a PL mount? Will we have to keep purchasing new parts for the R1 to separate the functionality between these two cameras considering that the cost of the R1 is almost 6 x the price of the Scarlet?



And the terabyte storage system you bought two years ago, compared to the pittance you pay for a TB drive today?

New equipment will come out with specs that rival previous generation top of the line equipment at a fraction of the price. New equipment at the top of the line will outperform previous generation top of the line by a wide margin.

The unusual thing with RED is that, like a computer, you can (probably) keep upgrading it with the new technology :nerd: until only the case is left from the original.

[Steve Sherrick]

Red One will still have some advantages. Jim has stated that. That 's why I'm wondering if Scarlet gets the 4K HD mode which is not quite full frame Mysterium. Then again, maybe they have found a way to resolve true 1920x1080 in camera and it will be the most stunning 1920x1080 in any camera on the planet. These guessing games can drive one a bit mad. To be Jim sitting back watching all of us make these wild speculations must be somewhat fulfilling.

[MadamImAdam]

It used to be that the Red One had a HUGE sensor for a tiny fraction of the price the smaller-sensor guys were charging.

Today, the $17,500 Red One has a smaller sensor than a $2700 camera.

So there is only one logical step for Jim Jannard to take on Nov. 13.

He will announce that the price of the Red One is being cut to $999.

[Steve Sherrick]

It used to be that the Red One had a HUGE sensor for a tiny fraction of the price the smaller-sensor guys were charging.

Today, the $17,500 Red One has a smaller sensor than a $2700 camera.

So there is only one logical step for Jim Jannard to take on Nov. 13.

He will announce that the price of the Red One is being cut to $999.

That's pretty funny.:biggrin:

[Joseph Ward]

It used to be that the Red One had a HUGE sensor for a tiny fraction of the price the smaller-sensor guys were charging.

Today, the $17,500 Red One has a smaller sensor than a $2700 camera.

So there is only one logical step for Jim Jannard to take on Nov. 13.

He will announce that the price of the Red One is being cut to $999.

You got the price upside down. Jim will reduce the RedOnes price to $666!:devil: lol

[number6]

You got the price upside down. Jim will reduce the RedOnes price to $666!:devil: lol

Helluva price!

666,666... 666,665...666,664...666,663...

[Jonas Nyström]

It used to be that the Red One had a HUGE sensor for a tiny fraction of the price the smaller-sensor guys were charging.

Today, the $17,500 Red One has a smaller sensor than a $2700 camera.

So there is only one logical step for Jim Jannard to take on Nov. 13.

He will announce that the price of the Red One is being cut to $999.

What filmcamera has a larger sensor for $2700?

[David Birdy]

First you announce this thing called the red camera, with features like,
A Wavelet based compression Codec, a super sized CMOS block that can produce close to 4k resolution, PL mount for Cineglass, 120 frames per second, (in 2K) and all for a price under 30K....

Many called it a scam......I guess they did not take the time to get to know you!

I can't wait until 11/13/08........I'm looking forward to Red Ray, Epic & Scarlet news!

Dave

[Rudi Herbert]

Stu Maschwitz at prolost.blogspot.com has a very interesting article regarding what he feels Scarlet, and maybe even Epic, should have in terms of one particular feature that would grandly enhance the quality of the footage these cameras can produce in most cases. It is well worth a read.

I agree with him, being one of those few people that has spent years dealing with RAW images and can extract any look out of them, I feel that RAW is not for everybody. Far from it actually, and the totally unaltered look of RED images has done the camera as much good as bad, what with the ton of badly graded footage that has been posted here...

[Bing Bailey]

the new still cameras from nikon and canon have larger sensors, but they aren't really digital cinema tools. but there is nothing from stopping them making it so or putting an advanced version in an XL3/4 for canon and for nikon to get into that market

[RivaiC]

It used to be that the Red One had a HUGE sensor for a tiny fraction of the price the smaller-sensor guys were charging.

Today, the $17,500 Red One has a smaller sensor than a $2700 camera.

So there is only one logical step for Jim Jannard to take on Nov. 13.

He will announce that the price of the Red One is being cut to $999.

Interesting.....I guess we will see price drop on F900 for example to say $500...:holloween:

[MadamImAdam]

Yes. Also, Varicams will be $200, and Panasonic will pay you $10 for each HVX200 you take off their hands.

That's just how the market works.

[David Wyatt]

The problem other established camera makers have is that for years they have established certain pricing tiers to their product range that would seriously p**s off most of their customers if they suddenly introduced a Red equivalent camera. Bearing in mind that a Sony F35 is in the range of $300,000 how could they justify bringing out a camera that has a similar spec for a tiny fraction of the price? That's the beauty of Red - that they could come into the game and introduce a disruptively-priced camera for the "masses" with none of this baggage. A lot of other people had the same plan - put together a digital camera using mostly off-the-shelf components but Red is in a fairly unique business situation - with Jim Jannard being on the level of a kind of Howard Hughes [without the weirdness] / Tony Stark-type figure [ok, he doesn't really exist :)] - basically someone who's really well self-funded, motivated and knowledgeable who's just doing something he really loves and something that can be done...kind of like a mountain is there - so climb it!!

[Tom Lowe]

the question is, will Jim will be ballsy enough not to hold back technology on Scarlet that will undermine Red One?

we'll see. i personally have faith in him that he won't hold back technology for "marketing" reasons.

[Randy Wheeler]

What is the possibility of Epic being 6K instead of 5K and Scarlet being 4K instead of 3K?

Randy

[Joseph Ward]

What is the possibility of Epic being 6K instead of 5K and Scarlet being 4K instead of 3K? Randy

Anything is possible if Jim wants it.:wink:

[Graeme Nattress]

My first computer had 1K. Then I got a 16K one, then the upgrade to 48k. Bill says you don't need more than 640k, and I think I agree there.

Graeme

[Joseph Ward]

My first computer had 1K. Then I got a 16K one, then the upgrade to 48k. Bill says you don't need more than 640k, and I think I agree there.

Graeme

Memory vs Resolution?:)

[richard peterson]

What is the possibility of Epic being 6K instead of 5K and Scarlet being 4K instead of 3K?

Randy

I hope epic will have improved dynamic range, 5-6K resolution, windowed 2k @ 400 fps, software update and loose about 5lbs of weight.

[Harrison Diamond]

and loose about 5lbs of weight.

Wouldn't that mean a 1-pound Epic?
I seem to remember the original specs called for 6lbs?

[Roberto Lequeux]

the question is, will Jim will be ballsy enough not to hold back technology on Scarlet that will undermine Red One?

we'll see. i personally have faith in him that he won't hold back technology for "marketing" reasons.

I totally agree, again. Plus, IMO, it is in their marketing interest to blow the doors off everything as much as possible as fast as possible to get RED to be as established of a brand as possible, as soon as possible... lol... might sound confusing, sorry. But for the company's benefit the best thing right now would be to continue the R1 trend of stunning everyone, and to do so till Red is accepted by large production companies. To continue to twist our arm to the point where we can't help but buy their toys so that we teach ourselves how to use the stuff and the support workforce gets established. He needs to take over a piece of the big-time pie and I don't think a self made billionaire would want anything less. If anything he likely wants more than just a little piece. :)
It will take time, but to get the locomotive running and considering the funding and line of credit he must have available, he must be considering a long period of aggressive investment, a continuation of what he started... I personally see him keeping the pace for an absolute minimum of two years (that must have come up not long ago) and personally I'd guess about 5 years at least or R1 type releases... all while gradually building up the support for, and reliability of his products till they reach his creme de la creme standards.

oops... sorry about the rant. :watsup:

[Mitch Gross]

My first computer had 1K. Then I got a 16K one, then the upgrade to 48k. Bill says you don't need more than 640k, and I think I agree there.

Graeme

Graeme, you had the TRS-80? I had the exact same path!

[Mark L. Pederson]

the question is, will Jim will be ballsy enough not to hold back technology on Scarlet that will undermine Red One?

we'll see. i personally have faith in him that he won't hold back technology for "marketing" reasons.

I don't think "holding back" is exactly part of Jim's nature. It's more like ... "leaping forward" ...

[jaadgy akanni]

I don't think "holding back" is exactly part of Jim's nature. It's more like ... "leaping forward" ...

Gotta admit that the 2/3" sensor scare gave me many sleepless nights. I'm glad it was all a bad dream.

[David Rasberry]

Who says there won't be a 2/3" sensor in the mix somewhere? There is certainly nothing wrong with 2/3" sensor for a $3k price range camera.

[Priyesh P.]

Who says there won't be a 2/3" sensor in the mix somewhere?

No...I`m not hearing this...laalalalaalallalaa (puts fingers into his ears)...:usd:

[Júlio Taubkin]

Who says there won't be a 2/3" sensor in the mix somewhere? There is certainly nothing wrong with 2/3" sensor for a $3k price range camera.

With the indications that "the market have changed" weeks after the arrival of the D90 and the announcement of the 5D Mark II, we have many reasons to believe that it is very probable that Scarlet is going to merge with the DSMC. If that happens, in order to remain competitive in the DSLR market, Scarlet will have to have an increase in sensor size, so it can share optics, or at least FOV characteristics with DSLRs.

There's also a possibility that interchangeable lenses might come back to the equation, and with the intended merge with DLSRs, there's a good chance a Nikon mount would be standard, or at least an option.

Jim kept saying at Scarletuser how people didn't actually want (hard to control autofocus, hard to get focus right) interchangeable lenses or 35mm DOF in a "prosumer-like" camera (I guess the term used in the boards - maybe not by him was "soccer moms"). Nikon D90 sales are saying otherwise, maybe.

What bugs me is that if Jim offers Scarlet, a motion picture camera that can do 24fps in 2K (wich is what a Bayer 3K should be good for), and offer a 35mm sized sensor with interchangeable lenses, compatibility with most RED ONE acessories including EVF and maybe drives, it's offering something very close in fuctionality to the RED ONE itself. So we have to wonder what would the another 14,500 (maybe less, since an increase in price seems pretty reasonable) be buying us. A PL mount and some overcranking capabilities? Surely key points to be used by ASC DOPs but not enough to be bought by every independent filmaker or production company out there. And if the top ASC DOPs woud be using EPICs from now on, what would be of the RED ONE?

So it stands the chance that the major announcement would be just the same Scarlet project with better, updated specs. I wouldn't be surprised, since it would be already too much: 3K for less than 3K still sounds pretty awesome, no matter what is the sensor size or if it's got a fixed lens. But Jim himself guaranteed he'd blow our minds away. So, I guess this is what would blow my mind away.

[Matt Uhry]

With the indications that "the market have changed" weeks after the arrival of the D90 and the announcement of the 5D Mark II, we have many reasons to believe that it is very probable that Scarlet is going to merge with the DSMC. If that happens, in order to remain competitive in the DSLR market, Scarlet will have to have an increase in sensor size, so it can share optics, or at least FOV characteristics with DSLRs.

There's also a possibility that interchangeable lenses might come back to the equation, and with the intended merge with DLSRs, there's a good chance a Nikon mount would be standard, or at least an option.



I hope you are right !

Small sensors and fixed lenses have been done, I find them boring, not bad-ass in any way. ( also not really something you can call professional, more pro-sumer at best. )

Something like a 5D Mk2, except video-centric, done Red Style would be freaking amazing.

I'm sure we'll see that "DSMC" camera at some point from Red I wonder if that's what's coming on the 13th.

Matt Uhry
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[David Rasberry]

If the camera is modular, you may well have a choice of sensor size and lens mount. 2/3" w/fixed lens would be just one option.
Not all of us want the compromise of 35mm SLR lenses or the size weight and cost of a fast broad range cine zoom on a compact low cost motion picture camera. For my simple run and gun documentary style shooting, 35mm DOF is a minor consideration. A fast broad range servo zoom on a balanced modest weight chassis is much more important. I don't need or want 35mm still camera functions and the D90 and 5D have no appeal to me as movie cameras compared to the original spec Scarlet.

On the other hand if you are primarily interested in the DSMC thing, you should be able to have it your way too. 35mm sensor and Nikon/Canon mount with still camera style ergonomic attachments.

[Kyle Presley]

On the other hand if you are primarily interested in the DSMC thing, you should be able to have it your way too. 35mm sensor and Nikon/Canon mount with still camera style ergonomic attachments.

Yeah, but it's been done before. What would make the DSMC (if it still exists) revolutionary would be the above with super high resolution + a 4/3 solution, and /or a new digital format, ie 6x4.5 or 6x6 mf. Maybe I'm dreaming, but a true 6x4.5 sensor would be sick.

[Lee Jay]

Yeah, but it's been done before. What would make the DSMC (if it still exists) revolutionary would be the above with super high resolution + a 4/3 solution, and /or a new digital format, ie 6x4.5 or 6x6 mf. Maybe I'm dreaming, but a true 6x4.5 sensor would be sick.

Sick, in the nauseating sort of way. What makes the 35mm-format "special" is the impressive variety of lenses available for it, fast and slow, zooms and primes, IS and non-IS, fisheye and rectilinear, tilt-shift and standard, large and small. No other format has that flexibility in its lens systems.

[Peter Majtan]

With the indications that "the market have changed" weeks after the arrival of the D90 and the announcement of the 5D Mark II, we have many reasons to believe that it is very probable that Scarlet is going to merge with the DSMC. If that happens, in order to remain competitive in the DSLR market, Scarlet will have to have an increase in sensor size, so it can share optics, or at least FOV characteristics with DSLRs.

There's also a possibility that interchangeable lenses might come back to the equation, and with the intended merge with DLSRs, there's a good chance a Nikon mount would be standard, or at least an option.

Jim kept saying at Scarletuser how people didn't actually want (hard to control autofocus, hard to get focus right) interchangeable lenses or 35mm DOF in a "prosumer-like" camera (I guess the term used in the boards - maybe not by him was "soccer moms"). Nikon D90 sales are saying otherwise, maybe.

What bugs me is that if Jim offers Scarlet, a motion picture camera that can do 24fps in 2K (wich is what a Bayer 3K should be good for), and offer a 35mm sized sensor with interchangeable lenses, compatibility with most RED ONE acessories including EVF and maybe drives, it's offering something very close in fuctionality to the RED ONE itself. So we have to wonder what would the another 14,500 (maybe less, since an increase in price seems pretty reasonable) be buying us. A PL mount and some overcranking capabilities? Surely key points to be used by ASC DOPs but not enough to be bought by every independent filmaker or production company out there. And if the top ASC DOPs woud be using EPICs from now on, what would be of the RED ONE?

So it stands the chance that the major announcement would be just the same Scarlet project with better, updated specs. I wouldn't be surprised, since it would be already too much: 3K for less than 3K still sounds pretty awesome, no matter what is the sensor size or if it's got a fixed lens. But Jim himself guaranteed he'd blow our minds away. So, I guess this is what would blow my mind away.

With all due respect - Jim has clearly mentioned that the "market has changed" had nothing to do with either Canon or Nikon. He has made that point very clear and as far as i can tell - Jim is not in a habit of lying...

Just my two cents... :)

[Lawrence Bansbach]

Jim kept saying at Scarletuser how people didn't actually want (hard to control autofocus, hard to get focus right) interchangeable lenses or 35mm DOF in a "prosumer-like" camera (I guess the term used in the boards - maybe not by him was "soccer moms"). Nikon D90 sales are saying otherwise, maybe.
That's one interpretation. Or maybe it appeals to people primarily interested in a dSLR that can do reasonably acceptable, nominally HD (720p) video. Despite the nascent micro-4/3 market, it seems most consumers in the dSLR market want the APS-C format, so they aren't really looking for a smaller format anyway. The video's just a bonus.


What bugs me is that if Jim offers Scarlet, a motion picture camera that can do 24fps in 2K (wich is what a Bayer 3K should be good for), and offer a 35mm sized sensor with interchangeable lenses, compatibility with most RED ONE acessories including EVF and maybe drives, it's offering something very close in fuctionality to the RED ONE itself. So we have to wonder what would the another 14,500 (maybe less, since an increase in price seems pretty reasonable) be buying us. A PL mount and some overcranking capabilities?
I think that Red One's advantage over an s35-sized Scarlet with interchangeable lenses may be less than that. At 120 fps continuous and 180 fps burst, Scarlet -- at least the original Scarlet -- was projected to hold the edge in full-resolution overcranking. Plus it's start-up time is rumored to be 2 seconds versus Red One's 90 (I apologize if my info is out-of-date). Scarlet 1's dynamic range, sensitivity, and read-reset times were all supposed to be better than Red One's presently are. And even though 4k is better in some ways than 3K, it doesn't matter for probably 90% of the projects out there, which end up on DVD or Blu-ray or broadcast TV (compressed and downconverted to 720p or 1080i). A Scarlet will go places that a red One won't, and if it's s35, it'll have the same DOF.